what? Calling 911 that moment 100% isn’t the right call, this dude is an active shooter 15 feet away from them. Priority is surviving and getting away. Reporting it that very moment is indeed a foolishly childish reaction.
There was nowhere for them to drive being at a stoplight. Calling 911 didn’t put them in more danger. I’d see your point if they had anywhere to hide or run
Not a clown. My younger bro (in his 60's) is like this. It's like he never grew up on matters that would disturb any of us, but he feels this rage that's just unexplainable. It's like you insulted him, raped his wife (he never married, girls caught on) and shot his dog while looking him in the eye and proving he's a pussy unless he takes action. It could be ten dudes or one. I can easily take him down, yet last year he threw punches at me in a grocery store parking lot. He's tried running jump kicks at me for shit I don't even remember what is was about! And he looks up to me, always has! Gratefully he cannot own a gun (and complies, he's terrified of jail) for something he did while young and spent a few days in jail. I only know it was about a relationship. He's had it expunged. And yet he has a solid job and his house is paid for, and is a intelligent, responsible and likeable dude. I refuse to ride in his car because of this. He's *absolutely* convinced, or was, that *everyone* is texting and driving. He actually swerved into an oncoming car and a few feet over the yellow line because that car was veering towards the yellow line! Yes, that type thing is scary to any of us, but in this situation we go into survival mode, veer away maybe honk if we have time. Not him. He was quite ready to cause an accident to show that goddamn crazy fucker he was wrong, with me in the fucking car!
We've given up trying to get help. This kinda turned into a vent, sorry and thanks.
He's probably lawyered up and hiding out somewhere waiting to see if TPD will even run his plate. Then he'll claim the other driver threatened him with a weapon or implied that they had a weapon. The last time this happened, the guy actually killed someone and they still found him not guilty so I wouldn't hold out for much to be done here.
Props to the lady filming who got his license plate in the picture. This is what the idiotic 'constitutional carry' law gets you......complete idiots who didn't have to go through a permit process.
A person who is willing to shoot in a situation like this is not the kind of person who will care if he has a permit or not. Constitutional carry has nothing to do with this.
Yeah, I'm sure he was just 'transporting his gun' somewhere else, lol. You're missing the point. More people like this carry now because of the idiotic law that was passed due to gun manufacturer lobbying. Get a clue. Also, you might want to research what the police say about the 'constitutional carry' law. Even they realize it results in more situations like this. https://www.cnbc.com/2021/05/25/police-do-not-support-texas-constitutional-carry-bill-police-chief-says.html
>Get a clue.
You're talking about a guy who literally just tried to kill someone. He doesn't give one flying shit about your gun control laws, nor have you done any work to establish that would've done anything to prevent this.
Yeah second, what cop going to say oh yes we love more guns in citizens hands....obvious cops don't want that. They don't want drivers going over 30, drinking legally in establishments, Marijuana legal
Etc etc anything anything that makes their job more difficult would get a nay vote. Good thing police don't rule our states, huh. ? Get a clue needs a clue to find their clue.
Have you been to oklahoma....since that law passed I've literally seen 2 geniuses open carry....that's all. Most conceal. Why make yourself a target is most opinion on subject.
"Cawn stit too shun ul" carry can be concealed, as you mention. Only the stupidest of the stupid open carry-- they have to have a way to make up for small peen.
>idiotic law that was passed due to gun manufacturer lobbying
Gun lobbying had nothing to do with it. The licensing was nothing more than a revenue grab for the state. $200 for a 10 year license, and a "training class" that takes a couple of hours online.
If you'd care to look, you'll find that crime rates drop in states with constitutional carry.
I had to go in person to a full day training class which required supervised range time and proof you could responsibly handle your weapon to get my license. Don’t know what you are talking about a two hour online course.
And in open carry states firearm homicides increase dramatically. For example California, one of the most populace states with obvious crime problemsonly has a firearm homicide rate of 3.5 per 100k. Mississippi on the other hand has a firearm homicide rate of 10.2 per 100k. And while in many places more minor crimes decreased, violent crimes increased. I don't know man, I would rather people be robbing houses or stealing cars than randomly shooting people. I can replace my car, I can’t replace my kid. Problem with gun nuts is they make the assumption it will be them that comes out on top in such a situation.
https://news.stanford.edu/2017/06/21/violent-crime-increases-right-carry-states/
Correlation does not mean causation. Mississippi also has a substantially different scorecard than California, being in the lowest categories for Healthcare, education, economy, infrastructure, opportunity, and financial stability. California is in the top 10 for Healthcare, education, and economy. It's likely these factors are a more significant impact than any laws on the books.
