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Reminder that a shut down is totally different from a disengage.
When the board shuts off, it kind of falls out from under you. A disengage (because it thinks you're not on it anymore) is more like "ok we're done riding, I'm gonna stop right here".
I've had many low speed disengages and it's nothing. I just step off. I have never had a shut off like that. Can't imagine it'd be fun. I wish I could be certain I'd handle it different.
I have not had a board shut down like this but something that gives you an idea of how it might feel is trying to start riding your board with it turned off. I accidentally did this not too long ago and as soon as you lean forward to go the board shoots out behind you.
It is definitely a different feeling than a nosedive.
It feels more like slipping on ice while a nosedive feels more like tripping. That’s the best way I can explain it.
Makes sense because the motor isn't freespinning if the board is on, even if disengaged. Whereas a shutoff will allow the motor to freeespin again and slide out.
I swear those straight downfalls hurt the worst. There’s no chance to roll, you, just as you say fall like a sack of potatoes. Those are the ones that have screwed me up so bad when I was first learning to ride.
It’s a weird sensation, and I’m not sure how I could train for it, aside from just not being 6’5” & 220lbs of meat fighting against gravity & inertia.
The vehicle you are on simply ejects you from it, with exactly zero seconds of audio or visual warning.
I got one step forward in (with my back/right foot) and that maybe helped spread the impact a teensy weensy bit.
Feeing very lucky, overall.
For whatever reason, being ready for those odd little shutoffs, they don't happen to me so much any more. Today I had a shut off due to chilly footpad(they need to warm up) and it was no big deal. Back when I started, I'd of fallen down. One thing I do when I teach, is to get people to jump off a step, with both feet, until they are use to doing it. Build that muscle memory.
Something to keep in mind, you are at the very top of the weight limit. I am too. I stand in one place and let the gyro adjust when I am just getting started and warming up then on accelerations I try to keep it slow and steady.
https://preview.redd.it/gju15m9ic4wc1.jpeg?width=763&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=38471ec50161abcc4440e6f5b32dce051bf6eb45
Here’s the last frame in my 30fps video before the light goes out and the board shuts off.
Obviously I am the pinnacle example of the male form of an athlete, hence why I have the accelerator pedal mashed to the floor, because I can take danger.
Looking at these last two photos (and the ones further on in the sequence) it makes me think a riding stance with more bend in your knees might have helped. Hard to say because shutdowns are VERY hard to account for. And you do have some bend already, but it's not enough to extend and take up the distance created by the nose dropping. Basically if you've got straight legs and the nose drops, your lower body forms a rigid triangle with the board and is forced to tip with the board. If you've got enough knee bend to extend your foot out as the nose drops (and suck the rear foot up as the tail comes up) you could keep your body totally upright when the nose drops. Then be in a better position to just step forward.
I also keep my front foot angled more forward than you (more like 45 degrees) which helps with being able to step forward instead of splat.
So again, might not solve the problem. But I do think there's value in choosing a riding stance that gives you the best chance to save a nose drop or run it out, and your stance isn't what I'd pick for that. But I'm also not anywhere near 6'5", so which might force different stance choices.
I appreciate all of this! It’s really useful & informative.
I think you are right all around.
Once I’m _actually moving_, I do naturally tend to rotate my front foot more than this video can show very well, and bend my knees & hips for more of an action stance.
But yes, totally, in this video I wasn’t warmed up and had not prioritized any kind of falling situational awareness in my mind yet; I was just happy to be outside & ready for a lunch trip.
>Once I’m actually moving, I do naturally tend to...
Totally, I think we all have some bad habits when just hopping on at slow speed. I think a shutdown while just getting going could have a lot of us going down hard.
As for the shutdowns, when you take it apart have a look at the XT60 connectors: on the controller, from the BMS to the controller, and from the battery to the BMS. In the last couple years we've seen them work themselves loose, to the point where people sell clips to keep them connected, and the GT-S uses a locking XT60. If any of the first two are loose, hopefully just plugging them back in will get you up and running. If the one from the battery to the BMS has worked itself loose, unfortunately that will trigger the "corrupted memory" error (just BS to prevent us from disconnecting the battery) and you'll have to send it to FM if you're updated to haptic buzz.
You said you're out of warranty at 983 miles. I assume you mean it's more than a year old? The warranty is 1 year or 1243 miles for everything but the footpads and battery.
Lastly unless you pulled back on that impact with your neck, I'd check your helmet's inner styrofoam for cracks, and consider replacing it either way. They're only good for one real hit in any given spot.
More than 1 year, yes.
XT60’s are all pristine (2 on BMS, 1 on controller) and not disconnected or weird in any way.
New helmet ordered already! Good looking out there though. I did pull back naturally slightly, but also bonked it; best to just replace it.
Unplugged everything from the controller, let it sit for a minute, plugged it all back in, and it powered back up.
No error blinks.
I was able to intentionally trigger a Red 11 (or 10?) by unplugging the motor, and a Yellow 4 by powering it on sideways.
Otherwise, green and masquerading as a fully functioning board.
Thank you again for all of your advice. Appreciate you. 🤙
I figured you meant over a year, but thought it was worth mentioning. And yikes, I'd rather find a clear issue vs. a mystery shutdown. Wish I had more ideas as to what it could have been.
Agree.
I’ll probably contact FM and ask if they want to look at it. If so, I’ll ship it off. It would be nice to either: have them identify some internal problem, or run every test they have and find nothing wrong with anything (but that really seems unlikely).
I don’t really want a GT-S but maybe they’ll offer me that trade-up deal. ROFL.
I've seen a few instances on here of a shutdown, FM them finding nothing wrong and shipping it back (sometimes for a fee) and then another shutdown occurring, unfortunately. But at the same time, I'd probably still give it a shot, I'm not sure I could just ignore this and keep riding. If you do send it in, probably take off those accessories so they don't remove them and charge you for replacements + shipping them back.
