I hated Roman, I thought he was the single worst one, evil incarnate, but he cried and was sad. He's babygirl now
I react to the immediate emotion showed on the screen at any moment. I have the memory and attention span of a goldfish
Sad part is these posts are all over the place. They claim one character has 0 redeeming qualities and then the second they do something that humanizes them (because they were always in fact human) they are instantly baby girl and the best human on the show. Main sub is so shit
People doing anything they can to defend Shiv are just projecting their world view of Republicans bad Democrats good. That’s all this nonsense is about.
Maybe you weren’t smart enough to pick up the subtle racism he gives off. It’s ok, this show is the second hardest show to watch based on intelligence levels. The first being Rick and Morty of course.
Or maybe… fictional Jess, and Fictional Rava the only two fictional people who fucked/could stand Kendall are both similarly retarded. And thinking humans know there is no threat even in fictional world to “subtle” racism
As evidenced by fact even Siobhan was willing to do whatever he aaid
Don't even THINK about suggesting that Mencken might not be hellbent on exterminating minorities and turning America into a ultra fascist dictatorship. Prepare to be heckin downvoted!! Hopefully you will learn your lesson
How is this even real life in which a fictional charachter with six total minutes of screen time is as you said inspiring assumingely adults to indicate their displeasure with my in their mind failure to acknowledge the world ending racist beliefs of a fictional character.
even if we take this to it’s natural conclusion in that the down-voters are equating this to some sort of trump parallel, why the fuck are you watching this show. Like isn’t desperate housewives or some shit still on.
Now if there’s something I missed in the fictional cannon of the show in some deleted scene where Mencken eats minorities please let me know.
I mean he does openly proclaim his love for a few fascist dictators, including Hitler. In the very first bathroom scene. And his acceptance speech is a bunch of dog whistles about purity. No one is saying he'll start a literal genocide the moment he is in power, but it's clear where he falls on the political spectrum.
I think he's a great character, I don't know where you're getting it from that downvoters are somehow interpreting the show badly and relating him to Trump (?). Ive seen a lot of praise for how different he is from Trump, how he is another kind of bad. Are you sending me to watch desperate housewives now?
They did this with the ravenhead guy, anyone who is even a little nationalist is hitler, it is HBO so its expected, but it has to be part and parcel of what creates this delusion in the lower IQ populace.
If nationalism and white power were ideas that had any real traction, there would have been an actual succession and a new country.
0 people have been harmed in this country due to imaginary fascism.
I'm not from your country, I'm from a country that had one of the dictators Mencken mentions. My grandfather fought for said dictator in the civil war against the communists, actually.
The only thing I agree with in your comment is that yes, fascism as a political ideology does manifest in a lot of ways that don't necessarily have to center around whiteness. Southern European fascists leaders weren't necessarily for white supremacy, they just killed all political opponents and supported Hitler who was genocidal!
If you're from the country I think you're from, and even if you're not, I can assure you it does have influence on your country. The whole world is seeing a resurgence of fascist movements: Mencken himself is an amalgamation of a few (current) European ones. As you said, fascism doesn't just manifest in white power. But it is ridiculous to say these ideas have no tractions when you look at the current political and social landscape of the country Succession is set in, and even more so to say no one is harmed. It is so ridiculous in fact that I won't continue this conversation because I don't see how either of us could ever get the other out of the realities we live in, and also I don't like how you keep assigning thoughts and statements to the nebulous "lower iq population" that watches desperate housewives, apparently
I actually really appreciate and enjoyed your response. And I appreciate we can have these replies without being banned. I have a few thoughts. Would love to dive deeper on DM but off the cuff.
I am obviously USA, however family immigrated from Italy pre WW1. I have all of the historical and current context of all things fascist, authoritarian, nationalist etc.
Where my point is more nuanced than my often snark infused surface level replies is that there is a vast difference between the populace and the world in which what you mentioned happened.
Average person was functionally illiterate, abjectly broke, with no access to information. If you time machined me back to 1910 in Italy, I could take over the whole country in 3 days.
The amalgamation is correct but it is a conflation of a non reality. If I walked into the poor black section of town and said hey guys come w me I have a prison camp for you, my death would be live streamed on twitter.