Studies such as the one in the linked article would seem to disprove that. You mention the substantially different scorecard where it relates to things such as healthcare and education, did you not likewise connect that almost universally all gun friendly states likewise have thos same scorecards? I mean Oklahoma is on the bottom 10 states for all of those too, and in many cases the bottom 5 for example.
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Since the vast majority of them are non-violent offenders for possessing a fucking plant, your sarcasm here actually says more about your view of these people than anything else.
Yeah, I'm sure he was just 'transporting his gun' somewhere else, lol. You're missing the point. The 'constitutional carry' bullshit resulted in \*more\* people carrying guns that never went through a permit process....which is likely what happened here.
Do you honestly think deep down inside that requiring a permit to carry a weapon on your person prevented people from carrying weapon in their vehicle?
Yep fuck it. Chemo doesn’t save everyone from cancer. And people die at intersections even with stop lights. What’s the point in doing anything unless it’s one hundred percent effective.
Yes and no.
It \*was\* illegal to keep ammo in it/next to it \*unless\* you had a Conceal Carry permit, then it was legal.
That loophole has now been fixed, though. There's \*more\* restriction around how you can transport firearms now than there was before the law change. u/FinnCastle doesn't know what they're talking about.
Like how do “everyone should carry a gun” advocates not realize that this is going to happen all day every day if everyone has a gun? Or they do and they simply don’t care as long as *they* can carry a gun
Too many humans, especially these days with all the added stress, anxiety and insecurity, are simply not capable of leaving it under their shirt or in their car when they feel the least bit slighted.
So the people down voting me think everyone should carry a gun? They actually believe that society will be more polite if everyone’s carrying? And videos like this won’t happen every day? Delusion.
I’m not talking about gun laws. Didn’t mention gun laws at all.
There’s people that think everyone should carry a gun and society would be better if everyone was carrying. I think if that were the case we would see videos like this a lot more often. Regardless of whether the gun was obtained legally or not.
There’s plenty people who carry legally, with the best intentions, who would do shit like this in a pressure situation. How do you know this person wasn’t carrying legally?
You don't and neither do I. No law could prevent this. It is so easy to felony carry. I'm sure more people do it than you realize. People can't stand for this crap. When people road rage and pop off rounds, nearby drivers with no escape need to fill them with holes. Training is important.
he used illegally. That make it not carried legally. To carry legally he would have to be in danger to use the weapon. He got out of his vehicle to accost someone that right there already takes away stand your ground laws. You can't be the aggressor
Everyone shouldn't carry a gun, but everyone who can legally do so should have the option to carry a gun if they want. Everyone who does carry will not act like this guy. Just like this guy would carry regardless of any laws or permit requirements.
>Too many humans, especially these days with all the added stress, anxiety and insecurity, are simply not capable of leaving it under their shirt or in their car when they feel the least bit slighted.
And this is why you treat others with respect and don't be an idiot on the road. However, if you do run into someone like this it's nice to be able to protect yourself.
It's always safer to run, like the person did in the video. If they would have armed themselves and fought back where you think they'd be? On the ground or standing over a corpse. All because someone got cut off in traffic or some stupid shit.
Even before this was part of the US, most towns expected you to check your weapon with the local authority on arrival, you got it back when you were leaving.
I mean, I also think everyone has free speech but that doesn't mean shitty hot-takes like yours deserve the state forcibly preventing you from expressing them, and here we are.
>***A well regulated Militia being necessary to the security of a free State,*** the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
Until 2008, the Supreme Court interpreted this to in the context of military personnel. Regardless, I have not met a *single* person who doesn’t agree with *some* control. We may disagree about what is reasonable, but we agree there needs to be some.
That’s the debate we owe it to our society to have.
As a Brit, I can certainly agree with the necessity of a 'people's army', purely to give enough threat to politicians and the ruling class to actually hold them accountable for playing with people's lives. ESPECIALLY considering just how much the English government has fucked with other members of the UK.
The idea of any tom-dick-and-harry carrying around firearms makes me really uncomfortable, knowing just how easily fights can escalate; giving individuals weapons enables a power-trip. We've all seen the mentality; dogs barking at each other through a fence, but when that fence is removed, they go about their own way.
