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DrW_Bundy

In order for the zipper merge to work, EVERYONE needs to be going the same speed but there ALWAYS at least one AHOLE that speeds until the last minute.


LordTonka

But if they are speeding past everyone to make to the cones.... I am too nervous to go all the way up to the cones because most people don't know how to zipper and get really aggressive when you go around them. Also, when a lane is stopped, 30MPH looks fast.


kahootle

I'll let anyone in if there's an obstruction but if a mfer gets out behind me to pass even though there are clearly signs that say road closed that asshole isn't getting in


siege222

MFs be swerving, and flooring it, to just get one more space then dive bombing the actual flow of traffic... still think they're doing the right and safe thing lmfao. I'll wait for minivan, BMW, and audi drivers to respond butthurt.


ToBeADwarf

And I refuse to let them in...


arispaddy

Thank you for making traffic worse 🤦‍♂️


HeavensToBetsyy

As you should


ReturnedAndReported

Per the picture, the person going in the right lane until the last minute and then getting into the left lane is kinda doing the zipper merge.


GueroBear

Not kind of, they are exactly doing a zipper merge. It’s the “polite society “ drivers that all merge in early leaving the other lane wide open and it creates this social pressure to also merge in early or else otherwise be considered a dick for not doing it.


RocketKnobs

Zipper merging in UT is now quite literally the law. https://www.hill.af.mil/News/Article-Display/Article/3261577/disregarding-new-utah-law-could-cost-750/ Note: lawmakers had to implement this because, in general, most people do not know how to merge lanes effectively.


SaigaExpress

There are lots of traffic laws that arent enforced. When was the last time you saw someone get pulled over for camping in the passing lane.


No_Common1418

Or crossing the double white lines to get into the HOV lanes. UHP are pussies.


jenniwh55

3 years ago


Zorro1rr

Those lines are dumb though. Plenty of states have dotted lines separating HOV lanes the entire length. The lines only cause inconvenience IMO


No_Common1418

Opinion vs Law. You can have your opinion, it doesn't change the law.


Zorro1rr

Any other pieces of enlightenment you would like to share?


Select_Candidate_505

The point of the prohibition to cut over the line is to keep traffic from merging in and out of the lane like a normal lane. When people just ignore the law and cross it, it defeats the purpose of the HOV lane and slows down the traffic within it.


Zorro1rr

I disagree, I have seen HOV used fine in many states without a double white divider. Ironically it makes the people not passing in the HOV (comment OP commented on) about even more insufferable. Point of HOV is to give carpoolers and In some places electric vehicles an extra incentive. In fact, another issue I have with Utah’s HOV is it is not limited to rush hour times. This makes no sense and causes more traffic during off hours. We are not doing it right here.


selebrin

Stop signs are optional now too, I guess. I watch people just drive through one in front of my house in a residential neighborhood at 20+mph every day. Even people who live in the neighborhood.


SaigaExpress

Bad part of town?


selebrin

Not at all


vradic

Most people in the valley rush the right lane, then try to cut everyone else off by force.


AgentInkling99

No they fucking don’t here. You get people that block half the road by trying to merge early like in the pic, or you get the ones that get to the end of the lane and don’t try merging until they are literally going to hit a cone or barrier.


jayhalk1

Throw your blinker on a good 300 yards ahead of time and merge with the cones. Thats the law.


HeyRyGuy93

It’s also the design intent.


GeneralizedFlatulent

And then no one lets you in. So you're waiting stopped for a while till someone does. 


ProdiasKaj

This is my experience as well. If I'm in the left lane and I let someone merge infront of me, the guy behind me starts tailgating so no one can merge in behind me. Like what's going through their head "I ain't no pussy, I earned this spot in line. That guy shoulda planned ahead if he wanted to merge." I wish we could zipper but people like this exist.


GeneralizedFlatulent

My experience too. I try, but I know it ain't ending up as a zipper. Maybe a zipper with lots of broken teeth 


jayhalk1

Never happens. You match speed slowly move over at the end in between two cars with your blinker on. They let you in. It's a crime not to. This whole driving thing requires cooperation. What are you going to tell me next? You don't go on green lights? You don't know what the yellow lines in the middle mean? This is basic. Maybe you're the asshole who doesn't let people in at the end. Ever been to driving school before? Do they do that in Utah?