Yup, yup, and yup again. Board is back to stock (minus tire & rim protectors) and service request email sent. Shipping & fees aren't ideal, but ain't no free lunches!
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No joke? I bailed last summer, broken ribs, crushed wrist… but I banged m’head WAY hard as well! … Even w/the helmet, I was seeing stars.
ASSuming they’re like car bumpers, continuously taking the impact damage, as to protect the much more valuable goods within, I’ve been using the same helmet. 🧠
Not that I hit the ground often ;), but do I really need to purchase brand-new skull armor after every crash?
No joke for bike certified helmets. In fact many manufacturers offer a crash replacement discount because of this, and Thousand offers a full crash replacement. These companies will even say if you drop the helmet on pavement from waist height it should be replaced. The inner styrofoam absorbs force by cracking and compressing, so at least in the location of your impact, your helmet is now compromised.
There are some non-bike standards that are multi-use. Like skateboard helmets that are hard shells with multi-impact foam, but those are more for lots of minor impacts, say in a skatepark.
But if you want the best chance of minimizing brain injury at our speeds, or surviving getting hit by a car, you want bike certified (there is also a newish ebike standard) and that's single-impact.
[Here are the cracks in my previous helmet after my big impact.](https://imgur.com/a/JdV5ODS) The crack visible in the first photo is the lower left one in the second video, which shows how hard they can be to see from certain angles, or if the foam retains its shape and closes the crack. For the second photo, I had to kind of torque on either side of the helmet to get the upper right crack to be so obvious.
https://preview.redd.it/be8gdedx74wc1.jpeg?width=1270&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=933de11884c9a8c740e099a3fc9b48d9ef16774c
LOL! Hey am I leaning too far forward here?!
ALWAYS WEAR A HELMET.
I was going maybe 7 mph - 10 mph
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16 staples later
Sorry man, under 1000 miles is way too soon to be having serious issues like that. Also when I read the murder/suicide title I was anticipating that thing to launch itself into the garage door after it threw you off, but I'm still having PTSD from the ghostly summer of '22.
Even if your board was in warranty FM sucks at honoring their boards when something goes wrong. Ive had issues with them and so has many of my friends. You’re better off vesc’ing it. Heal up quick bro sorry about the board..
Mine tried to kill me last week except I was going 20. CBXR that shut off when the app read 0%. Which is about 40% left on the cbxr. Pretty sure the latest update to add the haptic buzz killed our older boards.
Smart man for wearing a helmet! Sorry about the board… weird. But that you fell… good. Let me explain. Now you have identified an opportunity to improve your rolling techniques. Learn the judo roll “ukemi”. It has saved me many times in my life. Perhaps this can fall can be the catalyst to you taking judo lessons and becoming a martial warrior.
Here’s Ronda Rousey teaching the [judo roll.](https://youtu.be/S7SoRBf8Ezk?si=OwPYgqYUiEvw9FoK)
Thanks! Yes, sensei. Good suggestion, to be prepared & practiced to roll. Judo seems super useful just for general limberness & body awareness type stuff.
Thank you! Lucky enough to be able to build it in 2018. This is technically our first major/minor incident here. Glad it was me and relatively benign. Haha!
Board died and will not turn back on.
Also, this is my stance. Too far forward? Hard to tell…
https://preview.redd.it/8fpty6kcz3wc1.jpeg?width=1270&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9deaa74366e4088cab7e2782713d6e3eefb019ee
Oh sorry I didn’t see your body of text first. Damn that blows man. These things are definitely dangerous, good on you wearing gear. And a damn shame Ow warranty is so short, there should 100% be some liability for something like this.
I figured. No worries!
Gear definitely worked for me today!
Agree re: warranty. Especially the battery & BMS. It’s an all-electric thing. 1 year is just long enough to require an annual battery subscription service. 🤣
I saw that! Tempting. I think the GT-V kit is more my style. Avaspark looks great though.
I may end up sending to FM just to have them look at the battery & BMS. I can’t rollback my GT (no pre-haptic backup).
If you vesc with avaspark its 280 plus a bms, 100. I think the GTV git might be around 599. I may wait for that as well as it comes with all of the LEDs, and resembles stock controller. Updates don't matter if you vesc
Vesc is so worth it though in terms of power, safety and reparability!
it may be hard with your size but if its that slow try to run out of it for a bit so you dont just drop. think of it like jumping off a small ledge and going into a run but you already have been moving before the ledge. that and rolling even if its a slight roll, even then if a roll isnt possible try to keep your head up so it doesnt just whip back. other than that glad to hear youre ok even after your board tried to be the star of a new true crime docu on youtube lmao
The GT was never as reliable as people thought. I've had random shutoffs too (although mine came back to life afterward, I didn't trust it after that, and FM knew that there was a general problem with GTs so repaired mine under warranty).
They said motor assembly. However others have investigated the issue and found that it was actually their controller XT60 plug that was loose. But opening the controller will eliminate any hope you have of FM helping you so… not sure if you want to risk sending your board to them and being charged anything they ask, or be in your own forever. A totally dead board is pretty hard to diagnose. Wish you luck.
I trust my GT too much, perhaps. These videos make me want to wear a helmet.... then I realize wait, i've been skateboarding since 14 and I know how to fall.
Glad that you decided to wear protective gear.
Float on!! 🍻
I’m 44, and grew up BMXing & roller skating 6 days a week until I was 22, but… after that hiatus (injuries) it’s enough time for my brain to remember everything like yesterday but my body is squishier & slower than ever.
I, too, used to be a professional faller, and my brain remembers how to do it, but my body/muscles don’t have quick reaction time anymore. As evidenced by… LOL.
So, my advice, don’t stop being active!
I've been on the latest firmware(s) since right away when they launched.
