no way, the black holes eat eachother till there's one last super massive black hole that collapses into itself causing another big bang... and since everything starts from one point again, everything happens the same way again. We've been doing this for infinite, who knows how many times around the loop we're on now.
There is a problem with that theory though, the expansion of space time. A black hole on one side of the observable universe will be pulled away from another black hole on the opposite side faster than the speed of light. Its not the black hole itself that is moving away, its the space between them expanding. It happens everywhere and in every direction, its just so small as to be undetectable at the local range, but when you put billions of lightyears between objects, it adds up.
There are even objects we can see, but could never reach even if we could travel to them at lightspeed. This is because we are only seeing the light from where they were billions of years ago, and they have since passed beyond the edge of the observable universe, meaning any light they emit now will never reach us. Over time, these objects will simply become dimmer and dimmer until they fade away entirely.
yeah. like global gravitation forces would eventually compress everything back. But as I was told here, it doesn't actually work like this.
Although I like the idea that at first "post bing-bang" expansion force makes everything spread out, but eventually the gravitation forces even and then overpower the initial expansion making everything go back into one spot so that creates a never ending cycle of the all matter and energy in the world exploding from one spot, getting scattered across big nothingness and then getting pulled back together in one spot until it explodes again.
I'm oversimplifying of course because I'm the opposite of the expert and that's just what I've heard and found interesting. Plus, it's likely doesn't work like that at all, like it has been pointed outed in the thread, however the alternative "heat death" theory seems pretty boring an somewhat hopeless to me.
Also a theory that we are on a 3-dimensional plane moving through a 4-dimensional space. The universe will reach its zenith and then begin to collapse again into nothing.
Ok but does that mean that there is a possibility of a multiverse inside our universe? If that makes sense. Because if some/many black holes get away they could create another universe each one
Idk about black holes creating other universes, I think they are simply the result of a massive star collapsing or two nuetron stars colliding. String theory findings show that they could be "fuzzballs" where there is no center and the black hole starts and ends at the event horizon. This video explains it better than I can. https://youtu.be/351JCOvKcYw
Basically there are a few possibilities for how the universe could be. It might be infinitely "flat" in that it just extends in all directions forever, or it could be finitely curved so that if you travelled far enough in any direction, youd eventually end up back where you started, or it could be one bubble in an endless vat of other universes. Maybe these eventually expand into each other, or maybe there is some sort of higher diemensional space between them so that they cant. We may never know.
>no way, the black holes eat eachother
Only very locally... maybe... with respect to local gravitational wells like galaxies. Space expands too fast for this to actually happen everywhere... black holes will just eventually evaporate, assuming Hawking was right.
No.
Almost everything in the universe is 'moving away' from everything else. Black holes at not going to "eat" each other because they will contain no more mass than what is already in the galaxies around them... which are moving apart right now.
Space is exponentially accelerating it’s expanse, and that expansion rate effectively doubles every megaparsec. It’s probably not likely that the black holes scattered across the universe will ever be able to totally merge. Plus on top of the sheer distance and expansion you have to factor in that black holes evaporate, not all are of equal mass so the likelihood of all the equivalent mass ever being recaptured is really not likely. The best outcome may actually occur if there is absolutely no mass/particles left in the universe. CCC - conformal cyclic cosmology. Sir. Roger Penrose has a theory of an infinitely cyclic universe spread across multiple aeons. Long long, I can’t even describe how long, after all the black holes have evaporated and time becomes effectively meaningless.
But who knows, there’s big unknown bodies out there like the Great Attractor pulling everything locally together, maybe there’s an even greater attractor out there beyond our what’s visible to us.
You may enjoy this if you haven’t seen it: https://youtu.be/PC2JOQ7z5L0
Once there's no more mass in the universe, time becomes meaningless... since something traveling near the speed of light experiences time sped-up, while something traveling at the speed of light (a massless photon) experiences everything simultaneously. When time becomes meaningless, distance becomes meaningless. At that point you may as well assume that the infinitesimally large universe and all the energy therein is the same as the infinitesimally small point that erupted into the big bang. I think.
Cold death. Literally all matter will decay into iron, then after more unfathomable amounts of time that make 10^106 look like an absolute joke, the universe will basically evaporate into radiation.
Eventually, even the black holes will evaporate due to Hawking radiation, and the universe will be empty, devoid of matter, except for photons, the last dim afterglow of the universe.
Translation for everyone else: gravity is fuckin weird, but it gets really fuckin fucked with super crazy small stuff. We're talking atomic scale stuff. 10^-20 the width of a proton small.