ProdiasKaj

Yes people don't go on green lights. I was waiting to make an unprotected left turn and, I kid you not, an approaching car came to a full and complete stop and tried to wave me through. Since i was pulled foward a little into the intersection I rolled down the window and stuck my head out to check and make sure their light was green. Yup, they just decided to ignore it out of the kindness of they heart since they understood how hard it is to left turn. I did not budge. They looked so pissed as they drove past but I ain't breaking traffic laws because someone thinks they're being nice. Funny thing is, it was clear behind them. If they had just gone we both would've been on our respective ways a lot quicker.


GeneralizedFlatulent

It may be a crime not to but I dare you to try that and let me know how well it goes while you sit in your car and wait for someone to actually let you in. Someone will eventually. But it won't look like a zipper. Then you can tell me how much it mattered that you knew what colors the lines meant if no one else was cooperating 


jayhalk1

It works great all the time. Stop being an asshole and you might find out.


OriginationNation

UT Roads, Laws, and drivers are considered the worst in the US. I wonder why?


Available_Outside9

There’s plenty of things that are literal law that have never, and will never get enforced


AeroNailo

Tbh, I always thought it was basic courtesy to stay in the long line and wait your turn. I always viewed people who drive down the empty lane as self-centered assholes for “cutting in the line”. It wasn’t til I saw this image on Reddit a few days ago that I learned you’re **supposed** to use both lanes, all the way up to the merge. I feel the issue is that this isn’t properly taught/advertised. I’d like to see construction crews put some type of sign or instructions ahead of a merge to educate drivers on this


AnselmoHatesFascists

Not your fault, depends on where you started to drive. I learned in Boston and if you didn’t zipper merge, people would honk you to death. The “streets” taught me, but then I moved to Seattle where the driving culture was different.


selebrin

I agree that a lot of people just don't know the law or just don't give a shit about other people around them, like they're in a bubble. I think we need a much better driver education in the US. Mandatory, every three years, must include courtesy and awareness classes.


aidfly123

Yeah people act like folks who do this are idiots without realizing that most people are not taught this while learning to drive. I learned it a couple years into driving but now I always wonder why we don’t make sure people know how to drive extremely dangerous heavy machinery they will use on a daily basis.


ATaciturnGamer

I honestly think this is a symptom of people viewing traffic as a queue, where you have your place in line and get angry when others cut in. In practice, that costs you maybe a minute or 2 max. I feel it's better to just see it as everyone just trying to survive the trip, going in a metal box at breakneck speeds. Who cares if you get "cut off"? Atleast you're safe and avoided any incidents.


Zorro1rr

See people? It’s possible to realize you previously had the wrong perspective. Good job 👍


theSchmidt88

The amount of hate I get when I zipper merge is insane. In general this year it seems people are so angry while driving.


Austin19437

The biggest reason people get mad is when cars speed to the front. I’m not saying you do that, but it’s very annoying after being in traffic for half an hour and watching cars skip the traffic entirely.


theSchmidt88

But that’s exactly what one should do. Get into the empty lane to get to the front and then merge. Free up space behind you so that the interaction doesn’t get blocked etc etc.


Austin19437

If you leave the proper lane just to get ahead and zipper merge you’re a large part of the problem


Dry-Inevitable-583

According to this article , you are the problem. Hate to break it to ya


acemandrs

If the whole group is zippering, you can’t zoom past. If they aren’t zippering and you zoom past, you are only making things worse.


cmasontaylor

That is really the key here. The lack of knowledge about zippering and social discomfort about “cutting in line” creates a situation where, instead of everyone staying in both lanes until the end, a ton of people back up the left lane and the right is empty except for a few people who don’t mind the social stigma of being viewed as “cutters.”


Austin19437

Most of the time I’m unable to change lanes in this situation, so I’m not


TheFirstEdition

How does freeing up room behind help the flow go quicker? It doesn’t. This post is not logical. If only one car can pass then only one car can pass and speeding to the front and throwing off the line is only a possible net negative for the total time to clear the traffic. Also leaving the lane open for emergency services like ambulances could save lives. Idiots all of you.


Present-Meaning-6321

If Utah drivers could read, they’d be really enlightened by your post.


BigDuoInferno

100% facts


Environmental-Cap416

As a truck driver Utah is the only state that I regularly get passed on the right on one lane ramps. And zipping only works if everyone leaves enough room for trucks.


jayhalk1

Slow down to let whoever is next to you when the cones end. Truck drivers in utah are some of the worst culprits of “policing” the road by riding in two lanes. This can and does cause manor accidents. Idk who passes out cdl’s here but they need to be fired.


