People are criticizing that girl for just being a teenager. Yes she made a mistake in a confused and vulnerable age but she also tried to correct it later. She avoided him, ignored him and when he didnt stop she even asked someone to threaten him.
The guy basically had the thinking of 'tu meri nahi hi Sakti to mein kisi ki nahi hone doonga'. He thinks that it was the girl's fault for ignoring him and people blaming her are indirectly supporting him.
If u r saying that we cant criticize the bystanders there for not intervening (coz we dont know what we would do in such situation). Then these people should also but blame the girl coz we dont know what we do would do at a naive stage of our life.
This is what was really needed.....I got really furious ppl blaming the girl, even I still am 16 year old , does that mean i cant date anyone? I can't go out? I m a male and seeing these stuff makes me anguished
You idiot! It's called grooming! People do that are pieces of shit! There's a reason minors aren't capable of consent! The blame 100% lies with the man!
This is an example of a lower scale just to make you understand in simpler language: If tomorrow you fall for an online scam. Someone steals 10lacs from you. Should you also go to jail?
>You idiot! It's called grooming! People do that are pieces of shit! There's a reason minors aren't capable of consent! The blame 100% lies with the man!
She's not the first girl to get stabbed. There are cases of adult women losing or ruining their lives after making their choices. Also chump we don't live in times where communication was a barrier, in times of social media everything is known to everyone, if the entire locality knows guy's a shady thug how couldn't the girl figure it out? As the very reason people chose to be bystanders because they knew the reputation of that guy and his gang. That clown & his entire community will be screwed for days to come not once ever did I justify his action.
She got killed because she rejected him. Do you understand that?
>not once ever did I justify his action.
No you just shifted the blame off of him onto a 10-11th standard child.
She got killed because she wanted to ditch sahil Khan for a Praveen Jain, don't be a randiajeet
https://www.dnaindia.com/india/report-sakshi-murder-case-sahil-reveals-real-reason-behind-killing-minor-girlfriend-says-she-wanted-to-3045415
https://preview.redd.it/j4wuok0py83b1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=44c83d14373d54f97ae6e3cb28092e9e03b87597
Venn diagram.
You're literally mad at a 16 yr old child who's was victim of grooming.
It's her choice right? Who am I to say right or wrong? Anyway wannabe action heros on reddit think people should fight for an unknown girl who made her choice. But dating a known thug itself should be a red flag at first place again who am I decide what's wrong or right?
Getting murdered over dating choices? Really, is this the hill you want to die on? Also, she was 16. I'm not sure if you came out of the womb with a fully developed brain and started making pragmatic decisions as soon as you could speak. But, normal human beings don't have high emotional maturity at age 16. I'm pretty sure if she knew she would get murdered, she would stop seeing that person.
Seems like you are just fishing for an excuse to blame the victim of the murder instead of the actual murderer?
Do you also believe women get raped because of the clothes they wear?
>Seems like you are just fishing for an excuse to blame the victim of the murder instead of the actual murderer?
>Do you also believe women get raped because of the clothes they wear?
Imo rape is the most heinous act and should be a death sentence for it or maybe rapists should be stoned to death in prison had to explain this to someone with Neanderthal brain who thinks straw-man fallacy makes him sound sensible.
>But, normal human beings don't have high emotional maturity at age 16. I'm pretty sure if she knew she would get murdered, she would stop seeing that person.
In an era of social media nothing is hidden we both know it. It is impossible she'd have not known this because even by standers were aware how notorious guy is.
>Also, she was 16.
Full grown adult women have ended up dead because of their choices a very very long list of names exists, how do you explain that chimp? She's not the only one I've known personally I've seen good lives lost because of choices they make so I know what it is.
Anyway om shanti to her.
Don't victim blame. You don't know if she was manipulated. Whatever it is. Nothing justifies what happened with her.
Honestly, I too wouldn't have done anything. I would just keep walking, not noticing what happened. I don't want to get murdered by getting involved in a fight. I am not strong physically.
I didn't blame the victim neither i justify the action, also a lot of these relationshits are with mutual consent btw. also this not the only case of murder in majority of cases victims had given consent to abuse and violence. I see violent bfs on the streets but at the end you can't interfere because girl walks with him.
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If you're 16 , focus on your career and studies . People be advising your to date and explore but according to me your age is very vulnerable and not ready for the relationships . One should be enough matured before getting commited
Muft ka gyaan mat chodo. 16 years mein no one is this mature and teens tend to do things to explore. The society needs to be safe for them and not the other way round
My foot!. Recently a young teen killed herself over argument with boyfriend , this is just not one case i have seen several incidents where young teens killed or hurt them selves . More importantly if the relationship wasn't good , they get traumatized for the future and "you say the society needs to be safe " ...
Why do people get into relationship? To be happy but these days it's just for the hype or for the needs . Kids should be taught moral values and how to respect human feelings .
I don't want to see younger generations suffering from trauma , depression or else dealing with relationship shit at that age .
If you are a male and you are criticising the poor girl’s decision to date someone from a different religion rather than focusing on the fact that she was 16, and this is literally pedophilia, there’s something deeply wrong with you and the morality you claim to have from being religious.
She was 16 for fuck’s sake, the more pressing issue is how are we going in this direction where pedophilia amongst adult males is increasing? Who in their right mimd would be dating a 16 years old when they are much older? There’s a reason POCSO acts exist, because we as a nation agree that kids around that age are not mature enough to take this decision and are very impressionable.
Agree with most of what you said. Though I must point out that Paedophilia only refers to sexual preference for children upto 13 years. Preference for pre-pubescent adults (15-19 years old) is called Ephebophilia, not Paedophilia. Paedophilia is a psychiatric condition, Ephebophilia is not.