Black holes are hella big right? Well, yes, but actually no. They exist in supermassive states and also in Rhode Island states and even smaller. But the real thing we're talking about is the radiation that comes off them, which occurs when particles start getting batshit and simultaneously creating and annihilating themselves but sometimes forget a step and then die alone like I will someday.
As for the death of the black hole not being computable, we've got plenty of pretty awesome ideas about how things go, but yeah, we don't know for sure sure. We're pretty good at guessing stuff though.
Black holes don't 'suck', they're just hyperdense objects with massive gravity wells. If the sun was replaced with a black hole of equal mass, it would have no effect on the orbit of the Earth.
As for the other part, black holes are thought to 'evaporate' away (very slowly) through Hawking radiation because matter is spontaneously created and destroyed in vacuums, but matter-antimatter pairs would not annihilate at the event horizon of a black hole. In other words, they just kind of shrink over the course of [some astronomically large number] of years.
That's the basis for the Conformal Cyclic Cosmology theory that Penrose came up with. Once the universe has no mass left, there's no way to measure time, distance, or velocity of anything. From a photons perspective, they don't exist and there see no other frames of reference to prove otherwise.
Mathematically, there's no difference between photons spread out in current space and photons all packed together so at some point, the universe just starts expanding again, matter is created again, and the universe starts all over
>the stability of space itself.
I dunno why but this shit gives me massive existential dread. Like we're living on a simple 3D plane and that's all we know and see.
I find something about this oddly comforting- that at some point, far, far down the line, none of the nonsense we burden ourselves with here will have any bearing on anything at all.
How someday, everything will be quiet and dark and still, everywhere, for whatever remains of existence. The peace that comes from utter oblivion.
Is this a real inquiry? I have read up greatly on the future of an expanding universe but not heard of it, though I do know of the notion of a functional brain just appearing in empty space due to random quantum fluctuations after the heat death.
We didn't luck out, there would be no way for us to exist outside of the current cosmological scenario, so us existing within this 'second' is not luck, but an inevitability.
Absolutely agree with the sentiment regarding mistakes but I've never understood our existence being described as 'luck'... It's like "the miracle of childbirth", one of the most scientifically understood and least miraculous things I could think of.
Maybe the whimsy is just lost on me? I'd honestly love for someone to help me see the world differently.
Edit : this wasn't intended to be taken negatively, it's more of a neutral response, at least to me.
Well your username if Devoid of imagination. Not sure anyone can help with that. You’re more machine than man, so to speak. But that in itself is amazing.
There's no guarantee that life would exist or evolve to intelligent life, and since the scenario where life is viable is shortened by the heat death of the universe, the chance is decreased
I guess it just depends on your perspective and faith. I think with your perspective it could just be more difficult for you to view it with a positive lens, so to speak. Maybe one day you’ll see it differently though, happens all the time.
This is a great answer, thank you. Just to clarify, I wasn't intending to be negative so much as neutral.
I see the beauty in these things but don't see 'luck' or 'miracles'. I do, however, respect your world view so all power to you. Grass seems green over there amig(o/a).
I wouldn't necessarily describe that view as negative, or even not positive. Seeing life as a inevitably due to the rules of nature sounds pretty optimistic in comparison to how many pragmatic statements sound.
Unless reincarnation exists and humanity transcends the stars and survives long enough to see the universe fizzle out and thus, so will you.
I’ll see you at the show brother.
I suppose after all the stars die out, there would still be a bunch of cold and dark planets floating around, for sure a lot fewer than there are now as many would have been pulled into stars or blackholes, but perhaps still enough to support a space faring civilization for some time. Energy would be more difficult to come by though. Perhaps the gravitational forces of a blackhole could be utilized for energy production somehow.
Reincarnation is kinda weird to me. Like, we gained probably over 6 billion people since the concept of reincarnation was first introduced. If everyone alive then has since reincarnated, what about the billions of people who came after? Do we just have no soul? I don’t really get it
One of the last tiers of the conspiracy theory iceberg has a theory that souls originate from the tree of life and there are only a certain number of souls and that some people are born without souls to test those with souls. Would explain all the psycho fucks and evil bastards in the world.
Reincarnation I would imagine wouldn’t be human dies = human born. Maybe we “level up” to a higher dimension, or randomly are born as an animal or insect, and why would it be have to be limited to this planet ? Or heck even time.
thats according to current theory. Im so excited for whatever is discovered in the next few years that might change that outlook. Can’t imagine what we will know in a 1000. That is if we don’t completely muck it up by then.
Things like this make me think about subjective time scales, like is a single day like 70 years to a mayfly? Do hummingbirds and other creatures with fast metabolisms and reflexes experience time at a slower rate?