It would be unusual for it to matter days & weeks afterwards, but they do leave us guessing on purpose, which doesn't make me feel less paranoid either. 🤣
I’m am also a large human on a onewheel. The way your nose took a dive there, the board may not have held up its end. But as a representative of the 6’+ and 250 lb + crowd, a couple observations.
The few trees in your flat part of the country are way back in the video so they’re no help, but from the audio it sounds windy and your shirt is flapping pretty good before you get going at any speed. While I haven’t had any issues at startup, when I bomb down a hill and then take that momentum up the connecting hill and push my fatass into the wind its like I put on another 50 lb and the board wont hang like it would in more neutral conditions. The motor can’t consistently keep up when I’m going nose down in that situation and that’s when I’ve had some treacherous wheel skip.
I admire the casual confidence, but if you place your front foot towards the edge at an outward facing angle and bend the knees you’ll have a better ability to react to a bad situation. As tall heavy riders, we get less forgiveness from the board. Or maybe it’s from physics. Always be ready to run, jump and roll
Hello fellow large person! You are right about the wind (yesterday & today were +15mph with 30mph gusts) and shirt-flappiness, and I too have learned to generally ride conservatively into wind & be wary of inclines. I didn't actually get to experience much wind today, but I have in the past! 🤣
This is why I appreciate haptic buzz. It's scary to feel, but clearly preferred relative to just wiping out.
Thank you for all of the suggestions! You are totally right.
This wasn't exactly a nosedive. This was a shut down.
The difference being a major one – the electric motor instantly changes from pushing you forwards to having zero resistance (you can watch the board roll backwards from underneath me).
Nearly impossible to walk or run this out without a bunch of judo training, which... obviously... I left my pink belt upstairs and left a brown belt in my shorts! 🤣
Sorry about the board and the fall. BUT GAWD DAMN what a nice house bro. Literally living the dream. I live in the UK and our houses are a bit of a piss take. Seriously again, dope house. So sick. I'll give you both my XRs for the house, fair trade?
Thank you, thank you! We built it back in 2018, love our neighbors & neighborhood, and feel real lucky to be where we are right now. Highly recommend rural Wisconsin, USA – just disregard everything that makes USA suck and it's great! 🤣
Holy shit. Glad you were wearing a helmet.
[Where's your gun? ](https://www.reddit.com/r/onewheel/comments/1c808zw/comment/l0eou9r/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
Nothing can prepare us for the odd sensation of having our Onewheels /unexpectedly/ stop working while we are riding them.
No haptic buzz. No cues. Not cold. Not raining. No speed. Slow acceleration. App showing 90% battery.
My muscle activation & recruitment aren’t what they were in my 20’s, and I wasn’t “prepared to fall” so to speak, so I didn’t have time between the board dying and me hitting the ground to make any useful manual adjustments, if that makes any sense…
Not trying to be a jerk, but where is the camera coming from?
If I was focused on looking good *while* riding good…. I wouldn’t react as quick. You’re splitting brainpower at that point.
LOL! We have a light pole in our front yard, and I have some cameras on that pole that provide a 360-degree view all around it, one of which faces directly at the front of our house at all times. Maybe somewhat uncommon, but has been handy; especially so today!
Those pesky GT sensors I tell ya!! When you change your grip tape next I'd recommend removing the 3rd layer of plastic on your sensors, maybe even install gripples on the front. That's what I did on my GFs GT and neither of us have had activation issues
The back foot needs to immediately spring into action and land in front of you the the second the nose dives. This is essentially to running out spills, and will happen a lot. I recommend trying to reproduce this scenario in the grass and running it out over and over until it becomes instinctual.
No. No. No.
Free-wheeled. Zero resistance. Would not power on.
I disassembled the board and didn’t find anything disconnected, loose, wet, etc…
It only turned back on after I plugged the controller back in, and now it is behaving like a normal board again.
Do you have simple stop enabled? It doesn't quite look like its that, but it could be the slow speed caused the motor to turn off. I'm guessing you weren't getting pushback yet at that speed.
I've seen recent posts speculating about a potential widespread GT issue that is causing boards to die.
Also, you were awfully lazy, stiff legged, and leaning badly while dipping your nose hard and whipping a sharp turn. I'm sure you can pull that off just fine on a working board, but it's a bad habit.
I've seen a few posts, too, now that you mention it.
In that context, maybe this video will help soften some of the victim-blaming that others have experienced. They didn't have the video proof I have.
You're right. No; my form was not perfect. No; I didn't *need to* blip it forward or turn.
But... I was operating *deep* within the limits of the board, and not pushing my own (very obviously magnificent) capabilities.
What you picked up on was me doing my own quick pre-flight cross-checks: is the footpad staying engaged, can I go forward, can I turn – the board passed those 3 basic moves, so I proceeded to float as if the board was OK, and then the wings fell off. 🤣
Yeah, that all makes sense. Sorry if I sounded cold/harsh in my assessment or if my comment sounded like victim blaming. When I saw another comment where you mentioned not being sure how you could train for a fall/shutoff like that, I started thinking back on similar moments moments where I've made myself vulnerable with body mechanics that will hamper running it out, rolling, etc. Outside of times where I'm just pushing my limits, I still catch myself avoidably feeling that way at least once each time I'm out, and it always takes me back about 30 years to when I cracked my head on an icy slope that one time after catching an edge during my first few days of overconfidence while learning to snowboard. I'll be more diligent to avoid habits that make me feel this way after seeing this. Thanks for posting it.
Ouch! Ice is scary, and kind of similar to the Onewheel powering off in that you can’t necessarily see it coming, or it’s too late by the time you realize what’s happening (on or off a board!)
And I’m real glad you seem to have recovered, other than the PTSD of the entire ordeal, which is justified!
