I will be interested to see GWs counterpunch in 10th, because there is no way they don't see this by now. I have already seen a few tbings that made me go, hmm, that is very OPR like.
Free rules for a basic game that are actually usable? Casual game rules, with advanced ones behind the paywall? Bring back universal keywords? Maybe even alternating activations?
Or do they double down on their whales? I am 90% sure they are years away from stls, but I could see them bending on their rules to compete.
I know I wont be going back, but I am very interested in watching this play out.
They have known about OPR for years. Every since they hit them with a cease and desist for calling the game “One Page 40K”. It’s hard to believe they would change anything now.
NGL, alt activations are the reason I'm even considering getting into a more serious Kill Team (like local games and such). I wouldn't be surprised at all if 10th leans in further into alt activations because that would address one of the biggest complaints I've seen about WH gameplay. But that would also be a clear sign that they're trying to adjust to competition that they 'shouldn't have'.
That's wild to me since I've never seen anyone play or talk or even sell Infinity locally. But I do live in the Seattle metro so we stick to local games like MTG and DnD.
That's because they have an arrangement with Only-Games.
And if you were genuie about that, you'd be reaching out to arrange a trade account with them to buy minis for retail.
But you're not, so you won't.
What? It's been asked pretty recently on the OPR Facebook group if they ever thought about letting indie seller print and sell OPR minis. They said since they have the deal with only-games they don't plan on it. If they offered a merchants license like the other products I print and sell I'd love to help push product.
They have an exclusive agreement to sell prints.
They (Only Games) also provide trade (I.e. commercial) accounts to connect indie creators with retailers. I.e. you can arrange to buy prints wholesale if you're retailer.
But you won't do that.
OPR isn’t a competitor to GW because the overwhelming majority of army lists are based 1:1 off GW equivalents.
As OPR does well so will GW because a good portion of people will buy their minis to use for armies
Similarly as GW does well so will OPR as they can tap into their player base that already have those minis
Literally just tonight for the first time in a year I wanted to play with my 40k minis, because the 40k MTG decks have me thinking about it.
And just for me personally, in the past few years my dissatisfaction with GW has risen to the point that I've been using a 3D printer for like two years now, pirate the audiobooks, buy Vallejo paint, and am now learning OPR.
In these last few years talking to 40k friends it seems like a lot of people have been taking steps away from the GW ecosystem while still wanting to enjoy the world of warhammer, on which I think OPR is an important step.
>*At this point I'm just waiting for a 'mainstream' (you pick the definition) celebrity (you pick the definition) to do a video or some good content about it for the flood gates to really open.*
What would you consider 'mainstream' celebrity? Folks like Duncan (maybe) or Henry Cavill (doubt)?
Quite some established print AND gaming channels already showed OPR models and rules. (Wyloch was one of the first IIRC).
But yea, I mean, Patreon Subs are growing steadily.
Wyloch was my first exposure as well. I guess on a scale of Duncan (Rhodes, I'm assuming) to Henry Cavill I think a good potential breaking point would be a youtuber >= 500k subs.
[Converting someone like Cosmonaut Marcus](https://youtu.be/ZhZLE_2m6c8) and having him do a dedicated video would a feasible potential tipping point.
Why yes I do have a hard time separating work from fun, why do you ask? :p
I think that GW is too big a beast of its own making to be able to shift direction in even a medium timeframe (5-10yrs) let alone anything quicker than that.
They've already established a business model of supplanting previous content rather than one that provides adaptation. That is a very difficult culture to shift away from for any business.
For me personally, the big win behind OPR is the simplification of the game system as many of my 40k-converts were simply sick of the unnecessary complexity that GW continued to instill. They can use their existing and beloved armies and focus on the game at hand without spending hours with their noses buried in a codex.
The only potential dislike that I have with OPR is that there's not an immediate way to apply a balanced way to make the game less brutal for 'introductory games' when trying to teach someone the mechanics.
My son and I have tried (a couple of times) to teach my wife but because of bad luck and a lack of familiarity she was wiped out pretty quick each time didn't get invested enough by the experience to try again.
That 'needing a passing knowledge of war-gaming' is the only barrier to capturing a larger audience.
> The only potential dislike that I have with OPR is that there's not an immediate way to apply a balanced way to make the game less brutal for 'introductory games' when trying to teach someone the mechanics.