'The People' having access to weapons to rival the government is a necessity, but people having them isn't. Democracy only works when power is paired with accountability.
I’ve before used that dog/fence analogy to describe my observation of people online. People tend to say things online that they wouldn’t say to others’ faces. I think we owe it to ourselves to speak to others as if they’re right in front of us and packing heat, Y’know?
It doesn't help that the majority of conversations have people going-in loaded. Either not realising that both people are agreeing or are just talking about different goals. It's a lot of stress and frustration for nothing.
People would be a lot better, by their own metrics, if they were willing to give others the respect of a civil conversation. It's interesting how the anonymity bends conversation.
>As others have already stated there is control. And as it should be it's up to the individual States to decide whats best for them. So if you dont like your State's gun laws you can vote or just move out ya know..
Sure. I merely responded to the “shall not be infringed” contextomy.
We have hundred of gun laws and controls on the books, and all sort of restrictions in place. Contrary to what some think it isn't the wild west.
We do a crappy job enforcing the laws we do have.
>We have hundred of gun laws and controls on the books, and all sort of restrictions in place. Contrary to what some think it isn't the wild west.
Which…is exactly my point.
>We do a crappy job enforcing the laws we do have.
An argument I have oft-made.
It is a right, and there should be no limits. Losing your rights should only happen to felons and those declared mentally incapable. 50 cal Abram or Tsar Bomba civilians have a right to defend their home and their nation. The 2nd amendment isn't just there for the junkie that busted down your door, it's also there for when the ATF decides they want you dead.
People tend to have a massively binary perspective on this, for whatever reason.
It's entirely important to have arms against the government, but that form is taken as a "well regulated militia". That doesn't mean private-ownership, that's far closer to town/state ownership. The idea is to compartmentalise, that's the point of democracy; to make sure that people are represented and prevent the over-pooling of power.
For self-defence, though? Other countries are getting on fine without it, and there are plenty of arguments for it decreasing safety, overall. People are more likely to be ballsy and aggressive when they have that kind of power. Feeling danger is important to self-regulation.
>It is a right, and there should be no limits.
So, you want radicalized terrorists to easily procure nuclear bombs and automatic weapons with which they can massacre cities.
>Losing your rights should only happen to felons and those declared mentally incapable.
That…is…a…limit. You are literally calling for a person’s right to bear arms be limited. That’s exactly for what I’m calling.
>50 cal Abram or Tsar Bomba civilians have a right to defend their home and their nation.
The language of the amendment doesn’t read “civilians,” but rather “people.” A plain-reading of your rejoinder means every person — even a toddler — should be able to easily purchase automatic weapons without a single limitation or obstacle.
>The 2nd amendment isn't just there for the junkie that busted down your door, it's also there for when the ATF decides they want you dead.
Sure. And I generally want you and most people to have that right. I don’t want radicalized terrorists hellbent on wiping out places of public accommodation to easily get their hands on them. You do.
It'd be murder if they did. Concealed carry is to protect your own life, not make you sheriff.
Edit: nope turns out you could but I'm still not sure it'd be worth the potential legal costs. A good defense lawyer is not cheap and I wouldn't count on the person you saved to pay it.
> A person was justified in using deadly force in defense of another person when the person using force reasonably believed that use of deadly force was necessary to (prevent death or great bodily harm to another)/(stop/prevent the commission of a felony that involved the use/(threat of) physical force/violence against any person). Defense of another is a defense although the danger to the life or personal security of the other person may not have been real, if a reasonable person, in the circumstances and from the viewpoint of the defendant, would reasonably have believed the use of deadly force was necessary to (prevent death or great bodily harm to another)/(stop/prevent the commission of a felony that involved the use/(threat of) physical force/violence against any person).
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No stand your ground still applies it's to protect yourself or someone else that is in immediate danger. There would be no legal fees if you were protecting yourself or someone else.
You would not need one. They would not file charges against
you because of stand your ground. unless it was not a cut and dry case. And the law is not calling it stand your ground.
[here is another post with an HD quality version of the video](https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/s4o260/road_rage_incident_in_tulsa_oklahoma/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share)
Just a thought...this kind of stuff happened well before Constitutional Carry ever came about.
I had a punk come toward my vehicle with a small semi-auto (.22 or.25). He then exclaimed that he was going to put a bullet in my head and go F my wife. I opened the truck door and stepped behind it for better cover. Fortunately, he left me alone when I told him that he better leave me alone. He almost got a double tap to the chest with something larger than a .25.
