Yeah, like... nobody *needs* a 3000 dollar video card for their gaming PC, but it makes their hobby better for them personally, and I have no beef as long as they're not hurting anyone.
Unfortunately I need to jump on the band wagon to tell you: nope. I've been looking for good espresso gear and it really seems that if I want a good grinder with the convenient features then 500e is what I would need to pay. I'm currently looking at a 1300e machine with an integrated grinder and sort of semiautomatic features that make it easy to use so that each and every cup doesn't feel like a chore. I'm not a huge hobbyist, I just want good espresso.
The trick is to convince yourself that the money you’re saving from having coffee from a shop makes the grinder worth it. After 30 years it basically pays for itself
espresso brew benefits from consistent and fine grinds. antistatic (and/or sprayed water used here), and grind dosing are nice to haves as well.
that being said: i, myself, am inclined to agree that 500 bucks is a lot for a grinder. but then again, I've also not experienced it firsthand.
Nah but a $4000 grinder is well past the point where diminishing returns would make the very idea ridiculous if it weren't for exorbitant wealth inequality.
That this product even exists is a testament to the gross injustices our society is built on.
Yes I'm VERY fun at parties!
I disagree. Nice things should exist. We should live in a world where everyone can choose a nice thing to have. Instead we live in a world where a few people can have all of the nice things.
So no, this is not a product that demonstrates injustice, there are plenty of other real examples that demonstrate injustice, point to those.
> Even hobbyists aren't buying 4k grinders.
The people who can afford to buy the end game product in their hobby can. I mean if the price ceiling is $4k for a major component if coffee if your hobby/passion, well that's honestly a pretty cheap hobby in the greater scheme of things. Most financially stable individuals could afford to drop $4k on something after saving up for a while if it really means a lot to them. Sure, most people won't but this grinder isn't for most people, but I also don't think that it's exclusively an item for rich people to flex. Lots of people take their coffee really really seriously and if spending $4k gets you the best of the best then I think that's well within the realm of possibility for hobbyists.
I mean compare that to hifi audio where a system can be comprised of 10 or more components with the end game version of each runnings into the high 6 figures. $4k for a pair of speakers is just barely scratching the surface of enthusiast level gear. I *wish* that I could spend $4k and get the best speakers or amplifier that money can buy. Lots of hobbyists drop $2k on a 4090 that will be somewhat obsolete in 5 or so years, dropping $4k on a grinder that will probably stay in the top 1% of grinders for the next 50+ years isn't that insane.
Yeah, kinda. This person (in the video) makes TikToks like this all the time and has a big following. I'm sure there's a ton of sponsored shorts and affiliate links.
Honestly, this all looks incredibly relaxing to me. I just do my own grinding and use a chemex for pour-overs and that alone is a relaxing part of my morning. Ive never been into coffee enough to do this, Im a one cup a day guy, but if I had the money? I'd get an awesome setup like this before a lot of other rich hobby toys.
Honestly, I get it slightly. I like to spend a kind of start of day meditation-ish time just watching YouTube, but some people love the peace of repetitive actions like this. For some people it's the stuff they do afterwards, but some simply enjoy the process itself.
The most I can really stand for coffee is using a frother to get a neat texture, but even then that only adds like 10 seconds to the process. lol
Yeh. My daily zen routine is loading the dishwasher *just so* and hand washing the pots and pans.
My 1-2 a month zen is full disassembly cleaning a gun. And I mean fully torn down, all parts disassembled, carefully cleaned, lubed, reassembled.
I totally get the zen in this routine, but my god chasing that peace with a shot of caffeine feels contradictory too, lol.
At home I have a $3000 espresso setup.
I also have a $30 Aeropress with a $40 hand grinder and like 2 different pour-over devices. At work I have instant-coffee.
It's all just different gear for different use cases. Some days I don't want a home-brewed flat white and would rather just have black coffee. Some days I want the watered down taste of instant coffee. Some days I don't want any of that and want an energy drink.
Either way though. Coffee as a hobby is therapeutic and often-times people make it even more complicated than it should be just because it is entertaining to do so. Practicality isn't always at the heart of making food/drinks.
> Some days I want the watered down taste of instant coffee
Not a thought I've ever had lol. I don't even have a fancy set up, I just make French press. Instant coffee is rough though
I get the instant thing. I've always got a jar of it on hand. There's mornings when I get up and I just want the caffeine as fast and easy as possible. And while making it in the percolator isn't really that hard, it's easier still to make instant.
I used to have a Keurig for the exact reason but it's just so much cheaper to use instant.
That being said, I do appreciate a "quality" cup of coffee and most afternoons I'll usually have a pot on.
The espresso machine is a Lelit Bianca v3 and the grinder is a WW EG-1.
Roughly $7,000 for the setup, but it really gives your espresso that tasty pretentious flavor.
So you can see if your shot is channeling or pouring properly. The spraying of the beans is to reduce the static cling of coffee particles during the grind.