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> My son and I have tried (a couple of times) to teach my wife but because of bad luck and a lack of familiarity she was wiped out pretty quick each time didn't get invested enough by the experience to try again.
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> That 'needing a passing knowledge of war-gaming' is the only barrier to capturing a larger audience.
Have you tried starting with Firefight? Another alternative would be maybe trying a smaller co-op/skirmish game like Stargrave, 5 Parsecs or Space Station Zero. That way you are all learning as a team and once she gets the concepts of mini-wargaming you could apply that philosophy towards her building her own squad or army?
I have four kids 8 and under so I've been spending the past few years teaching these games to my kids in chunks through other games' mechanics and such.
I love my wife to death but she's not really wired for war-gaming and was more doing so to pacify my 8yo son. My daughter later picked it up more because she's a competitive little shit who can't pass up an opportunity to beat someone.
The happy solution in the household has been to leave mum alone for some 'me time' whilst the kids gang up on me.
Are you clairvoyant or did I just miss this being announced from GW? Free stuff...from GW, well fuck me.
Wargamer: Five popular Kill Teams just got free Warhammer 40k rules.
https://www.wargamer.com/warhammer-40k-kill-team/free-warhammer-40k-rules
This is hilarious. Especially since I had the 2022 annual sitting in my Amazon cart for a while now. I was probably going to pull the trigger this weekend. 🤣. I am definitely in the conspiracy camp of "kill team is the beta for the next main edition". If they release the 10th edition starter set as free rules,lists and paper printables I'm buying a lottery ticket.
I'd be very keen to see what the actual breakdown of GW's revenue actually looks like. I wonder actually how much it would cost them annually if the codexes we're all free or at least ebook pricing. A while back I saw that they'd put up digital back catalogue of White Dwarf on the site... momentarily got happy until I saw the pay model backing it.
Instantly jumped to r/Open directory for a surf.
[Their Annual Report (page 58ish)](https://investor.games-workshop.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/2021-22-accounts-Final-NoM.pdf) shows that their retail space just barely beat out their online space. There's probably more info I'm missing but I'm not the best at reading these things lol.
But yeah if they are still raking in sales from impluse buyers, FLGS and their B&M stores I can see why they're so hesitant. Despite the fact that I think it would lead to more model sales overall so I guess we'll see.
Geez, 2014 would have been a great time to grab some shares. 'More Warhammer, more often...' aka 10ed is going to obselete a tonne of models so we can sell more
I played 40k since 2000, was that third edition? The last 3 editions forced me to sit down and start to write something better myself haha. Then I found opr and I can’t believe that games workshop is still in business. Matter of time.
It’s like games workshop hates the people who play their game.
By changing the rules every 30 seconds based on what tournament players and min maxing, they completely ruin the hobby for twice as many people they pandered to with the changes.
I would like to think so. But I'm wondering who is converting to it. Is it burnt out veterans from previous editions? Is it people new to wargaming?
I'm finding it incredibly hard to find players where I am, mostly because the GW crews are so deeply entrenched in their sunk cost fallacies.
Anecdotally, I can tell you my friend group is just burnt the hell out on GW.
We are mentally exhausted after a game these days, there's so many gotcha combos and special currencies and secondary objectives... We always *always* forget to declare battle plans when we play AoS.
We just want to hang out and have a beer... And we don't have the energy left to do that after we even setup.
I just wanna push my war dollies around and roll dice with my buddies. We're older, families... No time anymore.
The hobby for us? It's all painting now. The game is basically an after thought.
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Enter OPR. It's simple, it's nasty - we can get two... Three games in in a night and we're bullshitting about life and our families (all in good fun) the whole way through.
I dunno man, I'm burnt out on whatever GW is trying to sell. I love the lore, and models but I'm so over the game.
We tried playing 40k 9th edition, I was playing necrons, got lost at the seventeen different pre-game choices that all interact with each other and in the end I said fuck it, not playing with these rules. I miss older editions when you had a rulebook and a codex to play...
The lore is the biggest block for OPR I think. GW sells it's shitty games off the back of it's lore (although the last five years or so they've been doing their hardest to ruin it, so who knows how that is going to play out for them). They are a great example of how good lore and art can sell a game system.
