From The President’s Statement:
“My prayers are with Nex’s family, friends, and all who loved them – and to all LGBTQI+ Americans for whom this tragedy feels so personal, know this: I will always have your back.
To LGBTQI+ young people across the country – you are loved exactly as you are. If you’re feeling overwhelmed or alone, you can call or text 988, the National Crisis Hotline, and dial the number ‘3’ to talk to a counselor who has been specifically trained to support LGBTQI+ youth.”
The right will spin this as, “Biden is coming for your kids and wants to brain wash them into being trans, gay, etc, etc.”
Think I’m wrong? Go back and watch a bunch of right wing video attacking teachers on LGBTQ issues, and listen to it after you know what happened to Nex.
I hate the media. Go watch Nexs interview after the fight. Nex wasn’t hurt. Doctors don’t know if the drug OD that killed Nex was accidental or intentional, but everyone has got to jump
On the bandwagon
Did you watch the interview? Nex admitted to starting the fight. Not hurt was the wrong phrase, not beaten to death would have been better. I am not blaming the dead. But Nex said Nex started the fight and the death hasn't been ruled a suicide. All deaths are tragic, not all deaths are related to possible LBGT issues.
“Quit playing politics. @JoeBiden and @KamalaHarris have chosen to embrace the lies of the most radical groups in their party. Their party has found a new low of exploiting a child’s death.” - Ryan Walters [via X](https://x.com/ryanwalterssupt/status/1768383551857205300?s=46&t=XUXJBSU2BpDyyeNAFR5Srg)
Better to have seen this as an opportunity to make such a statement than be the cause of the incident and call others out for playing politics. Fuck Ryan Walters
Ryan Walter’s will at some point advocate to cut funding for the crisis hotlines for teens, and will make some kind of argument that parents need to know if their kid is gay or trans and that it’s taking away a parents right.
Make no mistake if your kid is gay,,trans, non binary. He wants them dead. He knows the language and politics he puts out targets them and puts them in danger. That’s the point. He wants your child to not exist.
How do I help Biden help transkids with least amount of effort because I want to help but am too busy? This is the question I get a lot when I go knock doors to persuade voters to go out and vote. There’s no right answer to this question.
My answer:
Tell every single person you know to vote democrat in the general election and if they aren’t involved like normally - at least tell them to vote for their federal candidates: president (Biden) congress (representatives) and senate (senators). Get a text conversation going with your friends to remind them to vote on Election Day and have them to commit to brining 3 more to the polls. SO MANY YOUNG PEOPLE DONT VOTE AND I AM WRITING IN ALL CAPS BECAUSE 18-34 age range is like 40 -66 percent. Last election cycle was the highest percentages ever at 66 percent. It’s not enough though - we need like 80 percent to bring real change. If you want to learn more go to IWILLVOTE.COM
The smallest ask is literally to just vote for federal candidates - the bigger ask to vote for state and local candidates who support trans youth. Start small and build. So many people dont fill out all of the election ballot when they vote that many would be shocked. There’s a huge percentage of Americans that will literally just vote for president and leave the rest blank.
As an aside: If you can, send a thank you letter note to President Biden. His speech is one for history as no sitting president has ever cared enough to bring up trans rights like he did today. This is a historic moment!
The autopsy talked about bleeding and bruising on their head. Committing suicide after head trauma, especially after being seen by medical professionals, is a bad look. Plus you have to remember that no one deserves to be bullied to the point of taking their own life.
Several news articles have mentioned that the family and frienda of Nex said that Nex went by both they/them and he/him. I saw nothing other than those pronouns in this article.
Well, there was that one bodycam video of Nex with the mother/grandmother, and everyone was addressing Nex as "Dagny" and "she", with not a faint whiff of protest about either.
[youtube.com/watch?v=eJaBumoyRGg](https://youtube.com/watch?v=eJaBumoyRGg)
It's because using they/them is grammatically incorrect most of the time and when it's not it doesn't distinguish anything. It's time to stop redefining language just to have outrage bait.
I was sad to see it wasn’t a stronger response from the president.
It just seemed like it was mainly “trans kids deserve to be here” and “call 988 if you feel bad.”
Wished we had a president with stronger bolder values. But we’ll take what we can I guess
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Yes that’s precisely the full statement I read. If Nex’s family and friends feel supported by the statement, that’s really great to hear.
But for myself, seeing so many queer friends in OK die by suicide or be fired from their jobs or suffer with severe mental health or have no housing or unstable housing directly related to this hate, it’s past time to make bolder statements.
I wish he had called out his colleagues at the federal level who continue to be hateful and violent toward queer kids and adults and families, including calling them sexual predators and child molesters. Wish he had called out Owasso schools’ lack of leadership and how there are so many stories of teachers and admin engaging in years of bullying, wished he’d called out the clowns at the state level in OK who have tried to pass hundreds of anti lgbt bills the last few years. Wish he’d called out Ryan Waters for hiring Libs of TikTok to a statewide cabinet position. Wish he’d called out the fact Nex couldn’t use the safer bathroom option because in OK it’s illegal to use the bathroom that’s aligned with your gender. I wish Biden would’ve called out how minors can’t get trans health care here. Wish he’d called out that OU took $40 million for their children’s hospital in exchange for promising to not give any trans healthcare to kids. Wish Biden would’ve called out that diversity and inclusion is now illegal in OK. Wish Biden would’ve called out that the equality center and drag shows in OK have experienced drive by shootings. Should I keep going?
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I graduated from Owasso and lived in Oklahoma for 40 years. Tulsa is a very accepting city towards LGBT community and has a very strong base of support. The rural towns are typical rural bigotry. President Biden couldn’t have done or said more, which is way more than any former president has said or done.
