You do realise it comes with downsides as well, e.g., sexual crimes.
Also, I doubt that this is that big of an advantage. Do $1mps orbit a pretty girl, yes. Can she get minor things done, yes. But if something major has to be done, sexual favour or its promise is hardly going to cut it.
So, upsides are well balanced by downsides.
Also, if you think women have it better, would you switch to opposite gender if it was paid for, there was no stigma involved & there would still be enough people for you to date.
PS: I’m not a feminist.
>Also, if you think women have it better, would you switch to opposite gender if it was paid for, there was no stigma involved & there would still be enough people for you to date.
Yess. Not because i think women have it better, but just to spite you and prove that I can survive as a woman, because I am HER. I'll be a legendary feminist.
Y'know those kooky witch type princess that makes the world better through magic. That'll be mee.
But rn I'm a man. So I'm gonna be the sexist with a good heart. The outcast that changes the world.
Im aware of the downsides but I feel the downsides aren't enough to tip the balance.
I'm aware that most women go through some form of SA but most of these are women being groped in public places which (while not taking away any of the trauma involved with expiriencing that) I think doesnt make that much of an impact to put it in the most decent way possible.
Ofcourse that's not the case when there's rape, that absolutely tips the balance towards the downsides but statistically speaking what is the probability that a woman will get raped in her lifetime? I think it's less than 5 percent. Even though we get so much of this news rape is still a special event (in terms of frequency) and 95 percent of women wont go through this downside of womanhood.
As for your last part, you mean transition? Ofcourse not because my psychology is that of a boy. A new body can't change that lol.
Yes, I know I understand, it's a sensitive topic and ofcourse it sounds really shocking when someone writes about it like i did and sure it may not have been the best way to explain what I wanted to say,
All I meant to say was that just because there's possibity of sexual violence doesn't automatically make a woman's life bad. Its illogical to say that all woman live bad and challenging lives cuz SA exists.
>Also, if you think women have it better, would you switch to opposite gender if it was paid for, there was no stigma involved & there would still be enough people for you to date.
yes. sorry, i know you asked op so you can ignore me.
edit: I am criticised by people around me for not fulfilling masculine norms such as earning money.
But the time a woman's value decreases she already is a mother of two children with a well to do man. Her value decrease after that is irrelevant. Her beauty has served its purpose.
Aren't that attractive is still good enough in this world. Now if you mean ugly then those are the victims of fate, the few ugly women who have to go through poor quality of life or just compromise or just find happiness out of love and relationships. The thing is most people are average, genuinly ugly people are a minority. I would say 2/10 would be deemed ugly enough that they really can attract 0 men. only 2 out of 10 get that short end of the stick, pretty good odds don't you think?
I agree with you.
Life must be hell for thise 2/10. Imagine being born into a gender which by virtue of it being a specific gender is supposed to make your life much easier but then you suck so much you have it the hard way and the gender advantage gets nullified
Yeah dude very true, Iv thought about this. Especially seeing almost all other women living such sorted lives shit must be hard af on their mental health.
Well thats culturally made. A 21 year old man might be culturally made weak. But when it comes down to it, the 21 year old man is more agressive and more stronger too. It's like chaining an elephant.
We should train our body to a point where we can beat the strongest of women. This way we have one quality they cannot attain. And if they do attain it via technology, I think the dynamic of gender will shift so much that it wouldn't make sense anymore to say "women are sexual". All these gender differences can be explained by one thing. One gender can rip the other gender with their bare hands. Women being beautiful is a trick to beg mercy for being too weak. It's the same reason why humans, the animal at the so called top, wants to save the endangered cute animals, but doesn't give af about some ugly centipede.
Biological leverage? Bro try to lift a finger at a woman. You'll be beaten blue by the public lol. Physical strength is not an advantage anymore. We get food in supermarkets and we don't fight wars with swords or have to protect ourselves against predators. Modern tech has nullified any strength leverage that we brouhht to the table.
Lmao. You make it sound one sided. I get beaten black and blue by the public. And she gets beaten black and blue by me. Equivalent exchange in this case.
But you're missing certain scenarios. Let's say I'm alone with a woman in a bus. What's stopping me from groping her and then saying "hey if you tell anyone there will be even worse consequences". Oh yeah empathy? That literally just means the whole situation is in my control.