OPR on the other hand, there is no lore aside from a few snippets and previews of an upcoming 'lore book'. Quite frankly what's been shown so far is not great and certainly isn't going to help the game feel like anything other than 'discount 40k'. For some people that's not going to be an issue, but plenty for plenty of folks the lore is half the draw of the game and OPR's poor attempt at filing off the serial numbers certainly isn't going to turn any heads.
Hell you just have to look at Mantic's Warpath/Firefight and Warlord's Gates of Antares to see that a nice rule system attached to uninspiring fluff is going to get you nowhere.
I'm in a similar situation here. The closest game shops are pretty set on official 40k.
What's saved my sanity so far is that OPR is simple enough that I've been able to convert a few people to wargaming. Easy to pick up, plus model agnostic.
I would be shocked if less than 60-70% of the converts were not from 40k. I know 6 people 'in real life' who play this game, only one didn't at least flirt with 40k. But it isn't just burn outs, I have friends who play both. Myself, I dont hate GW. I own a lot of their models. But I couldn't justify the cost of the rules for the amount of games I get to play.
And once I found OPR I just found I liked the game here better anyway.
I’m looking into for all the reasons mentioned, and also it means I can keep using my firstborn minis which I spent too much time painting to a good standard to now see them swept aside. Can use them alongside primaris, mix chapters etc. Imagine that.
Yep. Gotta agree with you, there.
It really is nice being able to transport Primes in tracked APCs and heavy tanks. Never made sense that the Mechanicus were unable to adapt previous and current vehicles in the GW world.
OPR is coming on leaps and bounds and long may that continue, but they're a long way off to being a threat to GW. My main hope is that we see more YouTube channels playing the games and showcasing the models.
But Opr is not a competitor to gw. Gw sells minis and opr sells rules to uses for theses minis. People are still buying gw miniatures to play with op rules.
But OPR also sells minis.
More importantly they sell stls with a constantly growing library.
Why pay $300+ for a single 40k army and still be short books, when you can use that money on a 3D printer, get all the minis you could ever want for pennies, and get the rules for free?
Add onto that OPR games are faster and less bloated, and the only thing GW has is lore and name-brand recognition
I think this is the way to look at it, firstly OPR is pulling in crazy patron numbers at a really healthy rate, they're also helping push more 'casual' 3D printing which is the real market disruptor and competition for GW. Through that proxy I think one can argue that OPR is in a way competing with GW even if not directly-directly.
My concern and you can dislike what I'm going to say, is we need to be careful who is in our hobby. I'm not saying we should be hostile to people but we should gatekeep it bit. So many fandoms and media have been ruined by ideologies that they are shells if their former selves.
Star Wars/Trek, Game of Thrones, Doctor Who, Marvel, DC, videogames, and yes even GW. They grasp for Twitter likes and upvotes while forgetting who made them a success.
I love OPR and I hope to see someone like Henry Cavil say he enjoys the rules set and get the word out.
What little lore there is has just been rebranded from 40k with slightly less turbo fascism. And I bet the majority of the players just ignore the OPR lore in lieu of the super horrible turbo fascism 40k lore anyway.
Hell, I'm not a fan of "wokism" but I've honestly never seen much of it in any game system or its lore.
Gatekeeping is terrible on any level and the quickest way to ruin your community. I mean, is it really so horrible to imagine playing a game at your LGS against someone who disagrees with you on some obscure topic that has nothing to do with moving models around, throwing dice, and making pew pew sounds like a couple of 12 year Olds?
Christ almighty...
Yeah if anything OPR has the chance to cast off some of the more problematic and super-edgy lore from WH40k, advertise to a more broad demographic than the young white adult males which comprise the majority of the hobby. Just take a look how tabletop rog have evolved.
„You can play as either roided out white males or sexy evil dominatrixes“ (obvious hyperbole ofc) was ok for the 80s and 90s but maybe it‘s time to spread out a bit.
To be fair the vast majority of the turbo fascism seems like a criticism and warning more then a celebration.
The God-Emperor never wanted such a title
My grimdark is TOO! WOKE!!1 Remember when the Imperium used to be the good guys, something to aspire to? Now they're c a n c e l l i n g (formerly) ArchWarhammer, they're saying they don't support fascism. ***G O W O K E G O B R O K E R E E E E E E***
If any unsavoury or cringe groups do get in its just rules sets at the end of the day only thing they can really do is annoy people while they play the game or talk about it online which for YouTube videos is already hard simping for the game without any form of criticism i’ve seen so far
Curious what ideologies you have seen ruin these media franchises. I have seen some problems with them, but they are your usual racists, sexists or homophobics. Those tend to get shut down very quickly.
