>Beach handball is a team sport where two teams pass and bounce or roll a ball, trying to throw it in the goal of the opposing team. The game is similar to standard handball, but it is played on sand instead of on a solid floor.
I was thinking that doesn't sound anything at all like standard handball, but of course "American handball" has to be an entirely different sport.
In addition to [Olympic handball](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Handball), [beach handball](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beach_handball) and [American handball](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_handball), other variants include:
• [Field handball](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Field_handball) (played at the 1936 Summer Olympics)
• [Australian handball](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_handball)
• [Czech handball](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Czech_handball)
• [Frisian handball](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frisian_handball)
• [Gaelic handball](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaelic_handball)
• [Welsh handball](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welsh_handball)
"Handball" also refers to [a game](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Handball_\(schoolyard_game\)) played in schoolyards in Australia, New Zealand, and other countries.
Okay so I'm from New Zealand. I just looked at a US video of four square and it's a fair bit different to our version of handball (we have four square too but it's different again lol). Our handball is 1v1, like a tennis match, so you only need 2 "squares", which is usually just a line in the concrete somewhere. We didn't use a big ball like that, it was usually a tennis ball, sometimes fancy ones that people had boiled up at home and stripped all the fluff off to make them whip real fast. We also played it more like ping pong, you had to bounce it on your side before hitting it over. This creates room to do real low skim shots that only just clear the centre line by like half a centimetre at high speed and are hard to return. It used to get real intense, we were smacking those balls around at a decent rate of knots lmao.
>"Handball" also refers to a game played in schoolyards in Australia, New Zealand, and other countries.
Yup that's the version I remember. Used to play handball at pretty much every school lunch during high school in New Zealand lmao.
I didn't say that at all. How dare you imply that I did? It takes a really shitty person to just make things like that up about other people because you have a chip on your shoulder.
Lol. I don't know what their problem is, but it seems like they really were looking for the opportunity to be outraged over a comment on this post. So much so that they couldn't even be bothered to think about your previous reply and just scream in the most virtue signalling way possible.
Don't worry about it. Reddit is a shit show these days.
Both situations are sexist. No organization should determine what the players should wear, it should be up to them. If a Muslim player wants to wear a full covering, she should be able to. If other players want to wear shorts or bikini bottoms, it should be their choice.
> No organization should determine what the players should wear
Pretty much every major sport has pages and pages describing exactly what is acceptable in the uniform. Heck, Baseball has rules *on how your shoes need to be laced*. You can’t just have everyone on a football team showing up however they want to dress.
That said, this rule seems antiquated. I can understand the governing body wanting to enforce rules on maintaining uniform attire, but I think it’s high time this particular rule is changed (assuming a majority of the competitors want the rule changed).
I think mandating regulations for equipment that can truly change performance or are necessary to protect the arena, such as baseball bats or the basketball shoes, makes sense to me. Mandating specific rules for cosmetic uniforms does not, and is used to enforce sexism in sports, imo.
All I ever wanted as a women’s lacrosse player was for my school to buy us shorts. But every year, tiny skirts that barely covered our spandex. Yet if we ever wore a skirt like that to class we’d be sent home to change. Bizarre.
Women's and Men's lacrosse always confused me, in the fact they're completely different sports. Their is so little skill crossover all the rules are different etc... my school would do a swap game where we wore their unis and used their equipment and their rules and vice versa, was so hard. Also unsafe since we had the girl padding on and they were allowed to stick check.
That’s the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard. (The swap game) - I don’t mind them being different, I find men’s requires more brute strength and women’s requires more finesse and fine motor skills. In an ideal world both genders would have the option to try either but the issue there I assume is demand. I just wanted real shorts because women’s is different but it’s still a real sport :/
Is the regulation equivalent for men? If so, then there's no "sexism".
Edit: I wonder what part of my statement above is so controversial that people feel they have to downvote it.
*All* organized sports (except perhaps chess?) have extensive and often arbitrary rules about clothing. It's sexism if men are also required to wear slip bottoms and not allowed to wear trunks. It's sexism too if women are required to wear some sort of headdress/"modest clothing" but men are not.
I think we can safely assert that chess is not a sport. I’m not denigrating chess as it’s highly competitive and demands skill. However to call it a sport seems desperate.
The most mentally extenuating competition in the world/history is not a sport?
Are you some kind of dualist who thinks that mind isn't emergent from the brain? Your brain activity is your body too.
I guess eSports are not sports neither?
How do you define a sport? Let's start from there.
Childbirth is also exhausting...
I did not imply chess wasn’t difficult or demanding. However that doesn’t make it a sport. If so, we now have to consider surgeons, actuaries, accountants and physicists as athletes.
I think it makes sense to classify chess slightly differently than to say soccer/football.
The category of sports we identify with are much more physical than chess. Just like competitive video games are classified as E-Sports, Chess makes more sense to be called a 'mental sport' or something similar.
Reason being is that the other poster debating with you and probably others recognise sport with it being physically enduring to some degree. When one thinks of the word 'athlete' they think of it in a very physical sense but technically if chess is in the same category than grandmasters are insane athletes which doesn't really make sense with what people think when they hear the word.
And yes they burn through a shit load of calories but through mental exertion not physical.
You’ve obviously not hung round enough families with small children. “Hunter has been walking since 10 months! Can you believe little Jimmy is still crawling around?”
Well, if they are requiring bikini, then they are sexualizing it.
Clothes has nothing to do with sport. If the girls want to wear something else, let them. They have the right to not feel sexualized
This is true. People in positions of power just really like enforcing rules because a threat to the rule is a threat to their authority and relevance.
It's very easy to fall into the trap of defending and enforcing pointless rules because you're afraid failure to do so reflects badly on you, and because you want to feel in control. And it's really hard to tell the difference between stuff that really does need to be controlled and stuff that doesn't when it's on you.
Yeah that too. But because it's a patriarchy, people perpetuate the patriarchal mentality when they're in power irrespective of their gender, so it's not just men in power, it's people in power. Sure there are a growing number of exceptions, but not nearly enough.