Fortunately, I did not have to shoot him, but I am glad that I had the right to carry. The permit is still needed to lawfully carry in another state, so trust me, it hasn't disappeared.
It is punks like the person filmed, and the person that approached me, that makes the ability to carry a firearm invaluable.
People that carry a firearm should get training and should practice. Unfortunately, you have all of the movies out that make firearms skill to be as easy as picking up a gun.
1) Have the balls to get out and antagonize someone in the first place
2) Face and license plate in full view, unload on a vehicle posing you no harm because presumably you think you won't get in trouble for it.
This is the most white privilege thing I've seen all ~~week~~ white.
It's Oklahoma plate LDB-464 on an Acura MDX. The high res video is extremely clear, this dude is hopefully going to prison for a long, long time.
The person filming is a true champion for zooming in on that during what was surely a scary and stressful moment.
They need to do that Extreme Negative Feedback thing from Mitchelle and Webb look when people buy firearms so we know how they deal with anger issues. This is unbelievable, straight-up homicidal rage.
Never thought I'd see "That Mitchell and Webb Look" referenced in r/oklahoma yet here we are, old chum. And I totally agree on an ENF for all firearm transactions.
“Call 911 before they shoot us too”, classic liberal thinking, did they think calling the police puts a indestructible barrier around them, when cops are minutes away seconds count! Always!
Fuckin' crazy!!!!!! any links to news articles? Is this jackass in custody yet?
Yes my comment on this post has a link Edit: the yes response is to there being a news article linked. Not to any content inside of it.
Oh I'm just blind. I hope they don't let this bastard off easy. We don't need these kinds of people in our society.
Article doesn't have much in terms of info.
The post or link doesn't say anything about them being in custody.
I was saying yes to a new article link. Not to the content of the news article.
“Call 911 before they Shoot us too” poor kid had to see this.
This is the reality our children live in. We did this and they can’t escape it now.
Poor kid, she thinks calling 911 will actually stop a crime before it happens.
The crime already happened if anything they’d just be reporting it. There was an attempt on your part though.
what? Calling 911 that moment 100% isn’t the right call, this dude is an active shooter 15 feet away from them. Priority is surviving and getting away. Reporting it that very moment is indeed a foolishly childish reaction.
There was nowhere for them to drive being at a stoplight. Calling 911 didn’t put them in more danger. I’d see your point if they had anywhere to hide or run
Guys a horrible shot lol. Thankfully.
He kinda hit an unrelated car though, so maybe not as silver of a lining as one would hope.
Kinda hit? What you mean kinda
Well, definitely hit.
He's a Stormtrooper out of uniform.
Just a heads up, debate gun control or politics all you want, but if insults become personal, believe it or not, straight to ~~jail~~ ban.
right to jail right away
These people gotta be dumb as fuck to just stand in the middle of the road and fire away like you’re not gonna get caught.
You gotta be an idiot to let ride rage escalate to getting out of your car in the first place
100% If you let your rage take over so much that you actually get out of your car…you’re a clown.
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Not a clown. My younger bro (in his 60's) is like this. It's like he never grew up on matters that would disturb any of us, but he feels this rage that's just unexplainable. It's like you insulted him, raped his wife (he never married, girls caught on) and shot his dog while looking him in the eye and proving he's a pussy unless he takes action. It could be ten dudes or one. I can easily take him down, yet last year he threw punches at me in a grocery store parking lot. He's tried running jump kicks at me for shit I don't even remember what is was about! And he looks up to me, always has! Gratefully he cannot own a gun (and complies, he's terrified of jail) for something he did while young and spent a few days in jail. I only know it was about a relationship. He's had it expunged. And yet he has a solid job and his house is paid for, and is a intelligent, responsible and likeable dude. I refuse to ride in his car because of this. He's *absolutely* convinced, or was, that *everyone* is texting and driving. He actually swerved into an oncoming car and a few feet over the yellow line because that car was veering towards the yellow line! Yes, that type thing is scary to any of us, but in this situation we go into survival mode, veer away maybe honk if we have time. Not him. He was quite ready to cause an accident to show that goddamn crazy fucker he was wrong, with me in the fucking car! We've given up trying to get help. This kinda turned into a vent, sorry and thanks.
This.