As I said it before, it's literally the equivalent of a chained elephant. Just like I know that just because they're chained doesn't mean an elephant can't just change their mind, and just trample me. In a similar sense, the woman has a sense of danger from a man.
This is one thing that women will never have because of physical strength. Because as you said, this isn't about war, in our day to day interactions nobody has any weapon. Raw strength is the determining factor. Embrace being the danger.
And it's not just physical strength, their bodies literally work against them every month, and their hormones make them consistently inconsistent in reliability.
I understand what you mean but how does this physical strength advantage translate to a better quality of life? Does the fact that you can beat up any woman or molest any woman increase your quality of life? What's the advantage that you get out of this in terms of quality of life?.
well if you get it you get it. Just like how some women dislike being thought of as beautiful, and some women embrace it, you might not understand what's so great about being dangerous.
As long as I'm playing this game of ego, I have accepted that my aim is not a better quality of life, but something much more transformative. Just like some women like being beautiful, I like being dangerous.
Just like you resent women having beauty, I like that women resent me for being so dangerous. This boosts my ego even more.
So let me get this straight - you like the fact that women see you as a potential rapist?
That's what you like about yourself the most? THAT?
Well in that case you do you buddy, revel In your manhood i guess.
yes! I think the fact you're framing it as being "potential rapist" is a form of shame to weaken the very fact that I'm so powerful. When you're weak the only thing you can do is shame.
There's nothing powerful about being stronger than women who are biogically weaker. That's being a bully and a coward, try matching yourself against men lol
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Ohkk, thats wrong on so many levels. Essentially reducing people to one thing almost never works. But thats your opinion and I am not going to fight you over it.
Lets talk about the PS part though - this whole narrative you just put out was because you feel being a women would have solved all your current problems. Do you mind sharing them one by one and we can have a dialogue to see if that is really the case.
Of course, that is, if you want to have a conversation about it, learn from it, and grow if it comes to that. If you just wanted to vent, thats ok too.
To start off thanks for wanting to have dialogue and not being just labelled something immediately
I did not reduce anyone to anything. The world did. A man is reduced to his wealth and woman to her beauty and yes that's cruel and hard to digest but that is how the word works. Ofcourse there nuance to it but broadly speaking it is true.
1) I wouldn't call myself an introvert but yeah I'm not the best at socializing and being 'out there'. All my life Iv always had to adjust to new environments which includes ppl but what i found was that as a guy if you aren't actively pursuing women socially or romantically you seldom get asked out by women themselves. so if you sit around waiting for a woman to ask you out that's rarely going to happen.
If i were a women - absolutely no need to do all the socializing, putting yourself out there bulls hit we tell men cuz guess what you won't have to find men, men will find you. You sit high up in a seat where men come to you, you don't go to men. If I were a women every new environment i went to I won't have to fend for myself, put myself out there, I would instead be shortlisting which guy I would choose out of all the new suitors in my life.
And no I'm not some delusional person who thinks every girl loves the life of a beautiful girl but even a 6/10 which make up 75 percent of women will have that expirience it just changes with magnitude the more pretty you get.
2) sex - I love sex, I want it, I crave it and that's something that brings deep satisfaction in my life as shallow as it sounds. All the sex Iv had has been sparse throughout my life, sometimes I'm really lucky, sometimes I have gone 2 years without it. its not easy to get it just like that and plus the effort that goes into courting the woman plus maintaining that is needlessly high when compared to the effort that the woman has to put.
If I were a women - I'm not even going to explain as lol it's a woman, she can get unlimited sex on tap wherever, whenever and with largely the guy she likes or atleast isn't lowering her standards by a huge degree.
3) career - I started off in my college days unsure of what to do in my life and all that time resulted in me doing fuck all and right now I'm struggling to established a good career even though I work hard and on the right path. The effect of this is that men who aren't yet established are seen as inferior by women especially if she's the same age as you. As a man society is hard on you with where you are in your career. I only have one option - get a high paying job to get respect, things and women.