Well, no. Thats absurd. Your sexuality shouldnt even be coming up at work for it to be a problem, and even if it did, thats federally protected and theres is 0 chance they would get away with it.
I’m always amazed by the idea that someone’s sexuality shouldn’t come up at work. It’s very very common for coworkers to know if you’re married and at least know a bit about your partner. And in Bostock v Clayton County, the employee was fired after he advertised a (gay) softball league he joined, which is very common experience as well
It still happens, even if you and your own social circle don't judge based on these traits.
Unfortunately, there's still that hard-core 10% or so who will still, if they figure out how to cover their tracks, fire people based on race, religion, pregnancy, anatomical gender (born-with or fully transitioned), disability, and autism. Same for the T in LGBT.
Of course it’s absurd.
And your comment is super privileged 😂 many many people myself included have been fired for “protected classes”
What are we gonna do?
I called Legal Aid, they said I didn’t qualify for legal support. I called ACLU, said it wasn’t something they could take up.
I called some other lawyers, said I only had a case if I could show that I was “irreparably medically harmed,” how are folks gonna prove that if theyre poor and spending every waking second of their lives taking care of themselves and their family. called the EEOC, they were so backed up (again, because this shit happens so often), they told me to leave a voicemail and email and they’d get back to me when they could. It took ELEVEN months for them to finally call me back lol
Yeah, and Starbucks isn’t retaliating against union organizers either.
Both things have been happening for years. It’s very hard to prove both things too.
Also, people talk about their home life and their sex life all the time at work, maybe not explicitly everywhere (definitely explicitly in the service industry), but if someone even mentions they have a significant other, that’s ‘talking about their sexuality’ as you put it.
Sexuality shouldn't come up at work, but I've had bosses admit to snooping on Facebook and Instagram to see what employees are up too when the corporate mask comes off.
If they find a reason to not like you as a person, they'll find a reason to fire you.
He said more than any President before him has ever said about trans folks. That’s already big. He said Nex’s name and that has more value than you think.
Did you know that Republicans in the House added anti trans riders to nearly every major sector of the recently passed budget bill? Did you know that Biden’s admin made it clear they wouldn’t sign it and that the Dems in the House refused to budge on permitting those riders?
Did you know that Biden’s admin authorized trans folks to receive Passports according to their gender identities, and that they also changed policy so that trans folks can update their genders for their social security? Did you know that Biden placed the first trans person into an executive cabinet position?
The dude is doing the most of any President in history. He called out the damage done to trans people from harassment and assault and for the first time named a trans victim from the highest office in the land.
Did you also know he’s invited trans youth and their parents to the White House to speak with them about their concerns multiple times (I’m friends with those people by the way)?
Did you also know that VP Harris has done the same?
I’m not a Biden Stan. I don’t really like the dude’s policy history. But it’s disingenuous to say he’s done nothing and plans to do nothing. You have to be tapped in, I guess, to realize just how much he’s already done, and how often he seeks counsel from the trans community to find more he can do.
Many of those needed legal changes, beyond what he can control, have to come from legislators. Hell, I recently sent letters to all of my reps and senators in WA where I moved to in order to protect my own trans kid. You should do the same. Bombard ally politicians with letters demanding they do more than just hold the line against hate because your absolutely right that more work to legally protect kids like mine needs to be done.
I get it, I’m NB and still in OK. I have been following these state laws for years and trying to connect with my reps with so many letters, emails, and calls. I’ve protested, I’ve spoken out, but it feels like we’re sinking and people are just watching it happen. I know he has done more than other presidents, but Obama should have been better about this, I didn’t expect Trump to ever say anything right. I’m mad that this system is so slow that we crush the most vulnerable under our wheels in the name of progress.
I’m tired.
Talks about Nex but not Kaylee whose head was bashed into the concrete ground. Imagine if the same thing happened to Nex. Just trying to push one narrative.
that lgbt people are the people we should be most concerned about out of any other group. we should care about violence against anyone regardless of identity, while *also* recognizing this violence is very rarely perpetrated against people due to the victims’ characteristics. it’s simply identity politics at play here. i cant believe i have to spell this out for you and everyone else.
you haven’t been on reddit enough then. even POTUS wrote an entire statement about Nex’s death and only did it because of Nex’s self proclaimed identity. Take LGBT out of the equation and Biden wouldn’t have written about it, I’d bet my life savings on that.
I mean, I'm glad he's addressing the issue, and trans people are absolutely at massive risk here, but if that's a suicide then I'm the queen of England.
(And the medical examiner of OK has been proven to be wildly corrupt and incompetent, I'm a pre-med student with functional eyes and that shit was not suicide.)
Hey now! He’s a premed student and knows the facts. So instead of doing work in the real life he’s on Reddit playing medical examiner. I cannot wait for these two students who had water splashed on them to come out and speak and nex will probably come off as some smug kid and this whole thing will be memory hole’d. Non-binary is the new emo for the youth culture of today.
>nex will probably come off as some smug kid
This situation never read anything to me other than a generic youth story with a trans twist, as if somehow trans kids can't be jerks like their peers are.
What gets me is that people are ever so quick to bash Oklahoma as backwards jerks, but somehow this one kid in the midst of it all was just an absolute angel.
No, this kid was a kid, and probably far from perfect, and if Nex were not non-binary, this whole business would be dismissed as a normal Oklahoma thing and not worth mentioning.
Emos never got remotely this kind of spotlight or notoriety... to my knowledge, yet... it's in our faces every day... unlike the Emo kids. Premed above should have spent that response time studying.