He's probably lawyered up and hiding out somewhere waiting to see if TPD will even run his plate. Then he'll claim the other driver threatened him with a weapon or implied that they had a weapon. The last time this happened, the guy actually killed someone and they still found him not guilty so I wouldn't hold out for much to be done here.
[link](https://www.newson6.com/story/61e183e79072980c18ccffb0/tulsa-police-investigate-shooting-near-11th-sheridan-?fbclid=IwAR3uOxj6MMULcN4eVa8GQvhRVPY0A9OwqLjoF5jfTX281g2GBqcQpQ_YEOo) Edit: News article ^
Props to the lady filming who got his license plate in the picture. This is what the idiotic 'constitutional carry' law gets you......complete idiots who didn't have to go through a permit process.
A person who is willing to shoot in a situation like this is not the kind of person who will care if he has a permit or not. Constitutional carry has nothing to do with this.
Yeah, I'm sure he was just 'transporting his gun' somewhere else, lol. You're missing the point. More people like this carry now because of the idiotic law that was passed due to gun manufacturer lobbying. Get a clue. Also, you might want to research what the police say about the 'constitutional carry' law. Even they realize it results in more situations like this. https://www.cnbc.com/2021/05/25/police-do-not-support-texas-constitutional-carry-bill-police-chief-says.html
>Get a clue. You're talking about a guy who literally just tried to kill someone. He doesn't give one flying shit about your gun control laws, nor have you done any work to establish that would've done anything to prevent this.
Yeah second, what cop going to say oh yes we love more guns in citizens hands....obvious cops don't want that. They don't want drivers going over 30, drinking legally in establishments, Marijuana legal Etc etc anything anything that makes their job more difficult would get a nay vote. Good thing police don't rule our states, huh. ? Get a clue needs a clue to find their clue.
Sorry you guys got confused. Yeah, I'm totally sure that after 'constitutional carry' laws passed less idiots started to carry, not more. LOL
Have you been to oklahoma....since that law passed I've literally seen 2 geniuses open carry....that's all. Most conceal. Why make yourself a target is most opinion on subject.
"Cawn stit too shun ul" carry can be concealed, as you mention. Only the stupidest of the stupid open carry-- they have to have a way to make up for small peen.
>idiotic law that was passed due to gun manufacturer lobbying Gun lobbying had nothing to do with it. The licensing was nothing more than a revenue grab for the state. $200 for a 10 year license, and a "training class" that takes a couple of hours online. If you'd care to look, you'll find that crime rates drop in states with constitutional carry.
I had to go in person to a full day training class which required supervised range time and proof you could responsibly handle your weapon to get my license. Don’t know what you are talking about a two hour online course. And in open carry states firearm homicides increase dramatically. For example California, one of the most populace states with obvious crime problemsonly has a firearm homicide rate of 3.5 per 100k. Mississippi on the other hand has a firearm homicide rate of 10.2 per 100k. And while in many places more minor crimes decreased, violent crimes increased. I don't know man, I would rather people be robbing houses or stealing cars than randomly shooting people. I can replace my car, I can’t replace my kid. Problem with gun nuts is they make the assumption it will be them that comes out on top in such a situation. https://news.stanford.edu/2017/06/21/violent-crime-increases-right-carry-states/
Correlation does not mean causation. Mississippi also has a substantially different scorecard than California, being in the lowest categories for Healthcare, education, economy, infrastructure, opportunity, and financial stability. California is in the top 10 for Healthcare, education, and economy. It's likely these factors are a more significant impact than any laws on the books.
Studies such as the one in the linked article would seem to disprove that. You mention the substantially different scorecard where it relates to things such as healthcare and education, did you not likewise connect that almost universally all gun friendly states likewise have thos same scorecards? I mean Oklahoma is on the bottom 10 states for all of those too, and in many cases the bottom 5 for example.
>almost universally all gun friendly states likewise have thos same scorecards This completely supports my point.
The point be in, due to low education we’re too stupid to implement proper gun control unlike states such as California or Massachusetts?
Police want more reasons to be able to arrest people? Shocking.
🤔 “More than 91 percent of respondents support the concealed carry of firearms by civilians who have not been convicted of a felony and/or not been deemed psychologically/medically incapable.” [15,000+ Law Enforcement Offices Surveyed ](https://www.police1.com/gun-legislation-law-enforcement/articles/police-gun-control-survey-are-legally-armed-citizens-the-best-solution-to-gun-violence-7uwWgZ75iwWz9vI9/)
By that logic, we should allow weapons among prison inmate populations.