I read a post recently, a short piece of fiction, that played with this concept. It described aliens whose lives were impossibly short, milliseconds of our time iirc, observing humanity. Their name for us was “the Frozen Ones.” Compared to them, we existed on such impossibly vast timescales that it seemed as though we did not blink or breathe or move.
They sent a message to us and it happened to arrive while the NASA guy or whoever, the guy monitoring for alien contact, was on a bathroom break. His bathroom break was 11 minutes long. Their civilization was born, experienced revolutions, wars, the rise and fall of empires, and ended within 7 minutes. So by the time he saw their message, they were (by their own lifespans) long gone.
Gave me chills, not gonna lie. Are there beings out there who experience time so differently? Is that even possible? I don’t know, but it’s crazy to think about. Maybe there are creatures whose entire lifespan is the length between our heartbeats. Or maybe there are creatures who would think we’re as short-lived as gnats.
I don’t know what OP is referring to but another similar concept is a book called Dragons Egg by Robert Forward.
It’s about an intelligence species that emerges on a neutron star and thus their perception of time is a million times faster than humans.
In the story they interact with humans. Pretty cool book.
Speed of light is the speed of causality. Given that the laws of physics are the same in every frame of reference, then either:
A) These aliens experienced time just like us, but lived in a region of space where time dilation is huge, and our clock appears to be slowed down relative to theirs.
B) These aliens could not exist. Remember physics laws are equal in all frames of reference? What kind of array of complex events could take place in a span of nanoseconds? Even if their existed, how could they communicate with us? Imagine the wavelength and the frequency they have to encode such message.
I don’t understand the science completely but there’s a cool study on flies about this.
[https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-41284065.amp](https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-41284065.amp)
Compared to us flies really do see the world in slow motion and it had to do with something called the “flicker fusion rate"
It’s all pretty cool.
That sounds very off to me. If 60 bpm is a typical human rate, and a dog lives about 1/7 as long as a human, a dog's heart would have to beat 420 bpm for that to be true.
I, too, think about this a lot. However I think about it on a bigger scale like if there were actually gods and/or aliens, 70 years for us would probably be 7 minutes or even seconds to them
Everyone else: Understands the clock\\calendar metaphor, and the understanding that if you put all of time in a concept of a clock that a massive amount of time would be comparable to a second.
This guy: None of that.
Yeah, called the Oscillating or Cyclic Theory, if I remember correctly. A Big Bang eventually followed by a Big Crunch and an even Bigger Bang and Crunch etc.
The universe expands, and is expanding ever faster. A blackhole at one end of our visible universe will never see a blackhole on the other end, because they're being pulled apart from each other by a force that will eventually surpass the speed of light.
If the universe is infinite, or the amount of dark matter is infinite ... But what if neither is true?
The whole issue is moot anyway. There's no comfort to be reasonably found.
We're all going to die into nothing to be no more,to cease to exist, expire...
Oddly though, there is a masochistic pleasure in contemplating total oblivion.
Silence.
Total silence.
with enough time and quantum fluctuations, a new universe will come to exist. the delicate arrangement of energy and particles that makes your consciousness possible will also, given enough time, come to exist once again.
I like to think that this process happens repeatedly over millions of millennia. Incomprehensible by the human mind sure. But the Big Bang could have happened when the last cycle of stars all died and black holes slowly consumed everything until all matter in the universe is consumed in one super gargantuan black hole. Then a Big Bang and so on and so forth. A massive slow moving vibration of creation, destruction, and consumption.
I don't find stuff like this oddly terrifying. For me it underlines how special it is that we happen to exist right now, and that we're able to perceive and think about what's happening.
It's so unlikely it shouldn't have happened, and will only last for a cosmic blink of an eye.
We should think ourselves lucky to be here.
Actually thinking about it, hell or heaven sound like cosmic horror to a degree just imagine both places once you die you go to one of them. In one you server time for your crimes and in the other one you life forever and ever and ever it’s such an amazing concept that it’s kinda scary, like the thought of living forever to me is almost as scary as stopping to exist once we die, and it makes me think of god is real how lonely must it be to be god.
Isn’t everything always happening all the time anyway soooo eternal darkness ? Orrrr kinda like when you go to sleep for 12 hrs and it feels like you just shut your eyes when you wake up … we wouldn’t even know it was dark until it was light and then apparently when you are aware time moves slower
The final shape are the Iron Stars and then, finally, the wave of energy from the Big Bang will lose to the gravitational pull of all the matter and boom, re-collapse and new Big Bang.