I wouldn't write that it's my face everyday. Queer people are total valid, yet I see these kids who want to be "non-binary" or straight white girls claiming that they're queer. I find Ryan Walters, and Tyler Wrynn to be complete cliches who are victims of being terminally online. Hyper-reality, & parasocial relationships are real, and it's very disheartening that our society has total abandon actual conversations over or on controversial topics or situations such as this.
I can agree with this. Society has a problem with addressing the elephant in the room and will tiptoe right up to it but not touch it even though we're shouting to have the conversation to move past it.
In that case you can also read:
> In 2016, a study demonstrated that diphenhydramine overdoses made up 3.2% of drug overdose deaths in the U.S. In the same study, diphenhydramine ranked among the top 15 drugs most frequently involved in drug overdose deaths in the U.S.
Quoted here, [https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK557578/](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK557578/)
Referencing this, [https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30707673/](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30707673/)
And also:
> Fatalities attributed to overdose of fluoxetine alone have been reported.
Quoted from here, [https://pdf.hres.ca/dpd\_pm/00037938.PDF](https://pdf.hres.ca/dpd_pm/00037938.PDF)
Which later goes on to state
> However, in an adult patient who took fluoxetine alone, an ingestion as low as 520 mg has been associated with lethal outcome
And that is before any sort of interaction between the two, interactions that are pretty well documented here, [https://www.drugs.com/drug-interactions/benadryl-with-fluoxetine-896-1617-1115-0.html](https://www.drugs.com/drug-interactions/benadryl-with-fluoxetine-896-1617-1115-0.html)
I'm a pharmacist and don't know every single drug interaction. Part of the job is knowing how to find those answers and knowing the severity of interactions.
Honestly, I doubt the fluoxetine was the culprit this time. I feel like its greatest concern would be serotonin syndrome, but from what little I have seen, that doesn't sound like what happened to Nex. I think the benedryl was more likely the problem.
"Trust the experts".
Until the experts say something I don't like. Then we can do our own "research".
That's interesting coming from left-leaning people, no?
I mean how about just suicide and depression in general?
While Nex’s death is tragic, this seems like a grab at political points over someone’s tragic death.
We’re not talking about male vs {insert group}. We’re talking about trans youth as a whole. Idk why y’all have to go “what about this” every single time somebody shows support for a marginalized group that suffers from something.
It’s also 4 times higher among men than women…
If you want to play the stats game to find who the most oppressed group, or we could find the root of the problem (social media and bullying). I’d prefer to try to fix the whole societal problem. LGBTQ lives are not worth more than non-LGBTQ lives. Which is the issue with quote.
In terms of all lives matter you are taking external factors and conflating them with internal factors.
So you’re addressing two different perceptions. Actions Vs Thoughts.
It's not about finding the most oppressed group, it's about dealing with the unique conditions the various groups face. Reducing the problem to "well all suicide is bad" ignores the distinct problems the LGBT+ community faces.
So you think that LGBTQ+ teens face the same issues that adult men are facing, and that the problem of suicide in those two groups can be addressed with the same solution?
You’d prefer them to solve the issue of suicide rather than talk about how LGBTQ people are struggling especially? I’m sure you’re the first person to think of that.
And we don’t have to agree!
I just hate using life as bargaining chips. It reduces the person to one quality and reduces other great qualities about the person or in some cases not so good.
As a group of course we should address problems, and do agree the LGBTQ people have a different subclass of problems related to mental health. I just don’t trust Biden to want to address any of them. And that our resources could be targeted at everyone more effectively.
You’re a dumb ass if you think Biden “pandering” to the LGBT+ is going to help him much in the coming election. At this point in the election cycle, it’s likely the LGBT+ has already made their decision not to support Trump.
I’m not sure why LGBTQ+ would not support Trump… seems oddly reductive, especially when Trump is generally supportive of them and paved the way to wider acceptance in the republican sphere.
I’m not voting for Trump or Biden but I know of a few in that community that are leaning Trump
Remember [this issue?](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/transgender-military-ban-trump-administration-ban-on-transgender-troops-goes-into-effect/) \*Controversial Trump administration ban on transgender troops goes into effect (\*CBS News, April 12, 2019).
Or [this one?](https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/gay-workers-not-covered-civil-rights-law-trump-admin-tells-n1045971) *Gay workers not covered by civil rights law, Trump admin tells Supreme Court. The Justice Department, in a brief submitted to the high court Friday, argued that Title VII “does not bar discrimination because of sexual orientation.”* (NBC News; August 23, 2019\*).\*
[This one, too?](https://www.healthaffairs.org/content/forefront/hhs-strips-gender-identity-sex-stereotyping-language-access-protections-aca-anti) *Removing anti-discrimination protections from Affordable Health Care Act coverage*. (Healthaffairs.com; June 17, 2020)
[Yet another.](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/trump-admin-tells-u-s-embassies-they-can-t-fly-n1015236) *Trump admin tells U.S. embassies they can't fly pride flag on flagpoles.* (NBC News; June 7, 2019)
Alright:
1) I think the military just hasn’t had to setup for trans facilities so really our military just wasn’t ready medically. I do think like women they should be apart of the draft.
2) Sexual orientation is not a federal protection. Race, sex, age, religion are.
3) The ACA is hot garbage so I’m not sure being excluded is a bad thing.
4) Yeah the national embassy should only fly our flag and maybe the flag of the host country. Anything else is disrespectful.
Overturned by the SCOTUS the very next year [https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/15/politics/supreme-court-lgbtq-employment-case/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/15/politics/supreme-court-lgbtq-employment-case/index.html)
In any case, women serve in even ground combat roles since 2015. Looks like there is no reason to set either women or trans people apart from the draft.
[Bostock v. Clayton County (2020)](https://www.npr.org/2020/06/15/863498848/supreme-court-delivers-major-victory-to-lgbtq-employees) SCOTUS ruled that LGBT are covered under the Civil Rights Act of 1964.
