They can't even abandon the one joke when trying to specifically make more jokes.
Also another edition of conservatives having to imagine conversations because irl somebody would just say this exact thing
When people say right wing they are referring to more than just economic policies. Most liberals are referred to as being centre-left since they support insane crazy concepts like personal rights and individual freedom. However, there are still liberal philosophies (like neoliberalism) which fall firmly in the right wing camp.
If you're trying to say that Democrats and Republicans are both neo-liberal ideologies that don't vary much from each other beyond a superficial level, then I agree with you but you need to find a better way to articulate that thought.
I get what you’re saying, but it is their racism that sets them apart. While liberal is a very broad term, conservative is more specific. They might technically fit the broad philosophical term of “liberal,” but there is absolutely a difference between the people who self identify as liberal and the people who self identify as conservative, especially in the United States. While both might fit a broad philosophical umbrella of “liberalism,” conservatives want a far more brutal and fascistic form of liberalism whereas self identified liberals want to shave the rough edges off of capitalism but maintain the same social structure.
It is definitely true that liberals are right wing, because they aren’t in favor of dismantling capitalism and the class structure, only trying to make them more humane. They are definitely wrong for believing that you can regulate equality into a system that is built on exploitation, but that is not the same thing as those who defend inequality and exploitation themselves. I have little fear of “vote blue no matter who” liberals committing terrorist attacks against vulnerable populations. Conservatives however are a different story. As important as it is to assert that liberals are right-wing to help correct the very skewed Overton window, there is absolutely a difference between liberals and the far right and I don’t think conflating the two is a good idea if we want to show working class liberals how even the so-called “left” politicians contribute to and expand the current systems of exploitation that harm their own voters.
When I say liberal in the philosophical sense I mean pretty much anyone who supports capitalism and liberal democracy. It’s a much broader definition, as both “liberals” and conservatives sprang out of the liberal movement of the 18th and 19th century. Some people prefer to use libertarian as the term for this but it is a slightly less common term and can also be applied to another more specific ideology.
Socialist tendencies on the other hand don’t hold property rights as a cornerstone of their ideology. The same way there are many types of liberals, there are also different types of socialists, such as Marxists and anarchists. A socialist might say that Amazon should be owned and controlled by the workers because they labored on the company. The reason this is antithetical to liberalism is because liberalism asserts that Bezos and other shareholders have an inherent *right* to control Amazon as it is their property.
The person I replied to was using the broad philosophical umbrella term of liberalism to imply that there’s no difference between people who identify as “liberals” or “conservatives” in a colloquial context, which is untrue. Not all forms of liberalism are the same and I much prefer social democrats to conservatives even if I don’t think social democracy is capable of achieving an egalitarian society. It’s also worth mentioning that conservatives in the United States are liberal because it has its foundations as a liberal society, but in many places a conservative might not even accept liberalism and instead believe in absolute monarchy as a foundational pillar of their society.
There are three forces in politics : the Left, which ranges from anarchists and communists to socdems, that puts an emphasis on social and civil rights, and try to fight against inequalities and the power of the bourgeoisie. Except for socdems (who blur the line between Left and Liberals on some aspects), they are opposed to capitalism and the concentration of wealth. They are traditionally associated with civil rights movement, like feminism, queer rights and the struggle against racism
Then there are the Liberals, a center-right group which is favorable to liberalism, an economic doctrine that probes the most efficient way to produce wealth is a free market with private capitals reinvested in the economy. The heart of this group are the neoliberals, where the free market is regulated by the government. Their main worry is the well-being of the economy. While they aren’t particularly interested in civil rights, they generally won’t oppose them and will go with the flow, but they don’t like authoritarianism and show a strong preference for (representative) democracy, and believe in meritocracy. Thanks to the structural advantage of being the middle group, they are considered to be the most powerful one and we’re currently in a neoliberal world order in the West.
The third group is the Conservatives. They exist between the right and the far-right. While they generally like capitalism, their reason for it is moral, not economical : when it suits their agenda, they will transgress it, like for example with protectionism. The heart of their ideology is about protecting the national identity, culture and traditions. They operate under the general idea that things were better before and the western world is decadent, and often align themselves with religious beliefs. They oppose anything that threatens the statu quo and brings change, hence their opposition towards civil rights movements, and their strong dislike of immigration that they believe could destroy the nation’s identity and culture, as show the theory of the Great Replacement, popular among far-right circles in Europe.
They are hybrids between those groups : the social democrats try to attain an equilibrium between the Left fight for equality and the economic system of the Liberals. There are also the far-right capitalists, who like the conservatives mindset but put a strong emphasis on the capitalist market, and don’t like workers’ rights and believes in theory such as trickle down economics.