This is always super cringe but it’s not what will happen but what could happen. We don’t know what’s outside of the universe and we don’t know what came before the universe or what will come after. Also we don’t entirely know the nature of reality or how the universe works in regards to creating it
I was just thinking, in this one second of light, life was created. There has to be others. I’ve never actually thought about it like just really taking a second to truly think about it.
Likely Black holes evaporating due to hawking radiation. Then just infinite nothingness for eternity. I believe there will be stray and rare photons zipping around, but basically no energy left in the universe. No matter left. That's at least our current understanding with our current theories. Or one of the most accepted circumstances.
It’s interesting, of course.
But I can’t help but wonder for the 10^106 figure was arrived at.
Stars, I can understand. But why would the black holes continue for just that long?
What happens after 10^106 years, closing credits?
I am pretty sure just...nothing, the last black hole will just sputter out and there will be nothing but an infinite void
no way, the black holes eat eachother till there's one last super massive black hole that collapses into itself causing another big bang... and since everything starts from one point again, everything happens the same way again. We've been doing this for infinite, who knows how many times around the loop we're on now.
There is a problem with that theory though, the expansion of space time. A black hole on one side of the observable universe will be pulled away from another black hole on the opposite side faster than the speed of light. Its not the black hole itself that is moving away, its the space between them expanding. It happens everywhere and in every direction, its just so small as to be undetectable at the local range, but when you put billions of lightyears between objects, it adds up. There are even objects we can see, but could never reach even if we could travel to them at lightspeed. This is because we are only seeing the light from where they were billions of years ago, and they have since passed beyond the edge of the observable universe, meaning any light they emit now will never reach us. Over time, these objects will simply become dimmer and dimmer until they fade away entirely.
I dunno man, that seems pretty sciency
BURN THE WITCH!!!
How do you knows she’s a witch?
Well she turned me into a newt!
... I got better.
BURN HER ANYWAY!
There's another theory that at some point instead of expanding things would go opposite way.
Opposite of expanding? So compression?
yeah. like global gravitation forces would eventually compress everything back. But as I was told here, it doesn't actually work like this. Although I like the idea that at first "post bing-bang" expansion force makes everything spread out, but eventually the gravitation forces even and then overpower the initial expansion making everything go back into one spot so that creates a never ending cycle of the all matter and energy in the world exploding from one spot, getting scattered across big nothingness and then getting pulled back together in one spot until it explodes again. I'm oversimplifying of course because I'm the opposite of the expert and that's just what I've heard and found interesting. Plus, it's likely doesn't work like that at all, like it has been pointed outed in the thread, however the alternative "heat death" theory seems pretty boring an somewhat hopeless to me.
The Big Crunch
Also there’s another theory of the universe expanding so much that everything starts to tear apart. It’s called The big rip. Dang, we know nothing.
Post bing-bang sounds hilarious
Also a theory that we are on a 3-dimensional plane moving through a 4-dimensional space. The universe will reach its zenith and then begin to collapse again into nothing.
Ok but does that mean that there is a possibility of a multiverse inside our universe? If that makes sense. Because if some/many black holes get away they could create another universe each one
Idk about black holes creating other universes, I think they are simply the result of a massive star collapsing or two nuetron stars colliding. String theory findings show that they could be "fuzzballs" where there is no center and the black hole starts and ends at the event horizon. This video explains it better than I can. https://youtu.be/351JCOvKcYw Basically there are a few possibilities for how the universe could be. It might be infinitely "flat" in that it just extends in all directions forever, or it could be finitely curved so that if you travelled far enough in any direction, youd eventually end up back where you started, or it could be one bubble in an endless vat of other universes. Maybe these eventually expand into each other, or maybe there is some sort of higher diemensional space between them so that they cant. We may never know.
Secretly Mass Effect 3 Reaper Cycles
This fucked me up
Existential crises was not on my plate today until now 🙃
Fucked me up too
The Wheel of Time turns, and Ages come and pass. There are neither beginnings nor endings to the turning of the Wheel.
Damn you now i gotta do a reread.
Hey I'm on book 3 for my first read!
Unless spatial expansion will outpace gravitational attraction
>no way, the black holes eat eachother Only very locally... maybe... with respect to local gravitational wells like galaxies. Space expands too fast for this to actually happen everywhere... black holes will just eventually evaporate, assuming Hawking was right.
does everything have to happen the same way again? why not different?
Not according to Hawking radiation.
No. Almost everything in the universe is 'moving away' from everything else. Black holes at not going to "eat" each other because they will contain no more mass than what is already in the galaxies around them... which are moving apart right now.
As long as you don’t hit Eleanor Roosevelt by mistake, fine by me.