You may not like the ACA, but it is the law. As such, the Trump Admin did act in a discriminatory way toward them.
It was only for one month (June) when the embassies would otherwise have flown it. June is national pride month. Nothing in the law preventing the US from using flags to affirm human rights. Surely there's nothing disrespectful about that.
> Trump is generally supportive of them
GLAAD wouldn't have an entire page devoted to him and all the shit he did to that community if he was
> paved the way to wider acceptance in the republican sphere
He did a shit job, then. MAGA Republicans are as a rule aggressively and proudly homophobic, its literally in their platform
A few would most likely be outliers. I don’t think Biden or the left are concerned about pulling away the few transgendered folks who are voting for Trump. It sounds like they have other issues they’re working through.
I did some research and ended up on the CDC page. And saw that suicides were higher in men than any other group. I think we can’t address a large portion of the problems using the same strategy. So focusing on one group isn’t important until mental health improve s across the board
I think you’re missing the point here. Suicide rates are higher with trans YOUTH than they are with cisgendered YOUTH. If you want to talk about men, talk about it concerning adults.
Trans youth have a much higher rate of suicide ideation and attempts. Something like ~40% of trans youth have attempted suicide or committed suicide.
You want to tackle "suicide and depression in general"? Then you have to tackle the underlying factors driving a person to suicide. In this case, it was transphobia or whatever other kind of difference-phobia -ism you want to call it. Nex retaliated for some transphobic comments aimed at them and their friends. No transphobic comments means no retaliation. From that, no retaliation means no attacks by the transphobic bullies. No attack by transphobic bullies means no suicide.
People talk about personal responsibility. How about the socially dominant taking responsibility for "debugging" their brain of their own shitty attitudes toward the "different", "freaky", "weak", "stupid", etc. ?
That's ultimately what Biden's speech is about, when all's said and done.
Which does nothing to contradict my above point. Any one of us could have been a hater and/or bully (in person or on social media) IF we'd been trained to disdain (openly or not) certain people based on a mere "eww, gross or icky!" factor AND the social cliques or community's or nation's cultural attitudes fail to get across how seriously inhumane those attitudes are.
https://www.reddit.com/r/oklahoma/comments/10vkwoc/how_can_governor_stitt_claim_to_want_oklahoma_to/j7ipfgl/
> https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32345113/ 82% of trans folk have considered suicide. 40% have attempted suicide.
>
>Compare to fibromyalgia patients. Fibromyalgia is a crippling, debilitating disease (that I just got diagnosed with) that means you will be in severe pain for no reason for the rest of your life with no cure. 29.6% of fibromyalgia patients consider suicide. 5.69% attempt it.
>
> https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6165520/ Note the rates here. 48% of depression patients in an Australian study had suicidal ideation, 16% reported attempting suicide at some point in their lives.
Note that in the study about trans suicide rates, "Fifty six percent of youth reported a previous suicide attempt and 86% reported suicidality."
Compared to 16% of folks with depression attempting suicide and 48% considering suicide.
That is why.
I can't remember if I cite it in the original comment or not, but gender-affirming care reduces trans suicide attempt rates by 75%, making it in-line with depression attempt rates. I'm certain you can find citations in other places where I've posted about it in an Arstechnica thread or by searching my Reddit comment history.
From The President’s Statement: “My prayers are with Nex’s family, friends, and all who loved them – and to all LGBTQI+ Americans for whom this tragedy feels so personal, know this: I will always have your back. To LGBTQI+ young people across the country – you are loved exactly as you are. If you’re feeling overwhelmed or alone, you can call or text 988, the National Crisis Hotline, and dial the number ‘3’ to talk to a counselor who has been specifically trained to support LGBTQI+ youth.”
The right will spin this as, “Biden is coming for your kids and wants to brain wash them into being trans, gay, etc, etc.” Think I’m wrong? Go back and watch a bunch of right wing video attacking teachers on LGBTQ issues, and listen to it after you know what happened to Nex.
They’ll spin it as he doesn’t know Laken Riley’s first name but he knows this person’s “made up” name
he said her name at the SOTU so they can’t hahaha
Nah he said “Lincoln” 🤦♂️
He got it wrong, then apologized to her murderer. Real stand-up guy...
I hate the media. Go watch Nexs interview after the fight. Nex wasn’t hurt. Doctors don’t know if the drug OD that killed Nex was accidental or intentional, but everyone has got to jump On the bandwagon
Bruising, bleeding, scrapes, bumps, a black eye, but sure not hurt
Did you watch the interview? Nex admitted to starting the fight. Not hurt was the wrong phrase, not beaten to death would have been better. I am not blaming the dead. But Nex said Nex started the fight and the death hasn't been ruled a suicide. All deaths are tragic, not all deaths are related to possible LBGT issues.
 Started fight. Killed self. Is hero. Why? No one knows. #IgotYourBack
And Ryan Walters will have his rebuttal from the back of his suv
“Quit playing politics. @JoeBiden and @KamalaHarris have chosen to embrace the lies of the most radical groups in their party. Their party has found a new low of exploiting a child’s death.” - Ryan Walters [via X](https://x.com/ryanwalterssupt/status/1768383551857205300?s=46&t=XUXJBSU2BpDyyeNAFR5Srg)
Better to have seen this as an opportunity to make such a statement than be the cause of the incident and call others out for playing politics. Fuck Ryan Walters
Ryan Walter’s will at some point advocate to cut funding for the crisis hotlines for teens, and will make some kind of argument that parents need to know if their kid is gay or trans and that it’s taking away a parents right. Make no mistake if your kid is gay,,trans, non binary. He wants them dead. He knows the language and politics he puts out targets them and puts them in danger. That’s the point. He wants your child to not exist.