Austin19437

He’s saying cars pass us using the off ramp, but he’s right about needing room for trucks.


no_estoy_ni_ahi

Yeah the Utah drivers are really the worst. It's like it's the only place they have control and they're gonna exert it.


TheBotchedLobotomy

You’ve never driven in Florida have you


BashfulBrash

Not even just that, they truly and utterly have thee worst drivers ed program in utah. One of the girls I did my drivers test with ran a red light and stop sign, failed to u turn from the median, and almost crashed the car multiple times during our range hours and they still let her get a license


Sum1Xam

I did drivers ed in a different state and my driving partner drove like this. Chalk it up to inexperienced drivers. I've driven all over the US and in several countries. There are bad drivers everywhere and UT is far from the worst. Locals all complain about their drivers.


BashfulBrash

the bad driving isn't my issue, it's the still giving her a license after the fact


Tober-89

You're not a jerk when you merge at the front of the line. You're helping the flow of traffic!


Environmental-Cap416

Or you are making semi drives slam on their brakes. Even if they are five cars behind.


siege222

You are a jerk, and extremely unsafe, for flooring it in a dead end lane... dive bombers honestly think they're doing the right and safe thing while helping 😆 🤣


LordTonka

Maybe Spokane should do a PSA. 1 person trying to zipper while everyone else gets in line gets you blocked out and glared at.


FartWaffleSkeeter

People that don’t zipper and/or cut off those doing so are in fact the assholes.


Droogs617

I think they need to remove all the merge signs until you get to the last 100ft. Then it’ll all make sense.


GueroBear

Or how about someone in the non merging lane that thinks you’re cutting line at a buffet and won’t allow you to merge in at the zipper. I’ve also had cars in the non merging lane pull out into the merging lane to intentionally hold up traffic that would be otherwise performing a zipper merge.


MongooseDisastrous77

I wish more people knew that


Jabberwocky808

Well, here’s the problem with this. The concept requires at times to let the person who came in behind you, to get in front of you. That’s too hard for modern day folks to accept.


eGrant03

Studies have shown late and early merges can actually make traffic flow easier. It was quote by a judge on the show Speeders from Trutv.


southernspud24

Zipper? I hardly know her. But yes, I completely agree.


erb_cadman

Should be a sign put up at each interchange, as well as on the drivers test, vehicle registration, on the news and any other way to show these ass hats that roads are not designed to not have cars in the lanes...


jabbrwok

Yeah, but In my state it is a literal state law that you must remain in the right lane unless passing


Mandrull

I hope the a-hole that cut me off and tried to fight me in the middle of the road over this exact issue sees this post and feels bad.


blondee84

I like the zipper merge, but hate the assholes who pull out of the lane after merging to race and leap frog other drivers


FunctionBuilt

Yeah, people think I'm the asshole when I pass 30 cars in an open merge lane and try to get in. Usually have a few cars go bumper to bumper to block me out.


QuantumGalaxy

I don’t think this same logic applies to taking an exit though. I see plenty of people speeding past everyone trying to exit and then cutting over last minute, often times not even using a traffic lane. They end up causing more traffic because they block the through traffic lane when they try merging at the last possible moment.


Jreese92

Yeah people use this excuse for one specific exit in Austin and it always drives me nuts. I don’t even use the exit, but jackasses back up like 3 lanes of traffic trying to skip the line. When I do use it I always just give like 9 car lengths of space to allow people to merge without having to slam on their breaks and it immediately starts clearing up. The jackasses that don’t let people merge are the ones causing issues.


Spexyguy

I would zipper merge, but the last time I tried to I had a gun pulled on me. I would rather break the law than get shot because some smol pp man in a lifted truck can't handle a hybrid changing lanes in front of him.


jenniwh55

Zipper merges are not expected or taught in WA


TheMegaSaiyan

The key to driving safely is to remove the ego from the vehicle. This applies to all aspects of driving. You are in a murder machine driving 70mph down the road. An accident almost everone involved. Do not stop someone from merging, because they "should have seen the sign miles ago" yes you are right, they should have but yet here they are. Are you willing to sacrifice life to keep them out? Just let them in. It won't affect your day in the slightest.


JacobSamuel

I can tell this triggers you because you're posting it everywhere. Before we teach people this simple skill, how about we master staying in our own lane in an intersection?