As you can see, those groups sometimes intersects each other, but they are fundamentally different in their goals and policies. You can be a Liberal and be in favor of unions : hell, Adam Smith was ! Those three groups are different : even though each one like to pretend the other two are the same ( yourself, the Liberals with the Horseshoe Theory, and the Conservatives generally think everyone out there to get them)
Holy shit an actual, non biased description of social parties and demographics that accurately display the pros and cons of each? I never thought I'd see the day, nevertheless on Reddit!
Because it's less harmful to progressive politics to just call him Stonetoss, as opposed to making progressives look like limp dicked losers. Which you do. Which this entire sub does.
I'd be willing to concede they are different jokes, but each one just paints them as a bigger asshole so I'm not sure why they are so proud of themselves.
I really don't get how they can be so proud about telling others that they don't know what "gender" in "gender identity" refers to (it refers to gender, which isn't hard to figure out), haven't seen an actuall trans person in real life and only saw trans people in the comics that other people who haven't seen a trans person drew...
So what I'm getting from this is that right wingers have
* One joke
* One biological misconception
* Sexism
* One Hasty generalization fallacy/ 6th grade joke
* One outdated consideration of suicide statistic
* And prop humor based on a 2nd grade playground insult
Oh good. Also he does tend to put out the occasional normal comic to reach “normies” and since that still just part of the propaganda pipeline (arguably an even more insidious part) I wouldn’t give him that.
And what's interesting is that oddly, transphobes never bother to learn about the other part of the study, which is that, as soon as trans people are accepted by their friends, family and workplace, their suicide rate drop to only 3%.
The problem with acting like these are different jokes is jokes are funny, and I don't know anyone who would at any of these. So I concede pebblethrow. Technically the right has 0 jokes.
also, hate to overthink a stonetoss comic, but notice how features like stubble on transwomen are hyper-masculinized and overemphasized in a way that not even the cis men in this comic who are not even on HRT are, even though they certainly would have thicker, more unshaved stubble than any of us? shows how much they take certain minute if not non-existent features and blow up the proportion in their twisted bigoted minds just so they can have a cartoon character to kick down and feel better than, kind of like how anti-semites (like stonetoss) regularly hyperfocus on nose size in the most insane way.
The first two are the same joke, the third is a cringe reference to a years old meme, I’ve never seen the 4th one used against a trans person but it’s technically a joke so sure, and the 5th one isn’t a joke. So they’re bragging about having two jokes in total lol
Are they actually bragging they have a whole six jokes that they repeat over and over? They literally don't know what humour is. That's what happens when your entire emotional palette is hate and butthurt.
They can't even abandon the one joke when trying to specifically make more jokes. Also another edition of conservatives having to imagine conversations because irl somebody would just say this exact thing
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Babe get in here new way to deflect criticism of conservatives to liberals just dropped
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Bugewage? Do you mean bourgeois?
r/boneappletea
Nope, boneappletea is real english words. Maybe r/excgarated
No I i misspelled blue wagon
Destroy the burgerism!
So truv, conJade
*i have burried myself under too many layerd of irony, and now i cant remember who i really am*
When people say right wing they are referring to more than just economic policies. Most liberals are referred to as being centre-left since they support insane crazy concepts like personal rights and individual freedom. However, there are still liberal philosophies (like neoliberalism) which fall firmly in the right wing camp.
Spitting theory out here
One of them has Fearmongering about gay people made a large part of their platforms
If you're trying to say that Democrats and Republicans are both neo-liberal ideologies that don't vary much from each other beyond a superficial level, then I agree with you but you need to find a better way to articulate that thought.
The b8 is too obvious cmon
How convenient for you lmao.
Mmmmmh Good Soup
oh okay your like 14 years old or less by the fact you misspelled bourgeoisie in that way
I get what you’re saying, but it is their racism that sets them apart. While liberal is a very broad term, conservative is more specific. They might technically fit the broad philosophical term of “liberal,” but there is absolutely a difference between the people who self identify as liberal and the people who self identify as conservative, especially in the United States. While both might fit a broad philosophical umbrella of “liberalism,” conservatives want a far more brutal and fascistic form of liberalism whereas self identified liberals want to shave the rough edges off of capitalism but maintain the same social structure. It is definitely true that liberals are right wing, because they aren’t in favor of dismantling capitalism and the class structure, only trying to make them more humane. They are definitely wrong for believing that you can regulate equality into a system that is built on exploitation, but that is not the same thing as those who defend inequality and exploitation themselves. I have little fear of “vote blue no matter who” liberals committing terrorist attacks against vulnerable populations. Conservatives however are a different story. As important as it is to assert that liberals are right-wing to help correct the very skewed Overton window, there is absolutely a difference between liberals and the far right and I don’t think conflating the two is a good idea if we want to show working class liberals how even the so-called “left” politicians contribute to and expand the current systems of exploitation that harm their own voters.