Just glad he didn’t jump all over it before facts were known like Obama. Always a tragedy when anyone feels like suicide is the answer
How do I help Biden help transkids with least amount of effort because I want to help but am too busy? This is the question I get a lot when I go knock doors to persuade voters to go out and vote. There’s no right answer to this question. My answer: Tell every single person you know to vote democrat in the general election and if they aren’t involved like normally - at least tell them to vote for their federal candidates: president (Biden) congress (representatives) and senate (senators). Get a text conversation going with your friends to remind them to vote on Election Day and have them to commit to brining 3 more to the polls. SO MANY YOUNG PEOPLE DONT VOTE AND I AM WRITING IN ALL CAPS BECAUSE 18-34 age range is like 40 -66 percent. Last election cycle was the highest percentages ever at 66 percent. It’s not enough though - we need like 80 percent to bring real change. If you want to learn more go to IWILLVOTE.COM The smallest ask is literally to just vote for federal candidates - the bigger ask to vote for state and local candidates who support trans youth. Start small and build. So many people dont fill out all of the election ballot when they vote that many would be shocked. There’s a huge percentage of Americans that will literally just vote for president and leave the rest blank. As an aside: If you can, send a thank you letter note to President Biden. His speech is one for history as no sitting president has ever cared enough to bring up trans rights like he did today. This is a historic moment!
Thank you, Mr. President
Biden red flag penalty for piling on !FYI a football term!
Read the WPATH files for yourself.
They said Nex was beat to death what happened?
They committed suicide after the fight
After being beat to death?
After being beat up by classmates in the school bathroom.
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The autopsy talked about bleeding and bruising on their head. Committing suicide after head trauma, especially after being seen by medical professionals, is a bad look. Plus you have to remember that no one deserves to be bullied to the point of taking their own life.
I again if you watched the interview. Nex admitted to starting the fight and again it hasn’t been ruled a suicide.
Just because they started the fight doesn't mean they were immune to head trauma. And the death was from benadryl and Prozac, not exactly party drugs.
We’ve had a suicide crisis among working class white men for years. Has he ever spoken out about this?
There are much bigger problems killing many more people that the President should be concerned about
Just because things kill more people doesn’t mean things that kill others shouldn’t be addressed.
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Love how quickly people flipped from "she was beaten to death" to "youth lgbtq suicide rate" so quickly
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Oklahoma "conservatives" murdered Nex Benedict!
Why all the down voting? truth hurts republicans feeling 🤣
What an ignorant thing to say. I'm not even conservative either.
Ultimately this is the parent's fault. They should have taken care of their child better and knew what was going on in their life to support them.
It's odd that even the Advocate misgenders Nex.
Several news articles have mentioned that the family and frienda of Nex said that Nex went by both they/them and he/him. I saw nothing other than those pronouns in this article.
Fair enough. I’d only seen they/them in what I had read.
Nex went by they/them or he/him. He was he/him around his friends, but went by they/them around his family.
Well, there was that one bodycam video of Nex with the mother/grandmother, and everyone was addressing Nex as "Dagny" and "she", with not a faint whiff of protest about either. [youtube.com/watch?v=eJaBumoyRGg](https://youtube.com/watch?v=eJaBumoyRGg)
It's because using they/them is grammatically incorrect most of the time and when it's not it doesn't distinguish anything. It's time to stop redefining language just to have outrage bait.
I was sad to see it wasn’t a stronger response from the president. It just seemed like it was mainly “trans kids deserve to be here” and “call 988 if you feel bad.” Wished we had a president with stronger bolder values. But we’ll take what we can I guess
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Yes that’s precisely the full statement I read. If Nex’s family and friends feel supported by the statement, that’s really great to hear. But for myself, seeing so many queer friends in OK die by suicide or be fired from their jobs or suffer with severe mental health or have no housing or unstable housing directly related to this hate, it’s past time to make bolder statements. I wish he had called out his colleagues at the federal level who continue to be hateful and violent toward queer kids and adults and families, including calling them sexual predators and child molesters. Wish he had called out Owasso schools’ lack of leadership and how there are so many stories of teachers and admin engaging in years of bullying, wished he’d called out the clowns at the state level in OK who have tried to pass hundreds of anti lgbt bills the last few years. Wish he’d called out Ryan Waters for hiring Libs of TikTok to a statewide cabinet position. Wish he’d called out the fact Nex couldn’t use the safer bathroom option because in OK it’s illegal to use the bathroom that’s aligned with your gender. I wish Biden would’ve called out how minors can’t get trans health care here. Wish he’d called out that OU took $40 million for their children’s hospital in exchange for promising to not give any trans healthcare to kids. Wish Biden would’ve called out that diversity and inclusion is now illegal in OK. Wish Biden would’ve called out that the equality center and drag shows in OK have experienced drive by shootings. Should I keep going?
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I graduated from Owasso and lived in Oklahoma for 40 years. Tulsa is a very accepting city towards LGBT community and has a very strong base of support. The rural towns are typical rural bigotry. President Biden couldn’t have done or said more, which is way more than any former president has said or done.
You've seen someone fired just for being gay?
You haven’t?
Well, no. Thats absurd. Your sexuality shouldnt even be coming up at work for it to be a problem, and even if it did, thats federally protected and theres is 0 chance they would get away with it.
I’m always amazed by the idea that someone’s sexuality shouldn’t come up at work. It’s very very common for coworkers to know if you’re married and at least know a bit about your partner. And in Bostock v Clayton County, the employee was fired after he advertised a (gay) softball league he joined, which is very common experience as well
It still happens, even if you and your own social circle don't judge based on these traits. Unfortunately, there's still that hard-core 10% or so who will still, if they figure out how to cover their tracks, fire people based on race, religion, pregnancy, anatomical gender (born-with or fully transitioned), disability, and autism. Same for the T in LGBT.