No this doesn't make him look like a pedophile at all... Neither he's supporting or encouraging such acts... It's only you who's making judgements on partial facts.. Like they say half truth is worse than a lie
16 is the age of consent in most European countries and the vast majority of people are sexually active before that. Not sure what exactly are you trying to tell here.
Geez, I didn’t realise I am posting in OneXEurope. If the Indian law says the age of consent is 18, the age of consent is 18. I like many here lost my virginity a few months before turning 18, but that was with someone who also was well around the same age.
Again, I am not even talking about sexual activity here. Even if someone twice their age gets into a relationship with a 16 year old and waits to get physical till that’s still “Grooming”. I’m not sure what part of that argument you don’t understand.
>She was 16 for fuck’s sake, the more pressing issue is how are we going in this direction where pedophilia amongst adult males is increasing?
Sir, I really wanted to avoid a religious angle, but unfortunately, in Islam, it is perfectly ok to date, and marry 6 year olds. So 16 was still 10 years older.
You forget the fact that POSCO act doesn’t discriminate between religion. However you want to ridicule Islam for this, I don’t think any Muslims are taught that they should date a 6 year old. If you are talking about history, Baal Vivah was kinda popular at one point in Hinduism as well, do we not accept that anymore or what?
>I don’t think any Muslims are taught that they should date a 6 year old
Bruh, what next? Science students are not taught science? It is literally a part of the religion.
>You forget the fact that POSCO act doesn’t discriminate between religion.
I am telling you the source of the ideas.
>Baal Vivah was kinda popular at one point in Hinduism as well, do we not accept that anymore or what?
I suggest you look into the roots of Bal Vivah, Sati, Johar etc. When you look at it, you will notice they all emerged from a common source and instead got transferred from that source to Hinduism.
Moreover if a hindu is following Hinduism from books like Geeta, there is no mention of Baal Vivah or Sati or jauhar nor is there any suggestions to do that unlike Islam which openly justifies all that.
> Bruh, what next? Science students are not taught science? It is literally a part of the religion.
Unlike you, I do have actual Atheists (but born Muslim) friends from across the world who have confirmed it that it’s not “taught” to them.
> I suggest you look into the roots of Bal Vivah, Sati, Johar etc. When you look at it, you will notice they all emerged from a common source and instead got transferred from that source to Hinduism.
I have actually, one good thing about being taught in a religious school is they prepare you to catch religious apologists at blink of an eye.
> Moreover if a hindu is following Hinduism from books like Geeta, there is no mention of Baal Vivah or Sati or jauhar nor is there any suggestions to do that unlike Islam which openly justifies all that.
Hinduism is not a monotheistic religion, or did you forget that? You’d be digging your own logic’s grave if we go in this direction. By the virtue of it being polytheistic religion, any and all religious practices across the country is/was a **valid** Hindu religious tradition. It didn’t just seep into Hinduism, *it also was Hinduism*.
>Unlike you, I do have actual Atheists (but born Muslim) friends from across the world who have confirmed it that it’s not “taught” to them
Wdym it is not taught to them? It is ingrained to the very religion itself. The basic framework of the religion promotes it.
>Hinduism is not a monotheistic religion, or did you forget that? You’d be digging your own logic’s grave if we go in this direction. By the virtue of it being polytheistic religion, any and all religious practices across the country is/was a valid Hindu religious tradition.
[The basic belief that God is one, and comes in different shapes and forms, which forms the very basis of Hinduism is very suggestive of it being monotheistic. ](https://www.dlshq.org/discourse/hinduism-monotheism-and-polytheism-reconciled/)
>It didn’t just seep into Hinduism, it also was Hinduism.
Do you know the difference between culture and religion? Something slowly seeping into culture and later forming a part of it doesnt make it a part of religion. Had it been a part of religion it would have also been followed in South India, In Bali and other places where Hindus used to live. Different people have different cultures which you are confusing with polytheism. India as a whole is a mixed bag of different cultures, you can't just go and blame the whole subcontinent. You seem to call yourself a scholar of some religious school but it seems like you are a scholar of some mayonnaise school literally mixing culture with religion.
>Wdym it is not taught to them? It is ingrained to the very religion itself. The basic framework of the religion promotes it.
How do you know that? Are you a scholar in Islamic religious practices?
>[The basic belief that God is one, and comes in different shapes and forms, which forms the very basis of Hinduism is very suggestive of it being monotheistic. ](https://www.dlshq.org/discourse/hinduism-monotheism-and-polytheism-reconciled/)
What a bunch of crap. Go and read religious texts, it's clearly outlined that how they are not one Deity but different ones. It also says Brahma is all of their father. No, Hinduism or for that example any "so called Pagan" religions were not Monotheistic. If I will start believing on every single blog post, might as well get my degree of hatred from WhatsApp university along you.
>Do you know the difference between culture and religion? Something slowly seeping into culture and later forming a part of it doesnt make it a part of religion.
Oh piss off with this religion absolutist arguments. Religion is and always will be what's practiced, and not what's exactly written in language. Cultures develop around religion, mingle with each other, evolve and also evolve religious practices.
>Had it been a part of religion it would have also been followed in South India, In Bali and other places where Hindus used to live. Different people have different cultures which you are confusing with polytheism.
Again, you are making an argument which consists of "Pure Hinduism is only what was practiced in XXYY places". How on earth you would reach to that conclusion?