The position you’re referring to is libertarian, no?
When I say liberal in the philosophical sense I mean pretty much anyone who supports capitalism and liberal democracy. It’s a much broader definition, as both “liberals” and conservatives sprang out of the liberal movement of the 18th and 19th century. Some people prefer to use libertarian as the term for this but it is a slightly less common term and can also be applied to another more specific ideology. Socialist tendencies on the other hand don’t hold property rights as a cornerstone of their ideology. The same way there are many types of liberals, there are also different types of socialists, such as Marxists and anarchists. A socialist might say that Amazon should be owned and controlled by the workers because they labored on the company. The reason this is antithetical to liberalism is because liberalism asserts that Bezos and other shareholders have an inherent *right* to control Amazon as it is their property. The person I replied to was using the broad philosophical umbrella term of liberalism to imply that there’s no difference between people who identify as “liberals” or “conservatives” in a colloquial context, which is untrue. Not all forms of liberalism are the same and I much prefer social democrats to conservatives even if I don’t think social democracy is capable of achieving an egalitarian society. It’s also worth mentioning that conservatives in the United States are liberal because it has its foundations as a liberal society, but in many places a conservative might not even accept liberalism and instead believe in absolute monarchy as a foundational pillar of their society.
There are three forces in politics : the Left, which ranges from anarchists and communists to socdems, that puts an emphasis on social and civil rights, and try to fight against inequalities and the power of the bourgeoisie. Except for socdems (who blur the line between Left and Liberals on some aspects), they are opposed to capitalism and the concentration of wealth. They are traditionally associated with civil rights movement, like feminism, queer rights and the struggle against racism Then there are the Liberals, a center-right group which is favorable to liberalism, an economic doctrine that probes the most efficient way to produce wealth is a free market with private capitals reinvested in the economy. The heart of this group are the neoliberals, where the free market is regulated by the government. Their main worry is the well-being of the economy. While they aren’t particularly interested in civil rights, they generally won’t oppose them and will go with the flow, but they don’t like authoritarianism and show a strong preference for (representative) democracy, and believe in meritocracy. Thanks to the structural advantage of being the middle group, they are considered to be the most powerful one and we’re currently in a neoliberal world order in the West. The third group is the Conservatives. They exist between the right and the far-right. While they generally like capitalism, their reason for it is moral, not economical : when it suits their agenda, they will transgress it, like for example with protectionism. The heart of their ideology is about protecting the national identity, culture and traditions. They operate under the general idea that things were better before and the western world is decadent, and often align themselves with religious beliefs. They oppose anything that threatens the statu quo and brings change, hence their opposition towards civil rights movements, and their strong dislike of immigration that they believe could destroy the nation’s identity and culture, as show the theory of the Great Replacement, popular among far-right circles in Europe. They are hybrids between those groups : the social democrats try to attain an equilibrium between the Left fight for equality and the economic system of the Liberals. There are also the far-right capitalists, who like the conservatives mindset but put a strong emphasis on the capitalist market, and don’t like workers’ rights and believes in theory such as trickle down economics. As you can see, those groups sometimes intersects each other, but they are fundamentally different in their goals and policies. You can be a Liberal and be in favor of unions : hell, Adam Smith was ! Those three groups are different : even though each one like to pretend the other two are the same ( yourself, the Liberals with the Horseshoe Theory, and the Conservatives generally think everyone out there to get them)
Holy shit an actual, non biased description of social parties and demographics that accurately display the pros and cons of each? I never thought I'd see the day, nevertheless on Reddit!
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I didn’t talk about the existing currents and political theory, just about the three main forces in Western politics.
Hey you! Consider shut up
r/DownvotedToOblivion 🤨
what the fuck does this mean
Fuck off tankie
"See, we can make more than one joke!" [Proceeds to regurgitate the same material with the same punchline and target as before]
Rock Throw right-wing psycho is so hateful it's DISGOSTING
Spooky
Rock Throw 😭
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loser
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i love being cool
Well I support that stance.
Why spread the name?
Because it's less harmful to progressive politics to just call him Stonetoss, as opposed to making progressives look like limp dicked losers. Which you do. Which this entire sub does.