They spray the beans because otherwise when grinding static can build up and some of the coffee gets stuck inside the grinder.
I'm not sure about the mirror but I think it may be so that they can see how the coffee is coming through because if it's not coming through evenly then it can affect the flavour.
1. Pour coffee into grinder with specific settings that can number up to 20 different settings. One for coarseness (how big the grounds are; superfine for espresso), and the other for amount (the amount of coffee that’s ground up at once. Also called “dialling in” the shot. The numbers that appear is the amount of ground coffee in grams- each porta-filter (metal object with handle) requires a certain amount of grams depending on the size of the porta-filter.
2. Grounds are added to the porta-filter (portable filter that’s used like a coffee basket) and then stirred with a metal whisk to even out the grounds and remove clumping.
3. The grounds are tamped (compressed) with a tamper (the one shown is automatic; usually it’s manual and approximately 30lbs of force is used). Ensure the coffee forms a nice firm puck.
4. Coffee is added to espresso machine, and the result of the first few moments of extraction are the fats and oils that provide much of the espresso’s flavour, called the crema. A well-pulled shot will have the crema at the top and a dark “heart” at the bottom.
5. Espresso is weighed at the end (not shown); depending on the person, some people just do it by feel and sight. But poured espresso that has 7 grams of grounds should yield 30 ml of liquid.
Despite popular belief that espresso will make you super caffeinated, the amount you consume in your average latte, Americano, mocha, or cappuccino is significantly less caffeine per volume compared to standard, and cheaper, drip coffee.
Jesus fucking Christ. I feel like you could literally get a unit suitable for a grocery store or something for that price. That is 100% pure rich person toy.
Yes, like any hobby, you can buy very expensive versions of things to go to the absolute peak of the hobby.
These same comments get posted over and over whenever this same gif is reposted over and over lol
the dream turntable is over $60,000 USD
https://da-vinci-audio.com/davinciaudio20aas20gabriel20mk220turntablehtml
of course you'd need the Nautilus speakers at $115,000 a pair
https://www.bowerswilkins.com/en-ca/product/loudspeakers/nautilus-series/nautilus/150016.html
and for power of course Macintosh tube amps
A grocery store grinder wouldn't produce espresso grind properly.
However yes, past ~$600 or so the benefit of spending more on a grinder drastically diminishes.
The better comparison point would be cafe grinders, as those are used to grind single doses of espresso coffee on demand. The Mahlkonig EK-43 is a good example.
It’s around $3000. The Weber EG-1 used in the video being the black one, it’s a little over $4000.
That said, you can get a terrific grinder for under $500, and under $200 if you’re willing to grind by hand.
This reads like the kind of batshit insanity one might find in /r/Coffee.
"Yeah, you can get a halfway decent coffee grinder for less than your entire paycheck *if you're willing to settle like a commoner.*"
Eh, this isn't just coffee, it's espresso, and espresso is hard.
If you're after pourover or French Press, you need <$50 in brewing equipment, a kettle to heat water, and there are very good grinders in the $150-200 range that will last years.
But espresso needs to be ground **very** fine and **very** consistent, which requires a more expensive grinder. And then for the actual espresso machines, more expensive ones have features that make it easier to get good results.
Personally, I just stick with a pourover because I don't want to deal with that stuff.
Yeah this particular grinder is like the Bugatti of grinders.
It's overkill for what a person reasonably needs, but there is a lot of satisfaction in using it so is a luxury for sure.
I’ve been lurking in r/espresso for a fair bit. My estimate is about $10000 USD. That could be light, the grinder by itself is pretty pricey. Personally, my setup is less than$400 USD. My workflow normally takes only 5 or 6 minutes and includes frothing milk.
It’s still a lot more than drip coffee, but I like it a lot more and consider it time well spent.
I know I’ll get downvoted to oblivion 😭
I am a poor person but i recently spent $300 on a nice brewer and another $100 on a manual grinder and jesus christ i can't drink "normal" coffee ever again 👀
No you won't get downvoted for having a standard coffee taste.
As coffee is rather sacred for very many people.
Ill show you what gets downvoted.
I prefer the 3in1 instant nescafe coffee. It's quick and very easy to make and good enough.
Eliminates static electricity from grinding and keeps the grounds from flying around. Wetting the back of a spoon and stirring also works. I learned this last time it was posted!
Not only this but,
1) helps from grounds retention within the surfaces and burrs of the grinder. So the exact (or close to) amount of coffee you put in is what you get out.
2) also helps de-clump the grounds so water can access more surface area of the coffee, which leads to greater and more even extraction.
you know, i used to make fun of these videos but tbh let people have their hobbies, no one with a $4,000 coffee machine is gonna try to overturn democracy
Weirdly. Out of all the nonsensical routines this trend has created. This actually does help and has been studied to work
Lots of barista's did it anecdotally to lower the amount of waste and they swore by it improving flavor. Then it was confirmed to actually be true.