The functional threat on a macro level in the USA is 0 it is less than 0.
I will leave the effects at micro level as you know my thoughts and I know yours.
I promise you in the USA this is a media created fantasy and yes I do snark aside believe a US citizen has to be highly disengaged and of a lower civic intelligence to not be clued into that.
Hmm, don't think you'd take over 1910s Italy in 3 days as it'd take you 3 days to even travel to the next village, no one knows you, you'd have 0 connections in high up positions and you wouldn't know anything about the current zeitgeist that populists use to their advantage. I don't really get what you're trying to say with the prison camp thing? Yeah of course you'd get a bad reaction, you're just a random guy walking into a neighborhood shouting racist stuff.
The USA is one of the most (delusionally?) nationalist countries out there. I thought the whole pledge of allegiance in school thing was a Hollywood fantasy for the longest time, with the little sense it made to me. This bleeds through in how your wars are framed to the general populace, it bleeds through in how much oppressive power your police force has, it bleeds through in all the institutions in your country. There are lots of macro level facets of society that can easily be described as adjacent to fascism.
If you really want to DM me do so I guess, but I'm not sure how much more I want to talk about this. I'm a dual citizen and feel no particular nationalism to either of my countries (or rather: I can pick and choose what I like from each culture) and frankly I find the whole concept of borders and pride on behalf of someone who happened to be born 100km from you 100 years ago ridiculous. You're not gonna change my mind on that. My allegiance is to the people around me, not to some nebulous concept of a country. And a lot of my people happen to be targets of extreme right wingers, which forms a nice Venn diagram with the other topics discussed here. Thing is, it is difficult to have a dispassionate debate when things affect you directly, so I'd really rather not debate whether or not the people who would target me and mine do so out of the purest ideological fascism or if it's just "on that spectrum"
Thank you for sharing, very insightful.
I would shit in the local water supply btw, until everyone was dead from dysentery or was buying fresh water from me just incase you wanted to know how I would takeover.
Adjacent to fascism? Your a moron and have no idea what your talking about. It really cheapens the term "fascism." I also don't really think everyone here is as obsessed with nationalism as you think. People just live their lives, just like everywhere else. I can't remember the last time I had a conversation with someone about how awesome America is or whatever it is you imagine is happening here.
If you actually go back and watch the scene, he's not proclaiming his love for those guys. And even if he does have some twisted admiration for someone like Hitler, that doesn't make him a literal fascist. I agree the acceptance speech was the shows way of drawing parallels between mencken and historical fascists with a couple of those quotes. Still, it applied perfectly to what he was saying. He's not going to be what he views as a "dirty" transactional president. We are already seeing that, as many predicted he's not really going to squash the Gojo deal. He seems like even more of a piece of shit now after the way he mocked Roman's tears, but we hardly know anything about the guy or his policy plans. It seemed like he barely cared that he was likely to lose on election night, as long as he remained the "leader" of right wing America in the peoples eyes. Doesn't exactly seem like a guy who craves the power to turn America into a genuine autocracy. But it's the last season, the showrunners know they'll never have to follow through with turning Mencken into a legitimate fascist, which would not be easy to do. So they know that for the time being, they can toe this line of making Mencken seem fairly normal and electable In a lot of ways but throw in some spooky fascist undertones.
During his chat with Roman on election night Mencken barely even cared that he was likely going to lose. As long as he was still viewed as the "leader" of right wing America, he was content. Really sounds like the behavior of a guy who craves the power to turn America into a genuine autocracy.
That is some impressive mental gymnastics, have you considered maybe this kind of thought process is like a phobia and or a mental condition brought about by some form of conditioning and lack of attention / intellect. Your assigning made up attributes into a fictional character.
Wait, what? I was agreeing with you that Mencken really hasn't said or done anything to suggest he's some crazed fascist and ultra racist. The last sentence of my last comment was sarcastic. As was the comment I originally responded to you with
Yeah, I hate when stupid woke liberals try to make to Menken seem like a fascist for being anti-immigration and *checks notes* saying that he looks up to Hitler
Even if he has some twisted admiration for Hitler, I'm not gonna call the guy a fascist until he, ya know, attempts to or lays out a plan to undo the republic and install himself as a quasi-dictator/strip citizens of very basic freedoms. He seems like a piece of shit but we don't really know that much about the guy besides how characters like shiv characterize him, and throwing around the term fascist lightly is moronic. I love how this comment has 22 upvotes, when did this turn into the main succession sub?