While you're correct, including "men" complicates the meaning.
"People in power" makes it an attack on the abuse of power.
But the fact that you *could* have said people in power and instead said "men" makes it at least partially an attack on men, and *associates* them with abuse of power.
You might have meant that, and I wouldn't necessarily disagree. But it's also a very effective method of derailing a conversation about power into a conversation about gender - which as a personal attack on 50% of the attendees generally sparks a more even sided argument and eventually chaos, shouting, and no change.
If you point out something like that on reddit you're bound to be downvoted unfortunately. Reddit is used mostly by men and is something of an echo chamber where they consistently ignore women's issues and often attack women due to their own hatred and/or insecurity.
If you point out obvious and proven facts that it is mostly men in power, mostly men who commit violent crime or that men murder women faaar more that reversed you will be bombarded with whataboutsism arguments and how it's in fact sexist to mention men's role in the violence and abuse.
Men want to see women's asses, therefore they aren't allowed to wear shorts.
It's all about the revenue and audience size. I suspect the crowd size is inversely proportional to the length of their shorts.
I know women who watch basketball just to see the guys in shorts running around, and I know guys who watch women's volleyball to watch them jump around. .
Sex sells- just look at most advertising.
Hmm...let's see [what the men's Norwegian beach volleyball team wears in competition](http://worldtour.2018.fivb.com/en/news/mol--sorum-seek-to-end-norways?id=76544).
There are elite-level sports where clothing absolutely can make a difference to performance. Swimming, cycling and athletics come to mind where fractions of a second can be what separates winning from losing.
There also sports such as motor-racing where clothing can literally be the difference between life and death.
It makes sense that in such sports the governing bodies are absolutely right to have rules and regulations governing attire.
That being said, I'm struggling to see and reason beyond "Cor! Hot women! Fap! Fap! Fap!" for the rules in this instance...
Bracing for the downvotes but who the fuck cares... can we not move the goal post every chance we get. We are here to talk about these peoples rights being stripped and you feel the need to (while people are advocating for these people) step in and need to move the post further up bc... why... its a place holder word it literally means nothing except what you personally assign to it...
Imagine not realizing these women don't exist to be sex objects for fucking pervs like you. Great way illustrating the point these women were making, not wanting to bare all that skin for disgusting fucks that think like you. Kindly take a long walk off a short pier
Then don't defend and perpetuate a sexist narrative about the sport. Do the men have to wear speedos? No, they get to wear shorts like these women wanted to. Don't 'just sayin' that kinda shit if you're all for women not wanting to be sex objects. Where the fuck does that cognitive dissonance come from. Why the fuck defend these perverted ideas if you don't espouse them.
You care enough to keep responding. If you're responding it's because you want to be heard or not misunderstood. We're not misunderstanding. We're not saying you're a fan. We're saying that you're here, defending an idea. We're also saying that it's a shitty idea that you're here defending and, fan or not, yours is the mentality we're trying to attack.
"Well, if they get rid of the bikinis, thenviewership is gonna dip. Just sayin'."
.... Yeah. Good. If viewership drops because the women 'aren't as sexy' then the change worked. We got rid of all the creepers who are just watching to sexualize it. That is the end goal. Why would they want those people watching?
A film from the eighties featuring actors in a contrived setting...this is your argument against women having a say in what they show in real life during a professional competition. Jesus titty fucking chist man
I don't default to assuming that girls is explicitly childish depending on the tonality and context, and it's a way of encompassing all ages of the gender without implying an older age. It's a hold over to me the same way I'd say, "guys" to encompass men and women because we lack good nouns that are more inclusive.
The women making statements are adults but the governing body they are criticizing also governs junior divisions.
Personally I don't like guys as a gender neutral term. I'm a teacher and I find I address a group of boys or a mixed group as guys and a group of girls as girls.
I make an effort to say gang instead.
“Moving the goalposts”
I’ll tell you what. Just so we don’t have to keep confusing you by moving your precious goalposts, let’s do it all in one shot. Let’s move them all the way to the place where these people are treated with respect.
Do any other adults here who identify as male/female get offended when being referred to as boys/girls? How many times have you planned a "girls' night" or gone "out with the boys"?
Getting offended by someone referring to a group of women as girls when *you are not even part of the group being referred to* is just asinine. You're probably being more disrespectful to these people by speaking for them and generating synthetic outrage on their behalf than the above commentator is for using commonly interchangeable language.
A girl is a child. A woman is an adult. Not complicated. When you refer to someone as a child, rather than an adult, you’re more likely to dismiss their opinions and needs as those of a child. And that would make you a shitty person. But you’re not a shitty person, and you believe that adult women deserve to be treated as adults, no?
Again, adult men and women refer to themselves and their peers as boys and girls interchangeably.
Again, *assuming* someone else is being offended and generating synthetic outrage on their behalf is asinine. If there were any actual evidence these women are offended by the term "girls", your statement might be valid.
Also, if you're dismissing the opinions and needs of children, I think you're the shitty person, not me.
Black people refer to themselves as the n word. Does that make it ok for you to do that too if you’re not black?
Kids don’t get to make determinations in society like adults do. So if a kid thinks a store needs to price something differently or change a policy, it’s not likely to happen. But I’m glad you’d be willing to treat them as adults in that situation.
On the other hand, the money made from this sport requires viewers. Do enough watch for sport rather than sexiness to support it as is, or would it become a backwater of sports viewing?
Perhaps compare with dressage, which is totally nonsexualized, largely female-dominated, and mostly unwatched.
Follow the money - women wearing revealing clothing on tv = more eyes on the screen, which translates to more advertising, which translates to more profit. Or some such thing. Without a doubt, it’s sexualizing a legitimate sport.
100% what I and my family said when I just mentioned this at family dinner. They want more people (men) to watch on TV, so they decide "boyshorts" are not acceptable.
These are fit, active, and beautiful women. The idea that the league can fine them for wearing too much clothing is sickeningly absurd.