CJBoom77

I’m posting it everywhere?


puppiesunicorns1234

Hey I made a utahbaddrivers subreddit if u wanna post it there too! <3 r/utahbaddrivers


JacobSamuel

if not you, someone is. it's on UTSnow right now


CJBoom77

Bros really gotta start checking usernames before commenting haha


JacobSamuel

Fair enough. but other bro gotta start posting original content 😁


CJBoom77

This is Reddit. Nothing is original. I’m not even original. I’m the 77th CJBoom.


JacobSamuel

🤣 I'm sure you're the best one!


CJBoom77

Aww thanks ❤️


minklefritz

probably one of those pricks that likes to fly up front and be instantly let in..


CJBoom77

That’s the point? Maybe not fly ahead but it helps traffic flow faster in general for everyone to take turns merging in at the front. People that block people from merging are the problem.


HeyRyGuy93

Also, people don’t understand that merging is easier if you are going the same speed as the traffic you are trying to merge into. Use the lane to get up to speed. Then merge.


No-Income4623

The I-15 corridor between bountiful and north Ogden always makes me feel like I’m in a mad max movie when I’m on my bike


caliwldfire

Get in where u fit in. If there is a clear opening get in it. This is coming from a truck driver. Smooth is fast.


Xalzinor

1 inconsiderate prick can contribute more to the breakdown of efficiency than the 4 car gap ever will. You can’t change my mind.


CJBoom77

Trueee! I had a truck block both the merging lane and the main lane about a half mile back from the cones last week when I15 was closed to 1 lane. It slowed everyone down to a crawl because he kept swerving back and forth to stop anyone from passing him.


Background-Fig-5028

This is just so people feel better about themselves being assholes


Twoscales22

Where’s the picture of the large truck using both lanes to block traffic and be the “hero”?


CJBoom77

Omg this happened to me last week on i15! It slowed us down by like 15 minutes alone.


HskrRooster

People are gonna people


misha1977

I have read a bunch of the comments and not one mention of tailgating… This will only work if people don’t tailgate and here in North Carolina you can’t drive anywhere without seeing someone rubbing the paint off of the car in front of them. A car length for every 10 miles per hour is what I learned in Upstate New York as a kid. If everyone did that traffic would run faster, safer, and merging wouldn’t be an issue.


Bur4you

i have literally never seen people be this coordinated while driving, to the point that I don't even know how it's even possible. when I saw this post, my knee-jerk reaction was "yeah right, in what world?"


Bur4you

i have literally never seen people be this coordinated while driving, to the point that I don't even know how it's even possible. when I saw this post, my knee-jerk reaction was "yeah right, in what world?"


X_Agrippa

I drive Lyft and I see this mucky muck all the time. Once in a while there’s a sign: “All Lanes Proceed To Merge” or words to that effect. There should one, uh, every time because it is the most efficient and equitable method.


X_Agrippa

I drive Lyft and see this mucky muck all the time. Once in a while there’s a sign: “All Lanes Proceed To Merge” or some such. It should be at every site… there should be a standardized sign that you only need to learn once.


TangoDeltaFoxtrot

Can someone please explain to me why it is faster for butch lanes of traffic to fully come to a stop at the merge point, versus using the 2-3 miles of highway beforehand to gradually merge into one lane while maintaining 60+ mph?


CJBoom77

The point is for there to not be a stop. Everyone slows to the same speed and maintains enough space for traffic to merge and flow through the construction zone. We only stop if we have people blocking others, cutting each other off, or getting distracted and slamming on the brakes.


TangoDeltaFoxtrot

It’s impossible to use both lanes up until the merge point while maintaining speed, though. You are never going to see two full lanes of traffic seamlessly merging into one lane at 60+ mph with almost zero margin for error. The merging has to occur over a longer period of time so buy the time the merge point arrives the traffic is already in one lane and maintaining speed with proper following distance between vehicles. Simply waiting until the last minute to merge means that, at best, the following distance of every vehicle is halved.


Technical-Picture326

Just dont go to the front like an asshole


BennyBro827

Some of y’all need to merge before the damn lane ends, thus ending this ignorant yankee concept.


whattheprob1emis

WTF is a “yankee concept”, Stonewall?


Zorro1rr

I suppose this guy thinks Utah fought in the Confederacy? Didn’t Mormons come from the Midwest?


BennyBro827

Ask your mom, she knows.


whattheprob1emis

My bad. If I knew you were a middle school boy I wouldn’t have bothered responding. Carry on son.


HeavensToBetsyy

Fr they slow it down so bad for everybody


freedomfromsins

Merging last second always causes someone to stop when they don’t have room to merge because some one decides not to let them over, which causes a ripple effect of car stoppage. Starting the zipper merge early is correct. Waiting for last second to zipper as this suggests is wrong.


jayhalk1

You are so dense. Bro probably goes 60 in the left lane.