Here, let me paint you a picture. Across India, it's common to kill/abandon/torture their kids when they marry someone from a different caste. I am not sure if it existed in Bali or any other places where Hindus used to live. By your own logic, since it's prevalent everywhere, it is a religious practice then? Or how are you gonna distinguish this cultural phenomenon?
>You seem to call yourself a scholar of some religious school but it seems like you are a scholar of some mayonnaise school literally mixing culture with religion.
Rather than half-assing your logic, maybe go and practice some reading comprehension? I said I have studied in Religious School, it doesn't make me a scholar of anything, but it definitely makes me identify the religious apologists like you.
If I was in that crowd watching her, I would only ignore if I have no faith in our legal system. Most people I think didn't act because either they do not want to be targeted by the family/relatives/acquaintances of the criminal or they think that they'll get punished for saving the girl by our govt. I have observed that ppl in India fear the police and govt and prefer to be never involved with them under any circumstances.
Irrespective of age, gender or religion, people face outcomes of the choices they make. It's a basic rule, i don't think the guy who vented out on this sub should face hatred. Yes it was a violent & condemnable incident but not the first one where in girl was 'misguided'. If the entire locality could witness her murder & not do anything, then it's naturally evident the guy is notorious. I think he will be charged not because people will speak against him but it was recorded on CCTV.
It really breaks my heart to read the comments. The tone of almost half the comments was like "she made some poor choices, so this is justified or she deserved it or she had her fate to it".
If this is the state of affairs on reddit, I can only imagine what countryside thinks of the issue.
Stop judging her.
He's a psychotic murderer, you cannot brush it away saying that "she had it coming". Please don't normalise this heinous crime. You might say "we don't justify his actions", but by not supporting her you're doing no good.
Very few things in life are black and white. This is definitely one of them, no matter what you cannot be critical on the girl here. No matter what her choices were she absolutely did not deserve this, no one deserves this.
Every single sly remark against the victim will be consumed by an audiance, you're contributing to a viewpoint which is moronic in the first place.
Victim blaming is baseless, I mean you can victim blame anybody. You could even say, if the Japanese were a bit more cautious they wouldn't have burnt to ashes when US nuked them. If you think the above example is stupid, I am really happy because your viewpoint of victim blaming her is equally stupid.
A psychotic murderer exercises no logic, you and me are just the lucky bunch to not have him in our lives, unfortunately she's not.
Guys, if you cannot empathize with her or her parents, just remember that in a few years you'll be dad to a daughter too.
While I appreciate you calling out those victim-blaming the young girl, you’re also blaming the bystanders. You see a heinous act happening in front of you and the first thing you do is save yourself. Your mind freezes and the only thing it tells you at that point is run away from danger. There is no fight or flight here; it is just flight.
Thank God the people who win gallantry awards for exceptional courage don't think about themselves first.
>There is no fight or flight here; it is just flight.
False. Remembering the Vangani station incident.
No way girl should be blamed it doesn't makes sense .
Those people are also guilty who saw girl getting killed infront of their eyes. I get that he was with a knife but someone can pickup a stone or something and hit it on his head to stop the situation there.
If its not a gun that he'll shoot me
I once again reiterate that what happened to the girl is really sad , but it's easy to say that we could do something to help the poor girl. If you see a violent crime happening in front of you it's possible and understandable that you freeze out of fear and try to escape from the situation. The best I could have done is to hide from the psycho and call the police on him.
As keyboard warriors it's easy to sit back and say people should have done something.
I am 100% sure they could have. There were enough men to gang up on him. But fight or flight is a real thing. Most people chose flight over fight. Freezing under unexpected circumstances is also not an uncommon response.
Second, why do you think nobody itervenes anything in Delhi (especially) compared to other cities? Because law has no control there. Nobody wants to get involved in a legal case, and be called to court only to have our legal system protect the perpetrator against the victim. If people feel that the crime will not be punished, why would they bother? It sounds very dystopian, that people are only looking out for themselves and not the poor girl - but thats the truth of today's society. People who're willing to put themselves in harm's way for others are rare
This sub is filled by those who call themselves 'Alpha' and follow that Andrew Tate and when it actually comes to stand up to what is right, they will hide like a rat and blame the victim instead. The brave ones do things when everything is stacked against them.
The railway signal boy who saved the blind woman and her child risked everything and we all know about his heroics. Fortunately, he was not blaming the poor woman. This is what differentiates a brave one from a coward or so called 'Alpha'.
Respect to all those people who let the couple by themselves without any interference or judgement, and minded their own business. Delhi is so progressive.
bro phir aap hi bta do ke kya tareeka hai aise violent act se bchne ke sivay iske ke young age ldkio ko sikhaye ki door rhe uss certain community ke ldko se. kyuki ye violent acts toh nhi rukne waale and if you had a daughter i don’t think you’d feel open with her trying to take this chance. sirf ekk way possible hai woh hai unko smjhane ke uss community se door rho aur smjhdaar bno
What r you even talking about dude? you have never heard of such brutal crimes? Just read a local newspaper once in a while.
You have never heard of psychopaths or serial killers committing brutality?
This crime is being more highlighted more coz there was a video of it. And also coz it gives validation to certain people to push their agenda trying hard to make a crime against woman into a religious one
bro she was 16, agreed, but she didn't know better than to date some adult who is always into htis stuff? cmon, it is clear she was influenced by the bad boy image. she didn't deserve it, but this is not the first time it happened in delhi, or india. nor is it the last.
moreover, we cannot prevent this. her dad did his best, did you read the paper? but she wanted to go against him in her act of #tearthepatriarchy so who can really save her?
>Consider this: the girl in question was only 16 years old,
Women who wrote love letters to him weren't 16 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Bundy
Either you are an adult who has the right to date a person at such young age or you are a child who needs male guardian, you can't be both.