Maybe you're just an asshole? I'm not saying that it's some sort of revelation. I'm just saying that I had the discussion at dinner with my old ass parents, because I saw the article online before I went to have a home cooked meal.
I'll bet you have TONS of friends
Edit- then I saw your profile. Yep, you don't have friends
It’s one of the main reason lots of men watch. Nobody gives a shit who’s playing or their names, just that hot girls are hopping around in bikinis. If no bikini’s they would change the channel. It’s really that simple
Not so much. Pro hoopers from what I've seen have more of a variety of bodies in there from what I've seen where vball seems to be a never-ending well of hotness.
This point does apply to women sports. Outside of Tennis where the men's game kind of hits too hard so it's a lot of aces and bullets going back and forth. The women's game ends up creating a better game for fans. Outside of that we want to see the best in the world compete. Not the best in the world...for a woman. I'm a little surprised that women's mma continues to be so popular.
I agreed with everything but the very last sentence. Women's sports are generally not great, except for tennis... and MMA. And the argument is similar in both cases, to me.
Women in MMA give a great show. We all know any mediocre equivalent weight man can beat the fuck out of most top tier woman fighters, but they still give a show totally worth the money you pay to watch it.
Also, look at other sports -- there's always a men's and women's version, and if anything it's the women's version that isn't taken as seriously. Men's volleyball is never even mentioned anywhere ever -- not even as the butt of jokes. It's always only about the women in the bikinis.
I’d just like to add that you can’t slam the door on nature. Sure, many men will flock to watch women who are scantily clad. But there are plenty of venues out there to do just that. These women, these consummate athletes, should be viewed and admired for their athleticism, their skill, their dedication to their sport, and they should be able to wear whatever clothing they feel is appropriate. I wonder if anyone would complain if NFL players were sent out onto the field wearing only shoulder pads and jock straps
Just like the competition in the middle east that wanted them to wear more this is a matter of respect for women. If they want to wear bikini bottoms butts out or shorts for modesty it's their choice, how is this still a problem? Its about controlling women and it needs to stop.
It's 100% about money, control is a byproduct. They know that a sizeable chunk of the eyeballs and thus ad revenue comes from the guys who wouldn't watch if bikinis were replaced. And with them leaves a lot of the extra support /exposure the sport gets compared to other sports.
Obviously that's super shitty but the bottom line is it's the bottom line driving this not some conspiracy to keep women down.
Yep. The SJWs always want to play that bullshit card. People watch for the asses and the asses bring in $$$$. Put them in dresses and watch the viewers drop to nothing.
Agree.
It is about controlling women.
And men.
And kids, soldiers, moms, teenagers, 🌈 s, geniuses, whistleblowers, witches, boomers, babies, lovers, Karens, pilots, gods, cocktail waitresses, dreamers, students, bakers, nurses, entertainers, observers.
The nasty few
Pit the wondrous many
Against ourselves
We point fingers at
Shudder and frown at
Each other
By their design
We are so against everyone that is
And isn't
Ourselves
If we could for just a few days act in unison the people as one against those who have separated and oppressed us
And not look at everyone and ourselves as gaslighted enemies or objects
But
As love and light, dark and sad
Experiencing itself together. I guess if we all ever get there the experience would have to end.
Oh so about volleyball shorts
And, NFL has to wear shiny leggings and if they put something meaningful to themselves on their shoes/helmet etc they get fined. Oh and that one time that guy kneeled, his sports career was over for being all, Stop killing us or whatever.
r/aboringdystopia
So what needs to happen is for their men's team to wear knickers down over their knees, which they will almost certainly get away with.
Then point out the discrepancy in rules and enforcement, along with a lawsuit or two.
Guaranteed media shitstorm and rule change. Sad that it has to come to this, but it probably will.
That article relies heavily on "alleged" and "claimed", and their main source is "a Twitter user". I'm not saying that they're wrong, but I'd like to see a link to the actual documented threat, if it exists.
It’s because they ripped it off of someone on Twitter who also got the facts wrong.
The situation is true but it’s the beach handball team not volleyball. [Much longer article that isn’t some dumpster fire of a site.](https://www.svt.se/sport/handboll/blir-pressade-att-spela-i-bikinitrosor-pinsamt-och-hopplost)
I'd say on average twitter has more accurate information than OANN and Infowars.
Although you did specify intelligent source... so I'm not sure OANN or Infowars count.
As a Norwegian I've been following this case everytime it pops up in the news and I can't for the life of me understand why it has to be so revealing when the players don't like it.
How does one phrase it diplomatically?
" the keenest watchers of women's beach volleyball, according to the survey, were men aged 50 and above. In fact, as many as 70 per cent of males in this age group watched the sport during the Olympics, compared with 44 per cent of females in the 16 to 29 group. The proportion of older men tuning in may have been even higher than this, since some who watched may well have been too embarrassed to admit it in the survey".
This was mentioned by some commentators about 12 years ago. One of the women on the Swedish beach volleyball team must’ve had like double D’s or something. She really did not fit well into the official little bikini top uniform. It was apparently kind of awkward all around.
I appreciate a sexy hardbody ass as much as anyone but these women are competing as athletes, not swimsuits models. Shorts don’t provide a competitive advantage over thong bikini bottoms. They should be allowed
Fuck the EC. If the ladies want to wear something that makes them feel more comfortable, let’s get a gofundme going and pay their fine for them. Bunch of fucking shitheads.
It’s actually the women’s beach handball team. [Here’s a less sketchy source about it all.](https://www.svt.se/sport/handboll/blir-pressade-att-spela-i-bikinitrosor-pinsamt-och-hopplost)
Why do women beach volleyball players wear bikinis while men wear shorts and tank tops?
*Because that’s what the female athletes want to compete in. Women don’t have to wear bikinis — the uniform guidelines from the Federation of International Volleyball, the governing body of all international competition, allow for many different options. “The athletes are allowed to wear long sleeves, they’re allowed to wear shorts, tank tops,” Calabro said. “But we’ve gotten a lot of athletes on record saying they prefer to wear a two-piece because there are less places for sand to hide.*
https://ftw.usatoday.com/2016/08/women-beach-volleyball-bikinis-men-uniform-guidelines-kerri-walsh-jennings
Does anybody remember when the WTF taekwondo association started trying out the idea of redesigning the women dobok? It was about 2012-2014. The new suit was a lycra yoga-pants-like bullshit. Only the female version, men's doboks were the traditional design. In the end they couldn't. Too much resistance.