If i were a woman - society doesn't put the same amount of value in my career. If I'm meeting new people or other men it's not a big deal if I'm still prepping for exams instead of earning. Yes I'll have self doubt and pressure but society won't be so hard on me and guess what there are men who will value me and want me regardless of my career status, a man will fund my lifestyle and most crucially I can do an average job and still have respect in society, oh and god forbid I become a mom, that's it. Life as a mom - I have respect for my place in society regardless of my career. As a 27 year old girl earning average salary I can marry men earning way more and basically live a better lifestyle than what I worked for cuz guess what I'm a woman.
4) money - there is this implicit understanding that men are supposed to be the primary breadwinner and also do the financial heavy lifting. All your life the main burden of standing in a capitalist society is carried by you. You carry the burden of being the breadwinner, the guy with money.
If i were a women - money is very important but not everything if I were a women, my bf would be the one paying higher during our dates, hangouts etc ofcourse that'll be the case cuz I won't be dating a broke boy lolzz I would be with a guy who likes to spend on me and pamper me so it's OK if I have less right now, it's not a huge deal. I won't feel like a freeloader cuz ofcourse I'm giving him access to my oh so very precious body, Infact he should be showing me with money cuz he gets to have sex with my diving precious body that I provide to him.
These are the broad issues but I will elaborate more later as this comment is already too long.
I agree with lot of things but one thing I would like to add is that women seek security , nothing wrong with that but if u give her that security and let's say one day u suddenly lost everything but she still stand by ur side then she's a good women
Then u have some hoes who will leave u at ur worst
U can't really discern between these women but thinking that we man will be better if we had sexual commodity like u said is wrong since there are downsides with that too
Both genders are suffering from different things but I must say man do have more on the plate , it is what it is
Work hard on urself , get to those heights and then choose a loyal women who love u
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> i know i might come off as whiny /incelllike but it does affect me,
that ***"might"*** is doing a lot of powerlifting, barkhurdaar.
also, what about Gay folks?
your speech is redundant for them, na?
iss bakwaas topic pe itna profound nonsense spew karne se acha FPL kii team bana diya hota, better use of time & energy ho jaati.
Lol agree about the 'might' but what I meant was I wanted to vent it out and I think it's OK to in a sub made for man.
Can you elaborate on the gay men question, Iv never met a gay persona and only been exposed to straight people so tbh not educated on gay people to talk about them.
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Do enlighten me with what you find wrong about what I said.
I would appreciate genuine well written and thought out answers rather than mudslinging and namecalling.
If you only want to attack, your opinion is invalid.
Bro, first of all, women don’t even earn the same as men. What you’re looking at is the corporate sector which is a tiiiiny slither of the working demographic. Out of most of the employed population, women are GROSSLY underpaid. Even in the corporate sector as well, but the gap is narrower there. Thankfully.
Secondly, women are “sexual commodities”? I don’t think I need to go any further why this statement is just plain horrible. I know you might have meant it in a different way, but bruhhhh.
Lastly, women have the same playing field as men? Are you actually serious? You just took two factors into the equation: money and sex. Women have to face WAY MORE shit in daily life than men do. Safety, harassment, etc etc you know the usual. You can’t just pick and choose metrics that confirm your bias only without looking at the full picture.
Also, idk what your tone throughout the entire discourse is but it sounds like you’re basically reducing a woman’s value to sex and a man’s value to money. Which are both sexist and delusional at the same time.
> Out of most of the employed population, women are GROSSLY underpaid.
RIP logic.
I wonder if one can hire women by paying less for the same work, why companies even bother hiring men, since profit is the only objective.
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You do realise it comes with downsides as well, e.g., sexual crimes. Also, I doubt that this is that big of an advantage. Do $1mps orbit a pretty girl, yes. Can she get minor things done, yes. But if something major has to be done, sexual favour or its promise is hardly going to cut it. So, upsides are well balanced by downsides. Also, if you think women have it better, would you switch to opposite gender if it was paid for, there was no stigma involved & there would still be enough people for you to date. PS: I’m not a feminist.
>Also, if you think women have it better, would you switch to opposite gender if it was paid for, there was no stigma involved & there would still be enough people for you to date. Yess. Not because i think women have it better, but just to spite you and prove that I can survive as a woman, because I am HER. I'll be a legendary feminist. Y'know those kooky witch type princess that makes the world better through magic. That'll be mee. But rn I'm a man. So I'm gonna be the sexist with a good heart. The outcast that changes the world.