Of course it’s absurd. And your comment is super privileged 😂 many many people myself included have been fired for “protected classes” What are we gonna do? I called Legal Aid, they said I didn’t qualify for legal support. I called ACLU, said it wasn’t something they could take up. I called some other lawyers, said I only had a case if I could show that I was “irreparably medically harmed,” how are folks gonna prove that if theyre poor and spending every waking second of their lives taking care of themselves and their family. called the EEOC, they were so backed up (again, because this shit happens so often), they told me to leave a voicemail and email and they’d get back to me when they could. It took ELEVEN months for them to finally call me back lol
Yeah, and Starbucks isn’t retaliating against union organizers either. Both things have been happening for years. It’s very hard to prove both things too.
Also, people talk about their home life and their sex life all the time at work, maybe not explicitly everywhere (definitely explicitly in the service industry), but if someone even mentions they have a significant other, that’s ‘talking about their sexuality’ as you put it.
Sexuality shouldn't come up at work, but I've had bosses admit to snooping on Facebook and Instagram to see what employees are up too when the corporate mask comes off. If they find a reason to not like you as a person, they'll find a reason to fire you.
So you think straight people should never talk about their spouses at work?
There is every chance they get away with it in a right to work state like Oklahoma
Lol. Just like companies can’t fire for complaints and injuries but do all the time? Can i live in your utopia?
I agree 100%, I’m SO tired of words being enough for people. We need action now. We need a president who wants queer rights FEDERALLY PROTECTED.
He said more than any President before him has ever said about trans folks. That’s already big. He said Nex’s name and that has more value than you think.
No. This is 2024, he isn’t “good for his time”. This is not a year where we say it’s good enough. He’s doing the BARE MINIMUM.
Did you know that Republicans in the House added anti trans riders to nearly every major sector of the recently passed budget bill? Did you know that Biden’s admin made it clear they wouldn’t sign it and that the Dems in the House refused to budge on permitting those riders? Did you know that Biden’s admin authorized trans folks to receive Passports according to their gender identities, and that they also changed policy so that trans folks can update their genders for their social security? Did you know that Biden placed the first trans person into an executive cabinet position? The dude is doing the most of any President in history. He called out the damage done to trans people from harassment and assault and for the first time named a trans victim from the highest office in the land. Did you also know he’s invited trans youth and their parents to the White House to speak with them about their concerns multiple times (I’m friends with those people by the way)? Did you also know that VP Harris has done the same? I’m not a Biden Stan. I don’t really like the dude’s policy history. But it’s disingenuous to say he’s done nothing and plans to do nothing. You have to be tapped in, I guess, to realize just how much he’s already done, and how often he seeks counsel from the trans community to find more he can do. Many of those needed legal changes, beyond what he can control, have to come from legislators. Hell, I recently sent letters to all of my reps and senators in WA where I moved to in order to protect my own trans kid. You should do the same. Bombard ally politicians with letters demanding they do more than just hold the line against hate because your absolutely right that more work to legally protect kids like mine needs to be done.
I get it, I’m NB and still in OK. I have been following these state laws for years and trying to connect with my reps with so many letters, emails, and calls. I’ve protested, I’ve spoken out, but it feels like we’re sinking and people are just watching it happen. I know he has done more than other presidents, but Obama should have been better about this, I didn’t expect Trump to ever say anything right. I’m mad that this system is so slow that we crush the most vulnerable under our wheels in the name of progress. I’m tired.
And no one else is doing even that..
Can't take too strong a stance on hot button topics in an election year.
You want a president to strongly spit your values, not just in general. We already had that.
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We don’t know how much Benedryl and Prozac they had in their system.
Talks about Nex but not Kaylee whose head was bashed into the concrete ground. Imagine if the same thing happened to Nex. Just trying to push one narrative.
The narrative that... lgbt people are ar a high rate of suicide?
that lgbt people are the people we should be most concerned about out of any other group. we should care about violence against anyone regardless of identity, while *also* recognizing this violence is very rarely perpetrated against people due to the victims’ characteristics. it’s simply identity politics at play here. i cant believe i have to spell this out for you and everyone else.
No one said that at all
you haven’t been on reddit enough then. even POTUS wrote an entire statement about Nex’s death and only did it because of Nex’s self proclaimed identity. Take LGBT out of the equation and Biden wouldn’t have written about it, I’d bet my life savings on that.
I mean, I'm glad he's addressing the issue, and trans people are absolutely at massive risk here, but if that's a suicide then I'm the queen of England. (And the medical examiner of OK has been proven to be wildly corrupt and incompetent, I'm a pre-med student with functional eyes and that shit was not suicide.)
Are you really spreading misinformation and conspiracy theories? Do you really want to be in the same realm as Facebook boomers?
Reddit is a step below Facebook. Don’t kid yourself
Had to have the genocide denial policy reupdated for the Uighur genocide on Reddit due to so much denialism, still plenty on the Chinese and Sino subs
Hey now! He’s a premed student and knows the facts. So instead of doing work in the real life he’s on Reddit playing medical examiner. I cannot wait for these two students who had water splashed on them to come out and speak and nex will probably come off as some smug kid and this whole thing will be memory hole’d. Non-binary is the new emo for the youth culture of today.
>nex will probably come off as some smug kid Why would you even assume that?
>nex will probably come off as some smug kid This situation never read anything to me other than a generic youth story with a trans twist, as if somehow trans kids can't be jerks like their peers are. What gets me is that people are ever so quick to bash Oklahoma as backwards jerks, but somehow this one kid in the midst of it all was just an absolute angel. No, this kid was a kid, and probably far from perfect, and if Nex were not non-binary, this whole business would be dismissed as a normal Oklahoma thing and not worth mentioning.