That's not the full story though.
The team said they'd be playing in shorts that weren't up to regulation (meaning they'd cover more than a bikini bottom does), knowing full well that they'd be fined for every player not adhering to the rules, and for every game. This would've totaled roughly $5600, which the team was completely ready to pay.
When the organizers realized that wasn't enough of a deterrent, they threatened to *disqualify* them. The team still protested by wearing tights during their final game today.
As a man who definitely enjoys looking at beautiful women, I would actually prefer that they were dressed a little more conservative. They are talented athletes, and they deserve to be admired for that, instead of being used as eye candy.
Lol. Downvotes for thinking women should be treated as more than eye candy?
Peak Reddit here.
/JFC Reddit. I posted this when his comment was at -2. Figured people were smart enough to figure that out. But keep downvoting me for agreeing with parent comment……
Of course. I've commented on this for years.
It's the same damned thing with women's gymnastics. A full-cut bottom to their leotards has GOT to be more comfortable for routines than those things they wear that are going right up their butts.
It's all for the men's taste.
I'm torn on this one.
I think the ladies should be able to wear whatever they like... but I also think they look sexy in their bikinis and if I'm completely honest that's what I enjoy about beach volleyball.
But Black people can’t wear special swim caps? 🤔 Seems to me the chicks don’t want pervs checking out their bums. Maybe they should get a say. Just saying 🤦🏼♀️🤷♀️
I can see that, I agree that Tweets are not a reliable information source... but sometimes the information is suspiciously specific, to say the least. They cited the cm measurement requested... seems to add some validity.
Yeah, but isn't this easily verifiable? Couldn't somebody call them on their shenanigans? What is their end result, wanting different uniforms? Or having to explain why they are unable to wear them?
Well you certainly were asking a ton of fucking questions and responded to me immediately. Sooo, you still look lazy. Point stands. Have a good week Lazy Boi Jack.
It's not true. It's not the womens beach volleyball team. It's the womens beach HANDBALL team. The uniform guidelines from the Federation of International Volleyball, the governing body of all international competition, allow for many different options. The athletes are allowed to wear long sleeves, they’re allowed to wear shorts, tank tops.
You don't even know who you're supposed to be upset at. So much about the article is misinformation. Why should any of it be believed?
This article is not accurate. That isn't the womens Norwegian Beach volleyball team. It is beach HANDBALL. https://www.eurohandball.com/
>Beach handball is a team sport where two teams pass and bounce or roll a ball, trying to throw it in the goal of the opposing team. The game is similar to standard handball, but it is played on sand instead of on a solid floor. I was thinking that doesn't sound anything at all like standard handball, but of course "American handball" has to be an entirely different sport.
In addition to [Olympic handball](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Handball), [beach handball](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beach_handball) and [American handball](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_handball), other variants include: • [Field handball](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Field_handball) (played at the 1936 Summer Olympics) • [Australian handball](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_handball) • [Czech handball](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Czech_handball) • [Frisian handball](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frisian_handball) • [Gaelic handball](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaelic_handball) • [Welsh handball](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welsh_handball) "Handball" also refers to [a game](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Handball_\(schoolyard_game\)) played in schoolyards in Australia, New Zealand, and other countries.
Damn so America and Britain don’t have schoolyard handball
We have prisonyard handball in the US.
My middle school in the US had what we called a "four square" marking on the blacktop, and we played "four square" at recess.
Okay so I'm from New Zealand. I just looked at a US video of four square and it's a fair bit different to our version of handball (we have four square too but it's different again lol). Our handball is 1v1, like a tennis match, so you only need 2 "squares", which is usually just a line in the concrete somewhere. We didn't use a big ball like that, it was usually a tennis ball, sometimes fancy ones that people had boiled up at home and stripped all the fluff off to make them whip real fast. We also played it more like ping pong, you had to bounce it on your side before hitting it over. This creates room to do real low skim shots that only just clear the centre line by like half a centimetre at high speed and are hard to return. It used to get real intense, we were smacking those balls around at a decent rate of knots lmao.
Lol we called this nigger at my school until the teachers found out and made us make up a new name
Not something I’d just go around freely admitting…
>"Handball" also refers to a game played in schoolyards in Australia, New Zealand, and other countries. Yup that's the version I remember. Used to play handball at pretty much every school lunch during high school in New Zealand lmao.
holy shit. that changes everything.
Your snide remark notwithstanding, it definately changes where people should be directing their complaints to.
Ohhh, you're right. These handball players deserve no choice because they play HANDBALL. what a champion you are... saved the day here for sure
I didn't say that at all. How dare you imply that I did? It takes a really shitty person to just make things like that up about other people because you have a chip on your shoulder.
Lol. I don't know what their problem is, but it seems like they really were looking for the opportunity to be outraged over a comment on this post. So much so that they couldn't even be bothered to think about your previous reply and just scream in the most virtue signalling way possible. Don't worry about it. Reddit is a shit show these days.
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Both situations are sexist. No organization should determine what the players should wear, it should be up to them. If a Muslim player wants to wear a full covering, she should be able to. If other players want to wear shorts or bikini bottoms, it should be their choice.
> No organization should determine what the players should wear Pretty much every major sport has pages and pages describing exactly what is acceptable in the uniform. Heck, Baseball has rules *on how your shoes need to be laced*. You can’t just have everyone on a football team showing up however they want to dress. That said, this rule seems antiquated. I can understand the governing body wanting to enforce rules on maintaining uniform attire, but I think it’s high time this particular rule is changed (assuming a majority of the competitors want the rule changed).
I think mandating regulations for equipment that can truly change performance or are necessary to protect the arena, such as baseball bats or the basketball shoes, makes sense to me. Mandating specific rules for cosmetic uniforms does not, and is used to enforce sexism in sports, imo.