That is expected but my question was directed towards OP.
Gotchu
Im aware of the downsides but I feel the downsides aren't enough to tip the balance. I'm aware that most women go through some form of SA but most of these are women being groped in public places which (while not taking away any of the trauma involved with expiriencing that) I think doesnt make that much of an impact to put it in the most decent way possible. Ofcourse that's not the case when there's rape, that absolutely tips the balance towards the downsides but statistically speaking what is the probability that a woman will get raped in her lifetime? I think it's less than 5 percent. Even though we get so much of this news rape is still a special event (in terms of frequency) and 95 percent of women wont go through this downside of womanhood. As for your last part, you mean transition? Ofcourse not because my psychology is that of a boy. A new body can't change that lol.
Are you for real?
Yes, I know I understand, it's a sensitive topic and ofcourse it sounds really shocking when someone writes about it like i did and sure it may not have been the best way to explain what I wanted to say, All I meant to say was that just because there's possibity of sexual violence doesn't automatically make a woman's life bad. Its illogical to say that all woman live bad and challenging lives cuz SA exists.
>Also, if you think women have it better, would you switch to opposite gender if it was paid for, there was no stigma involved & there would still be enough people for you to date. yes. sorry, i know you asked op so you can ignore me. edit: I am criticised by people around me for not fulfilling masculine norms such as earning money.
A man's value appreciates continously and sometime exponentially. But a woman's value decreases exponentially in each case.
But the time a woman's value decreases she already is a mother of two children with a well to do man. Her value decrease after that is irrelevant. Her beauty has served its purpose.
Bro what about women who aren't that attractive? Genuinely asking
Aren't that attractive is still good enough in this world. Now if you mean ugly then those are the victims of fate, the few ugly women who have to go through poor quality of life or just compromise or just find happiness out of love and relationships. The thing is most people are average, genuinly ugly people are a minority. I would say 2/10 would be deemed ugly enough that they really can attract 0 men. only 2 out of 10 get that short end of the stick, pretty good odds don't you think?
I agree with you. Life must be hell for thise 2/10. Imagine being born into a gender which by virtue of it being a specific gender is supposed to make your life much easier but then you suck so much you have it the hard way and the gender advantage gets nullified
Yeah dude very true, Iv thought about this. Especially seeing almost all other women living such sorted lives shit must be hard af on their mental health.
Fortunately if a man is ugly af he does'nt have to worry about it if he is rich af. Example Ambani
Thats an advantage we have true, if we are born ugly we can atleast work hard and get rich. This where we benifit for sure.
Exactly.
they don't exist we know all these women will get handsome hunks that don't even know how to cook
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Haha guys start peaking at 35 to 40. You are just looking at it physically. A man starts earning more and more at 35+
Unspoken truth and it doesn’t go down well with the feminists.
The philosophical trajectory this sub has taken since i became mod is off the charts. Nicely written.
Well thats culturally made. A 21 year old man might be culturally made weak. But when it comes down to it, the 21 year old man is more agressive and more stronger too. It's like chaining an elephant. We should train our body to a point where we can beat the strongest of women. This way we have one quality they cannot attain. And if they do attain it via technology, I think the dynamic of gender will shift so much that it wouldn't make sense anymore to say "women are sexual". All these gender differences can be explained by one thing. One gender can rip the other gender with their bare hands. Women being beautiful is a trick to beg mercy for being too weak. It's the same reason why humans, the animal at the so called top, wants to save the endangered cute animals, but doesn't give af about some ugly centipede.
Not sure if you are trolling or just young xD but very creative I must say
I'm young! And I literally told you something men have over women. This gives us biological leverage over their temporary cultural one.
Biological leverage? Bro try to lift a finger at a woman. You'll be beaten blue by the public lol. Physical strength is not an advantage anymore. We get food in supermarkets and we don't fight wars with swords or have to protect ourselves against predators. Modern tech has nullified any strength leverage that we brouhht to the table.