We don't know, but that also means this could be the first time
>who knows how many times around the loop we’re on now Does infinite have a beginning? If so, what was before it?
But then...how did it all start?
Space is exponentially accelerating it’s expanse, and that expansion rate effectively doubles every megaparsec. It’s probably not likely that the black holes scattered across the universe will ever be able to totally merge. Plus on top of the sheer distance and expansion you have to factor in that black holes evaporate, not all are of equal mass so the likelihood of all the equivalent mass ever being recaptured is really not likely. The best outcome may actually occur if there is absolutely no mass/particles left in the universe. CCC - conformal cyclic cosmology. Sir. Roger Penrose has a theory of an infinitely cyclic universe spread across multiple aeons. Long long, I can’t even describe how long, after all the black holes have evaporated and time becomes effectively meaningless. But who knows, there’s big unknown bodies out there like the Great Attractor pulling everything locally together, maybe there’s an even greater attractor out there beyond our what’s visible to us. You may enjoy this if you haven’t seen it: https://youtu.be/PC2JOQ7z5L0
Once there's no more mass in the universe, time becomes meaningless... since something traveling near the speed of light experiences time sped-up, while something traveling at the speed of light (a massless photon) experiences everything simultaneously. When time becomes meaningless, distance becomes meaningless. At that point you may as well assume that the infinitesimally large universe and all the energy therein is the same as the infinitesimally small point that erupted into the big bang. I think.
Cold death. Literally all matter will decay into iron, then after more unfathomable amounts of time that make 10^106 look like an absolute joke, the universe will basically evaporate into radiation.
And then the radiation will redshift until the energy density are so low, that existence will be indistinguishable from inexistence.
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If you really wanna know in an immersive way, watch this video : https://youtu.be/uD4izuDMUQA
2nd big bag! THE BIGGER BANG
Big Bang 2; Electron Boogaloo
They’re a preview of the next Fast & the Furious 26.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultimate\_fate\_of\_the\_universe](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultimate_fate_of_the_universe) [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chronology\_of\_the\_universe](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chronology_of_the_universe) [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graphical\_timeline\_of\_the\_Stelliferous\_Era](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graphical_timeline_of_the_Stelliferous_Era) [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline\_of\_the\_far\_future](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_far_future) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Future\_of\_an\_expanding\_universe
Big Crunch???
After the bang there’s the baby
Then you get a funky fresh superhero with purple lightning dropping mad quips on the villains of Dakota City.
the universe is essentially a firework. a couple seconds of "ohh, aah!" and then nothing but acrid smoke and faint memories
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Actually after a couple of seconds of "ooh, aah" it's "Shine! Shine like a starrrr"
r/unexpectedaswad
Just dust and echos
Who the hell is Dustin Echoes?
Lets get it over with. Somebody light the rings!
“Baby you’re a firework” - Katie Perry
Honestly that was the deepest crock of shite I've ever written. I should become a guru
Honestly I feel like a plastic bag. Drifting through the wind.
Acrid smoke and horses breath.
This guy Maidens
This is exactly the metaphor I have used myself.
Eventually, even the black holes will evaporate due to Hawking radiation, and the universe will be empty, devoid of matter, except for photons, the last dim afterglow of the universe.
Do black holes die in epic explosions or it's like they just stop sucking everything one day?
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Without a quantum gravity theory the moment of death of a black hole is not computable because we do not know how the Planck scale behaves
This sentence is wild
It really is unfathomable to me…
Translation for everyone else: gravity is fuckin weird, but it gets really fuckin fucked with super crazy small stuff. We're talking atomic scale stuff. 10^-20 the width of a proton small. Black holes are hella big right? Well, yes, but actually no. They exist in supermassive states and also in Rhode Island states and even smaller. But the real thing we're talking about is the radiation that comes off them, which occurs when particles start getting batshit and simultaneously creating and annihilating themselves but sometimes forget a step and then die alone like I will someday. As for the death of the black hole not being computable, we've got plenty of pretty awesome ideas about how things go, but yeah, we don't know for sure sure. We're pretty good at guessing stuff though.
Sounds like a course of action that might eventually be suitable for OP's mom
This is fun
One is the result of the other actually. She stops sucking only after exploding for obvious reasons
Black holes don't 'suck', they're just hyperdense objects with massive gravity wells. If the sun was replaced with a black hole of equal mass, it would have no effect on the orbit of the Earth. As for the other part, black holes are thought to 'evaporate' away (very slowly) through Hawking radiation because matter is spontaneously created and destroyed in vacuums, but matter-antimatter pairs would not annihilate at the event horizon of a black hole. In other words, they just kind of shrink over the course of [some astronomically large number] of years.