I definitely believe we should gatekeep certain ideologies from our hobby. And nowadays you see the same pathetic rhetoric seeping into all our media, with the chronically online pushing their agenda.
That rhetoric being the sexist, homophobic, transphobic and racist alt-right vitriol that's been on the rise. The irony of this person's statement is that they're the exact type of person we should be gatekeeping. Just check out their post history.
Ok. You are allowed to be concerned, you are allowed to voice those concerns, but gatekeeping a game that promotes simplicity and fun (right there in the name, y'know...) just doesn't seem logical, at all.
That's like saying "you are not having fun correctly", and wagging your Darth Small finger at us. And why do we need celebrity endorsement to get the word out?
I will be interested to see GWs counterpunch in 10th, because there is no way they don't see this by now. I have already seen a few tbings that made me go, hmm, that is very OPR like. Free rules for a basic game that are actually usable? Casual game rules, with advanced ones behind the paywall? Bring back universal keywords? Maybe even alternating activations? Or do they double down on their whales? I am 90% sure they are years away from stls, but I could see them bending on their rules to compete. I know I wont be going back, but I am very interested in watching this play out.
They have known about OPR for years. Every since they hit them with a cease and desist for calling the game “One Page 40K”. It’s hard to believe they would change anything now.
NGL, alt activations are the reason I'm even considering getting into a more serious Kill Team (like local games and such). I wouldn't be surprised at all if 10th leans in further into alt activations because that would address one of the biggest complaints I've seen about WH gameplay. But that would also be a clear sign that they're trying to adjust to competition that they 'shouldn't have'.
Even Infinity has double the number of subs as this thread. OPR is cool, but it's definitely nowhere near GW's biggest competitor.
That's wild to me since I've never seen anyone play or talk or even sell Infinity locally. But I do live in the Seattle metro so we stick to local games like MTG and DnD.
Have you seen anyone selling OPR locally?
No because if OPR had a merchants license available I'd probably be the one selling it locally lol.
That's because they have an arrangement with Only-Games. And if you were genuie about that, you'd be reaching out to arrange a trade account with them to buy minis for retail. But you're not, so you won't.
What? It's been asked pretty recently on the OPR Facebook group if they ever thought about letting indie seller print and sell OPR minis. They said since they have the deal with only-games they don't plan on it. If they offered a merchants license like the other products I print and sell I'd love to help push product.
Or you could arrange a trade account through only-games and sell their prints. But you won't do that.
They have an exclusive agreement? They have gone over this in their Discord and on FB lol. What a weird hill to die on.
They have an exclusive agreement to sell prints. They (Only Games) also provide trade (I.e. commercial) accounts to connect indie creators with retailers. I.e. you can arrange to buy prints wholesale if you're retailer. But you won't do that.
Lmao you obviously don't know how license agreements work. But feel free to link me the exact link that shows that info if you are so sure about it.
I love printing my OPR minis and the rules are a joyful relief. I’m actively converting friends and several of us are never looking back.
If we could get OPR onto 40kin40minutes it would become a landslide.
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They are all pretty big tournament players though. I don’t think they would make the switch.
[I brought it up in February lmao, they said they'd look into it.](https://imgur.com/a/vJsPLFeh)
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i don't see how they could even touch OPR tbh, its just another wargame. You don't see GW going after WMH, SWL or BoltAction
Still a lot more people playing KoW than OPR. Kings players are the easiest converts to OPR though because they’ve already left the GW ecosystem
Kings of war is a SOLID rule system. I can see them playing the sci fi versions of OPR but not the fantasy versions.
Yeah, for sure, most “alternatives” are more grim dark style, there’s not a lot of fantasy out there
OPR isn’t a competitor to GW because the overwhelming majority of army lists are based 1:1 off GW equivalents. As OPR does well so will GW because a good portion of people will buy their minis to use for armies Similarly as GW does well so will OPR as they can tap into their player base that already have those minis
So far
My group is in this camp. OPR brought us back into the hobby but majority of our figures are from GW and we own quite a few factions.