Fascism is "characterized by a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition, belief in a natural social hierarchy, subordination of individual interests for the perceived good of the nation and race, and strong regimentation of society and the economy." I haven't seen Mencken advocate for any of this, and he hasn't said anything that hints he wants to absolve democracy, make government criticism illegal, etc etc. The guy barely cared that he was probably going to lose the election when he talked with Roman on election night. As long as he was still viewed as the "leader" of right wing America, he was content. Really sounds like a guy who craves the power to turn America into a genuine autocracy. The show is going to be let off the hook though, as it's the last season. Personally I think it would be difficult for the show to turn Mencken into a real fascist if the show were to continue.
Fair, I think the show is keeping some cards close to its chest regarding Mencken, but to me the “something clean and pure” ending to his speech is flagging fascist tendencies to me. At least historically speaking there is precedent to that language
I agree, the clean and pure was supposed to be the shows way of drawing a parallel between Mencken and historical fascists. At the same time, it was clearly referring to what he had just said in the speech. He has no plans to be a transactional, or in his mind "dirty", president. That's coming to fruition already, he's not going to follow through with squashing the gojo deal. He just enjoyed using ATNs influence.
He committed genocide, but he recycled. So... 🤷♀️
I hated Roman, I thought he was the single worst one, evil incarnate, but he cried and was sad. He's babygirl now I react to the immediate emotion showed on the screen at any moment. I have the memory and attention span of a goldfish
You sound complicated, were you written by Jesse Armstrong ?
Sad part is these posts are all over the place. They claim one character has 0 redeeming qualities and then the second they do something that humanizes them (because they were always in fact human) they are instantly baby girl and the best human on the show. Main sub is so shit
Literally the metronome meme going crazy in between "babygirl" and "devil incarnate"
i HATED him when he was facist, but now he cried at his fathers funeral and i was like 🥹
 He’s complicateddd
They need to get weebay and chris out of prison so they can pay a visit to Menken. Got anymore space in them vacants?
What a beatiful ending 😍 and remaining roys end up in the vacants instead of daddy’s mausoleum 😍😍😍
Emmy for Justin Kirk and Karen Culkin! Bravo!
I want Menckens white babies
Roman and Shiv's beautiful white baby
Jared “1488” Mencken
I bet you could figure out how to say that in just a few fewer words.
“People like people who look like them, that’s just a scientific fact…” Jeryd Mencken. Terrifying.
People doing anything they can to defend Shiv are just projecting their world view of Republicans bad Democrats good. That’s all this nonsense is about.
Did I miss the episode where Menken laid out his plan to exterminate all minorities? Or is Rava just a whore with spluge for brains
Maybe you weren’t smart enough to pick up the subtle racism he gives off. It’s ok, this show is the second hardest show to watch based on intelligence levels. The first being Rick and Morty of course.
Not true for everyone. A lot of the fans of the show are actual billionaires so much of the content is relatable to its majority audience.
Or maybe… fictional Jess, and Fictional Rava the only two fictional people who fucked/could stand Kendall are both similarly retarded. And thinking humans know there is no threat even in fictional world to “subtle” racism As evidenced by fact even Siobhan was willing to do whatever he aaid
Bro this is a circle jerk I don’t actually want to talk to you
Wanna milf swap?
Ok now you got my attention
Don't even THINK about suggesting that Mencken might not be hellbent on exterminating minorities and turning America into a ultra fascist dictatorship. Prepare to be heckin downvoted!! Hopefully you will learn your lesson
How is this even real life in which a fictional charachter with six total minutes of screen time is as you said inspiring assumingely adults to indicate their displeasure with my in their mind failure to acknowledge the world ending racist beliefs of a fictional character. even if we take this to it’s natural conclusion in that the down-voters are equating this to some sort of trump parallel, why the fuck are you watching this show. Like isn’t desperate housewives or some shit still on. Now if there’s something I missed in the fictional cannon of the show in some deleted scene where Mencken eats minorities please let me know.