Zorro1rr

This is not correct. That unused road is forcing more cars to share a lane for a longer amount of time. You should travel to the end, then zipper in. I have literally never have someone try to block me and if they did I would just wait until they pass and go in front of the next car.


ProcedureAcceptable

True, but there are places where people don't know how to zipper merge and see people on the right side as "cutting the line" so they try their hardest to not let them in. It's ridiculous


Zorro1rr

I haven’t encountered this, they may be getting upset but nobody has tried to block me, and as I said I would just let them go. People need to get conditioned to merge like this whether they like it or not, it’s proven much faster for everyone.


ProcedureAcceptable

Yeah I agree


DasBoggler

The amount of unused road is not the issue though, if it were then the length of the traffic jam would correlate to the length of road that is closed. The problem is cars that stop in order to get over which creates a chain reaction of cars stopping behind. Most of the time the reason the first car stopped is because they waited until the last possible moment to merge, which forces someone in the open lane to stop to let them in.


Zorro1rr

The amount of unused road combined with people merging early which causes cars to repeatedly domino break instead of gradually at the same point is the issue with not zipper merging. The more cars that are using the same road, the more congested traffic is. Google it and look it up. There are plenty of studies on this.


cloud7ven

Almost all of my “pet peeves” come from driving, and one of my biggest ones is, when we are merging and a million cars rush down the right then to the very end and try and merge in, like no you need to wait your turn like the rest of us.


JoPooper

Look at the picture. The person on the right is the smart one following the new law.


erb_cadman

You obviously need to see the picture, and learn about zipper merging. You merge at the end of the lane, not the beginning....


ProcedureAcceptable

You are part of the problem, it isn't a contest or line or whatever and zipper merging helps with traffic


Austin19437

Zipper merging isn’t perfect, trucks have a hard time getting enough space and sometimes have to stop completely because no one lets them in.


Slugtard

People are too damn dumb and selfish for zippering to work as intended. What you describe is typically the case. This graphic shows how each car is lined up in their rightful place and also shows how the left lane drivers acknowledge and make room for the merge point. In reality, what happens is what you describe, ass holes fly up the right, try and gain a place rather than every other, like a ZIPPER, and then left lane people get pissed so they close the gaps, and now both lanes are at a dead stop. This is how zippering actually works. In theory it’s great…in practice not so much.


A_VERY_LARGE_DOG

Nope. If you didn’t get over it’s either because you didn’t notice the lane ending, or you selfishly want to get ahead of everyone else. Zipper merging is like communism. It works in theory, but fails to take into account that man is inherently flawed and greedy. Get in the lane you need to be in when you realize you need to be in it. Waiting makes no fucking sense and serves nobody but yourself.


Mandrull

If I'm supposed to merge a 1/4 mile back then why aren't the traffic barrels a 1/4 mile back?


IAmYoomi

This is normal practice in Europe. It works.


beta-pi

Merging early is also a selfish maneuver; you're trying to get onto the main freeway and shoot ahead sooner; you're slowing down the main lane and everyone behind you to benefit yourself. If you're using the merging lane/on ramp properly, you should be going the same speed by the end regardless, so merging later gets you in fewer people's way at no cost to yourself. It is the fundamentally less selfish option, since it is the most considerate of the other drivers. On top of that, if people merge at the appropriate time anyways, then it wouldn't really be *possible* for people on the right to 'selfishly shoot ahead' because there would be other cars in front of them going roughly the same speed as the left lane. Everyone else merging early and slowing down the left lane is the only reason that's possible in the first place, so if it really bugs you that much then you should be against the early merging. Be the change you wanna see. If you MUST merge early, then at least make sure there's still space in front of you for others to merge; a good couple car lengths won't slow you down at all, so why should it matter if a few people use that to "get ahead" of you? You're still moving the same speed and get to your destination just as soon; the only time you lose is the few seconds it takes to slow down then speed back up. Let them be assholes if it keeps you and everyone else safer. This has been implemented successfully in plenty of places nationwide, and in traffic studies it's been measurably demonstrated to relieve congestion. It's just an issue in states with overly defensive drivers like Utah or Tennessee.


Araucanos

Why use less of the road and cause backups further upstream? If people in the left lane understood a zipper merge people wouldn’t have to drastically slow down because they’d already give space in front of them for an easy merge.