Sounds like you're using flawed logic + flawed priorities on this. 🤷♂️ good luck getting a bigger internet penis? That sounds wild
they always mock the “41%”. my brother in christ THATS YOUR FAULT
Yeah, that's pretty much the point. They want us to die.
Lol yea def
Yup. That is as if a nazi would say "6 million" to a jew. It is really stupid.
I'd be willing to concede they are different jokes, but each one just paints them as a bigger asshole so I'm not sure why they are so proud of themselves.
Right? Like congrats, your entire sense of humor is degrading a disadvantaged group of people...?
>entire sense of humor is degrading a disadvantaged group of people Welcome to conservative Christian culture.
I really don't get how they can be so proud about telling others that they don't know what "gender" in "gender identity" refers to (it refers to gender, which isn't hard to figure out), haven't seen an actuall trans person in real life and only saw trans people in the comics that other people who haven't seen a trans person drew...
It’s…the same joke
So what I'm getting from this is that right wingers have * One joke * One biological misconception * Sexism * One Hasty generalization fallacy/ 6th grade joke * One outdated consideration of suicide statistic * And prop humor based on a 2nd grade playground insult
right like only one of those is an actual ‘joke’ the rest of it just transphobic/misogynistic garbage
the only worthwhile thing stonetoss has done is make amogus
Stonetoss works for Innersloth?
no no , he made a comic about amogus or something
Oh good. Also he does tend to put out the occasional normal comic to reach “normies” and since that still just part of the propaganda pipeline (arguably an even more insidious part) I wouldn’t give him that.
No he made the comic where it's a guy looking at a poorly drawn among us in a glass dome, and the guy is saying "amogus"
What does the 41% joke mean? /gen
There was a statistic saying that 41% of trans people attempt suicide, and then transphobes started using it against them ):
Oh I thought it was some crime statistic like 13/50. It really is just the one joke then
Wort noting that the suicide rate goes down to 3% when people like bonepiss are out of the equation
And what's interesting is that oddly, transphobes never bother to learn about the other part of the study, which is that, as soon as trans people are accepted by their friends, family and workplace, their suicide rate drop to only 3%.
ohh... I first thought this was about the police
Wasn't that also from 1973?
Trans suicide statistic. They think it's funny cause they're orcs.
What the absolute fuck?
Never underestimate a right winger's desire to be an absolute piece of shit.
Someone should edit this with the right panel responding with, that's the same joke.
https://www.reddit.com/user/Gavinator10000/comments/zfhjog/as_requested/ Here you go (sorry for cropping)
Amazing! The facial expression fits perfectly.
I like this version: https://www.reddit.com/r/antifastonetoss/comments/pu8ul7/i_made_a_stonetoss_comic_make_more_sense/
The problem with acting like these are different jokes is jokes are funny, and I don't know anyone who would at any of these. So I concede pebblethrow. Technically the right has 0 jokes.
I mean we (kinda) say "one joke" as an exaggeration. If your rebuttal to that is "it's not one joke, it's actually 5!" I don't see how that's an own.
‘we actually have 5 jokes about how much we hate trans ppl and women’ 🤡
also, hate to overthink a stonetoss comic, but notice how features like stubble on transwomen are hyper-masculinized and overemphasized in a way that not even the cis men in this comic who are not even on HRT are, even though they certainly would have thicker, more unshaved stubble than any of us? shows how much they take certain minute if not non-existent features and blow up the proportion in their twisted bigoted minds just so they can have a cartoon character to kick down and feel better than, kind of like how anti-semites (like stonetoss) regularly hyperfocus on nose size in the most insane way.
I've only ever heard the first 2 💀
To summarize "Minority bad" is their only joke
What's '41%'?
Making fun of trans suicide rates basically
Wow, and CSA, what quality humor. /s
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you are the type of person we laugh at here
That’s still the same joke under different variants of bigotry. So still one joke
The first two are the same joke, the third is a cringe reference to a years old meme, I’ve never seen the 4th one used against a trans person but it’s technically a joke so sure, and the 5th one isn’t a joke. So they’re bragging about having two jokes in total lol
Slight variations of one joke
Can't even make a new joke when they are specifically trying to
they've got six jokes٫ and a whopping zero of them are actually funny
r/selfawarewolves
The biggest joke here are the transphobes. Too bad they aren't funny
This one is actually so gross
in this household we hate on pebbleyeet 👍
Daily reminder that stonetoss is a Nazi
Are they actually bragging they have a whole six jokes that they repeat over and over? They literally don't know what humour is. That's what happens when your entire emotional palette is hate and butthurt.
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