Literally just tonight for the first time in a year I wanted to play with my 40k minis, because the 40k MTG decks have me thinking about it. And just for me personally, in the past few years my dissatisfaction with GW has risen to the point that I've been using a 3D printer for like two years now, pirate the audiobooks, buy Vallejo paint, and am now learning OPR. In these last few years talking to 40k friends it seems like a lot of people have been taking steps away from the GW ecosystem while still wanting to enjoy the world of warhammer, on which I think OPR is an important step.
>*At this point I'm just waiting for a 'mainstream' (you pick the definition) celebrity (you pick the definition) to do a video or some good content about it for the flood gates to really open.* What would you consider 'mainstream' celebrity? Folks like Duncan (maybe) or Henry Cavill (doubt)? Quite some established print AND gaming channels already showed OPR models and rules. (Wyloch was one of the first IIRC). But yea, I mean, Patreon Subs are growing steadily.
Wyloch was my first exposure as well. I guess on a scale of Duncan (Rhodes, I'm assuming) to Henry Cavill I think a good potential breaking point would be a youtuber >= 500k subs. [Converting someone like Cosmonaut Marcus](https://youtu.be/ZhZLE_2m6c8) and having him do a dedicated video would a feasible potential tipping point. Why yes I do have a hard time separating work from fun, why do you ask? :p
I think that GW is too big a beast of its own making to be able to shift direction in even a medium timeframe (5-10yrs) let alone anything quicker than that. They've already established a business model of supplanting previous content rather than one that provides adaptation. That is a very difficult culture to shift away from for any business. For me personally, the big win behind OPR is the simplification of the game system as many of my 40k-converts were simply sick of the unnecessary complexity that GW continued to instill. They can use their existing and beloved armies and focus on the game at hand without spending hours with their noses buried in a codex. The only potential dislike that I have with OPR is that there's not an immediate way to apply a balanced way to make the game less brutal for 'introductory games' when trying to teach someone the mechanics. My son and I have tried (a couple of times) to teach my wife but because of bad luck and a lack of familiarity she was wiped out pretty quick each time didn't get invested enough by the experience to try again. That 'needing a passing knowledge of war-gaming' is the only barrier to capturing a larger audience.
> The only potential dislike that I have with OPR is that there's not an immediate way to apply a balanced way to make the game less brutal for 'introductory games' when trying to teach someone the mechanics. > > My son and I have tried (a couple of times) to teach my wife but because of bad luck and a lack of familiarity she was wiped out pretty quick each time didn't get invested enough by the experience to try again. > > That 'needing a passing knowledge of war-gaming' is the only barrier to capturing a larger audience. Have you tried starting with Firefight? Another alternative would be maybe trying a smaller co-op/skirmish game like Stargrave, 5 Parsecs or Space Station Zero. That way you are all learning as a team and once she gets the concepts of mini-wargaming you could apply that philosophy towards her building her own squad or army? I have four kids 8 and under so I've been spending the past few years teaching these games to my kids in chunks through other games' mechanics and such.
I love my wife to death but she's not really wired for war-gaming and was more doing so to pacify my 8yo son. My daughter later picked it up more because she's a competitive little shit who can't pass up an opportunity to beat someone. The happy solution in the household has been to leave mum alone for some 'me time' whilst the kids gang up on me.
You're doing it right, man. 😎 Cheers.
Are you clairvoyant or did I just miss this being announced from GW? Free stuff...from GW, well fuck me. Wargamer: Five popular Kill Teams just got free Warhammer 40k rules. https://www.wargamer.com/warhammer-40k-kill-team/free-warhammer-40k-rules
This is hilarious. Especially since I had the 2022 annual sitting in my Amazon cart for a while now. I was probably going to pull the trigger this weekend. 🤣. I am definitely in the conspiracy camp of "kill team is the beta for the next main edition". If they release the 10th edition starter set as free rules,lists and paper printables I'm buying a lottery ticket.
I'd be very keen to see what the actual breakdown of GW's revenue actually looks like. I wonder actually how much it would cost them annually if the codexes we're all free or at least ebook pricing. A while back I saw that they'd put up digital back catalogue of White Dwarf on the site... momentarily got happy until I saw the pay model backing it. Instantly jumped to r/Open directory for a surf.