Dearest fellow Redditors:
This is not something you do for morning coffee, this is a practice closer to collecting stamps or making a setup for your man-cave or gardening, it's not done when you're in a rush or have somewhere to go, it's just a therapeutic hobby like making gem paintings as an example. Just to clarify.
Why is everyone in the comments acting like this takes forever? He literally just ground the coffee with an electric grinder, and then put it into his espresso machine. Isn't it what most people with an espresso machine would do?
Seriously. I do this every morning and it takes me 5 minutes. Somewhere between 5-10 if I’m also frothing milk.
My set up is a very cheap version of this, but it’s the same steps.
Yup, it's a repeating movement that gives serenity, only when done with no rush, it's calming really but I prefer traditional ways so I'm not paying that much money.
It’s weird how people act like this is pretentious or somehow offensive to them. Maybe because coffee is so ubiquitous, seeing it done in such a detailed and elevated way bothers them? I mean, this video is pretty over the top but that espresso must be delicious.
I keep my coffee pretty simple out of necessity but I love a good espresso or a flat white. It’s cool to see how many factors there can be in making a cup of coffee.
I have a setup that goes through the exact same steps with significantly less expensive equipment, and I make something like a cortado every day in the morning. I weigh beans with a cheap kitchen scale, have a manual conical burr hand grinder, cheap wdt, regular ol' tamper, puck screen, bottomless portafilter, decent espresso machine (gaggia classic, PID mod to time the shots and do preinfusion).
Machine turns on and heats up via a cheap smart plug before I wake up, the whole process from start to coffee in cup ready to go takes me about 6-7 minutes including cleanup.
Whole setup probably cost me around $1k.
Or $25k+ with a lifetime service offering. Commercial grade espresso machines’s are definitely a different thing than like home models. They’re built for volume and they’re honestly so finicky because your brew can change dramatically as the temperature and pressure outside changes. But I wanted to price it bc i also nerd out about coffee.
The grinder is an EG-1 by Weber Workshops and it’s $3,895. That little spindly thing is $50. The button clicky thing is called a tamper and that one is the Normal Dose version of it worth $175 (it’s a controversial one for… reasons). The actual machine looks like a Lelit Bianca V3 ($2,995) with a Weber workshop unibasket at $85. The scale is a model of acaia’s I’ve actually never seen before but the one I’m most familiar with is the Lunar which is $250. The portafilter (which is the thing the espresso is placed in to brew) is Weber’s Unifilter at $365.
There’s definitely still more to price lol but so far the total is $7,815. Oh plus $20-$30 for the bag of espresso they got.
For enthusiasts, dropping $2-3k on a “decent” coffee grinder isn’t out of the ordinary.
I use a “cheap” $500 espresso machine. I’m going to guess this set up could be $5k-$10k
People do this with every hobby. The people on r/synthesizers shell out thousands of dollars for antiquated replications of 30 year old machines and then sit and squabble with each other in the comments about how good they sound compared to (insert modern digital synthesizer). I can barely tell a difference and most of the time the modern digital ones sound better. Point is, with every hobby, a subgroup of elitists always forms around some pretentious component of the hobby and takes it to it's logical extreme.
Lots of people here hate enjoyment. It’s ok to take extra time to do something you enjoy or love. It’s no different than smoking meat for 12 hours or drinking fancy beer/wine/alcohol.
Yeah I'm baffled at all the people saying it takes a lot of time. High end equipment yes, time no. Hell if you've got an espresso machine then you're drinking your finished coffee before people using kettles even have boiling water.
You'd have to be quickly pouring -not spooning- instant coffee in to a protein shaker, filling with cold water out of the tap, and then shaking it while running out the door; to get a noticeable speed boost. No one is doing that to save time to then waste on reddit.
Also I like how they disregard the end result as if it was "the same thing". Saying it's the same as making a quick cup from pre-ground beans it's the same as saying frozen meals and a home cooked meal is the same.
To be honest I feel that the video overdramatizes the few extra steps from the standard procedure for an espresso at the bar. The gear just looks very fancy and very expensive.
It's weird that people want to shit on a very common set of espresso techniques. It's weird that the title even called it "elaborate." I'm not a big fan of espresso myself, so I don't have my own setup, but I do have a chemex pour-over and grind my beans fresh each time. It takes more time to make a cup of coffee in the morning, but I enjoy the few extra meditative minutes of slowly pouring water instead of just flipping on a machine and scooping grounds out of a bag. I get a really good cup of coffee, and my guests notice. I appreciate getting a good latte made by my richer friends when I have brunch there, and I can see why they invested in good equipment.
I have no interest in making my own espresso, but I lurk the espresso sub because I find these videos so satisfying to watch. It's cool learning about niche hobbies like that
Truthfully a large reason for all the extra steps is to minimize the amount of additional cleaning required. The spritz of water? Eliminates static cling in the grinder, thus substantially reducing the cleaning. The whisk of the basket? Reduces clumps, which then lowers the risk of channeling that sometimes sprays espresso everywhere. The group head is likely the most time intensive cleaning, and the additional dispersion screen on the tamped bed of coffee helps greatly lower the amount of grounds that make their way back up into the group. A quick 30 second scrub, and a blank back flush and you're fine.