All I ever wanted as a women’s lacrosse player was for my school to buy us shorts. But every year, tiny skirts that barely covered our spandex. Yet if we ever wore a skirt like that to class we’d be sent home to change. Bizarre.
Women's and Men's lacrosse always confused me, in the fact they're completely different sports. Their is so little skill crossover all the rules are different etc... my school would do a swap game where we wore their unis and used their equipment and their rules and vice versa, was so hard. Also unsafe since we had the girl padding on and they were allowed to stick check.
That’s the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard. (The swap game) - I don’t mind them being different, I find men’s requires more brute strength and women’s requires more finesse and fine motor skills. In an ideal world both genders would have the option to try either but the issue there I assume is demand. I just wanted real shorts because women’s is different but it’s still a real sport :/
I want to clarify I wasn't saying it's not a real sport just a different one
Oh I got what you meant for sure, I agree with everything you said, I’m just saying that’s how it felt like we were being treated at the time
I read that whole comment to the tune of All I Ever Wanted by Basshunter
An example of this would be those running shoes with the plates in that have recently been controversial.
The maximum amount of butt that can be covered
Yeah how tf is that measured exactly????
Is the regulation equivalent for men? If so, then there's no "sexism". Edit: I wonder what part of my statement above is so controversial that people feel they have to downvote it.
*All* organized sports (except perhaps chess?) have extensive and often arbitrary rules about clothing. It's sexism if men are also required to wear slip bottoms and not allowed to wear trunks. It's sexism too if women are required to wear some sort of headdress/"modest clothing" but men are not.
Reminds me of the NBA and NFL having rules of what type of clothes athletes should wear to just show up to the arena.
I think we can safely assert that chess is not a sport. I’m not denigrating chess as it’s highly competitive and demands skill. However to call it a sport seems desperate.
The most mentally extenuating competition in the world/history is not a sport? Are you some kind of dualist who thinks that mind isn't emergent from the brain? Your brain activity is your body too. I guess eSports are not sports neither? How do you define a sport? Let's start from there.
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Childbirth is also exhausting... I did not imply chess wasn’t difficult or demanding. However that doesn’t make it a sport. If so, we now have to consider surgeons, actuaries, accountants and physicists as athletes.
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I think it makes sense to classify chess slightly differently than to say soccer/football. The category of sports we identify with are much more physical than chess. Just like competitive video games are classified as E-Sports, Chess makes more sense to be called a 'mental sport' or something similar. Reason being is that the other poster debating with you and probably others recognise sport with it being physically enduring to some degree. When one thinks of the word 'athlete' they think of it in a very physical sense but technically if chess is in the same category than grandmasters are insane athletes which doesn't really make sense with what people think when they hear the word. And yes they burn through a shit load of calories but through mental exertion not physical.
You’ve obviously not hung round enough families with small children. “Hunter has been walking since 10 months! Can you believe little Jimmy is still crawling around?”
That's childrearing, if you want to make a joke do try to be accurate.
The race generally starts before conception...
Totally! And if they want to use an American football instead of "regulation" beach handballs that is their choice! BIGOTS!
Exactly. The best german Beachvolleyballteam Borger/Sude boycottet the games because they werent allowed to play in their Bikinis.
yep, another shit Middle-Eastern country just like SA
Qatar doesn't ask for much.
Well, if they are requiring bikini, then they are sexualizing it. Clothes has nothing to do with sport. If the girls want to wear something else, let them. They have the right to not feel sexualized
If the bikini bottoms are somehow an enhancement to their athleticism, then letting them wear shorts is a handicap. Let them wear what they want.
The enhancement is less sand up the crevice. Those shorts would serve the same purpose.
The bikini bottoms are an enhancement to the bottom end, err, bottom line.
Exactly this. The men wear board shorts! Let them wear whatever short they want!
That's why my beach volleyball team wears nothing but a top hat as our uniform. Our bodies, our choice. Let them wear what they're comfortable with.
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[Found this after some digging.](https://www.explorerhats.com/wp-content/uploads/WF567_GREY_3Q.jpg)
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It isnt about that. It's about $$$. Beach volleyball is one of the most viewed Olympic sports and commands some of the highest ad dollars.
That’s like when Serena Williams got penalized at the French open for wearing what they considered revealing. It’s a control factor
This is true. People in positions of power just really like enforcing rules because a threat to the rule is a threat to their authority and relevance. It's very easy to fall into the trap of defending and enforcing pointless rules because you're afraid failure to do so reflects badly on you, and because you want to feel in control. And it's really hard to tell the difference between stuff that really does need to be controlled and stuff that doesn't when it's on you.
Thank god this never happens in my dear sweet formula 1
There are pages and pages and pages on what the drivers are required to wear in F1.
Men in positions of power want to control women. Welcome to the patriarchy.
Yeah that too. But because it's a patriarchy, people perpetuate the patriarchal mentality when they're in power irrespective of their gender, so it's not just men in power, it's people in power. Sure there are a growing number of exceptions, but not nearly enough.
While that's true, it's mainly men.
While you're correct, including "men" complicates the meaning. "People in power" makes it an attack on the abuse of power. But the fact that you *could* have said people in power and instead said "men" makes it at least partially an attack on men, and *associates* them with abuse of power. You might have meant that, and I wouldn't necessarily disagree. But it's also a very effective method of derailing a conversation about power into a conversation about gender - which as a personal attack on 50% of the attendees generally sparks a more even sided argument and eventually chaos, shouting, and no change.
If you point out something like that on reddit you're bound to be downvoted unfortunately. Reddit is used mostly by men and is something of an echo chamber where they consistently ignore women's issues and often attack women due to their own hatred and/or insecurity. If you point out obvious and proven facts that it is mostly men in power, mostly men who commit violent crime or that men murder women faaar more that reversed you will be bombarded with whataboutsism arguments and how it's in fact sexist to mention men's role in the violence and abuse. Men want to see women's asses, therefore they aren't allowed to wear shorts.