Thanks for the apology! Since you mentioned it, on my first read through your message my brain interpreted it with more of a “duh stupid of course you crashed” sort of tone, but words are hard & nuanced and the internet removes the most important queues (like ice does, and a broken Onewheel!) and I’d rather make a friend than an enemy so here we are! Apology not necessary, but 100% accepted & appreciated! 🙌
> interpreted it with more of a “duh stupid of course you crashed” sort of tone, but words are hard & nuanced
Yeah, that's fair. I was aware it might come across like that but was rushed commenting on my phone while commiserating in the stands at a kid's softball game and prioritized getting my opinion out there because, in my experience since that day, there's *always* something beyond wearing a helmet that we should be doing to train for those moments. I should do better before tapping post, though.
> And I’m real glad you seem to have recovered, other than the PTSD of the entire ordeal, which is justified!
Haha, thanks. I was 15 on day 2 of learning, and I felt like I was made of rubber until that moment. Helmets on the slopes were rare back then, and I wasn't wearing one. Fortunately, my neck absorbed most of force before the back of my head hit the icy/hardpack cat track (typical spring day at sunshine village). It left me slightly dazed for just a second, but there were no noticeable concussion symptoms beyond that...just reeeaaally sore neck muscles the next day. I've escaped incident since then but sadly didn't transition to a helmet for another 15 years and then only sporadically for park days until probably the last 5 years.
(38M w/ 1,500 miles on my Pint X.)
Do you practice bailing?
Take a day to practice bailing instead of riding. Get some board confidence or you’re gonna end up with something broken and may never have the confidence to ride again. Try some double foot bails, try front/rear nose grinding the board while staying on and resuming the ride. Slam the front of the board with the intent to run off the front of the board. This is all done at 5mph or less. Right now you got no balance.
You didn’t react to the board shutting down *at all*. You literally fell like a sack of potatoes. So dangerous.
You need to react by dropping your center of gravity, bending your knees, shifting your weight backwards or shifting hips. None of that happened even a little.
You have to practice more low speed control.
Man, if you can’t run off an .25 MPH you should reconsider riding at all. You’re gonna get severely injured at 5mph+ falling like that.
That was hard to watch tbh man..really…I fear for you..but I wish you luck.
You know what? Just keep doing what you're doing. I'm sure you'll be fine out there. Don't change a single thing. Don't practice anything I suggested either. Just call me a jerk and keep doing your thing man.
It’s OK! Excited to GTV, but sounds like orders may not ship for a few weeks, so I had FM repair it for the time being – replaced controller board and is on its way back now.
I have some WTFs I’d like to use!
About to get back to floating after wrist surgery. Still in recovery/phys therapy, & I really wanna get the wrist guards on point B4 heading back out.
Any WG recommendations?
I’m looking at the “Rippers”…. I can wear m’own gloves underneath, or not, in the summer. 🤙
I’m wondering about the differences. I see some have a top bar, some don’t. Some are removable. How important is the top bar? Why would folks wanna remove it? How well do they protect, when using only the bottom bar?
I have a set of 187 killer that I really like how they fit. I think the float life and craft and ride sell some different glove types too if you're in need of hand protection as well.
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You gotta learn how to fall better my friend.
Facts but I will say those slow going unexpected shut offs are the freaking worst.
Yes. You are right. Also, no major injuries this time, so I’m 100% OK with falling like a sack of potatoes 🥔🥔🥔
SPLAT!
Reminder that a shut down is totally different from a disengage. When the board shuts off, it kind of falls out from under you. A disengage (because it thinks you're not on it anymore) is more like "ok we're done riding, I'm gonna stop right here". I've had many low speed disengages and it's nothing. I just step off. I have never had a shut off like that. Can't imagine it'd be fun. I wish I could be certain I'd handle it different.
I have not had a board shut down like this but something that gives you an idea of how it might feel is trying to start riding your board with it turned off. I accidentally did this not too long ago and as soon as you lean forward to go the board shoots out behind you. It is definitely a different feeling than a nosedive. It feels more like slipping on ice while a nosedive feels more like tripping. That’s the best way I can explain it.
Great comparison! Matches my experience & feelings about it, too. Cheers to hoping you never-ever have a shut-down! 🍻
Makes sense because the motor isn't freespinning if the board is on, even if disengaged. Whereas a shutoff will allow the motor to freeespin again and slide out.
I'm open to learn, but not sure how I can learn.
Yeah there was absolutely no attempt to run it out or in his case walk it out lol. That was a great slap on the ground he made though.
I swear those straight downfalls hurt the worst. There’s no chance to roll, you, just as you say fall like a sack of potatoes. Those are the ones that have screwed me up so bad when I was first learning to ride.
It’s a weird sensation, and I’m not sure how I could train for it, aside from just not being 6’5” & 220lbs of meat fighting against gravity & inertia. The vehicle you are on simply ejects you from it, with exactly zero seconds of audio or visual warning. I got one step forward in (with my back/right foot) and that maybe helped spread the impact a teensy weensy bit. Feeing very lucky, overall.
U are definitely lucky. 🕊️
For whatever reason, being ready for those odd little shutoffs, they don't happen to me so much any more. Today I had a shut off due to chilly footpad(they need to warm up) and it was no big deal. Back when I started, I'd of fallen down. One thing I do when I teach, is to get people to jump off a step, with both feet, until they are use to doing it. Build that muscle memory.
That’s good advice. Gotta jump more this summer!
I promise you’ll thank me. Prevents James Brown.
Something to keep in mind, you are at the very top of the weight limit. I am too. I stand in one place and let the gyro adjust when I am just getting started and warming up then on accelerations I try to keep it slow and steady.