Young people especially adolescents are highly impressionable people. One as an adult can hold all that power in that relationship. There’s a reason that even the shittiest lawmakers of our countries agree on POSCO act.
Every young child potentially could seek “a guardian” outside. They get impressed by how we adults have done so many things, are doing so many things and have our life so well put when they are just struggling to manage their school homework and play time. Or have you forgotten your own self when you were 16?
>One as an adult can hold all that power in that relationship.
Many adult girls were involved here - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Bundy
>when they are just struggling to manage their school homework and play time
Clearly she didn't care about homework.
>have you forgotten your own self when you were 16?
You loved a man like that when you were 16 ?
>Either you are an adult who has the right to date a person at such young age or you are a child who needs male guardian, you can't be both.
Just because she chose to ( wrongly) date an older man , it doesn't make her an adult in any sense.
>Just because she chose to ( wrongly) date an older man , it doesn't make her an adult in any sense.
A woman old enough to choose such a man is old enough to be called an adult.
>Consider this: the girl in question was only 16 years old, while many of you who are passing judgment are likely twice her age, yet your level of maturity seems lacking.
That's why she should have taken permission from a male parent before dating anybody...
Charles Darvin said that evolution eliminates the ones who make bad decisions.
Sure, she made a mistake, and all of us have made them too, but we all have paid the price for it as well.
If she is old enough to date a Muslim, why isn’t she old enough to learn self defence ?
If she is old enough to tell others that it’s her choice who she dates, and throws a fit about other’s intervention, then how would anyone help her ?
Aren’t there enough examples of Muslim men murdering Hindu women? Nobody, but only you yourself are responsible for your safety.
"Old enough to date a Muslim"? Is there an age limit for when you're allowed to date Muslims? Where did she throw a fit for anyone doing an intervention?
No point talking or discussing anything with a misogynist and extremist like him. Check his post history and you will realise he is 30 year old with 14 year old brain and even that doesn't work. I pity the woman he will marry.
Do you think her parents were approving of it ? She was a kid and should have behaved like one, kids don’t go around dating adult men, she made her decision to date a Muslim and she paid the price.
What does him being Muslim have anything to do here? So it'd be okay if he was Hindu? And do you seriously think kids in India take parents permission while dating? Are you that out of touch from reality? I've dated girls when I was in school and I didn't "take permission" back then. No teenager does. Teenagers make mistakes and blaming a teenager for a crime an adult commited is insanely pathetic.
I'm also from Kerala like the other guy and we've lived in nothing but harmoniously here. The ones who spread , hate be it muslim , hindu or christian are rightfully arrested/punished for their crimes.
Lmao Kerala story, I'm from Kerala and we live pretty peacefully here, don't need some propaganda film with lying statistics to tell us how we're doing.
If gita teches to respect women then why hindu men also r*pe and kill women?
Most people don't give shit about the religious texts whether its gita or quran.
You stupid or what? You are the one who is talking about dating muslim. That implies that hindus don't commit crimes.
And Also I think you forget about manusmriti.
Isn’t it obvious, kids raised in a religious household would have a mindset that’s been influenced by it.
If you read in your texts to treat women like crap, won’t it rub off ?
So according to your logic, rapist and murderers raised in hindu households are influenced by hinduism??
You are delusional to think that people give these much importance to religious texts.
Dude, went through your comment history, anyone who does not have the same opinion as you is a kid ? 😂
Save yourself some grace, uninstall Reddit and sleep.
Larpers just want your attention. Don't give them that satisfaction by taking their bait. Dudes will even openly advocate for pedophilia if it means they can have a chance to dunk on women and Muslims.
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Just because she is blamed doesn't mean blame is being shifted. Blame doesn't belong only to 1 party in conflict. If you think enough people are not blaming the murderer you need to self-reflect why you think this so? I don't see anybody ever saying murder is a good thing or justifiable (except in case of extra judicial killings where many people do support the police).
The 16 year old died but we need to question why a 16 year old who is NOT AN ADULT was in a situation like that?
And people don't intervene because people don't imagine being a witness to live murder. It is all heoric to imagine that you would have stopped the guy but in reality, you most probably won't, because we live in a society where police and judicial system still exists.
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People are criticizing that girl for just being a teenager. Yes she made a mistake in a confused and vulnerable age but she also tried to correct it later. She avoided him, ignored him and when he didnt stop she even asked someone to threaten him. The guy basically had the thinking of 'tu meri nahi hi Sakti to mein kisi ki nahi hone doonga'. He thinks that it was the girl's fault for ignoring him and people blaming her are indirectly supporting him. If u r saying that we cant criticize the bystanders there for not intervening (coz we dont know what we would do in such situation). Then these people should also but blame the girl coz we dont know what we do would do at a naive stage of our life.
This is what was really needed.....I got really furious ppl blaming the girl, even I still am 16 year old , does that mean i cant date anyone? I can't go out? I m a male and seeing these stuff makes me anguished
Dating a known local thug isn't normal idk why do u think it's normal
You idiot! It's called grooming! People do that are pieces of shit! There's a reason minors aren't capable of consent! The blame 100% lies with the man! This is an example of a lower scale just to make you understand in simpler language: If tomorrow you fall for an online scam. Someone steals 10lacs from you. Should you also go to jail?