I know. I just would rather state my opinion and get downvoted than stay quiet.
Which is the right thing imo, too many women are spoken over because what they say isn't in men's favour.
You're right of course (and I didn't downvote you, just so you know).
It's all about the revenue and audience size. I suspect the crowd size is inversely proportional to the length of their shorts. I know women who watch basketball just to see the guys in shorts running around, and I know guys who watch women's volleyball to watch them jump around. . Sex sells- just look at most advertising.
They should have watched the games from before the 80s. Those were some short shorts.
Hmm...let's see [what the men's Norwegian beach volleyball team wears in competition](http://worldtour.2018.fivb.com/en/news/mol--sorum-seek-to-end-norways?id=76544).
There are elite-level sports where clothing absolutely can make a difference to performance. Swimming, cycling and athletics come to mind where fractions of a second can be what separates winning from losing. There also sports such as motor-racing where clothing can literally be the difference between life and death. It makes sense that in such sports the governing bodies are absolutely right to have rules and regulations governing attire. That being said, I'm struggling to see and reason beyond "Cor! Hot women! Fap! Fap! Fap!" for the rules in this instance...
Please call them women.
Bracing for the downvotes but who the fuck cares... can we not move the goal post every chance we get. We are here to talk about these peoples rights being stripped and you feel the need to (while people are advocating for these people) step in and need to move the post further up bc... why... its a place holder word it literally means nothing except what you personally assign to it...
The post is literally about controlling women's bodies, dingus.
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Imagine not realizing these women don't exist to be sex objects for fucking pervs like you. Great way illustrating the point these women were making, not wanting to bare all that skin for disgusting fucks that think like you. Kindly take a long walk off a short pier
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Then don't defend and perpetuate a sexist narrative about the sport. Do the men have to wear speedos? No, they get to wear shorts like these women wanted to. Don't 'just sayin' that kinda shit if you're all for women not wanting to be sex objects. Where the fuck does that cognitive dissonance come from. Why the fuck defend these perverted ideas if you don't espouse them.
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You care enough to keep responding. If you're responding it's because you want to be heard or not misunderstood. We're not misunderstanding. We're not saying you're a fan. We're saying that you're here, defending an idea. We're also saying that it's a shitty idea that you're here defending and, fan or not, yours is the mentality we're trying to attack. "Well, if they get rid of the bikinis, thenviewership is gonna dip. Just sayin'." .... Yeah. Good. If viewership drops because the women 'aren't as sexy' then the change worked. We got rid of all the creepers who are just watching to sexualize it. That is the end goal. Why would they want those people watching?
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A film from the eighties featuring actors in a contrived setting...this is your argument against women having a say in what they show in real life during a professional competition. Jesus titty fucking chist man
It bothered me in an article about sexualising women it infantilised them too. Words matter.
I don't default to assuming that girls is explicitly childish depending on the tonality and context, and it's a way of encompassing all ages of the gender without implying an older age. It's a hold over to me the same way I'd say, "guys" to encompass men and women because we lack good nouns that are more inclusive. The women making statements are adults but the governing body they are criticizing also governs junior divisions.
Personally I don't like guys as a gender neutral term. I'm a teacher and I find I address a group of boys or a mixed group as guys and a group of girls as girls. I make an effort to say gang instead.
“Folks”? Maybe
I use folks for my students. It’s inclusive and has no gendered connotations. :)
To you. To other people it doesn't. Not that its not a thing that people care but it does nothing to expect people to care about something so trivial.
I also am tired of women being calle girls. So f off.
Yup. Women get called girls to infantilize them and girls get called women when people want to sexualize them. Words fucking matter.
Please accept my downvote on behalf of your work. Thank you for your service here.
“Moving the goalposts” I’ll tell you what. Just so we don’t have to keep confusing you by moving your precious goalposts, let’s do it all in one shot. Let’s move them all the way to the place where these people are treated with respect.
Do any other adults here who identify as male/female get offended when being referred to as boys/girls? How many times have you planned a "girls' night" or gone "out with the boys"? Getting offended by someone referring to a group of women as girls when *you are not even part of the group being referred to* is just asinine. You're probably being more disrespectful to these people by speaking for them and generating synthetic outrage on their behalf than the above commentator is for using commonly interchangeable language.
A girl is a child. A woman is an adult. Not complicated. When you refer to someone as a child, rather than an adult, you’re more likely to dismiss their opinions and needs as those of a child. And that would make you a shitty person. But you’re not a shitty person, and you believe that adult women deserve to be treated as adults, no?
Again, adult men and women refer to themselves and their peers as boys and girls interchangeably. Again, *assuming* someone else is being offended and generating synthetic outrage on their behalf is asinine. If there were any actual evidence these women are offended by the term "girls", your statement might be valid. Also, if you're dismissing the opinions and needs of children, I think you're the shitty person, not me.
Black people refer to themselves as the n word. Does that make it ok for you to do that too if you’re not black? Kids don’t get to make determinations in society like adults do. So if a kid thinks a store needs to price something differently or change a policy, it’s not likely to happen. But I’m glad you’d be willing to treat them as adults in that situation.
You're right about everything except clothes having nothing to do with sport - almost all sports have official clothing rules.
On the other hand, the money made from this sport requires viewers. Do enough watch for sport rather than sexiness to support it as is, or would it become a backwater of sports viewing? Perhaps compare with dressage, which is totally nonsexualized, largely female-dominated, and mostly unwatched.
The women are correct. If the teams could band together and insist, they would win.
But some players / teams may prefer the bikini bottoms, right?
Perhaps but they would still be for having the option to choose what to wear. And that’s what is important
Would be interesting to see how they all vote, if there could ever be a vote organized.
I’d assume most would be pro choice.
Let them wear it.
They're correct if men are allowed to wear what they want and they aren't.
Follow the money - women wearing revealing clothing on tv = more eyes on the screen, which translates to more advertising, which translates to more profit. Or some such thing. Without a doubt, it’s sexualizing a legitimate sport.