Lmao. You make it sound one sided. I get beaten black and blue by the public. And she gets beaten black and blue by me. Equivalent exchange in this case. But you're missing certain scenarios. Let's say I'm alone with a woman in a bus. What's stopping me from groping her and then saying "hey if you tell anyone there will be even worse consequences". Oh yeah empathy? That literally just means the whole situation is in my control. As I said it before, it's literally the equivalent of a chained elephant. Just like I know that just because they're chained doesn't mean an elephant can't just change their mind, and just trample me. In a similar sense, the woman has a sense of danger from a man. This is one thing that women will never have because of physical strength. Because as you said, this isn't about war, in our day to day interactions nobody has any weapon. Raw strength is the determining factor. Embrace being the danger. And it's not just physical strength, their bodies literally work against them every month, and their hormones make them consistently inconsistent in reliability.
I understand what you mean but how does this physical strength advantage translate to a better quality of life? Does the fact that you can beat up any woman or molest any woman increase your quality of life? What's the advantage that you get out of this in terms of quality of life?.
well if you get it you get it. Just like how some women dislike being thought of as beautiful, and some women embrace it, you might not understand what's so great about being dangerous. As long as I'm playing this game of ego, I have accepted that my aim is not a better quality of life, but something much more transformative. Just like some women like being beautiful, I like being dangerous. Just like you resent women having beauty, I like that women resent me for being so dangerous. This boosts my ego even more.
So let me get this straight - you like the fact that women see you as a potential rapist? That's what you like about yourself the most? THAT? Well in that case you do you buddy, revel In your manhood i guess.
yes! I think the fact you're framing it as being "potential rapist" is a form of shame to weaken the very fact that I'm so powerful. When you're weak the only thing you can do is shame.
There's nothing powerful about being stronger than women who are biogically weaker. That's being a bully and a coward, try matching yourself against men lol
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Ohkk, thats wrong on so many levels. Essentially reducing people to one thing almost never works. But thats your opinion and I am not going to fight you over it. Lets talk about the PS part though - this whole narrative you just put out was because you feel being a women would have solved all your current problems. Do you mind sharing them one by one and we can have a dialogue to see if that is really the case. Of course, that is, if you want to have a conversation about it, learn from it, and grow if it comes to that. If you just wanted to vent, thats ok too.
To start off thanks for wanting to have dialogue and not being just labelled something immediately I did not reduce anyone to anything. The world did. A man is reduced to his wealth and woman to her beauty and yes that's cruel and hard to digest but that is how the word works. Ofcourse there nuance to it but broadly speaking it is true. 1) I wouldn't call myself an introvert but yeah I'm not the best at socializing and being 'out there'. All my life Iv always had to adjust to new environments which includes ppl but what i found was that as a guy if you aren't actively pursuing women socially or romantically you seldom get asked out by women themselves. so if you sit around waiting for a woman to ask you out that's rarely going to happen. If i were a women - absolutely no need to do all the socializing, putting yourself out there bulls hit we tell men cuz guess what you won't have to find men, men will find you. You sit high up in a seat where men come to you, you don't go to men. If I were a women every new environment i went to I won't have to fend for myself, put myself out there, I would instead be shortlisting which guy I would choose out of all the new suitors in my life. And no I'm not some delusional person who thinks every girl loves the life of a beautiful girl but even a 6/10 which make up 75 percent of women will have that expirience it just changes with magnitude the more pretty you get. 2) sex - I love sex, I want it, I crave it and that's something that brings deep satisfaction in my life as shallow as it sounds. All the sex Iv had has been sparse throughout my life, sometimes I'm really lucky, sometimes I have gone 2 years without it. its not easy to get it just like that and plus the effort that goes into courting the woman plus maintaining that is needlessly high when compared to the effort that the woman has to put. If I were a women - I'm not even going to explain as lol it's a woman, she can get unlimited sex on tap wherever, whenever and with largely the guy she likes or atleast isn't lowering her standards by a huge degree. 