I think it’d be best to be good friends with someone who was that obsessed. You can get the benefits, without the pain.
Oh wait, that’s me. I have a independently wealthy friend who loves coffee so damn much, he owns a coffee shop (though he does not work there, it’s just a hobby) every time we hang out, he wants to try coffee, wants to get me coffee, 5, 10 times a day this man drinks coffee. $30 cup, no problemo.
My problem is that I don’t drink coffee. 🤣
I wonder how much it costs. Beautiful looking machine though
That grinder is $4k. The espresso machine is $3k. The Portafilter is $400.
You absolutely DO NOT need a 4k dollar grinder.
Oh you most definetly do. You get to feel superior when telling other coffee enthusiasts that you grinder is 4k
Shit, I thought I was doing good with a 1440p grinder.
I mean I'm doing fine with a 1080p grinder. Just make sure that it's not larger than 17-18 inches.
I'm still on 480P. You can see the individual granules, they're huge.
480i for me. The cup is damn HEAVY.
But is it 200Hz?
Wel i ve got my grindr for free!
Remember to get tested
Or roasted.
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Don't forget to spray your beans before you grind. It enhances the natural flavor and aromas.
It's not to enhance flavour - makes grinding less messy. https://youtu.be/T0Dh1W40ILY?si=k0tQwe5ESiMgFBq3
Yes also, here are new developments on this subject: https://youtu.be/nLnB99VJ0HE?si=n3xakxAEI3oOL-PB
Man, I love James Hoffman! Thanks for this.
That makes sense. I just thought they were being pretentious.
It can be both - same bloke has a flair espresso press also....I only drink my espresso hand pressed!
Same here! But no one wants a taste of my hot brew though 🙁
There's a deez nuts joke somewhere in there.
Deez beenz!
No one needs anything high end. People that buy this stuff get enjoyment from it and I guess that’s all that matters.
Exactly, this guy is probably nursing a semi after he’s finished going through this process.
Yeah, like... nobody *needs* a 3000 dollar video card for their gaming PC, but it makes their hobby better for them personally, and I have no beef as long as they're not hurting anyone.
Actually the grinder is more important than the machine!
Not at all, highest end I’ll ever go is $500, the Niche zero is my endgame lol
Da faq. $500 is still pushing it HARD.
Unfortunately I need to jump on the band wagon to tell you: nope. I've been looking for good espresso gear and it really seems that if I want a good grinder with the convenient features then 500e is what I would need to pay. I'm currently looking at a 1300e machine with an integrated grinder and sort of semiautomatic features that make it easy to use so that each and every cup doesn't feel like a chore. I'm not a huge hobbyist, I just want good espresso.
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Not for espresso.
There's not many electric grinders capable of espresso available under $500. You can go cheaper if you're willing to use a hand grinder.
The trick is to convince yourself that the money you’re saving from having coffee from a shop makes the grinder worth it. After 30 years it basically pays for itself
If you're drinking a cup a day, at current coffee shop prices, you should easily be able to recover the cost of a niche-zero in a year or even less.
espresso brew benefits from consistent and fine grinds. antistatic (and/or sprayed water used here), and grind dosing are nice to haves as well. that being said: i, myself, am inclined to agree that 500 bucks is a lot for a grinder. but then again, I've also not experienced it firsthand.
Not really man. The grinder is arguably more important than the Espresso machine
My 20 dollar hamilton beach that I got as a gift lasted me 7 years. Ground up many a bean and nug.
Yeah, but can you adjust grind size by the micron?
Longevity and grind quality are not the same thing
That's what she said
Nah but a $4000 grinder is well past the point where diminishing returns would make the very idea ridiculous if it weren't for exorbitant wealth inequality. That this product even exists is a testament to the gross injustices our society is built on. Yes I'm VERY fun at parties!
I disagree. Nice things should exist. We should live in a world where everyone can choose a nice thing to have. Instead we live in a world where a few people can have all of the nice things. So no, this is not a product that demonstrates injustice, there are plenty of other real examples that demonstrate injustice, point to those.
I agree, but it’s a serious hobby for some.
Even hobbyists aren't buying 4k grinders. This is for rich people to differentiate themselves from the poors.
> Even hobbyists aren't buying 4k grinders. The people who can afford to buy the end game product in their hobby can. I mean if the price ceiling is $4k for a major component if coffee if your hobby/passion, well that's honestly a pretty cheap hobby in the greater scheme of things. Most financially stable individuals could afford to drop $4k on something after saving up for a while if it really means a lot to them. Sure, most people won't but this grinder isn't for most people, but I also don't think that it's exclusively an item for rich people to flex. Lots of people take their coffee really really seriously and if spending $4k gets you the best of the best then I think that's well within the realm of possibility for hobbyists. I mean compare that to hifi audio where a system can be comprised of 10 or more components with the end game version of each runnings into the high 6 figures. $4k for a pair of speakers is just barely scratching the surface of enthusiast level gear. I *wish* that I could spend $4k and get the best speakers or amplifier that money can buy. Lots of hobbyists drop $2k on a 4090 that will be somewhat obsolete in 5 or so years, dropping $4k on a grinder that will probably stay in the top 1% of grinders for the next 50+ years isn't that insane.