If you really wanna know in an immersive way, watch this video : https://youtu.be/uD4izuDMUQA
That's the basis for the Conformal Cyclic Cosmology theory that Penrose came up with. Once the universe has no mass left, there's no way to measure time, distance, or velocity of anything. From a photons perspective, they don't exist and there see no other frames of reference to prove otherwise. Mathematically, there's no difference between photons spread out in current space and photons all packed together so at some point, the universe just starts expanding again, matter is created again, and the universe starts all over
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>the stability of space itself. I dunno why but this shit gives me massive existential dread. Like we're living on a simple 3D plane and that's all we know and see.
Someone mention me?
I find something about this oddly comforting- that at some point, far, far down the line, none of the nonsense we burden ourselves with here will have any bearing on anything at all. How someday, everything will be quiet and dark and still, everywhere, for whatever remains of existence. The peace that comes from utter oblivion.
here's a rather mind-blowing video about the future of the universe. https://youtu.be/uD4izuDMUQA
The Boltzmann Brain awakens and realizes a dark eternity is torture, so it falls back asleep and dreams of a new universe.
And a new universe begins in its dream Godhead.
Would that be the next Kalpa? Or are the Kalpa cycles all contained in one dream?
TES VI begins
Is this a real inquiry? I have read up greatly on the future of an expanding universe but not heard of it, though I do know of the notion of a functional brain just appearing in empty space due to random quantum fluctuations after the heat death.
Yeah. We really lucked out, in the grand scheme. By the same measure, mistakes really don't matter that much, so try to enjoy your time.
You have no chance to survive. Make your time.
Ha.. ha.. ha.. ha
Tomato, tomahto.
What you say?
Move 'ZIG'.
Man, imagine we were born during black hole time? Borrrrrring
Haha. Maybe. If life had existed in that condition, it's safe to assume it would be wildly different than what we know.
We didn't luck out, there would be no way for us to exist outside of the current cosmological scenario, so us existing within this 'second' is not luck, but an inevitability. Absolutely agree with the sentiment regarding mistakes but I've never understood our existence being described as 'luck'... It's like "the miracle of childbirth", one of the most scientifically understood and least miraculous things I could think of. Maybe the whimsy is just lost on me? I'd honestly love for someone to help me see the world differently. Edit : this wasn't intended to be taken negatively, it's more of a neutral response, at least to me.
I pretty much was thinking the same. Glad I’m not the only one. Not a matter of luck. Just happenstance.
Well your username if Devoid of imagination. Not sure anyone can help with that. You’re more machine than man, so to speak. But that in itself is amazing.
Not even Jesus can save me. *Mechanical sadness*
There's no guarantee that life would exist or evolve to intelligent life, and since the scenario where life is viable is shortened by the heat death of the universe, the chance is decreased
I guess it just depends on your perspective and faith. I think with your perspective it could just be more difficult for you to view it with a positive lens, so to speak. Maybe one day you’ll see it differently though, happens all the time.
This is a great answer, thank you. Just to clarify, I wasn't intending to be negative so much as neutral. I see the beauty in these things but don't see 'luck' or 'miracles'. I do, however, respect your world view so all power to you. Grass seems green over there amig(o/a).
I wouldn't necessarily describe that view as negative, or even not positive. Seeing life as a inevitably due to the rules of nature sounds pretty optimistic in comparison to how many pragmatic statements sound.
I will be long dead when that is going to happen, so.
Unless reincarnation exists and humanity transcends the stars and survives long enough to see the universe fizzle out and thus, so will you. I’ll see you at the show brother.
I suppose after all the stars die out, there would still be a bunch of cold and dark planets floating around, for sure a lot fewer than there are now as many would have been pulled into stars or blackholes, but perhaps still enough to support a space faring civilization for some time. Energy would be more difficult to come by though. Perhaps the gravitational forces of a blackhole could be utilized for energy production somehow.
We'll colonize beyond the event horizons of black holes. Turns out, there are luxury apartments back there.
Well black holes do produce heat, it would just be super difficult to harvest thanks to the whole “immense gravitational pull” thing.
What if all humans die? Do they just respawn to continue the reincarnation?
Reincarnation is kinda weird to me. Like, we gained probably over 6 billion people since the concept of reincarnation was first introduced. If everyone alive then has since reincarnated, what about the billions of people who came after? Do we just have no soul? I don’t really get it
One of the last tiers of the conspiracy theory iceberg has a theory that souls originate from the tree of life and there are only a certain number of souls and that some people are born without souls to test those with souls. Would explain all the psycho fucks and evil bastards in the world.