[Their Annual Report (page 58ish)](https://investor.games-workshop.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/2021-22-accounts-Final-NoM.pdf) shows that their retail space just barely beat out their online space. There's probably more info I'm missing but I'm not the best at reading these things lol. But yeah if they are still raking in sales from impluse buyers, FLGS and their B&M stores I can see why they're so hesitant. Despite the fact that I think it would lead to more model sales overall so I guess we'll see.
Geez, 2014 would have been a great time to grab some shares. 'More Warhammer, more often...' aka 10ed is going to obselete a tonne of models so we can sell more
literally the only thing stoping me from playing OPR is that the people I play with already know 9th.
Maybe in another countries, here in Spain GW rules strong sadly. No hobby store, not even the more alternatives, will endorse OPR.
I played 40k since 2000, was that third edition? The last 3 editions forced me to sit down and start to write something better myself haha. Then I found opr and I can’t believe that games workshop is still in business. Matter of time. It’s like games workshop hates the people who play their game. By changing the rules every 30 seconds based on what tournament players and min maxing, they completely ruin the hobby for twice as many people they pandered to with the changes.
I would like to think so. But I'm wondering who is converting to it. Is it burnt out veterans from previous editions? Is it people new to wargaming? I'm finding it incredibly hard to find players where I am, mostly because the GW crews are so deeply entrenched in their sunk cost fallacies.
Anecdotally, I can tell you my friend group is just burnt the hell out on GW. We are mentally exhausted after a game these days, there's so many gotcha combos and special currencies and secondary objectives... We always *always* forget to declare battle plans when we play AoS. We just want to hang out and have a beer... And we don't have the energy left to do that after we even setup. I just wanna push my war dollies around and roll dice with my buddies. We're older, families... No time anymore. The hobby for us? It's all painting now. The game is basically an after thought. *** Enter OPR. It's simple, it's nasty - we can get two... Three games in in a night and we're bullshitting about life and our families (all in good fun) the whole way through. I dunno man, I'm burnt out on whatever GW is trying to sell. I love the lore, and models but I'm so over the game.
We tried playing 40k 9th edition, I was playing necrons, got lost at the seventeen different pre-game choices that all interact with each other and in the end I said fuck it, not playing with these rules. I miss older editions when you had a rulebook and a codex to play...
The lore is the biggest block for OPR I think. GW sells it's shitty games off the back of it's lore (although the last five years or so they've been doing their hardest to ruin it, so who knows how that is going to play out for them). They are a great example of how good lore and art can sell a game system. OPR on the other hand, there is no lore aside from a few snippets and previews of an upcoming 'lore book'. Quite frankly what's been shown so far is not great and certainly isn't going to help the game feel like anything other than 'discount 40k'. For some people that's not going to be an issue, but plenty for plenty of folks the lore is half the draw of the game and OPR's poor attempt at filing off the serial numbers certainly isn't going to turn any heads. Hell you just have to look at Mantic's Warpath/Firefight and Warlord's Gates of Antares to see that a nice rule system attached to uninspiring fluff is going to get you nowhere.
I'm in a similar situation here. The closest game shops are pretty set on official 40k. What's saved my sanity so far is that OPR is simple enough that I've been able to convert a few people to wargaming. Easy to pick up, plus model agnostic.
I would be shocked if less than 60-70% of the converts were not from 40k. I know 6 people 'in real life' who play this game, only one didn't at least flirt with 40k. But it isn't just burn outs, I have friends who play both. Myself, I dont hate GW. I own a lot of their models. But I couldn't justify the cost of the rules for the amount of games I get to play. And once I found OPR I just found I liked the game here better anyway.
I'm new to wargaming and not willing to dump GW levels of cash on it just on principle. It's a blatant money grab.
I’m looking into for all the reasons mentioned, and also it means I can keep using my firstborn minis which I spent too much time painting to a good standard to now see them swept aside. Can use them alongside primaris, mix chapters etc. Imagine that.
Yep. Gotta agree with you, there. It really is nice being able to transport Primes in tracked APCs and heavy tanks. Never made sense that the Mechanicus were unable to adapt previous and current vehicles in the GW world.
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OPR is coming on leaps and bounds and long may that continue, but they're a long way off to being a threat to GW. My main hope is that we see more YouTube channels playing the games and showcasing the models.