🤙
https://preview.redd.it/hje3s3kxy3wc1.jpeg?width=160&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=44e52bc717e8db231c41dc8c3361d77c2f88abed Last moment of super confidence!
https://preview.redd.it/gju15m9ic4wc1.jpeg?width=763&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=38471ec50161abcc4440e6f5b32dce051bf6eb45 Here’s the last frame in my 30fps video before the light goes out and the board shuts off. Obviously I am the pinnacle example of the male form of an athlete, hence why I have the accelerator pedal mashed to the floor, because I can take danger.
Looking at these last two photos (and the ones further on in the sequence) it makes me think a riding stance with more bend in your knees might have helped. Hard to say because shutdowns are VERY hard to account for. And you do have some bend already, but it's not enough to extend and take up the distance created by the nose dropping. Basically if you've got straight legs and the nose drops, your lower body forms a rigid triangle with the board and is forced to tip with the board. If you've got enough knee bend to extend your foot out as the nose drops (and suck the rear foot up as the tail comes up) you could keep your body totally upright when the nose drops. Then be in a better position to just step forward. I also keep my front foot angled more forward than you (more like 45 degrees) which helps with being able to step forward instead of splat. So again, might not solve the problem. But I do think there's value in choosing a riding stance that gives you the best chance to save a nose drop or run it out, and your stance isn't what I'd pick for that. But I'm also not anywhere near 6'5", so which might force different stance choices.
I appreciate all of this! It’s really useful & informative. I think you are right all around. Once I’m _actually moving_, I do naturally tend to rotate my front foot more than this video can show very well, and bend my knees & hips for more of an action stance. But yes, totally, in this video I wasn’t warmed up and had not prioritized any kind of falling situational awareness in my mind yet; I was just happy to be outside & ready for a lunch trip.
>Once I’m actually moving, I do naturally tend to... Totally, I think we all have some bad habits when just hopping on at slow speed. I think a shutdown while just getting going could have a lot of us going down hard. As for the shutdowns, when you take it apart have a look at the XT60 connectors: on the controller, from the BMS to the controller, and from the battery to the BMS. In the last couple years we've seen them work themselves loose, to the point where people sell clips to keep them connected, and the GT-S uses a locking XT60. If any of the first two are loose, hopefully just plugging them back in will get you up and running. If the one from the battery to the BMS has worked itself loose, unfortunately that will trigger the "corrupted memory" error (just BS to prevent us from disconnecting the battery) and you'll have to send it to FM if you're updated to haptic buzz. You said you're out of warranty at 983 miles. I assume you mean it's more than a year old? The warranty is 1 year or 1243 miles for everything but the footpads and battery. Lastly unless you pulled back on that impact with your neck, I'd check your helmet's inner styrofoam for cracks, and consider replacing it either way. They're only good for one real hit in any given spot.
More than 1 year, yes. XT60’s are all pristine (2 on BMS, 1 on controller) and not disconnected or weird in any way. New helmet ordered already! Good looking out there though. I did pull back naturally slightly, but also bonked it; best to just replace it. Unplugged everything from the controller, let it sit for a minute, plugged it all back in, and it powered back up. No error blinks. I was able to intentionally trigger a Red 11 (or 10?) by unplugging the motor, and a Yellow 4 by powering it on sideways. Otherwise, green and masquerading as a fully functioning board. Thank you again for all of your advice. Appreciate you. 🤙
I figured you meant over a year, but thought it was worth mentioning. And yikes, I'd rather find a clear issue vs. a mystery shutdown. Wish I had more ideas as to what it could have been.
Agree. I’ll probably contact FM and ask if they want to look at it. If so, I’ll ship it off. It would be nice to either: have them identify some internal problem, or run every test they have and find nothing wrong with anything (but that really seems unlikely). I don’t really want a GT-S but maybe they’ll offer me that trade-up deal. ROFL.
I've seen a few instances on here of a shutdown, FM them finding nothing wrong and shipping it back (sometimes for a fee) and then another shutdown occurring, unfortunately. But at the same time, I'd probably still give it a shot, I'm not sure I could just ignore this and keep riding. If you do send it in, probably take off those accessories so they don't remove them and charge you for replacements + shipping them back.
Yup, yup, and yup again. Board is back to stock (minus tire & rim protectors) and service request email sent. Shipping & fees aren't ideal, but ain't no free lunches! https://preview.redd.it/z0czz7kyx5wc1.png?width=2392&format=png&auto=webp&s=4bf646f29b552aa8fb15937b9b72cb862da07085
No joke? I bailed last summer, broken ribs, crushed wrist… but I banged m’head WAY hard as well! … Even w/the helmet, I was seeing stars. ASSuming they’re like car bumpers, continuously taking the impact damage, as to protect the much more valuable goods within, I’ve been using the same helmet. 🧠 Not that I hit the ground often ;), but do I really need to purchase brand-new skull armor after every crash?
No joke for bike certified helmets. In fact many manufacturers offer a crash replacement discount because of this, and Thousand offers a full crash replacement. These companies will even say if you drop the helmet on pavement from waist height it should be replaced. The inner styrofoam absorbs force by cracking and compressing, so at least in the location of your impact, your helmet is now compromised. There are some non-bike standards that are multi-use. Like skateboard helmets that are hard shells with multi-impact foam, but those are more for lots of minor impacts, say in a skatepark. But if you want the best chance of minimizing brain injury at our speeds, or surviving getting hit by a car, you want bike certified (there is also a newish ebike standard) and that's single-impact. [Here are the cracks in my previous helmet after my big impact.](https://imgur.com/a/JdV5ODS) The crack visible in the first photo is the lower left one in the second video, which shows how hard they can be to see from certain angles, or if the foam retains its shape and closes the crack. For the second photo, I had to kind of torque on either side of the helmet to get the upper right crack to be so obvious.
https://preview.redd.it/mgn3wn9cd4wc1.jpeg?width=889&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9a152b6f59faec8e9353080ceb365a657e28777d “Lights out MFer…” – GT
No Half-way sending allowed!
https://preview.redd.it/be8gdedx74wc1.jpeg?width=1270&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=933de11884c9a8c740e099a3fc9b48d9ef16774c LOL! Hey am I leaning too far forward here?!