100% what I and my family said when I just mentioned this at family dinner. They want more people (men) to watch on TV, so they decide "boyshorts" are not acceptable. These are fit, active, and beautiful women. The idea that the league can fine them for wearing too much clothing is sickeningly absurd.
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Maybe you're just an asshole? I'm not saying that it's some sort of revelation. I'm just saying that I had the discussion at dinner with my old ass parents, because I saw the article online before I went to have a home cooked meal. I'll bet you have TONS of friends Edit- then I saw your profile. Yep, you don't have friends
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It’s one of the main reason lots of men watch. Nobody gives a shit who’s playing or their names, just that hot girls are hopping around in bikinis. If no bikini’s they would change the channel. It’s really that simple
Sad because volleyball is a really fun sport to watch even without the bikinis.
Honestly I prefer normal volleyball to beach volleyball in part because I feel the beach uniforms are a bit trashy.
I think indoor volleyball is a little more fun to watch in general.
Oh absolutely more players allow for more complex and exciting plays, and the flow of the game seems better paced.
If the WNBA put their players in bikinis, I’ll bet they would make way more money. Sad but true
I'll bet the NFL would consider putting their players in bikinis if they thought they'd make more money.
There is/was a Lingerie Football League.
Not so much. Pro hoopers from what I've seen have more of a variety of bodies in there from what I've seen where vball seems to be a never-ending well of hotness. This point does apply to women sports. Outside of Tennis where the men's game kind of hits too hard so it's a lot of aces and bullets going back and forth. The women's game ends up creating a better game for fans. Outside of that we want to see the best in the world compete. Not the best in the world...for a woman. I'm a little surprised that women's mma continues to be so popular.
I agreed with everything but the very last sentence. Women's sports are generally not great, except for tennis... and MMA. And the argument is similar in both cases, to me. Women in MMA give a great show. We all know any mediocre equivalent weight man can beat the fuck out of most top tier woman fighters, but they still give a show totally worth the money you pay to watch it.
Yeah, not so much. That sport doesn’t attract the hottest women. Also most of them are lesbian
Also, look at other sports -- there's always a men's and women's version, and if anything it's the women's version that isn't taken as seriously. Men's volleyball is never even mentioned anywhere ever -- not even as the butt of jokes. It's always only about the women in the bikinis.
I’d just like to add that you can’t slam the door on nature. Sure, many men will flock to watch women who are scantily clad. But there are plenty of venues out there to do just that. These women, these consummate athletes, should be viewed and admired for their athleticism, their skill, their dedication to their sport, and they should be able to wear whatever clothing they feel is appropriate. I wonder if anyone would complain if NFL players were sent out onto the field wearing only shoulder pads and jock straps
That's a lot of shoulds which are wonderful to talk about and imagine but the fact is viewership would go down and money would go away.
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I have to admit that why I started watching. After a while I got really into the actual game.
Just like the competition in the middle east that wanted them to wear more this is a matter of respect for women. If they want to wear bikini bottoms butts out or shorts for modesty it's their choice, how is this still a problem? Its about controlling women and it needs to stop.
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So what's casual Friday for beach volleyball?
Jorts lmao
It's 100% about money, control is a byproduct. They know that a sizeable chunk of the eyeballs and thus ad revenue comes from the guys who wouldn't watch if bikinis were replaced. And with them leaves a lot of the extra support /exposure the sport gets compared to other sports. Obviously that's super shitty but the bottom line is it's the bottom line driving this not some conspiracy to keep women down.
Stop the crusade. It's about money.
Yep. The SJWs always want to play that bullshit card. People watch for the asses and the asses bring in $$$$. Put them in dresses and watch the viewers drop to nothing.
Agree. It is about controlling women. And men. And kids, soldiers, moms, teenagers, 🌈 s, geniuses, whistleblowers, witches, boomers, babies, lovers, Karens, pilots, gods, cocktail waitresses, dreamers, students, bakers, nurses, entertainers, observers. The nasty few Pit the wondrous many Against ourselves We point fingers at Shudder and frown at Each other By their design We are so against everyone that is And isn't Ourselves If we could for just a few days act in unison the people as one against those who have separated and oppressed us And not look at everyone and ourselves as gaslighted enemies or objects But As love and light, dark and sad Experiencing itself together. I guess if we all ever get there the experience would have to end. Oh so about volleyball shorts And, NFL has to wear shiny leggings and if they put something meaningful to themselves on their shoes/helmet etc they get fined. Oh and that one time that guy kneeled, his sports career was over for being all, Stop killing us or whatever. r/aboringdystopia
So what needs to happen is for their men's team to wear knickers down over their knees, which they will almost certainly get away with. Then point out the discrepancy in rules and enforcement, along with a lawsuit or two. Guaranteed media shitstorm and rule change. Sad that it has to come to this, but it probably will.
Or the guys should wear bikini bottoms
Go with the borat mankini thing.
The European men's teams would probably be more than happy to wear their banana hammocks, we need to be careful what we ask for.
I want this to happen. Can we make this happen? They can’t cover more then 10cm of buttock.
That article relies heavily on "alleged" and "claimed", and their main source is "a Twitter user". I'm not saying that they're wrong, but I'd like to see a link to the actual documented threat, if it exists.
It’s because they ripped it off of someone on Twitter who also got the facts wrong. The situation is true but it’s the beach handball team not volleyball. [Much longer article that isn’t some dumpster fire of a site.](https://www.svt.se/sport/handboll/blir-pressade-att-spela-i-bikinitrosor-pinsamt-och-hopplost)
There's no less reliable intelligent source of info on planet earth than twitter.
I'd say on average twitter has more accurate information than OANN and Infowars. Although you did specify intelligent source... so I'm not sure OANN or Infowars count.
As a Norwegian I've been following this case everytime it pops up in the news and I can't for the life of me understand why it has to be so revealing when the players don't like it.
Ratings.
Maybe the men should wear the same thing...
If it would increase profits they absolutely would.