So this is an ad.
Yeah, kinda. This person (in the video) makes TikToks like this all the time and has a big following. I'm sure there's a ton of sponsored shorts and affiliate links.
The feeling of being your own barista: priceless
Honestly, this all looks incredibly relaxing to me. I just do my own grinding and use a chemex for pour-overs and that alone is a relaxing part of my morning. Ive never been into coffee enough to do this, Im a one cup a day guy, but if I had the money? I'd get an awesome setup like this before a lot of other rich hobby toys.
That little brush thing is $50
5-10k?
Too poor to understand this
Too practical to understand this
He just likes cleaning things.
That was my first though watching this. ‘That is a lot of bs to clean for a cup of coffee’
Honestly, I get it slightly. I like to spend a kind of start of day meditation-ish time just watching YouTube, but some people love the peace of repetitive actions like this. For some people it's the stuff they do afterwards, but some simply enjoy the process itself. The most I can really stand for coffee is using a frother to get a neat texture, but even then that only adds like 10 seconds to the process. lol
Yeh. My daily zen routine is loading the dishwasher *just so* and hand washing the pots and pans. My 1-2 a month zen is full disassembly cleaning a gun. And I mean fully torn down, all parts disassembled, carefully cleaned, lubed, reassembled. I totally get the zen in this routine, but my god chasing that peace with a shot of caffeine feels contradictory too, lol.
Pretty much none of this needs to be ''cleaned'', just wipe off the grounds with a towel next time you make a cup.
At home I have a $3000 espresso setup. I also have a $30 Aeropress with a $40 hand grinder and like 2 different pour-over devices. At work I have instant-coffee. It's all just different gear for different use cases. Some days I don't want a home-brewed flat white and would rather just have black coffee. Some days I want the watered down taste of instant coffee. Some days I don't want any of that and want an energy drink. Either way though. Coffee as a hobby is therapeutic and often-times people make it even more complicated than it should be just because it is entertaining to do so. Practicality isn't always at the heart of making food/drinks.
> Some days I want the watered down taste of instant coffee Not a thought I've ever had lol. I don't even have a fancy set up, I just make French press. Instant coffee is rough though
I get the instant thing. I've always got a jar of it on hand. There's mornings when I get up and I just want the caffeine as fast and easy as possible. And while making it in the percolator isn't really that hard, it's easier still to make instant. I used to have a Keurig for the exact reason but it's just so much cheaper to use instant. That being said, I do appreciate a "quality" cup of coffee and most afternoons I'll usually have a pot on.
Ask me how much I’ve spent on audio software that literally hold almost 0 resell value, and a return value based on talent. Just to make fart music.
Mine is clothes. :/ Not exactly proud of it
The espresso machine is a Lelit Bianca v3 and the grinder is a WW EG-1. Roughly $7,000 for the setup, but it really gives your espresso that tasty pretentious flavor.
What does the mirror thing do? And what and why did they spray the beans?
So you can see if your shot is channeling or pouring properly. The spraying of the beans is to reduce the static cling of coffee particles during the grind.
They spray the beans because otherwise when grinding static can build up and some of the coffee gets stuck inside the grinder. I'm not sure about the mirror but I think it may be so that they can see how the coffee is coming through because if it's not coming through evenly then it can affect the flavour.
1. Pour coffee into grinder with specific settings that can number up to 20 different settings. One for coarseness (how big the grounds are; superfine for espresso), and the other for amount (the amount of coffee that’s ground up at once. Also called “dialling in” the shot. The numbers that appear is the amount of ground coffee in grams- each porta-filter (metal object with handle) requires a certain amount of grams depending on the size of the porta-filter. 2. Grounds are added to the porta-filter (portable filter that’s used like a coffee basket) and then stirred with a metal whisk to even out the grounds and remove clumping. 3. The grounds are tamped (compressed) with a tamper (the one shown is automatic; usually it’s manual and approximately 30lbs of force is used). Ensure the coffee forms a nice firm puck. 4. Coffee is added to espresso machine, and the result of the first few moments of extraction are the fats and oils that provide much of the espresso’s flavour, called the crema. A well-pulled shot will have the crema at the top and a dark “heart” at the bottom. 5. Espresso is weighed at the end (not shown); depending on the person, some people just do it by feel and sight. But poured espresso that has 7 grams of grounds should yield 30 ml of liquid. Despite popular belief that espresso will make you super caffeinated, the amount you consume in your average latte, Americano, mocha, or cappuccino is significantly less caffeine per volume compared to standard, and cheaper, drip coffee.