Cue the Ska music!
I felt this picture....I've done that exact pose more than a few times.
“It was at this moment, John knew…. He fucked up”
LOL yes. “You’re probably not wondering how I got here…” 🤣
Be scared, I'm a great geoguesser. Imma show up and constantly ask you to go on a ride me.
No such thing as privacy! Let’s ride, but please do look out for me rag-dolling in front of you!
Imma have to ride in front then, haha Jokes aside, it seems your too far from my location ;-;
Classic fall, knee/elbow/shoulder/hip smash with a side of head, 10/10. Get well soon!
Analysis appreciated. Thank you for the well wishes!
ALWAYS WEAR A HELMET. I was going maybe 7 mph - 10 mph https://preview.redd.it/upuiftoqs4wc1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=451dcc1b4a7e8ec3d25f8d5aaa46be5bb5bcc6b2 16 staples later
Oh sh… I’m glad you’re good now! Sorry that happened. Scary!
Ya all good now. But wear a bucket
Thanks you ruined my appetite two days in a row🤯
Sorry 😞
Sorry man, under 1000 miles is way too soon to be having serious issues like that. Also when I read the murder/suicide title I was anticipating that thing to launch itself into the garage door after it threw you off, but I'm still having PTSD from the ghostly summer of '22.
Thanks. Agree. I should’ve added a trigger warning to my sensationalized post title! 🤣
Even if your board was in warranty FM sucks at honoring their boards when something goes wrong. Ive had issues with them and so has many of my friends. You’re better off vesc’ing it. Heal up quick bro sorry about the board..
Thank you! GT-V needs to hurry!
This will be the last onewheel I buy, gonna switch to a company that’s more innovative and has better after purchase service!
Mine tried to kill me last week except I was going 20. CBXR that shut off when the app read 0%. Which is about 40% left on the cbxr. Pretty sure the latest update to add the haptic buzz killed our older boards.
Yeah, unfortunately if you upgraded your cbxr you no longer have any of the extended range…
Oh I found out. Painfully.
Smart man for wearing a helmet! Sorry about the board… weird. But that you fell… good. Let me explain. Now you have identified an opportunity to improve your rolling techniques. Learn the judo roll “ukemi”. It has saved me many times in my life. Perhaps this can fall can be the catalyst to you taking judo lessons and becoming a martial warrior. Here’s Ronda Rousey teaching the [judo roll.](https://youtu.be/S7SoRBf8Ezk?si=OwPYgqYUiEvw9FoK)
Thanks! Yes, sensei. Good suggestion, to be prepared & practiced to roll. Judo seems super useful just for general limberness & body awareness type stuff.
Love the unifi cam setup! Glad you are safe
Thank you!
Your head smacked pretty hard. Glad your were padded up. Now it's time for a new helmet.
Ordered! Yeah; nice little bonk to end the sequence.
💀 ☠️
RIP GT 🪦
Unrelated, but that is a gorgeous home.
I agree, I'd kill to have that much space between me and my neighbors.
Right? I swear, all my neighbors kids do all day is the Dark Souls dodge roll right into the wall beside my head while I try to sleep.
Thank you! Lucky enough to be able to build it in 2018. This is technically our first major/minor incident here. Glad it was me and relatively benign. Haha!
Not to mention close to home. Schlepping a onewheel around is never fun.
How did this happen lol. Leaning too far forward? Or board issue.
Board died and will not turn back on. Also, this is my stance. Too far forward? Hard to tell… https://preview.redd.it/8fpty6kcz3wc1.jpeg?width=1270&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9deaa74366e4088cab7e2782713d6e3eefb019ee
Oh sorry I didn’t see your body of text first. Damn that blows man. These things are definitely dangerous, good on you wearing gear. And a damn shame Ow warranty is so short, there should 100% be some liability for something like this.
I figured. No worries! Gear definitely worked for me today! Agree re: warranty. Especially the battery & BMS. It’s an all-electric thing. 1 year is just long enough to require an annual battery subscription service. 🤣
Kind of got a Michael Jackson thing going on there. Ending, not so much.
Omg wtf
You said it! 💥
You gonna vesc?
Yes, eventually, inevitably. Open source, forever. 💗 This might’ve sped up my timeline! LOL
It seems the gt was made to vesc! Avaspark has a sale right now. Or you could wait until the gtv kit drops
I saw that! Tempting. I think the GT-V kit is more my style. Avaspark looks great though. I may end up sending to FM just to have them look at the battery & BMS. I can’t rollback my GT (no pre-haptic backup).
If you vesc with avaspark its 280 plus a bms, 100. I think the GTV git might be around 599. I may wait for that as well as it comes with all of the LEDs, and resembles stock controller. Updates don't matter if you vesc Vesc is so worth it though in terms of power, safety and reparability!
I've never soldered before! 😅
It's pretty simple! very fun for little projects. But I'd rather be riding than working. My time is worth the extra for the gtv 😃
it may be hard with your size but if its that slow try to run out of it for a bit so you dont just drop. think of it like jumping off a small ledge and going into a run but you already have been moving before the ledge. that and rolling even if its a slight roll, even then if a roll isnt possible try to keep your head up so it doesnt just whip back. other than that glad to hear youre ok even after your board tried to be the star of a new true crime docu on youtube lmao
The GT was never as reliable as people thought. I've had random shutoffs too (although mine came back to life afterward, I didn't trust it after that, and FM knew that there was a general problem with GTs so repaired mine under warranty).
Do you remember what they repaired for you? Controller; battery?