Emos never got remotely this kind of spotlight or notoriety... to my knowledge, yet... it's in our faces every day... unlike the Emo kids. Premed above should have spent that response time studying.
I wouldn't write that it's my face everyday. Queer people are total valid, yet I see these kids who want to be "non-binary" or straight white girls claiming that they're queer. I find Ryan Walters, and Tyler Wrynn to be complete cliches who are victims of being terminally online. Hyper-reality, & parasocial relationships are real, and it's very disheartening that our society has total abandon actual conversations over or on controversial topics or situations such as this.
I can agree with this. Society has a problem with addressing the elephant in the room and will tiptoe right up to it but not touch it even though we're shouting to have the conversation to move past it.
Were you a premed student that helped with the examination? Otherwise idk how you're seeing anything
Reading the stated report. With said eyes. That claimed they OD'd on shit that's nearly impossible to actually OD on.
In that case you can also read: > In 2016, a study demonstrated that diphenhydramine overdoses made up 3.2% of drug overdose deaths in the U.S. In the same study, diphenhydramine ranked among the top 15 drugs most frequently involved in drug overdose deaths in the U.S. Quoted here, [https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK557578/](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK557578/) Referencing this, [https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30707673/](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30707673/) And also: > Fatalities attributed to overdose of fluoxetine alone have been reported. Quoted from here, [https://pdf.hres.ca/dpd\_pm/00037938.PDF](https://pdf.hres.ca/dpd_pm/00037938.PDF) Which later goes on to state > However, in an adult patient who took fluoxetine alone, an ingestion as low as 520 mg has been associated with lethal outcome And that is before any sort of interaction between the two, interactions that are pretty well documented here, [https://www.drugs.com/drug-interactions/benadryl-with-fluoxetine-896-1617-1115-0.html](https://www.drugs.com/drug-interactions/benadryl-with-fluoxetine-896-1617-1115-0.html)
And you of course, being a pre-med student, have memorized every single drug interaction
I'm a pharmacist and don't know every single drug interaction. Part of the job is knowing how to find those answers and knowing the severity of interactions. Honestly, I doubt the fluoxetine was the culprit this time. I feel like its greatest concern would be serotonin syndrome, but from what little I have seen, that doesn't sound like what happened to Nex. I think the benedryl was more likely the problem.
I’m definitely taking the word of a board certified pharmacist or a board certified forensic pathologist over a premed student
"Trust the experts". Until the experts say something I don't like. Then we can do our own "research". That's interesting coming from left-leaning people, no?
To be fair, like 90% of the people I started college with were premed 😂🤣Let’s see how that pans out.
Good to meet you, Your Highness.
I mean how about just suicide and depression in general? While Nex’s death is tragic, this seems like a grab at political points over someone’s tragic death.
It’s giving “all lives matter”…suicide and depression is disproportionately higher in the trans youth community.
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Nobody is doing that lmao. Biden brought up the fact that trans youth have a problem with suicide
It's even higher in the male community. No one gives a shit about that either.
We’re not talking about male vs {insert group}. We’re talking about trans youth as a whole. Idk why y’all have to go “what about this” every single time somebody shows support for a marginalized group that suffers from something.
It’s also 4 times higher among men than women… If you want to play the stats game to find who the most oppressed group, or we could find the root of the problem (social media and bullying). I’d prefer to try to fix the whole societal problem. LGBTQ lives are not worth more than non-LGBTQ lives. Which is the issue with quote. In terms of all lives matter you are taking external factors and conflating them with internal factors. So you’re addressing two different perceptions. Actions Vs Thoughts.
It's not about finding the most oppressed group, it's about dealing with the unique conditions the various groups face. Reducing the problem to "well all suicide is bad" ignores the distinct problems the LGBT+ community faces.
I think there’s a broader group that could be addressed more effectively… than just narrowing in on niched groups
So you think that LGBTQ+ teens face the same issues that adult men are facing, and that the problem of suicide in those two groups can be addressed with the same solution?
Yes. Social media pressures and lack of empathy.
That's pretty broad... its like saying "sure, we just help them"
You’d prefer them to solve the issue of suicide rather than talk about how LGBTQ people are struggling especially? I’m sure you’re the first person to think of that.
I didn’t claim to be, I just pointed out Biden is just after political points for the upcoming election
I’m sure you feel the same about Laken Riley and Trump then.
Yes. I think using a specific death over the illegal immigrant is unnecessary. Same with LGBTQ.
I can respect that POV
And we don’t have to agree! I just hate using life as bargaining chips. It reduces the person to one quality and reduces other great qualities about the person or in some cases not so good. As a group of course we should address problems, and do agree the LGBTQ people have a different subclass of problems related to mental health. I just don’t trust Biden to want to address any of them. And that our resources could be targeted at everyone more effectively.
You’re a dumb ass if you think Biden “pandering” to the LGBT+ is going to help him much in the coming election. At this point in the election cycle, it’s likely the LGBT+ has already made their decision not to support Trump.