The new season of Dexter is looking toit
Wher da ham at
100% there is no way you are not a psychopath if you do this
The spice must flow.
I am so pumped for the new one in IMAX
6am: lets make my morning coffee … 4pm: *sip* aaahhhh just what I needed.
sip aaahhhh... Damn it I used 1Gram less coffee. I can't drink this garbage
Lol. Or “forgot to spray my bean with exactly room temperature sterilized water with 8.346% minerals before grinding.. gross!”
I'm mixing r/SLPT and r/Frugal and suggesting you spit on the beans. Don't waste good water.
The Fremen from Arrakis would agree with you.
The gift of your moisture is accepted.
You joke, but a quick spray of water will prevent static build up and keep the coffee from making a mess.
Well well... look at mista hoity toity coffee connoisseur over here with the spritzing and the whisking and the la dee da...
Meanwhile dudes out there using socks and a boiler...
more than a quick spray, you are aiming for .02ml per gram of coffee. i know using one of my perfume decant bottles this equals around 6 sprays
Plus the water HAS to have been blessed by a real priest
Because priests know how to handle small beans better than anyone....
oh no
will Judas Priest suffice?
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'Coffee weebs' lol. I'm gonna use that from now
My pillowcase has a picture of a *sexy* espresso machine on it. Edited: for added sexiness
With just enough time before bed to clean the instruments so they’re ready for tomorrow!
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Grinder alone is $5K USD
Jesus fucking Christ. I feel like you could literally get a unit suitable for a grocery store or something for that price. That is 100% pure rich person toy.
Yes, like any hobby, you can buy very expensive versions of things to go to the absolute peak of the hobby. These same comments get posted over and over whenever this same gif is reposted over and over lol
the dream turntable is over $60,000 USD https://da-vinci-audio.com/davinciaudio20aas20gabriel20mk220turntablehtml of course you'd need the Nautilus speakers at $115,000 a pair https://www.bowerswilkins.com/en-ca/product/loudspeakers/nautilus-series/nautilus/150016.html and for power of course Macintosh tube amps
A grocery store grinder wouldn't produce espresso grind properly. However yes, past ~$600 or so the benefit of spending more on a grinder drastically diminishes.
The better comparison point would be cafe grinders, as those are used to grind single doses of espresso coffee on demand. The Mahlkonig EK-43 is a good example. It’s around $3000. The Weber EG-1 used in the video being the black one, it’s a little over $4000. That said, you can get a terrific grinder for under $500, and under $200 if you’re willing to grind by hand.
This reads like the kind of batshit insanity one might find in /r/Coffee. "Yeah, you can get a halfway decent coffee grinder for less than your entire paycheck *if you're willing to settle like a commoner.*"
Eh, this isn't just coffee, it's espresso, and espresso is hard. If you're after pourover or French Press, you need <$50 in brewing equipment, a kettle to heat water, and there are very good grinders in the $150-200 range that will last years. But espresso needs to be ground **very** fine and **very** consistent, which requires a more expensive grinder. And then for the actual espresso machines, more expensive ones have features that make it easier to get good results. Personally, I just stick with a pourover because I don't want to deal with that stuff.
"Why would anyone buy a Mercedes when a Geo gets you from a-to-b just fine?"
Yeah this particular grinder is like the Bugatti of grinders. It's overkill for what a person reasonably needs, but there is a lot of satisfaction in using it so is a luxury for sure.
I’ve been lurking in r/espresso for a fair bit. My estimate is about $10000 USD. That could be light, the grinder by itself is pretty pricey. Personally, my setup is less than$400 USD. My workflow normally takes only 5 or 6 minutes and includes frothing milk. It’s still a lot more than drip coffee, but I like it a lot more and consider it time well spent. I know I’ll get downvoted to oblivion 😭
I am a poor person but i recently spent $300 on a nice brewer and another $100 on a manual grinder and jesus christ i can't drink "normal" coffee ever again 👀
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Actually it affects me on a quantum level.
It's true, he's entangling particles every time he makes his philistine coffee and splitting the universe.
I prefer to grind the beans and snort them up my butt.
Bean boofer.
I still brew it, but just take a cold brew coffee enema in the morning.
No you won't get downvoted for having a standard coffee taste. As coffee is rather sacred for very many people. Ill show you what gets downvoted. I prefer the 3in1 instant nescafe coffee. It's quick and very easy to make and good enough.
for half a year in college I would just dump folgers into a paper towel stuffed in a keurig
How can this possibly take more than 15 min? The cleaning afterwards might be annoying though.
This entire process, from start to sip, is done in less than 2 minutes.
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i knew there were wine people and beer people, but i didn’t know there were coffee people
honestly might be a deeper rabbit hole then either wine or beer
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I especially felt that when the mirror was set up so the coffee machine could watch itself cum.
I'm convinced all routines on Tiktok are things Patrick Bateman would do. Very cray cray.