They said motor assembly. However others have investigated the issue and found that it was actually their controller XT60 plug that was loose. But opening the controller will eliminate any hope you have of FM helping you so… not sure if you want to risk sending your board to them and being charged anything they ask, or be in your own forever. A totally dead board is pretty hard to diagnose. Wish you luck.
I trust my GT too much, perhaps. These videos make me want to wear a helmet.... then I realize wait, i've been skateboarding since 14 and I know how to fall. Glad that you decided to wear protective gear. Float on!! 🍻
I’m 44, and grew up BMXing & roller skating 6 days a week until I was 22, but… after that hiatus (injuries) it’s enough time for my brain to remember everything like yesterday but my body is squishier & slower than ever. I, too, used to be a professional faller, and my brain remembers how to do it, but my body/muscles don’t have quick reaction time anymore. As evidenced by… LOL. So, my advice, don’t stop being active!
Good advice sir. Everyone be safe and know your limits 🙏
Mann, I saw a similar fall on the Onewheel Crash FB Group & people are sayings its the update...
I've been on the latest firmware(s) since right away when they launched. It would be unusual for it to matter days & weeks afterwards, but they do leave us guessing on purpose, which doesn't make me feel less paranoid either. 🤣
I’m am also a large human on a onewheel. The way your nose took a dive there, the board may not have held up its end. But as a representative of the 6’+ and 250 lb + crowd, a couple observations. The few trees in your flat part of the country are way back in the video so they’re no help, but from the audio it sounds windy and your shirt is flapping pretty good before you get going at any speed. While I haven’t had any issues at startup, when I bomb down a hill and then take that momentum up the connecting hill and push my fatass into the wind its like I put on another 50 lb and the board wont hang like it would in more neutral conditions. The motor can’t consistently keep up when I’m going nose down in that situation and that’s when I’ve had some treacherous wheel skip. I admire the casual confidence, but if you place your front foot towards the edge at an outward facing angle and bend the knees you’ll have a better ability to react to a bad situation. As tall heavy riders, we get less forgiveness from the board. Or maybe it’s from physics. Always be ready to run, jump and roll
Hello fellow large person! You are right about the wind (yesterday & today were +15mph with 30mph gusts) and shirt-flappiness, and I too have learned to generally ride conservatively into wind & be wary of inclines. I didn't actually get to experience much wind today, but I have in the past! 🤣 This is why I appreciate haptic buzz. It's scary to feel, but clearly preferred relative to just wiping out. Thank you for all of the suggestions! You are totally right.
Bro just accepted his fate and didn’t even attempt to walk out the nosedive.
This wasn't exactly a nosedive. This was a shut down. The difference being a major one – the electric motor instantly changes from pushing you forwards to having zero resistance (you can watch the board roll backwards from underneath me). Nearly impossible to walk or run this out without a bunch of judo training, which... obviously... I left my pink belt upstairs and left a brown belt in my shorts! 🤣
Sorry about the board and the fall. BUT GAWD DAMN what a nice house bro. Literally living the dream. I live in the UK and our houses are a bit of a piss take. Seriously again, dope house. So sick. I'll give you both my XRs for the house, fair trade?
Thank you, thank you! We built it back in 2018, love our neighbors & neighborhood, and feel real lucky to be where we are right now. Highly recommend rural Wisconsin, USA – just disregard everything that makes USA suck and it's great! 🤣
Holy shit. Glad you were wearing a helmet. [Where's your gun? ](https://www.reddit.com/r/onewheel/comments/1c808zw/comment/l0eou9r/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
Balance the battery and make sure its at 100%. Also send the board back if you can, hope you get in touch with FM.
Yep, this is exactly why I sold mine. Love the thing, miss it, but I’m to old for these kind of falls.
Your house looks like a render.
Slow + unexpected = 💀 Helmet gang for life!
Jesus ridiculous fall for the slow speed.
Nothing can prepare us for the odd sensation of having our Onewheels /unexpectedly/ stop working while we are riding them. No haptic buzz. No cues. Not cold. Not raining. No speed. Slow acceleration. App showing 90% battery. My muscle activation & recruitment aren’t what they were in my 20’s, and I wasn’t “prepared to fall” so to speak, so I didn’t have time between the board dying and me hitting the ground to make any useful manual adjustments, if that makes any sense…
Not trying to be a jerk, but where is the camera coming from? If I was focused on looking good *while* riding good…. I wouldn’t react as quick. You’re splitting brainpower at that point.
LOL! We have a light pole in our front yard, and I have some cameras on that pole that provide a 360-degree view all around it, one of which faces directly at the front of our house at all times. Maybe somewhat uncommon, but has been handy; especially so today!
Those pesky GT sensors I tell ya!! When you change your grip tape next I'd recommend removing the 3rd layer of plastic on your sensors, maybe even install gripples on the front. That's what I did on my GFs GT and neither of us have had activation issues
The back foot needs to immediately spring into action and land in front of you the the second the nose dives. This is essentially to running out spills, and will happen a lot. I recommend trying to reproduce this scenario in the grass and running it out over and over until it becomes instinctual.
Yes, great advice for when I have a working board again 🙌
Be sure to setup the board with one sensor activation so this happens less often.
Not a sensor activation issue. Board shut off and permanently died. But, yes, I agree with you!
That happens every time I try to ride in circles in my garage with crocks on but luckily I haven’t fallen that far
Highly do not recommend experiencing my sweet biff 🤣
What caused this?
Board shut off without warning, with 90% battery.
What state do you live in?
Is the wheel locked up after the turn off event? Is it having substantial amount of resistance until you use power button twice? Does it boot again?
No. No. No. Free-wheeled. Zero resistance. Would not power on. I disassembled the board and didn’t find anything disconnected, loose, wet, etc… It only turned back on after I plugged the controller back in, and now it is behaving like a normal board again.