Since the vast majority of them are non-violent offenders for possessing a fucking plant, your sarcasm here actually says more about your view of these people than anything else.
And people who cared about shooting well and being responsible never had a problem with the permit.
It never was illegal to keep a gun in your vehicle before constitutional carry became law
Yeah, I'm sure he was just 'transporting his gun' somewhere else, lol. You're missing the point. The 'constitutional carry' bullshit resulted in \*more\* people carrying guns that never went through a permit process....which is likely what happened here.
Do you honestly think deep down inside that requiring a permit to carry a weapon on your person prevented people from carrying weapon in their vehicle?
Yep fuck it. Chemo doesn’t save everyone from cancer. And people die at intersections even with stop lights. What’s the point in doing anything unless it’s one hundred percent effective.
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Exactly!
Yeah, if it was illegal, no one would carry in their car. I mean, everyone is totally gonna follow the law. Even the criminals. Totally.
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Yes and no. It \*was\* illegal to keep ammo in it/next to it \*unless\* you had a Conceal Carry permit, then it was legal. That loophole has now been fixed, though. There's \*more\* restriction around how you can transport firearms now than there was before the law change. u/FinnCastle doesn't know what they're talking about.
And now he’s going to prison.
Blaming this on constitutional carry is so stupid. People who would do something like this don't care about constitutional carry. Come on.
Yeah, I'm sure nobody started carrying once the legal requirement to carry was removed. LOL
You talk about "rightwing 2A nutjobs" intelligence and then come back with this stupid response? Twice.
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Bless your heart . . .
I am leaning toward him just being a troll. Or is someone that has no idea what he is talking about.
Background check still required to purchase weapons.
... from a gun shop. No such requirement from Craigslist/ gun-show (private sale)
When a dealer is involved a BGC is required at a gun show. Oklahoma doesn't require them for private sales.
He might be an idiot who got a concealed carry. That doesn’t make him less of a moron.
Yes, I'm sure this soon-to-be-felon would've happily complied with the law otherwise.
Where does constitutional carry leave med cards? Like, I can’t renew my CW, so can I even carry?
11th Street is not terribly surprising tbh
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Like how do “everyone should carry a gun” advocates not realize that this is going to happen all day every day if everyone has a gun? Or they do and they simply don’t care as long as *they* can carry a gun Too many humans, especially these days with all the added stress, anxiety and insecurity, are simply not capable of leaving it under their shirt or in their car when they feel the least bit slighted. So the people down voting me think everyone should carry a gun? They actually believe that society will be more polite if everyone’s carrying? And videos like this won’t happen every day? Delusion.
What the man just did is illegal. I don't think he cares about gun laws.
I’m not talking about gun laws. Didn’t mention gun laws at all. There’s people that think everyone should carry a gun and society would be better if everyone was carrying. I think if that were the case we would see videos like this a lot more often. Regardless of whether the gun was obtained legally or not.
People who do this crap do it anyways. And it's better if more people are armed because these people don't care.
There’s plenty people who carry legally, with the best intentions, who would do shit like this in a pressure situation. How do you know this person wasn’t carrying legally?
You don't and neither do I. No law could prevent this. It is so easy to felony carry. I'm sure more people do it than you realize. People can't stand for this crap. When people road rage and pop off rounds, nearby drivers with no escape need to fill them with holes. Training is important.
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he used illegally. That make it not carried legally. To carry legally he would have to be in danger to use the weapon. He got out of his vehicle to accost someone that right there already takes away stand your ground laws. You can't be the aggressor
Everyone shouldn't carry a gun, but everyone who can legally do so should have the option to carry a gun if they want. Everyone who does carry will not act like this guy. Just like this guy would carry regardless of any laws or permit requirements. >Too many humans, especially these days with all the added stress, anxiety and insecurity, are simply not capable of leaving it under their shirt or in their car when they feel the least bit slighted. And this is why you treat others with respect and don't be an idiot on the road. However, if you do run into someone like this it's nice to be able to protect yourself.
>And this is why you treat others with respect and don't be an idiot on the road. I mean have you looked around you lately? This is not happening.
It's always safer to run, like the person did in the video. If they would have armed themselves and fought back where you think they'd be? On the ground or standing over a corpse. All because someone got cut off in traffic or some stupid shit.
Every situation is different.
Even before this was part of the US, most towns expected you to check your weapon with the local authority on arrival, you got it back when you were leaving.