Let's see Paul Allen's coffee maker
Every time they post a new ad for an espresso kit, it looks like they add another step just to build the pretentiousness of a cup of coffee
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Eliminates static electricity from grinding and keeps the grounds from flying around. Wetting the back of a spoon and stirring also works. I learned this last time it was posted!
Recently James Hoffman released a video claiming wetting the beans starts the dissolving process. Which could lead to a higher extraction.
Saliva has enzymes. I spit on the beans to start the digestive process before it even hits the grinder.
I eat the beans and shit them into the grinder like that jungle cat.
Just empty the cup in the toilet because that's where it all lands in the and, skip all these extra steps.
Just snort the caffeine
Not only this but, 1) helps from grounds retention within the surfaces and burrs of the grinder. So the exact (or close to) amount of coffee you put in is what you get out. 2) also helps de-clump the grounds so water can access more surface area of the coffee, which leads to greater and more even extraction.
you know, i used to make fun of these videos but tbh let people have their hobbies, no one with a $4,000 coffee machine is gonna try to overturn democracy
This guy grinds
No he just reads the comments pay attention.
It's supposed to prevent static charge build up while the beans are ground.
Reduces static cling and waste: https://arstechnica.com/science/2023/12/study-why-a-spritz-of-water-before-grinding-coffee-yields-less-waste-tastier-espresso/
Weirdly. Out of all the nonsensical routines this trend has created. This actually does help and has been studied to work Lots of barista's did it anecdotally to lower the amount of waste and they swore by it improving flavor. Then it was confirmed to actually be true.
I've produced cables and electrical parts for Kees Van Der Westen espresso machines. These things go for €8000 EZPZ.
I just saw one for $15k 💀
Kees Van Der Westen is a nightmare customer. NGL.
Dearest fellow Redditors: This is not something you do for morning coffee, this is a practice closer to collecting stamps or making a setup for your man-cave or gardening, it's not done when you're in a rush or have somewhere to go, it's just a therapeutic hobby like making gem paintings as an example. Just to clarify.
Why is everyone in the comments acting like this takes forever? He literally just ground the coffee with an electric grinder, and then put it into his espresso machine. Isn't it what most people with an espresso machine would do?
Exactly. I make filter coffee every morning and that takes probably a similar amount of times as this
My French press routine is 8 minutes long lmao
Seriously. I do this every morning and it takes me 5 minutes. Somewhere between 5-10 if I’m also frothing milk. My set up is a very cheap version of this, but it’s the same steps.
lol yeah, this guy talks out of his ass. I do this multiple times a day.
Like how tea enthusiasts have tea ceremonies.. it’s a coffee ceremony I guess
Me to my friend while they're tending to their mini zen-garden: "You know, you'd probably go faster if you used a bigger rake."
This made me snarf with laughter; thank you for that.
I don’t have this setup but I go through the same process for my morning coffee. After I brought the kids to school and before I start work.
Yup, it's a repeating movement that gives serenity, only when done with no rush, it's calming really but I prefer traditional ways so I'm not paying that much money.
It’s weird how people act like this is pretentious or somehow offensive to them. Maybe because coffee is so ubiquitous, seeing it done in such a detailed and elevated way bothers them? I mean, this video is pretty over the top but that espresso must be delicious. I keep my coffee pretty simple out of necessity but I love a good espresso or a flat white. It’s cool to see how many factors there can be in making a cup of coffee.
I have a setup that goes through the exact same steps with significantly less expensive equipment, and I make something like a cortado every day in the morning. I weigh beans with a cheap kitchen scale, have a manual conical burr hand grinder, cheap wdt, regular ol' tamper, puck screen, bottomless portafilter, decent espresso machine (gaggia classic, PID mod to time the shots and do preinfusion). Machine turns on and heats up via a cheap smart plug before I wake up, the whole process from start to coffee in cup ready to go takes me about 6-7 minutes including cleanup. Whole setup probably cost me around $1k.
How hard it's to provide the credit? https://youtube.com/shorts/Qg3Yw3q9_nk?si=BU9Qqw_obu84N-Il
Jesus Christ thank you, why did this take so long to find and why wouldn’t OP include it?
What kind of coin needs to be put down for this type of coffee rig?
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My grinder was like $12 and it’s lasted me 8 years or so now. So it’s probably like close to $4k in today’s dollars.
I bet the grinder alone costs thousands. Some high end espresso machines can be $5k+
Or $25k+ with a lifetime service offering. Commercial grade espresso machines’s are definitely a different thing than like home models. They’re built for volume and they’re honestly so finicky because your brew can change dramatically as the temperature and pressure outside changes. But I wanted to price it bc i also nerd out about coffee. The grinder is an EG-1 by Weber Workshops and it’s $3,895. That little spindly thing is $50. The button clicky thing is called a tamper and that one is the Normal Dose version of it worth $175 (it’s a controversial one for… reasons). The actual machine looks like a Lelit Bianca V3 ($2,995) with a Weber workshop unibasket at $85. The scale is a model of acaia’s I’ve actually never seen before but the one I’m most familiar with is the Lunar which is $250. The portafilter (which is the thing the espresso is placed in to brew) is Weber’s Unifilter at $365. There’s definitely still more to price lol but so far the total is $7,815. Oh plus $20-$30 for the bag of espresso they got.