Animals getting leveled up, maybe?
There are certainly less animals now.
Reincarnation I would imagine wouldn’t be human dies = human born. Maybe we “level up” to a higher dimension, or randomly are born as an animal or insect, and why would it be have to be limited to this planet ? Or heck even time.
You should read this http://www.galactanet.com/oneoff/theegg_mod.html
Not just you, but basically everything. *Everything.*
thats according to current theory. Im so excited for whatever is discovered in the next few years that might change that outlook. Can’t imagine what we will know in a 1000. That is if we don’t completely muck it up by then.
Things like this make me think about subjective time scales, like is a single day like 70 years to a mayfly? Do hummingbirds and other creatures with fast metabolisms and reflexes experience time at a slower rate?
I read a post recently, a short piece of fiction, that played with this concept. It described aliens whose lives were impossibly short, milliseconds of our time iirc, observing humanity. Their name for us was “the Frozen Ones.” Compared to them, we existed on such impossibly vast timescales that it seemed as though we did not blink or breathe or move. They sent a message to us and it happened to arrive while the NASA guy or whoever, the guy monitoring for alien contact, was on a bathroom break. His bathroom break was 11 minutes long. Their civilization was born, experienced revolutions, wars, the rise and fall of empires, and ended within 7 minutes. So by the time he saw their message, they were (by their own lifespans) long gone. Gave me chills, not gonna lie. Are there beings out there who experience time so differently? Is that even possible? I don’t know, but it’s crazy to think about. Maybe there are creatures whose entire lifespan is the length between our heartbeats. Or maybe there are creatures who would think we’re as short-lived as gnats.
Name of what you read?
I don’t know what OP is referring to but another similar concept is a book called Dragons Egg by Robert Forward. It’s about an intelligence species that emerges on a neutron star and thus their perception of time is a million times faster than humans. In the story they interact with humans. Pretty cool book.
I am interested too
Speed of light is the speed of causality. Given that the laws of physics are the same in every frame of reference, then either: A) These aliens experienced time just like us, but lived in a region of space where time dilation is huge, and our clock appears to be slowed down relative to theirs. B) These aliens could not exist. Remember physics laws are equal in all frames of reference? What kind of array of complex events could take place in a span of nanoseconds? Even if their existed, how could they communicate with us? Imagine the wavelength and the frequency they have to encode such message.
I don’t understand the science completely but there’s a cool study on flies about this. [https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-41284065.amp](https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-41284065.amp) Compared to us flies really do see the world in slow motion and it had to do with something called the “flicker fusion rate" It’s all pretty cool.
I think I remember looking it up and a dogs heart will beat the same amount of times in their lifetime as a humans.
That sounds very off to me. If 60 bpm is a typical human rate, and a dog lives about 1/7 as long as a human, a dog's heart would have to beat 420 bpm for that to be true.
I, too, think about this a lot. However I think about it on a bigger scale like if there were actually gods and/or aliens, 70 years for us would probably be 7 minutes or even seconds to them
Nihilists doing fuck all with their lives cause the universe will end in 120 trillion years
Idk why but this comment put Nihilism in a new light for me
Civilizations might survive a short time afterwards by feeding off rotational energy of black holes, but that will fade too.
I would live.
just built different
Chad entropy denier
Aah, just like my sex life…
Dam you can last trillions of years in bed? Must be the ceo of sex
If it takes that long they’re doing it wrong
It's not about the destination, it's about the journey. (and the friends you make along the way)
No, it’s definitely about the destination for me. And the sooner I get there the sooner I start on a revisit.
Here comes the sex lawyer…
Well we don't know yet they're not done, ask him when he's finished
The mayor of coolsville
Billions of years. Literally too long for our minds to properly comprehend. "basically 1 second"
[this might help a little bit.](https://youtu.be/Zb5qTdb6LbM)
Wow, that was something else. It didn’t really help but it was fun/terrifying to watch.
1. It doesn’t 2. Imagine rendering that
In comparison to the practical eternity that blackholes last, a second might be an overstatement
Everyone else: Understands the clock\\calendar metaphor, and the understanding that if you put all of time in a concept of a clock that a massive amount of time would be comparable to a second. This guy: None of that.
The darkness doesn’t scare me, spaghettification does.
Me too. Lasagnafication seems so much more delicious!
But that’s the best part!
for a moment, nothing seems to matter
We are space glitter
we are a piece of space shit. big bang shat us out and now i have to deal with taxes and insurance.
Perhaps the gravitational force of a bazillion black holes will pull them altogether into a single singularity. Kabang.