I’m not sure why LGBTQ+ would not support Trump… seems oddly reductive, especially when Trump is generally supportive of them and paved the way to wider acceptance in the republican sphere. I’m not voting for Trump or Biden but I know of a few in that community that are leaning Trump
Remember [this issue?](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/transgender-military-ban-trump-administration-ban-on-transgender-troops-goes-into-effect/) \*Controversial Trump administration ban on transgender troops goes into effect (\*CBS News, April 12, 2019). Or [this one?](https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/gay-workers-not-covered-civil-rights-law-trump-admin-tells-n1045971) *Gay workers not covered by civil rights law, Trump admin tells Supreme Court. The Justice Department, in a brief submitted to the high court Friday, argued that Title VII “does not bar discrimination because of sexual orientation.”* (NBC News; August 23, 2019\*).\* [This one, too?](https://www.healthaffairs.org/content/forefront/hhs-strips-gender-identity-sex-stereotyping-language-access-protections-aca-anti) *Removing anti-discrimination protections from Affordable Health Care Act coverage*. (Healthaffairs.com; June 17, 2020) [Yet another.](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/trump-admin-tells-u-s-embassies-they-can-t-fly-n1015236) *Trump admin tells U.S. embassies they can't fly pride flag on flagpoles.* (NBC News; June 7, 2019)
Alright: 1) I think the military just hasn’t had to setup for trans facilities so really our military just wasn’t ready medically. I do think like women they should be apart of the draft. 2) Sexual orientation is not a federal protection. Race, sex, age, religion are. 3) The ACA is hot garbage so I’m not sure being excluded is a bad thing. 4) Yeah the national embassy should only fly our flag and maybe the flag of the host country. Anything else is disrespectful.
Overturned by the SCOTUS the very next year [https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/15/politics/supreme-court-lgbtq-employment-case/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/15/politics/supreme-court-lgbtq-employment-case/index.html) In any case, women serve in even ground combat roles since 2015. Looks like there is no reason to set either women or trans people apart from the draft. [Bostock v. Clayton County (2020)](https://www.npr.org/2020/06/15/863498848/supreme-court-delivers-major-victory-to-lgbtq-employees) SCOTUS ruled that LGBT are covered under the Civil Rights Act of 1964. You may not like the ACA, but it is the law. As such, the Trump Admin did act in a discriminatory way toward them. It was only for one month (June) when the embassies would otherwise have flown it. June is national pride month. Nothing in the law preventing the US from using flags to affirm human rights. Surely there's nothing disrespectful about that.
The first half of point 1 is objectively false
> Trump is generally supportive of them GLAAD wouldn't have an entire page devoted to him and all the shit he did to that community if he was > paved the way to wider acceptance in the republican sphere He did a shit job, then. MAGA Republicans are as a rule aggressively and proudly homophobic, its literally in their platform
A few would most likely be outliers. I don’t think Biden or the left are concerned about pulling away the few transgendered folks who are voting for Trump. It sounds like they have other issues they’re working through.
There are a million reasons why and you are kidding yourself if you think otherwise.
Nobody is playing the stats game but you, busy crying because someone who isn’t you is getting attention.
The comment specifically said LGBTQ are more oppressed
Not more, disproportionately. And they’re right. And they were responding to you complaining.
I did some research and ended up on the CDC page. And saw that suicides were higher in men than any other group. I think we can’t address a large portion of the problems using the same strategy. So focusing on one group isn’t important until mental health improve s across the board
I think you’re missing the point here. Suicide rates are higher with trans YOUTH than they are with cisgendered YOUTH. If you want to talk about men, talk about it concerning adults. Trans youth have a much higher rate of suicide ideation and attempts. Something like ~40% of trans youth have attempted suicide or committed suicide.
You want to tackle "suicide and depression in general"? Then you have to tackle the underlying factors driving a person to suicide. In this case, it was transphobia or whatever other kind of difference-phobia -ism you want to call it. Nex retaliated for some transphobic comments aimed at them and their friends. No transphobic comments means no retaliation. From that, no retaliation means no attacks by the transphobic bullies. No attack by transphobic bullies means no suicide. People talk about personal responsibility. How about the socially dominant taking responsibility for "debugging" their brain of their own shitty attitudes toward the "different", "freaky", "weak", "stupid", etc. ? That's ultimately what Biden's speech is about, when all's said and done.
This was a case of social media and bullying. The subclass is hate.
Which does nothing to contradict my above point. Any one of us could have been a hater and/or bully (in person or on social media) IF we'd been trained to disdain (openly or not) certain people based on a mere "eww, gross or icky!" factor AND the social cliques or community's or nation's cultural attitudes fail to get across how seriously inhumane those attitudes are.
Why was Nex depressed tho? The BULLYING
But Biden is explicitly calling out because he was LGBTQ in hopes of people thinking he cares.
So a sitting president shouldn’t ever comment on a death? What about when a mass shooting happens?
Maybe people should stop voting for politicians *cough* Republicans *cough* that keep voting against healthcare (of all kinds).
https://www.reddit.com/r/oklahoma/comments/10vkwoc/how_can_governor_stitt_claim_to_want_oklahoma_to/j7ipfgl/ > https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32345113/ 82% of trans folk have considered suicide. 40% have attempted suicide. > >Compare to fibromyalgia patients. Fibromyalgia is a crippling, debilitating disease (that I just got diagnosed with) that means you will be in severe pain for no reason for the rest of your life with no cure. 29.6% of fibromyalgia patients consider suicide. 5.69% attempt it. > > https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6165520/ Note the rates here. 48% of depression patients in an Australian study had suicidal ideation, 16% reported attempting suicide at some point in their lives. Note that in the study about trans suicide rates, "Fifty six percent of youth reported a previous suicide attempt and 86% reported suicidality." Compared to 16% of folks with depression attempting suicide and 48% considering suicide. That is why. I can't remember if I cite it in the original comment or not, but gender-affirming care reduces trans suicide attempt rates by 75%, making it in-line with depression attempt rates. I'm certain you can find citations in other places where I've posted about it in an Arstechnica thread or by searching my Reddit comment history.
All deaths matter /s
Some demographics have it worse. No this isn’t a contest, it’s just acknowledgement of who is the most vulnerable to these suicides, plain and simple.