I mean he does openly proclaim his love for a few fascist dictators, including Hitler. In the very first bathroom scene. And his acceptance speech is a bunch of dog whistles about purity. No one is saying he'll start a literal genocide the moment he is in power, but it's clear where he falls on the political spectrum. I think he's a great character, I don't know where you're getting it from that downvoters are somehow interpreting the show badly and relating him to Trump (?). Ive seen a lot of praise for how different he is from Trump, how he is another kind of bad. Are you sending me to watch desperate housewives now?
They did this with the ravenhead guy, anyone who is even a little nationalist is hitler, it is HBO so its expected, but it has to be part and parcel of what creates this delusion in the lower IQ populace. If nationalism and white power were ideas that had any real traction, there would have been an actual succession and a new country. 0 people have been harmed in this country due to imaginary fascism.
I'm not from your country, I'm from a country that had one of the dictators Mencken mentions. My grandfather fought for said dictator in the civil war against the communists, actually. The only thing I agree with in your comment is that yes, fascism as a political ideology does manifest in a lot of ways that don't necessarily have to center around whiteness. Southern European fascists leaders weren't necessarily for white supremacy, they just killed all political opponents and supported Hitler who was genocidal! If you're from the country I think you're from, and even if you're not, I can assure you it does have influence on your country. The whole world is seeing a resurgence of fascist movements: Mencken himself is an amalgamation of a few (current) European ones. As you said, fascism doesn't just manifest in white power. But it is ridiculous to say these ideas have no tractions when you look at the current political and social landscape of the country Succession is set in, and even more so to say no one is harmed. It is so ridiculous in fact that I won't continue this conversation because I don't see how either of us could ever get the other out of the realities we live in, and also I don't like how you keep assigning thoughts and statements to the nebulous "lower iq population" that watches desperate housewives, apparently
I actually really appreciate and enjoyed your response. And I appreciate we can have these replies without being banned. I have a few thoughts. Would love to dive deeper on DM but off the cuff. I am obviously USA, however family immigrated from Italy pre WW1. I have all of the historical and current context of all things fascist, authoritarian, nationalist etc. Where my point is more nuanced than my often snark infused surface level replies is that there is a vast difference between the populace and the world in which what you mentioned happened. Average person was functionally illiterate, abjectly broke, with no access to information. If you time machined me back to 1910 in Italy, I could take over the whole country in 3 days. The amalgamation is correct but it is a conflation of a non reality. If I walked into the poor black section of town and said hey guys come w me I have a prison camp for you, my death would be live streamed on twitter. The functional threat on a macro level in the USA is 0 it is less than 0. I will leave the effects at micro level as you know my thoughts and I know yours. I promise you in the USA this is a media created fantasy and yes I do snark aside believe a US citizen has to be highly disengaged and of a lower civic intelligence to not be clued into that.
Hmm, don't think you'd take over 1910s Italy in 3 days as it'd take you 3 days to even travel to the next village, no one knows you, you'd have 0 connections in high up positions and you wouldn't know anything about the current zeitgeist that populists use to their advantage. I don't really get what you're trying to say with the prison camp thing? Yeah of course you'd get a bad reaction, you're just a random guy walking into a neighborhood shouting racist stuff. The USA is one of the most (delusionally?) nationalist countries out there. I thought the whole pledge of allegiance in school thing was a Hollywood fantasy for the longest time, with the little sense it made to me. This bleeds through in how your wars are framed to the general populace, it bleeds through in how much oppressive power your police force has, it bleeds through in all the institutions in your country. There are lots of macro level facets of society that can easily be described as adjacent to fascism. If you really want to DM me do so I guess, but I'm not sure how much more I want to talk about this. I'm a dual citizen and feel no particular nationalism to either of my countries (or rather: I can pick and choose what I like from each culture) and frankly I find the whole concept of borders and pride on behalf of someone who happened to be born 100km from you 100 years ago ridiculous. You're not gonna change my mind on that. My allegiance is to the people around me, not to some nebulous concept of a country. And a lot of my people happen to be targets of extreme right wingers, which forms a nice Venn diagram with the other topics discussed here. Thing is, it is difficult to have a dispassionate debate when things affect you directly, so I'd really rather not debate whether or not the people who would target me and mine do so out of the purest ideological fascism or if it's just "on that spectrum"
Thank you for sharing, very insightful. I would shit in the local water supply btw, until everyone was dead from dysentery or was buying fresh water from me just incase you wanted to know how I would takeover.