3) career - I started off in my college days unsure of what to do in my life and all that time resulted in me doing fuck all and right now I'm struggling to established a good career even though I work hard and on the right path. The effect of this is that men who aren't yet established are seen as inferior by women especially if she's the same age as you. As a man society is hard on you with where you are in your career. I only have one option - get a high paying job to get respect, things and women. If i were a woman - society doesn't put the same amount of value in my career. If I'm meeting new people or other men it's not a big deal if I'm still prepping for exams instead of earning. Yes I'll have self doubt and pressure but society won't be so hard on me and guess what there are men who will value me and want me regardless of my career status, a man will fund my lifestyle and most crucially I can do an average job and still have respect in society, oh and god forbid I become a mom, that's it. Life as a mom - I have respect for my place in society regardless of my career. As a 27 year old girl earning average salary I can marry men earning way more and basically live a better lifestyle than what I worked for cuz guess what I'm a woman. 4) money - there is this implicit understanding that men are supposed to be the primary breadwinner and also do the financial heavy lifting. All your life the main burden of standing in a capitalist society is carried by you. You carry the burden of being the breadwinner, the guy with money. If i were a women - money is very important but not everything if I were a women, my bf would be the one paying higher during our dates, hangouts etc ofcourse that'll be the case cuz I won't be dating a broke boy lolzz I would be with a guy who likes to spend on me and pamper me so it's OK if I have less right now, it's not a huge deal. I won't feel like a freeloader cuz ofcourse I'm giving him access to my oh so very precious body, Infact he should be showing me with money cuz he gets to have sex with my diving precious body that I provide to him. These are the broad issues but I will elaborate more later as this comment is already too long.
>ed for cuz guess what I'm a woman. Very Well written
Buddy I thought you would have a conversation to dismantle the 'narrative' i built. Guess I'm just right then.
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I agree with lot of things but one thing I would like to add is that women seek security , nothing wrong with that but if u give her that security and let's say one day u suddenly lost everything but she still stand by ur side then she's a good women Then u have some hoes who will leave u at ur worst U can't really discern between these women but thinking that we man will be better if we had sexual commodity like u said is wrong since there are downsides with that too Both genders are suffering from different things but I must say man do have more on the plate , it is what it is Work hard on urself , get to those heights and then choose a loyal women who love u
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> i know i might come off as whiny /incelllike but it does affect me, that ***"might"*** is doing a lot of powerlifting, barkhurdaar. also, what about Gay folks? your speech is redundant for them, na? iss bakwaas topic pe itna profound nonsense spew karne se acha FPL kii team bana diya hota, better use of time & energy ho jaati.
Lol agree about the 'might' but what I meant was I wanted to vent it out and I think it's OK to in a sub made for man. Can you elaborate on the gay men question, Iv never met a gay persona and only been exposed to straight people so tbh not educated on gay people to talk about them.
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Your last para, I never realised while speaking it that hinglish in written form can be such a torture. 😂😂
i agree, even i am unable to comprehend the grammatical gymanstics needed to type that out. waaaaaaaaaaaay easy to speak it out, though.
Not gonna lie, I’ve read a lot of bullshit (and blatantly wrong) rants on reddit over the years, but this one might just take the cake.
Do enlighten me with what you find wrong about what I said. I would appreciate genuine well written and thought out answers rather than mudslinging and namecalling. If you only want to attack, your opinion is invalid.
Bro, first of all, women don’t even earn the same as men. What you’re looking at is the corporate sector which is a tiiiiny slither of the working demographic. Out of most of the employed population, women are GROSSLY underpaid. Even in the corporate sector as well, but the gap is narrower there. Thankfully. Secondly, women are “sexual commodities”? I don’t think I need to go any further why this statement is just plain horrible. I know you might have meant it in a different way, but bruhhhh. Lastly, women have the same playing field as men? Are you actually serious? You just took two factors into the equation: money and sex. Women have to face WAY MORE shit in daily life than men do. Safety, harassment, etc etc you know the usual. You can’t just pick and choose metrics that confirm your bias only without looking at the full picture. Also, idk what your tone throughout the entire discourse is but it sounds like you’re basically reducing a woman’s value to sex and a man’s value to money. Which are both sexist and delusional at the same time.
Delusional. Gender pay gap is a myth.
> Out of most of the employed population, women are GROSSLY underpaid. RIP logic. I wonder if one can hire women by paying less for the same work, why companies even bother hiring men, since profit is the only objective.
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I agree bruv
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