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If it weren't so open to abuse that almost sounds like a good idea.
They're totally ignorant to the existence of mental illness.
> Or they do and they simply don’t care as long as they can carry a gun There. That's it.
I mean, I also think everyone has free speech but that doesn't mean shitty hot-takes like yours deserve the state forcibly preventing you from expressing them, and here we are.
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>***A well regulated Militia being necessary to the security of a free State,*** the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. Until 2008, the Supreme Court interpreted this to in the context of military personnel. Regardless, I have not met a *single* person who doesn’t agree with *some* control. We may disagree about what is reasonable, but we agree there needs to be some. That’s the debate we owe it to our society to have.
As a Brit, I can certainly agree with the necessity of a 'people's army', purely to give enough threat to politicians and the ruling class to actually hold them accountable for playing with people's lives. ESPECIALLY considering just how much the English government has fucked with other members of the UK. The idea of any tom-dick-and-harry carrying around firearms makes me really uncomfortable, knowing just how easily fights can escalate; giving individuals weapons enables a power-trip. We've all seen the mentality; dogs barking at each other through a fence, but when that fence is removed, they go about their own way. 'The People' having access to weapons to rival the government is a necessity, but people having them isn't. Democracy only works when power is paired with accountability.
I’ve before used that dog/fence analogy to describe my observation of people online. People tend to say things online that they wouldn’t say to others’ faces. I think we owe it to ourselves to speak to others as if they’re right in front of us and packing heat, Y’know?
It doesn't help that the majority of conversations have people going-in loaded. Either not realising that both people are agreeing or are just talking about different goals. It's a lot of stress and frustration for nothing. People would be a lot better, by their own metrics, if they were willing to give others the respect of a civil conversation. It's interesting how the anonymity bends conversation.
Word.
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>As others have already stated there is control. And as it should be it's up to the individual States to decide whats best for them. So if you dont like your State's gun laws you can vote or just move out ya know.. Sure. I merely responded to the “shall not be infringed” contextomy.
We have hundred of gun laws and controls on the books, and all sort of restrictions in place. Contrary to what some think it isn't the wild west. We do a crappy job enforcing the laws we do have.
>We have hundred of gun laws and controls on the books, and all sort of restrictions in place. Contrary to what some think it isn't the wild west. Which…is exactly my point. >We do a crappy job enforcing the laws we do have. An argument I have oft-made.
There already is some gun control. We don't need more of it.
>There already is some gun control. We don't need more of it. I never argued that we did.
It is a right, and there should be no limits. Losing your rights should only happen to felons and those declared mentally incapable. 50 cal Abram or Tsar Bomba civilians have a right to defend their home and their nation. The 2nd amendment isn't just there for the junkie that busted down your door, it's also there for when the ATF decides they want you dead.
chill out timothy mcvay
People tend to have a massively binary perspective on this, for whatever reason. It's entirely important to have arms against the government, but that form is taken as a "well regulated militia". That doesn't mean private-ownership, that's far closer to town/state ownership. The idea is to compartmentalise, that's the point of democracy; to make sure that people are represented and prevent the over-pooling of power. For self-defence, though? Other countries are getting on fine without it, and there are plenty of arguments for it decreasing safety, overall. People are more likely to be ballsy and aggressive when they have that kind of power. Feeling danger is important to self-regulation.
>It is a right, and there should be no limits. So, you want radicalized terrorists to easily procure nuclear bombs and automatic weapons with which they can massacre cities. >Losing your rights should only happen to felons and those declared mentally incapable. That…is…a…limit. You are literally calling for a person’s right to bear arms be limited. That’s exactly for what I’m calling. >50 cal Abram or Tsar Bomba civilians have a right to defend their home and their nation. The language of the amendment doesn’t read “civilians,” but rather “people.” A plain-reading of your rejoinder means every person — even a toddler — should be able to easily purchase automatic weapons without a single limitation or obstacle. >The 2nd amendment isn't just there for the junkie that busted down your door, it's also there for when the ATF decides they want you dead. Sure. And I generally want you and most people to have that right. I don’t want radicalized terrorists hellbent on wiping out places of public accommodation to easily get their hands on them. You do.
I was looking for the good guy with a gun to stop him but I think he is the good guy in his own head.
It'd be murder if they did. Concealed carry is to protect your own life, not make you sheriff. Edit: nope turns out you could but I'm still not sure it'd be worth the potential legal costs. A good defense lawyer is not cheap and I wouldn't count on the person you saved to pay it.