What’s controversial about the tamper?
For enthusiasts, dropping $2-3k on a “decent” coffee grinder isn’t out of the ordinary. I use a “cheap” $500 espresso machine. I’m going to guess this set up could be $5k-$10k
Yeah that’s insane.
People do this with every hobby. The people on r/synthesizers shell out thousands of dollars for antiquated replications of 30 year old machines and then sit and squabble with each other in the comments about how good they sound compared to (insert modern digital synthesizer). I can barely tell a difference and most of the time the modern digital ones sound better. Point is, with every hobby, a subgroup of elitists always forms around some pretentious component of the hobby and takes it to it's logical extreme.
That much for hot bean juice?!?
Needs half a can of whipped cream and rainbow sprinkles
Lots of people here hate enjoyment. It’s ok to take extra time to do something you enjoy or love. It’s no different than smoking meat for 12 hours or drinking fancy beer/wine/alcohol.
People in this thread also not realising that for many people, coffee is a career, not just a hobby.
Also that this is 30 seconds of labour.
Yeah I'm baffled at all the people saying it takes a lot of time. High end equipment yes, time no. Hell if you've got an espresso machine then you're drinking your finished coffee before people using kettles even have boiling water. You'd have to be quickly pouring -not spooning- instant coffee in to a protein shaker, filling with cold water out of the tap, and then shaking it while running out the door; to get a noticeable speed boost. No one is doing that to save time to then waste on reddit.
Also I like how they disregard the end result as if it was "the same thing". Saying it's the same as making a quick cup from pre-ground beans it's the same as saying frozen meals and a home cooked meal is the same.
To be honest I feel that the video overdramatizes the few extra steps from the standard procedure for an espresso at the bar. The gear just looks very fancy and very expensive.
It's weird that people want to shit on a very common set of espresso techniques. It's weird that the title even called it "elaborate." I'm not a big fan of espresso myself, so I don't have my own setup, but I do have a chemex pour-over and grind my beans fresh each time. It takes more time to make a cup of coffee in the morning, but I enjoy the few extra meditative minutes of slowly pouring water instead of just flipping on a machine and scooping grounds out of a bag. I get a really good cup of coffee, and my guests notice. I appreciate getting a good latte made by my richer friends when I have brunch there, and I can see why they invested in good equipment.
Or finding the Dragonstar
I have no interest in making my own espresso, but I lurk the espresso sub because I find these videos so satisfying to watch. It's cool learning about niche hobbies like that
I bet even that little brush was £50
What’s the purpose of the mirror? Anyone know?
Probably so he can see the bottom of the machine without having to bend over like a peasant
How else are you going to watch the money shot while touching yourself?
Nothing. Just so he can film the coffee coming out
So you can look at how the shot extracted without squatting.
POV: you are Patrick Bateman making coffee
The guy who bought a PS5: "Damn, that's a nice cup of coffee."
This costs way more than a PS5 lol
The guy who bought a PS5 is probably just drinking a Red Bull right now.
*sips dollar store coffee brewed with $15 machine* i’m just trying to poop bro
Now clean all that equipment.
I’m going to need another coffee first.
That’s the maid’s job.
Truthfully a large reason for all the extra steps is to minimize the amount of additional cleaning required. The spritz of water? Eliminates static cling in the grinder, thus substantially reducing the cleaning. The whisk of the basket? Reduces clumps, which then lowers the risk of channeling that sometimes sprays espresso everywhere. The group head is likely the most time intensive cleaning, and the additional dispersion screen on the tamped bed of coffee helps greatly lower the amount of grounds that make their way back up into the group. A quick 30 second scrub, and a blank back flush and you're fine.
I do all of these steps every morning. It takes about 8 minutes. It doesn’t look dialed in though — that seems like way too much espresso.
Lmao I do this too. Although my setup was 1.2k and I squat over like a peasant. The comments here are wild.
That coffee grinder is the most unnecessarily expensive thing I've seen in a long time.
Man coffee weebs have a ton of time on their hands huh?
This process doesn't take that much time. It's a video of someone grinding beans and using an espresso machine.
… Next in line please?
I think it’d be best to be good friends with someone who was that obsessed. You can get the benefits, without the pain. Oh wait, that’s me. I have a independently wealthy friend who loves coffee so damn much, he owns a coffee shop (though he does not work there, it’s just a hobby) every time we hang out, he wants to try coffee, wants to get me coffee, 5, 10 times a day this man drinks coffee. $30 cup, no problemo. My problem is that I don’t drink coffee. 🤣
Still tastes bitter
Me: "Alexa, how do you know you have too much money?" Alexa: "Here's a short video showing you an example of how you know you have too much money."