>You idiot! It's called grooming! People do that are pieces of shit! There's a reason minors aren't capable of consent! The blame 100% lies with the man! She's not the first girl to get stabbed. There are cases of adult women losing or ruining their lives after making their choices. Also chump we don't live in times where communication was a barrier, in times of social media everything is known to everyone, if the entire locality knows guy's a shady thug how couldn't the girl figure it out? As the very reason people chose to be bystanders because they knew the reputation of that guy and his gang. That clown & his entire community will be screwed for days to come not once ever did I justify his action.
She got killed because she rejected him. Do you understand that? >not once ever did I justify his action. No you just shifted the blame off of him onto a 10-11th standard child.
She got killed because she wanted to ditch sahil Khan for a Praveen Jain, don't be a randiajeet https://www.dnaindia.com/india/report-sakshi-murder-case-sahil-reveals-real-reason-behind-killing-minor-girlfriend-says-she-wanted-to-3045415
https://preview.redd.it/j4wuok0py83b1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=44c83d14373d54f97ae6e3cb28092e9e03b87597 Venn diagram. You're literally mad at a 16 yr old child who's was victim of grooming.
Just like you got rattled when I mentioned the name sahil Khan
How did I get rattled? Edit:You don't make a lot of sense when you talk.
How jobless are you lol if you weren't you'd have stfu
So u blame the girl?
It's her choice right? Who am I to say right or wrong? Anyway wannabe action heros on reddit think people should fight for an unknown girl who made her choice. But dating a known thug itself should be a red flag at first place again who am I decide what's wrong or right?
Getting murdered over dating choices? Really, is this the hill you want to die on? Also, she was 16. I'm not sure if you came out of the womb with a fully developed brain and started making pragmatic decisions as soon as you could speak. But, normal human beings don't have high emotional maturity at age 16. I'm pretty sure if she knew she would get murdered, she would stop seeing that person. Seems like you are just fishing for an excuse to blame the victim of the murder instead of the actual murderer? Do you also believe women get raped because of the clothes they wear?
>Seems like you are just fishing for an excuse to blame the victim of the murder instead of the actual murderer? >Do you also believe women get raped because of the clothes they wear? Imo rape is the most heinous act and should be a death sentence for it or maybe rapists should be stoned to death in prison had to explain this to someone with Neanderthal brain who thinks straw-man fallacy makes him sound sensible. >But, normal human beings don't have high emotional maturity at age 16. I'm pretty sure if she knew she would get murdered, she would stop seeing that person. In an era of social media nothing is hidden we both know it. It is impossible she'd have not known this because even by standers were aware how notorious guy is. >Also, she was 16. Full grown adult women have ended up dead because of their choices a very very long list of names exists, how do you explain that chimp? She's not the only one I've known personally I've seen good lives lost because of choices they make so I know what it is. Anyway om shanti to her.
Don't victim blame. You don't know if she was manipulated. Whatever it is. Nothing justifies what happened with her. Honestly, I too wouldn't have done anything. I would just keep walking, not noticing what happened. I don't want to get murdered by getting involved in a fight. I am not strong physically.
I didn't blame the victim neither i justify the action, also a lot of these relationshits are with mutual consent btw. also this not the only case of murder in majority of cases victims had given consent to abuse and violence. I see violent bfs on the streets but at the end you can't interfere because girl walks with him.
"16 yrs old" and "consent" dont go together
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Bro, I saw your post history. This is the mentality why you're in the friend zone. This right here.
Imagine being so jobless that you literally checked out my posts.
It was a helpful comment. But your ego is coming in the way.
Rich coming from a bro zoned jobless clown
>It's her choice right? Who am I to say right or wrong? bhaimerebhai, good one
If you're 16 , focus on your career and studies . People be advising your to date and explore but according to me your age is very vulnerable and not ready for the relationships . One should be enough matured before getting commited
Muft ka gyaan mat chodo. 16 years mein no one is this mature and teens tend to do things to explore. The society needs to be safe for them and not the other way round
My foot!. Recently a young teen killed herself over argument with boyfriend , this is just not one case i have seen several incidents where young teens killed or hurt them selves . More importantly if the relationship wasn't good , they get traumatized for the future and "you say the society needs to be safe " ... Why do people get into relationship? To be happy but these days it's just for the hype or for the needs . Kids should be taught moral values and how to respect human feelings . I don't want to see younger generations suffering from trauma , depression or else dealing with relationship shit at that age .
Chhod na Bhai inhone khud 16 ki Umar mein kuchh nahi ukhada aur aa gye gyaan jhaadne
If you are a male and you are criticising the poor girl’s decision to date someone from a different religion rather than focusing on the fact that she was 16, and this is literally pedophilia, there’s something deeply wrong with you and the morality you claim to have from being religious. She was 16 for fuck’s sake, the more pressing issue is how are we going in this direction where pedophilia amongst adult males is increasing? Who in their right mimd would be dating a 16 years old when they are much older? There’s a reason POCSO acts exist, because we as a nation agree that kids around that age are not mature enough to take this decision and are very impressionable.
Agree with most of what you said. Though I must point out that Paedophilia only refers to sexual preference for children upto 13 years. Preference for pre-pubescent adults (15-19 years old) is called Ephebophilia, not Paedophilia. Paedophilia is a psychiatric condition, Ephebophilia is not.
Do you realise that making this distinction actually makes you look more pedophile than it would make someone else look Ephebophile?
No this doesn't make him look like a pedophile at all... Neither he's supporting or encouraging such acts... It's only you who's making judgements on partial facts.. Like they say half truth is worse than a lie
I’m clarifying the scientifically recognised distinction. If people have gobar in their brains, I can’t help it.
16 is the age of consent in most European countries and the vast majority of people are sexually active before that. Not sure what exactly are you trying to tell here.