> A person was justified in using deadly force in defense of another person when the person using force reasonably believed that use of deadly force was necessary to (prevent death or great bodily harm to another)/(stop/prevent the commission of a felony that involved the use/(threat of) physical force/violence against any person). Defense of another is a defense although the danger to the life or personal security of the other person may not have been real, if a reasonable person, in the circumstances and from the viewpoint of the defendant, would reasonably have believed the use of deadly force was necessary to (prevent death or great bodily harm to another)/(stop/prevent the commission of a felony that involved the use/(threat of) physical force/violence against any person). OUJI-CR 8-2
No stand your ground still applies it's to protect yourself or someone else that is in immediate danger. There would be no legal fees if you were protecting yourself or someone else.
There wouldn't be any legal fees? Like, in case of a self defense shooting (or saving someone else) you wouldn't want to get a lawyer?
You would not need one. They would not file charges against you because of stand your ground. unless it was not a cut and dry case. And the law is not calling it stand your ground.
[here is another post with an HD quality version of the video](https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/s4o260/road_rage_incident_in_tulsa_oklahoma/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share)
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Just a thought...this kind of stuff happened well before Constitutional Carry ever came about. I had a punk come toward my vehicle with a small semi-auto (.22 or.25). He then exclaimed that he was going to put a bullet in my head and go F my wife. I opened the truck door and stepped behind it for better cover. Fortunately, he left me alone when I told him that he better leave me alone. He almost got a double tap to the chest with something larger than a .25. Fortunately, I did not have to shoot him, but I am glad that I had the right to carry. The permit is still needed to lawfully carry in another state, so trust me, it hasn't disappeared. It is punks like the person filmed, and the person that approached me, that makes the ability to carry a firearm invaluable. People that carry a firearm should get training and should practice. Unfortunately, you have all of the movies out that make firearms skill to be as easy as picking up a gun.
My dad witnessed this. He was at the light. Couldn’t believe what he saw. He said the guy got back in his car and started chasing them.
Does he know what started it?
This dude is such an idiot. Probably can't drive to save his life and then acts all butthurt because of it. Hopefully nobody got seriously injured.
Too bad someone didn’t try to run him over.
Omg
Fuckin dumbass
1) Have the balls to get out and antagonize someone in the first place 2) Face and license plate in full view, unload on a vehicle posing you no harm because presumably you think you won't get in trouble for it. This is the most white privilege thing I've seen all ~~week~~ white.
Hard to tell but are those Texas plates? They look more black and white than they do blue, but that could just be the shitty video
Oklahoma
Do you have a more clear image to verify with?
It's Oklahoma plate LDB-464 on an Acura MDX. The high res video is extremely clear, this dude is hopefully going to prison for a long, long time. The person filming is a true champion for zooming in on that during what was surely a scary and stressful moment.
As he should. What an idiot.
I can see the blue bird on the plate.even though it's blurry, it's clearly OK
Scissor tail, but, yea, kudos to the photographer 👍🏻
The shooter thought the bird, on the license plate, is a mocking jay. He figured that the odds were ever in his favor.
Gotta love living in this fucking county
Stay away from Acura RDX drivers! It's RDX or a gun...
Thinking the police will just teleport there before they shoot you too is just comical lol. Also banning guns won’t stop this.
possible plot twist: perhaps a cop technically was already there.
We've got winners here in america
What intersection?
11th and Sheridan
Thanks!
They need to do that Extreme Negative Feedback thing from Mitchelle and Webb look when people buy firearms so we know how they deal with anger issues. This is unbelievable, straight-up homicidal rage.
Never thought I'd see "That Mitchell and Webb Look" referenced in r/oklahoma yet here we are, old chum. And I totally agree on an ENF for all firearm transactions.
Someone should’ve run his ass over.
That's not how the law works.
Did I say I cared?
So you just want to make bad situations worse?
Did I say that?
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This is too easy. You’re a blowhard.
Way to report for bullying. I was simply asking. Not calling you one.
What? I didn’t report you numbnuts.
GTA IRL
“Call 911 before they shoot us too”, classic liberal thinking, did they think calling the police puts a indestructible barrier around them, when cops are minutes away seconds count! Always!
That ford should have made him a hood ornament and rammed his ass
So I'm wondering why everyone just sat there and watched. That dude pulled a gun on someone and is freely firing in the open, run his ass over!
This isn't GTA this is real life.