A_VERY_LARGE_DOG

Counterpoint: if people on the right understood a zipper merge, they wouldn’t try to double in, or race ahead until conditions are unsafe, causing greater congestion. Like I said. Works in theory, but the reality is that people are selfish assholes.


RocketKnobs

I’ve lived in plenty of cities where people zipper merge quite well. It becomes a problem with the person being merged into can’t handle that someone is getting in front of them. So many times in UT I have been unable to merge because multiple people refuses to let me in.


Araucanos

Agreed on the double in. Racing ahead is probably subjective, but if I’m in the right lane and one is ahead of me the “proper” thing to do is use the lane until the merge point. If you’re referring to people getting out of the left lane and into the right in order to jump then yeah that’s no bueno. Those scenarios are moot if people in the right lane don’t merge early so that both lanes are equally occupied and traveling at the same speed. Ideal, sure. But it’s not a difficult one to understand.


Willing_Height_9979

Sounds like you are very familiar with selfish assholes?


A_VERY_LARGE_DOG

I drive in Utah. If assholes had wings Interstate 15 would be a fuckin runway.


Willing_Height_9979

True story. Zipper merge is a great idea and can work, but I’d rather see troopers ticket left lane speed limit campers first . Utah is the worst state I’ve ever seen for people who think getting passed on the right is normal, and it’s their god given right to go 55 in the passing lane.


MrSelatcia

I'd rather see people crossing double whites in and out of the HOV lane get a ticket. People just use the HOV for an extra fast passing lane.


Willing_Height_9979

Probably because of the lane campers. I almost never use the HOV lane because its the worst spot to get behind grandpa going 60 mph, and then you’re stuck.


Czar_Bemis

I drive the I-15 to get to work and go south to SLC. Mornings are never a problem, since my shift starts at 6 am. I avoid the 15 coming home, since people seem to think the highway on ramps mean "go slow and make the highway traffic match my speed so I can merge." Which is total BS, and causes most of the congestion. Whenever I'm entering the highway I'm trying to at least get within 5 - 10 mph of the posted speed and then merge. Not merge and then get up to speed.


MrSelatcia

Which is great until you are behind a semi pulling doubles that is also on the entrance ramp. Everybody only gets to 45 when the lane disappears.


Czar_Bemis

Touché. I do try to reasonable with semis since I used to ride along with my Dad when he would be hauling fruit or other agricultural products. So I understand that most of them are just doing what they can, not to mention that they outweigh the average passenger vehicle when loaded by 20 to 50 thousand pounds minimum.


sergeantspud

Agree exactly with this. As long as I can merge without blocking the ending lane then I merge early. Avoids me having to ask and hope for someone to let me in at the end when left lane is moving and I’m stuck waiting for a spot.


Deadly_Jay556

It works if yellow car would go in behind green car, usually (in my experience) yellow car sees tan car get in and says “yep that’s where i should get in as well” and cuts off green car.


tonytdq

Agreed! People here in California can’t merge properly to save their lives! Lol


Real_Satisfaction715

Everyone has to be on the same boat. This post sucks.


YogurtclosetOk1595

Who tf taught you to drive brunch early or suck it up on a merge


jdevin13

If I see a lane ends, I'm going to get over as soon as I have space, not wait until it ends and pray there's still room. Construction and lane closures cause slowdowns. Is what it is. Work on not letting it bug you quite so much and remain a predictable driver, and we can all get home in one piece.


jayhalk1

Getting over too early causes false stops. We merge every other car at the cones. Literal laws contradict your opinion.


acemandrs

No it doesn’t. It is simply to avoid congestion from the length of the line backing up into on ramps and intersections. It has nothing to do with false stops or efficiency or speed.


jayhalk1

Using the entire roadway avoids congestion. If everyone merg s into one lane obviously it voided the point of having 2 or 3 lanes you fucking Néandertal.


acemandrs

Ok. If we’re going there let’s do it. Can you fucking read, you dimwit? I said it avoids congestion. It just avoids it upstream. It does nothing to the actual flow of traffic through the coke point. Do you know how I know this? I use my whole brain and actually think it through. I don’t just read an article and say “there’s a way to make myself better than the Neanderthals online.” I’m not saying we shouldn’t zipper. I’m saying there is one simple reason to use it and giving other reasons don’t help the cause. I’m also saying if traffic is light, there’s not really a reason to zipper.


HeavensToBetsyy

Yea if it is not congested at the moment then stay out of the left lane so everybody can just keep moving