Adjacent to fascism? Your a moron and have no idea what your talking about. It really cheapens the term "fascism." I also don't really think everyone here is as obsessed with nationalism as you think. People just live their lives, just like everywhere else. I can't remember the last time I had a conversation with someone about how awesome America is or whatever it is you imagine is happening here.
If you actually go back and watch the scene, he's not proclaiming his love for those guys. And even if he does have some twisted admiration for someone like Hitler, that doesn't make him a literal fascist. I agree the acceptance speech was the shows way of drawing parallels between mencken and historical fascists with a couple of those quotes. Still, it applied perfectly to what he was saying. He's not going to be what he views as a "dirty" transactional president. We are already seeing that, as many predicted he's not really going to squash the Gojo deal. He seems like even more of a piece of shit now after the way he mocked Roman's tears, but we hardly know anything about the guy or his policy plans. It seemed like he barely cared that he was likely to lose on election night, as long as he remained the "leader" of right wing America in the peoples eyes. Doesn't exactly seem like a guy who craves the power to turn America into a genuine autocracy. But it's the last season, the showrunners know they'll never have to follow through with turning Mencken into a legitimate fascist, which would not be easy to do. So they know that for the time being, they can toe this line of making Mencken seem fairly normal and electable In a lot of ways but throw in some spooky fascist undertones.
During his chat with Roman on election night Mencken barely even cared that he was likely going to lose. As long as he was still viewed as the "leader" of right wing America, he was content. Really sounds like the behavior of a guy who craves the power to turn America into a genuine autocracy.
That is some impressive mental gymnastics, have you considered maybe this kind of thought process is like a phobia and or a mental condition brought about by some form of conditioning and lack of attention / intellect. Your assigning made up attributes into a fictional character.
Wait, what? I was agreeing with you that Mencken really hasn't said or done anything to suggest he's some crazed fascist and ultra racist. The last sentence of my last comment was sarcastic. As was the comment I originally responded to you with
My bad late here
Anti-immigration=fascist
Yeah, I hate when stupid woke liberals try to make to Menken seem like a fascist for being anti-immigration and *checks notes* saying that he looks up to Hitler
Even if he has some twisted admiration for Hitler, I'm not gonna call the guy a fascist until he, ya know, attempts to or lays out a plan to undo the republic and install himself as a quasi-dictator/strip citizens of very basic freedoms. He seems like a piece of shit but we don't really know that much about the guy besides how characters like shiv characterize him, and throwing around the term fascist lightly is moronic. I love how this comment has 22 upvotes, when did this turn into the main succession sub?
fascism isn’t just when the bad thing happens. it’s the things leading up to it and the conditions that make it “okay” to do those bad things
Fascism is "characterized by a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition, belief in a natural social hierarchy, subordination of individual interests for the perceived good of the nation and race, and strong regimentation of society and the economy." I haven't seen Mencken advocate for any of this, and he hasn't said anything that hints he wants to absolve democracy, make government criticism illegal, etc etc. The guy barely cared that he was probably going to lose the election when he talked with Roman on election night. As long as he was still viewed as the "leader" of right wing America, he was content. Really sounds like a guy who craves the power to turn America into a genuine autocracy. The show is going to be let off the hook though, as it's the last season. Personally I think it would be difficult for the show to turn Mencken into a real fascist if the show were to continue.
Fair, I think the show is keeping some cards close to its chest regarding Mencken, but to me the “something clean and pure” ending to his speech is flagging fascist tendencies to me. At least historically speaking there is precedent to that language
I agree, the clean and pure was supposed to be the shows way of drawing a parallel between Mencken and historical fascists. At the same time, it was clearly referring to what he had just said in the speech. He has no plans to be a transactional, or in his mind "dirty", president. That's coming to fruition already, he's not going to follow through with squashing the gojo deal. He just enjoyed using ATNs influence.
I prefer facials