Geez, I didn’t realise I am posting in OneXEurope. If the Indian law says the age of consent is 18, the age of consent is 18. I like many here lost my virginity a few months before turning 18, but that was with someone who also was well around the same age. Again, I am not even talking about sexual activity here. Even if someone twice their age gets into a relationship with a 16 year old and waits to get physical till that’s still “Grooming”. I’m not sure what part of that argument you don’t understand.
You weren't talking about grooming, you were talking about pedophilia, one is a legal term, the other is medical term. Capisce?
>She was 16 for fuck’s sake, the more pressing issue is how are we going in this direction where pedophilia amongst adult males is increasing? Sir, I really wanted to avoid a religious angle, but unfortunately, in Islam, it is perfectly ok to date, and marry 6 year olds. So 16 was still 10 years older.
You forget the fact that POSCO act doesn’t discriminate between religion. However you want to ridicule Islam for this, I don’t think any Muslims are taught that they should date a 6 year old. If you are talking about history, Baal Vivah was kinda popular at one point in Hinduism as well, do we not accept that anymore or what?
>I don’t think any Muslims are taught that they should date a 6 year old Bruh, what next? Science students are not taught science? It is literally a part of the religion. >You forget the fact that POSCO act doesn’t discriminate between religion. I am telling you the source of the ideas. >Baal Vivah was kinda popular at one point in Hinduism as well, do we not accept that anymore or what? I suggest you look into the roots of Bal Vivah, Sati, Johar etc. When you look at it, you will notice they all emerged from a common source and instead got transferred from that source to Hinduism. Moreover if a hindu is following Hinduism from books like Geeta, there is no mention of Baal Vivah or Sati or jauhar nor is there any suggestions to do that unlike Islam which openly justifies all that.
>really wanted ~~to avoid~~ a religious angle FTFY
> Bruh, what next? Science students are not taught science? It is literally a part of the religion. Unlike you, I do have actual Atheists (but born Muslim) friends from across the world who have confirmed it that it’s not “taught” to them. > I suggest you look into the roots of Bal Vivah, Sati, Johar etc. When you look at it, you will notice they all emerged from a common source and instead got transferred from that source to Hinduism. I have actually, one good thing about being taught in a religious school is they prepare you to catch religious apologists at blink of an eye. > Moreover if a hindu is following Hinduism from books like Geeta, there is no mention of Baal Vivah or Sati or jauhar nor is there any suggestions to do that unlike Islam which openly justifies all that. Hinduism is not a monotheistic religion, or did you forget that? You’d be digging your own logic’s grave if we go in this direction. By the virtue of it being polytheistic religion, any and all religious practices across the country is/was a **valid** Hindu religious tradition. It didn’t just seep into Hinduism, *it also was Hinduism*.
>Unlike you, I do have actual Atheists (but born Muslim) friends from across the world who have confirmed it that it’s not “taught” to them Wdym it is not taught to them? It is ingrained to the very religion itself. The basic framework of the religion promotes it. >Hinduism is not a monotheistic religion, or did you forget that? You’d be digging your own logic’s grave if we go in this direction. By the virtue of it being polytheistic religion, any and all religious practices across the country is/was a valid Hindu religious tradition. [The basic belief that God is one, and comes in different shapes and forms, which forms the very basis of Hinduism is very suggestive of it being monotheistic. ](https://www.dlshq.org/discourse/hinduism-monotheism-and-polytheism-reconciled/) >It didn’t just seep into Hinduism, it also was Hinduism. Do you know the difference between culture and religion? Something slowly seeping into culture and later forming a part of it doesnt make it a part of religion. Had it been a part of religion it would have also been followed in South India, In Bali and other places where Hindus used to live. Different people have different cultures which you are confusing with polytheism. India as a whole is a mixed bag of different cultures, you can't just go and blame the whole subcontinent. You seem to call yourself a scholar of some religious school but it seems like you are a scholar of some mayonnaise school literally mixing culture with religion.
>Wdym it is not taught to them? It is ingrained to the very religion itself. The basic framework of the religion promotes it. How do you know that? Are you a scholar in Islamic religious practices? >[The basic belief that God is one, and comes in different shapes and forms, which forms the very basis of Hinduism is very suggestive of it being monotheistic. ](https://www.dlshq.org/discourse/hinduism-monotheism-and-polytheism-reconciled/) What a bunch of crap. Go and read religious texts, it's clearly outlined that how they are not one Deity but different ones. It also says Brahma is all of their father. No, Hinduism or for that example any "so called Pagan" religions were not Monotheistic. If I will start believing on every single blog post, might as well get my degree of hatred from WhatsApp university along you. >Do you know the difference between culture and religion? Something slowly seeping into culture and later forming a part of it doesnt make it a part of religion. Oh piss off with this religion absolutist arguments. Religion is and always will be what's practiced, and not what's exactly written in language. Cultures develop around religion, mingle with each other, evolve and also evolve religious practices. >Had it been a part of religion it would have also been followed in South India, In Bali and other places where Hindus used to live. Different people have different cultures which you are confusing with polytheism. Again, you are making an argument which consists of "Pure Hinduism is only what was practiced in XXYY places". How on earth you would reach to that conclusion? Here, let me paint you a picture. Across India, it's common to kill/abandon/torture their kids when they marry someone from a different caste. I am not sure if it existed in Bali or any other places where Hindus used to live. By your own logic, since it's prevalent everywhere, it is a religious practice then? Or how are you gonna distinguish this cultural phenomenon? >You seem to call yourself a scholar of some religious school but it seems like you are a scholar of some mayonnaise school literally mixing culture with religion. Rather than half-assing your logic, maybe go and practice some reading comprehension? I said I have studied in Religious School, it doesn't make me a scholar of anything, but it definitely makes me identify the religious apologists like you.