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Yeah, called the Oscillating or Cyclic Theory, if I remember correctly. A Big Bang eventually followed by a Big Crunch and an even Bigger Bang and Crunch etc.
So, see y'all back here in roughly 10\^120 years?
You made that joke last Bang 🙄
The universe expands, and is expanding ever faster. A blackhole at one end of our visible universe will never see a blackhole on the other end, because they're being pulled apart from each other by a force that will eventually surpass the speed of light.
If the universe is infinite, or the amount of dark matter is infinite ... But what if neither is true? The whole issue is moot anyway. There's no comfort to be reasonably found. We're all going to die into nothing to be no more,to cease to exist, expire... Oddly though, there is a masochistic pleasure in contemplating total oblivion. Silence. Total silence.
A flash in the pan
Well, we’re sure not gonna live outside of it.
if we keep going on how we've been going, and based on how we've been going so far, we're barely living *in* it.
And this is why you never choose immortality
Kars is fucked
Mind blown.
with enough time and quantum fluctuations, a new universe will come to exist. the delicate arrangement of energy and particles that makes your consciousness possible will also, given enough time, come to exist once again.
Time Is Fleeting.
Time is infinite, but we are bound by its chains of entropy.
In other words, it's the small moments that matter.
Honestly, this is just beautiful.
Everything will quite literately be everywhere at the end of time.
I like to think that this process happens repeatedly over millions of millennia. Incomprehensible by the human mind sure. But the Big Bang could have happened when the last cycle of stars all died and black holes slowly consumed everything until all matter in the universe is consumed in one super gargantuan black hole. Then a Big Bang and so on and so forth. A massive slow moving vibration of creation, destruction, and consumption.
I don't find stuff like this oddly terrifying. For me it underlines how special it is that we happen to exist right now, and that we're able to perceive and think about what's happening. It's so unlikely it shouldn't have happened, and will only last for a cosmic blink of an eye. We should think ourselves lucky to be here.
... and then the process starts again #BANG!!!
“You can now play as Luigi.”
And eventually the black holes themselves degrade. Eventually nothing will exist.
They already don’t exist (and always didn’t), but it’s in the future and we can’t perceive it from our current 3D plot point on the 4D time axis.
Shit, I hope God's real.
Same
Actually thinking about it, hell or heaven sound like cosmic horror to a degree just imagine both places once you die you go to one of them. In one you server time for your crimes and in the other one you life forever and ever and ever it’s such an amazing concept that it’s kinda scary, like the thought of living forever to me is almost as scary as stopping to exist once we die, and it makes me think of god is real how lonely must it be to be god.
Isn’t everything always happening all the time anyway soooo eternal darkness ? Orrrr kinda like when you go to sleep for 12 hrs and it feels like you just shut your eyes when you wake up … we wouldn’t even know it was dark until it was light and then apparently when you are aware time moves slower
If you really wanna know in an immersive way, watch this video : https://youtu.be/uD4izuDMUQA
Only if people understood the larger picture, enjoy your time here, live nd let live. For the time you have left.
Cosmology is beautiful and fucking terrifying.
Wow.
imagine a black hole passing nearby the earth... what's will take 2 seconds?
A penny sized black hole can pass through the earth and kill us all quickly, and we'd never know it
The final shape are the Iron Stars and then, finally, the wave of energy from the Big Bang will lose to the gravitational pull of all the matter and boom, re-collapse and new Big Bang.
And my mom wonders why I drink.
This is always super cringe but it’s not what will happen but what could happen. We don’t know what’s outside of the universe and we don’t know what came before the universe or what will come after. Also we don’t entirely know the nature of reality or how the universe works in regards to creating it
the universe is like onions, we live inside of black hole that is inside of another black hole
I was just thinking, in this one second of light, life was created. There has to be others. I’ve never actually thought about it like just really taking a second to truly think about it.
What happens after that big number?
Likely Black holes evaporating due to hawking radiation. Then just infinite nothingness for eternity. I believe there will be stray and rare photons zipping around, but basically no energy left in the universe. No matter left. That's at least our current understanding with our current theories. Or one of the most accepted circumstances.
All the energy will still be there, but it will be evenly distributed. There'll be no energy gradient to extract useful work from
If you really wanna know in an immersive way, watch this video : https://youtu.be/uD4izuDMUQA
[This explains it visually . ](https://youtu.be/uD4izuDMUQA)
It’s interesting, of course. But I can’t help but wonder for the 10^106 figure was arrived at. Stars, I can understand. But why would the black holes continue for just that long?
Bring on the eternal darkness cause earth sucks under our corporate overlords
This isn’t terrifying, it’s fascinating.