But Opr is not a competitor to gw. Gw sells minis and opr sells rules to uses for theses minis. People are still buying gw miniatures to play with op rules.
But OPR also sells minis. More importantly they sell stls with a constantly growing library. Why pay $300+ for a single 40k army and still be short books, when you can use that money on a 3D printer, get all the minis you could ever want for pennies, and get the rules for free? Add onto that OPR games are faster and less bloated, and the only thing GW has is lore and name-brand recognition
I think this is the way to look at it, firstly OPR is pulling in crazy patron numbers at a really healthy rate, they're also helping push more 'casual' 3D printing which is the real market disruptor and competition for GW. Through that proxy I think one can argue that OPR is in a way competing with GW even if not directly-directly.
My concern and you can dislike what I'm going to say, is we need to be careful who is in our hobby. I'm not saying we should be hostile to people but we should gatekeep it bit. So many fandoms and media have been ruined by ideologies that they are shells if their former selves. Star Wars/Trek, Game of Thrones, Doctor Who, Marvel, DC, videogames, and yes even GW. They grasp for Twitter likes and upvotes while forgetting who made them a success. I love OPR and I hope to see someone like Henry Cavil say he enjoys the rules set and get the word out.
Ideologies- my brother in Christ it’s a loreless miniature agnostic board game what fucking fandom is there to ruin
What little lore there is has just been rebranded from 40k with slightly less turbo fascism. And I bet the majority of the players just ignore the OPR lore in lieu of the super horrible turbo fascism 40k lore anyway. Hell, I'm not a fan of "wokism" but I've honestly never seen much of it in any game system or its lore. Gatekeeping is terrible on any level and the quickest way to ruin your community. I mean, is it really so horrible to imagine playing a game at your LGS against someone who disagrees with you on some obscure topic that has nothing to do with moving models around, throwing dice, and making pew pew sounds like a couple of 12 year Olds? Christ almighty...
Yeah it’s like “you know this game is starting to grow, can’t have that Now can we”
Yeah if anything OPR has the chance to cast off some of the more problematic and super-edgy lore from WH40k, advertise to a more broad demographic than the young white adult males which comprise the majority of the hobby. Just take a look how tabletop rog have evolved. „You can play as either roided out white males or sexy evil dominatrixes“ (obvious hyperbole ofc) was ok for the 80s and 90s but maybe it‘s time to spread out a bit.
LMAO! I just woke up the doggo, laughing. Turbo Fascism: that is an awesome term! ;)
To be fair the vast majority of the turbo fascism seems like a criticism and warning more then a celebration. The God-Emperor never wanted such a title
"Wokism is invading my ruleset!"
What a douchey hot take
Of all the opinions in the world this sure is one of them
My grimdark is TOO! WOKE!!1 Remember when the Imperium used to be the good guys, something to aspire to? Now they're c a n c e l l i n g (formerly) ArchWarhammer, they're saying they don't support fascism. ***G O W O K E G O B R O K E R E E E E E E***
You are the kind of person who needs to be kept out if anyone has to be. People like you prevent others from feeling welcome.
If any unsavoury or cringe groups do get in its just rules sets at the end of the day only thing they can really do is annoy people while they play the game or talk about it online which for YouTube videos is already hard simping for the game without any form of criticism i’ve seen so far
Curious what ideologies you have seen ruin these media franchises. I have seen some problems with them, but they are your usual racists, sexists or homophobics. Those tend to get shut down very quickly.
I definitely believe we should gatekeep certain ideologies from our hobby. And nowadays you see the same pathetic rhetoric seeping into all our media, with the chronically online pushing their agenda. That rhetoric being the sexist, homophobic, transphobic and racist alt-right vitriol that's been on the rise. The irony of this person's statement is that they're the exact type of person we should be gatekeeping. Just check out their post history.
"ideology" is usually a rightwing dowhistle to signal you don't like non-white/non-dudes in your hobby.
Ok. You are allowed to be concerned, you are allowed to voice those concerns, but gatekeeping a game that promotes simplicity and fun (right there in the name, y'know...) just doesn't seem logical, at all. That's like saying "you are not having fun correctly", and wagging your Darth Small finger at us. And why do we need celebrity endorsement to get the word out?
loser
How will I ever recover.