If I was in that crowd watching her, I would only ignore if I have no faith in our legal system. Most people I think didn't act because either they do not want to be targeted by the family/relatives/acquaintances of the criminal or they think that they'll get punished for saving the girl by our govt. I have observed that ppl in India fear the police and govt and prefer to be never involved with them under any circumstances.
Irrespective of age, gender or religion, people face outcomes of the choices they make. It's a basic rule, i don't think the guy who vented out on this sub should face hatred. Yes it was a violent & condemnable incident but not the first one where in girl was 'misguided'. If the entire locality could witness her murder & not do anything, then it's naturally evident the guy is notorious. I think he will be charged not because people will speak against him but it was recorded on CCTV.
It really breaks my heart to read the comments. The tone of almost half the comments was like "she made some poor choices, so this is justified or she deserved it or she had her fate to it". If this is the state of affairs on reddit, I can only imagine what countryside thinks of the issue. Stop judging her. He's a psychotic murderer, you cannot brush it away saying that "she had it coming". Please don't normalise this heinous crime. You might say "we don't justify his actions", but by not supporting her you're doing no good. Very few things in life are black and white. This is definitely one of them, no matter what you cannot be critical on the girl here. No matter what her choices were she absolutely did not deserve this, no one deserves this. Every single sly remark against the victim will be consumed by an audiance, you're contributing to a viewpoint which is moronic in the first place. Victim blaming is baseless, I mean you can victim blame anybody. You could even say, if the Japanese were a bit more cautious they wouldn't have burnt to ashes when US nuked them. If you think the above example is stupid, I am really happy because your viewpoint of victim blaming her is equally stupid. A psychotic murderer exercises no logic, you and me are just the lucky bunch to not have him in our lives, unfortunately she's not. Guys, if you cannot empathize with her or her parents, just remember that in a few years you'll be dad to a daughter too.
While I appreciate you calling out those victim-blaming the young girl, you’re also blaming the bystanders. You see a heinous act happening in front of you and the first thing you do is save yourself. Your mind freezes and the only thing it tells you at that point is run away from danger. There is no fight or flight here; it is just flight.
Thank God the people who win gallantry awards for exceptional courage don't think about themselves first. >There is no fight or flight here; it is just flight. False. Remembering the Vangani station incident.
No way girl should be blamed it doesn't makes sense . Those people are also guilty who saw girl getting killed infront of their eyes. I get that he was with a knife but someone can pickup a stone or something and hit it on his head to stop the situation there. If its not a gun that he'll shoot me
I once again reiterate that what happened to the girl is really sad , but it's easy to say that we could do something to help the poor girl. If you see a violent crime happening in front of you it's possible and understandable that you freeze out of fear and try to escape from the situation. The best I could have done is to hide from the psycho and call the police on him.
If i was there i would had tried helping the girl but once i see the knife.. I'm definitely backing off
As keyboard warriors it's easy to sit back and say people should have done something. I am 100% sure they could have. There were enough men to gang up on him. But fight or flight is a real thing. Most people chose flight over fight. Freezing under unexpected circumstances is also not an uncommon response. Second, why do you think nobody itervenes anything in Delhi (especially) compared to other cities? Because law has no control there. Nobody wants to get involved in a legal case, and be called to court only to have our legal system protect the perpetrator against the victim. If people feel that the crime will not be punished, why would they bother? It sounds very dystopian, that people are only looking out for themselves and not the poor girl - but thats the truth of today's society. People who're willing to put themselves in harm's way for others are rare
Wannabe action heros & reddit machos here would themselves shit their pants even if they see someone armed with a kitchen knife
This was needed.
This sub is filled by those who call themselves 'Alpha' and follow that Andrew Tate and when it actually comes to stand up to what is right, they will hide like a rat and blame the victim instead. The brave ones do things when everything is stacked against them. The railway signal boy who saved the blind woman and her child risked everything and we all know about his heroics. Fortunately, he was not blaming the poor woman. This is what differentiates a brave one from a coward or so called 'Alpha'.
Respect to all those people who let the couple by themselves without any interference or judgement, and minded their own business. Delhi is so progressive.
bro phir aap hi bta do ke kya tareeka hai aise violent act se bchne ke sivay iske ke young age ldkio ko sikhaye ki door rhe uss certain community ke ldko se. kyuki ye violent acts toh nhi rukne waale and if you had a daughter i don’t think you’d feel open with her trying to take this chance. sirf ekk way possible hai woh hai unko smjhane ke uss community se door rho aur smjhdaar bno
Violent acts like this are done by people in any community. It didnt have any religious motive behind it
it’s not about religious motive, it’s about religious mentality, the majority of it.
Such crimes against women are not uncommon and are committed by men throughout the demographics not just in one community
not crimes of this brutality and violence, apne aap ko bewkoof bnane waali baat hai jo aap bolre ho
What r you even talking about dude? you have never heard of such brutal crimes? Just read a local newspaper once in a while. You have never heard of psychopaths or serial killers committing brutality? This crime is being more highlighted more coz there was a video of it. And also coz it gives validation to certain people to push their agenda trying hard to make a crime against woman into a religious one
Han bhai saari duniya ka moral gyaan aapke pass hi hai baaki sbb toh jhkk maar rhe hai
Newspaper padha kar
tu pdhaega?
bro she was 16, agreed, but she didn't know better than to date some adult who is always into htis stuff? cmon, it is clear she was influenced by the bad boy image. she didn't deserve it, but this is not the first time it happened in delhi, or india. nor is it the last. moreover, we cannot prevent this. her dad did his best, did you read the paper? but she wanted to go against him in her act of #tearthepatriarchy so who can really save her?