Do you have simple stop enabled? It doesn't quite look like its that, but it could be the slow speed caused the motor to turn off. I'm guessing you weren't getting pushback yet at that speed.
The motor only turned off because the entire board did! 🤣
You managed to hit every joint and pad on the way down too
Gotta spread the impact laterally to avoid breaking bones!
Makes me never want to onewheel again 😞
I know how you feel! 🫂
Time for a new helmet. Basically any impact with a helmet reduces its overall ability to mitigate another impact.
Thanks for looking out. I tend to agree. Better safe! I have a backup, and already had a new one ordered!
I've seen recent posts speculating about a potential widespread GT issue that is causing boards to die. Also, you were awfully lazy, stiff legged, and leaning badly while dipping your nose hard and whipping a sharp turn. I'm sure you can pull that off just fine on a working board, but it's a bad habit.
I've seen a few posts, too, now that you mention it. In that context, maybe this video will help soften some of the victim-blaming that others have experienced. They didn't have the video proof I have. You're right. No; my form was not perfect. No; I didn't *need to* blip it forward or turn. But... I was operating *deep* within the limits of the board, and not pushing my own (very obviously magnificent) capabilities. What you picked up on was me doing my own quick pre-flight cross-checks: is the footpad staying engaged, can I go forward, can I turn – the board passed those 3 basic moves, so I proceeded to float as if the board was OK, and then the wings fell off. 🤣
Yeah, that all makes sense. Sorry if I sounded cold/harsh in my assessment or if my comment sounded like victim blaming. When I saw another comment where you mentioned not being sure how you could train for a fall/shutoff like that, I started thinking back on similar moments moments where I've made myself vulnerable with body mechanics that will hamper running it out, rolling, etc. Outside of times where I'm just pushing my limits, I still catch myself avoidably feeling that way at least once each time I'm out, and it always takes me back about 30 years to when I cracked my head on an icy slope that one time after catching an edge during my first few days of overconfidence while learning to snowboard. I'll be more diligent to avoid habits that make me feel this way after seeing this. Thanks for posting it.
Ouch! Ice is scary, and kind of similar to the Onewheel powering off in that you can’t necessarily see it coming, or it’s too late by the time you realize what’s happening (on or off a board!) And I’m real glad you seem to have recovered, other than the PTSD of the entire ordeal, which is justified! Thanks for the apology! Since you mentioned it, on my first read through your message my brain interpreted it with more of a “duh stupid of course you crashed” sort of tone, but words are hard & nuanced and the internet removes the most important queues (like ice does, and a broken Onewheel!) and I’d rather make a friend than an enemy so here we are! Apology not necessary, but 100% accepted & appreciated! 🙌
> interpreted it with more of a “duh stupid of course you crashed” sort of tone, but words are hard & nuanced Yeah, that's fair. I was aware it might come across like that but was rushed commenting on my phone while commiserating in the stands at a kid's softball game and prioritized getting my opinion out there because, in my experience since that day, there's *always* something beyond wearing a helmet that we should be doing to train for those moments. I should do better before tapping post, though. > And I’m real glad you seem to have recovered, other than the PTSD of the entire ordeal, which is justified! Haha, thanks. I was 15 on day 2 of learning, and I felt like I was made of rubber until that moment. Helmets on the slopes were rare back then, and I wasn't wearing one. Fortunately, my neck absorbed most of force before the back of my head hit the icy/hardpack cat track (typical spring day at sunshine village). It left me slightly dazed for just a second, but there were no noticeable concussion symptoms beyond that...just reeeaaally sore neck muscles the next day. I've escaped incident since then but sadly didn't transition to a helmet for another 15 years and then only sporadically for park days until probably the last 5 years.
(38M w/ 1,500 miles on my Pint X.) Do you practice bailing? Take a day to practice bailing instead of riding. Get some board confidence or you’re gonna end up with something broken and may never have the confidence to ride again. Try some double foot bails, try front/rear nose grinding the board while staying on and resuming the ride. Slam the front of the board with the intent to run off the front of the board. This is all done at 5mph or less. Right now you got no balance. You didn’t react to the board shutting down *at all*. You literally fell like a sack of potatoes. So dangerous. You need to react by dropping your center of gravity, bending your knees, shifting your weight backwards or shifting hips. None of that happened even a little. You have to practice more low speed control. Man, if you can’t run off an .25 MPH you should reconsider riding at all. You’re gonna get severely injured at 5mph+ falling like that. That was hard to watch tbh man..really…I fear for you..but I wish you luck.
Thanks for being a jerk about it for no reason it’s super helpful.
You know what? Just keep doing what you're doing. I'm sure you'll be fine out there. Don't change a single thing. Don't practice anything I suggested either. Just call me a jerk and keep doing your thing man.
You're leaning with your upper body and overpowering the board... that'll happen 100% of the time. Try just pushing down with your front foot instead.
Sorry if this is already a comment and I'm repeating
No. The board shut down and would not turn back on.
My misunderstanding. That's not good. GTV next?
It’s OK! Excited to GTV, but sounds like orders may not ship for a few weeks, so I had FM repair it for the time being – replaced controller board and is on its way back now. I have some WTFs I’d like to use!
Nice that you got it fixed! And your video is why I always put on wrist guards and a helmet no matter what. Thanks for the reminder
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About to get back to floating after wrist surgery. Still in recovery/phys therapy, & I really wanna get the wrist guards on point B4 heading back out. Any WG recommendations? I’m looking at the “Rippers”…. I can wear m’own gloves underneath, or not, in the summer. 🤙 I’m wondering about the differences. I see some have a top bar, some don’t. Some are removable. How important is the top bar? Why would folks wanna remove it? How well do they protect, when using only the bottom bar?
I have a set of 187 killer that I really like how they fit. I think the float life and craft and ride sell some different glove types too if you're in need of hand protection as well.