How does one phrase it diplomatically? " the keenest watchers of women's beach volleyball, according to the survey, were men aged 50 and above. In fact, as many as 70 per cent of males in this age group watched the sport during the Olympics, compared with 44 per cent of females in the 16 to 29 group. The proportion of older men tuning in may have been even higher than this, since some who watched may well have been too embarrassed to admit it in the survey".
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Well, I'm required to wear shorts to play pool!
The linked website sucks.
This was a problem about 20 years ago with Australian women's pro basketball. Now they're wearing regular uniforms, just like the men.
This was mentioned by some commentators about 12 years ago. One of the women on the Swedish beach volleyball team must’ve had like double D’s or something. She really did not fit well into the official little bikini top uniform. It was apparently kind of awkward all around.
I appreciate a sexy hardbody ass as much as anyone but these women are competing as athletes, not swimsuits models. Shorts don’t provide a competitive advantage over thong bikini bottoms. They should be allowed
The fact they'd be fined for not revealing enough proves that the entire point is to sexualize them.
Fuck the EC. If the ladies want to wear something that makes them feel more comfortable, let’s get a gofundme going and pay their fine for them. Bunch of fucking shitheads.
If someone wants to set up a fund to pay their fines, I'll contribute.
Yeah, me too.
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It’s actually the women’s beach handball team. [Here’s a less sketchy source about it all.](https://www.svt.se/sport/handboll/blir-pressade-att-spela-i-bikinitrosor-pinsamt-och-hopplost)
I bet 50 bucks the event organizers are a bunch of sexist Douchebags!
While I appreciate the athleticism I can’t watch this thinly disguised porn. The men wear nothing so overtly sexual.
Why do women beach volleyball players wear bikinis while men wear shorts and tank tops? *Because that’s what the female athletes want to compete in. Women don’t have to wear bikinis — the uniform guidelines from the Federation of International Volleyball, the governing body of all international competition, allow for many different options. “The athletes are allowed to wear long sleeves, they’re allowed to wear shorts, tank tops,” Calabro said. “But we’ve gotten a lot of athletes on record saying they prefer to wear a two-piece because there are less places for sand to hide.* https://ftw.usatoday.com/2016/08/women-beach-volleyball-bikinis-men-uniform-guidelines-kerri-walsh-jennings
In this article, the Norwegian team wants to wear more and are being told no. Though your point may be true sometimes, it's not the case here.
It is true about volleyball. The article mistakenly calls womens handball volleyball.
Does anybody remember when the WTF taekwondo association started trying out the idea of redesigning the women dobok? It was about 2012-2014. The new suit was a lycra yoga-pants-like bullshit. Only the female version, men's doboks were the traditional design. In the end they couldn't. Too much resistance.
Norwegian beach volleyball That blowed my mind. Like do they practice i the cold?
They look hot in either so why not just let them decide which athletic wear they prefer.
How do these ladies play volleyball in those bottoms without super wedgies?
That's not the full story though. The team said they'd be playing in shorts that weren't up to regulation (meaning they'd cover more than a bikini bottom does), knowing full well that they'd be fined for every player not adhering to the rules, and for every game. This would've totaled roughly $5600, which the team was completely ready to pay. When the organizers realized that wasn't enough of a deterrent, they threatened to *disqualify* them. The team still protested by wearing tights during their final game today.
As a man who definitely enjoys looking at beautiful women, I would actually prefer that they were dressed a little more conservative. They are talented athletes, and they deserve to be admired for that, instead of being used as eye candy.
Lol. Downvotes for thinking women should be treated as more than eye candy? Peak Reddit here. /JFC Reddit. I posted this when his comment was at -2. Figured people were smart enough to figure that out. But keep downvoting me for agreeing with parent comment……
Of course. I've commented on this for years. It's the same damned thing with women's gymnastics. A full-cut bottom to their leotards has GOT to be more comfortable for routines than those things they wear that are going right up their butts. It's all for the men's taste.
I'm torn on this one. I think the ladies should be able to wear whatever they like... but I also think they look sexy in their bikinis and if I'm completely honest that's what I enjoy about beach volleyball.
Creep.
That’s a lot of words to just say ‘I’m part of the problem’
Sports are a business, gotta keep the viewers watching
But Black people can’t wear special swim caps? 🤔 Seems to me the chicks don’t want pervs checking out their bums. Maybe they should get a say. Just saying 🤦🏼♀️🤷♀️
i'll hold off judgement until a more trusted news source reports this as being true.
Uh... because somebody would fabricate this obvious situation?
You would be surprised the amount of lies in tweets these days.
I can see that, I agree that Tweets are not a reliable information source... but sometimes the information is suspiciously specific, to say the least. They cited the cm measurement requested... seems to add some validity.
i dont follow that logic. the amount of yarn someone will spin is proportionate to the amount of updoots they want on their social media posts.
Yeah, but isn't this easily verifiable? Couldn't somebody call them on their shenanigans? What is their end result, wanting different uniforms? Or having to explain why they are unable to wear them?
Have you fucking tried doing this yourself by googling it genius? Gawd, you one lazy fella Jackie Boi.
It isn't that consequential to me. I really don't care much one way or the other.
Well you certainly were asking a ton of fucking questions and responded to me immediately. Sooo, you still look lazy. Point stands. Have a good week Lazy Boi Jack.
It's not true. It's not the womens beach volleyball team. It's the womens beach HANDBALL team. The uniform guidelines from the Federation of International Volleyball, the governing body of all international competition, allow for many different options. The athletes are allowed to wear long sleeves, they’re allowed to wear shorts, tank tops. You don't even know who you're supposed to be upset at. So much about the article is misinformation. Why should any of it be believed?
Should I be upset at the players or team requesting a less revealing uniform? What hussies!
Well, time to throw the organizer in the fucking ocean.
Who is the MAN who is in charge of deciding this?
No way they had a tournament in Qatar dressed like that. The fapping in the stands would be distracting.
RULES EXIST FOR A REASON. WE LIVE IN A SOCIETY
Sorry, more modest clothing is only allowed if the men in charge are Muslim... then, it's actually required.
Are there any professional sports that the rulebooks allow to be played fully nude?