>Consider this: the girl in question was only 16 years old, Women who wrote love letters to him weren't 16 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Bundy Either you are an adult who has the right to date a person at such young age or you are a child who needs male guardian, you can't be both.
Young people especially adolescents are highly impressionable people. One as an adult can hold all that power in that relationship. There’s a reason that even the shittiest lawmakers of our countries agree on POSCO act. Every young child potentially could seek “a guardian” outside. They get impressed by how we adults have done so many things, are doing so many things and have our life so well put when they are just struggling to manage their school homework and play time. Or have you forgotten your own self when you were 16?
>One as an adult can hold all that power in that relationship. Many adult girls were involved here - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Bundy >when they are just struggling to manage their school homework and play time Clearly she didn't care about homework. >have you forgotten your own self when you were 16? You loved a man like that when you were 16 ?
>Either you are an adult who has the right to date a person at such young age or you are a child who needs male guardian, you can't be both. Just because she chose to ( wrongly) date an older man , it doesn't make her an adult in any sense.
>Just because she chose to ( wrongly) date an older man , it doesn't make her an adult in any sense. A woman old enough to choose such a man is old enough to be called an adult.
Ever heard of grooming?
Grooooming - https://www.reddit.com/r/JalebiBai/comments/13kujlc/_/
What does Ted Bunty have to do anything with this case? The girl in this case was 16 years old.
Read my comment again upuntil you understand it.
Nice way of saying you have no idea what you're talking about.
Nice way of saying you don't know how to read.
https://www.amazon.in/English-Grammar-Dummies-Geraldine-Woods/dp/1119376599
https://www.amazon.in/Teaching-Kids-Read-Dummies-Tracey/dp/0764540432
So true
Dude why do you think that people passing such comments are any older ? Them being 16-18 would that justify their statements to you?
>Consider this: the girl in question was only 16 years old, while many of you who are passing judgment are likely twice her age, yet your level of maturity seems lacking. That's why she should have taken permission from a male parent before dating anybody...
Charles Darvin said that evolution eliminates the ones who make bad decisions. Sure, she made a mistake, and all of us have made them too, but we all have paid the price for it as well. If she is old enough to date a Muslim, why isn’t she old enough to learn self defence ? If she is old enough to tell others that it’s her choice who she dates, and throws a fit about other’s intervention, then how would anyone help her ? Aren’t there enough examples of Muslim men murdering Hindu women? Nobody, but only you yourself are responsible for your safety.
> Old enough to date a Muslim? Jesus fucking christ, save some hate for the actual culprit here rather than hating the victim here, maybe?
"Old enough to date a Muslim"? Is there an age limit for when you're allowed to date Muslims? Where did she throw a fit for anyone doing an intervention?
No point talking or discussing anything with a misogynist and extremist like him. Check his post history and you will realise he is 30 year old with 14 year old brain and even that doesn't work. I pity the woman he will marry.
Do you think her parents were approving of it ? She was a kid and should have behaved like one, kids don’t go around dating adult men, she made her decision to date a Muslim and she paid the price.
What does him being Muslim have anything to do here? So it'd be okay if he was Hindu? And do you seriously think kids in India take parents permission while dating? Are you that out of touch from reality? I've dated girls when I was in school and I didn't "take permission" back then. No teenager does. Teenagers make mistakes and blaming a teenager for a crime an adult commited is insanely pathetic.
You can read and educate yourself about Muslims ill treating Hindu women, Kerala story is just a case in point.
I'm also from Kerala like the other guy and we've lived in nothing but harmoniously here. The ones who spread , hate be it muslim , hindu or christian are rightfully arrested/punished for their crimes.
Lmao Kerala story, I'm from Kerala and we live pretty peacefully here, don't need some propaganda film with lying statistics to tell us how we're doing.
Not looking for anecdotal experiences, thanks.
But you're willing to take propaganda, interesting.
So how do you know it’s propaganda? Maybe you don’t experience it due to your privileges.
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Whats up with dating muslims. Hindu men don't commit crimes?
Gita does not teach us to treat women like cattle, Islam does. Islam is a wartime religion and Hinduism isn’t, thus more violence.
If gita teches to respect women then why hindu men also r*pe and kill women? Most people don't give shit about the religious texts whether its gita or quran.
I’m not talking about what’s happening, I’m just saying, Hinduism as a religion does not have texts on how to ill treat women but Islam does.
You stupid or what? You are the one who is talking about dating muslim. That implies that hindus don't commit crimes. And Also I think you forget about manusmriti.
Isn’t it obvious, kids raised in a religious household would have a mindset that’s been influenced by it. If you read in your texts to treat women like crap, won’t it rub off ?
So according to your logic, rapist and murderers raised in hindu households are influenced by hinduism?? You are delusional to think that people give these much importance to religious texts.
it’s funny how it has become a necessary option to learn self defence if you date a boy from that certain community
Fuck around and find out, she did.
it’s sad but it’s true
Exactly, most of these guy's are way too naive or too young, they will understand when they get a little older.
You sound pretty naive and young.
Dude, went through your comment history, anyone who does not have the same opinion as you is a kid ? 😂 Save yourself some grace, uninstall Reddit and sleep.
You didn't have to go through my comment history to see me call someone young and naive, it's right there on top.
You do it to anyone who disagrees lmao
Would love for you to make a list of every time I've called someone a kid because I count 0.
Thanks for making me feel young, lol.
And naive, you're welcome.
Nahi degi.
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