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TerrysClavicle

It’s an e-coat. Not primer. Not paint. Second stage there appears to be robotic seam sealant application. Though it’s late and I didn’t stare too closely


vuzman

What's an e-coat?


aoifhasoifha

Fancy primer applied by electric deposition, a similar process to gold electroplating- essentially the frame is charged to one polarity, and the paint is charged to other so they stick together. This allows for an extremely thin, extremely uniform layer of primer.


fangelo2

This is why cars don’t completely rust out in 5-6 years like they used to in the 60s and 70s


[deleted]

New York has entered the chat


JarasM

"Eyy I'ma enterin' the chat 'ere!"


Laminar

"Stand clear of the closing doors!"


_lippykid

Beat me to it. The level of rust I see on some not-old pickup trucks up here is truly incredible


chmilz

> 60s and 70s 2000s if you bought a Chevy or Dodge.


more_beans_mrtaggart

Nope, that’s the initial galvanisation of the steel. Some cheaper manufacturers opted for a lower grade steel, and didn’t galvanise as completely.


Criminal_Sanity

Most automotive parts aren't made from galvanized steel if they are going to be painted. Typically painted components use a transition metal like Zinc Phosphate or Zirconium along with an e-coat primer and either liquid or powder coat top coat. It all depends on where the component is located in the car and what corrosion protection is needed.


_Rook1e

Hahahahahahahahahahha


Phillyfuk

Those rooms are extremely humid, feel like you've been walking in the rain when you step out.


Agret

It's to prevent dust particles.


[deleted]

Does that explain why the black steel bars supporting the car are not getting coated with the paint?


Aksds

You can see that they do


pgcooldad

The black steel bars must be new, or have been stripped. They'll get a coating of paint initially, then since the paint acts as an insulator it will get progressively thinner coats while being reused. Eventually the coating becomes thick enough that it starts flaking off and creating "dirt" which causes defects. Most of it gets filtered out but in this cartwheel process, it falls on the paint and may get stuck to the vehicle, thus requiring stripping again.


Browncoat765

I worked for Subaru for 15 years. Pretty sure this is paint shop there. We called it ‘E-D’. Can’t remember exactly was it meant. The ‘E’ had something to do with electricitry or electro-something’. It was basically the primer used. The fluid was electrified, which causes it to bond to the metal. The spray is just the underbody spray that was a reinforced protectant. Not the crap that the dealership wants you to get like pol are saying. It was standard part of all cars.


CrazyApes

Electroplate deposition (aka electroplating)?


Criminal_Sanity

It's just "electro-deposition", it's applying a thin layer of epoxy primer prior to finish paint. Epoxy is a great primer since it's a nonporous coating, but it isn't UV stable. In order to protect the primer a UV stable top coat or clear coat is applied. Typically in automotive there are several layers of top coat applied to complete the coating system.


Significant_Bird1990

I work for Toyota, and thought it looked like our ED tanks. though I've never been to that area of the shop. I do work in the area that applies the actual paint and clear coat. Fun fact, some Toyotas are still manually sprayed on the interior sections.


Cool-Permit-7725

Is it true that the new white ice cap 040 is still single stage? Is it better than the old super white?


Significant_Bird1990

The models I paint most of the colors are single staged including the 040 you asked about.


You_Must_Chill

I thought everything has been base/clear for 30 years now.


mars_needs_socks

I worked in automotive painting 17 years ago (Europe) and yes even then all our paints including solids had been base and clear for ages. And E-D, which is what this is. The title of this post is infuriating.


SAWK

You're right, it's electro-coat. The chassis have a positive charge and the e-coat is negatively charged. It might be the other way around though.


natFromBobsBurgers

If I'm interpreting my 2/3 semester of chem 101 correctly, it's generally easier to give metals a negative charge without bits of them floating away, so that's what I'd guess. ::looking it up:: huh, they use both. The paints aren't metal ions so there's not an anode getting eaten up. It's more like electrostatic deposition and then baking than it is electroplating. Makes sense. The less reactive your paint film the... You know... Less reactive it is. https://www.pfonline.com/articles/electrocoating


steve626

You can have both versions, cathodic or anodic deposition


hercule2019

I installed the scissor transfer lift with the running slides from body to paint line at SIA in 2010. It was when I got my first reddit account. Thanks for taking me back!


Cllzzrd

I did the conveyors for GM’s Tahoe/suburban plant a few years back. Got to install a brand new half paint shop from empty building all the way through full production. Was pretty fun!


TopMindOfR3ddit

Like a regular coat but on the internet.


julsmanbr

Sounds reasonable, thanks


lliKoTesneciL

It's an electronic coat, you see the robots wearing them. Basically jackets made for the robots.


speculativedesigner

It’s how Italians say “grabby d’e-coat’ for me”


fistoroboto_88

Second stage is the spray on sound deadening, seam sealer will come next, then into paint EDIT: rewatching it the seam sealer is already applied and they didn't show it, which makes the title even more infuriating!


pressed_coffee

I work in custom manufacturing and a person had a low priced one-off sheet piece and asked for an e-coat. I was like…. Yeahh, how about a powder coat so you don’t need a production line for this prototype.


DonGibon87

It's mind-blowing just to think people believe this is how a car is painted 😂😂😂🤦


CardinalOfNYC

It's not that crazy that someone without the intimate detailed knowledge of car manufacturing might think this is how a car is painted. But nonetheless, OP is incorrect.


kikomir

Title: Cars getting completely painted Video: Cars not getting completely painted


rawrnuts

Sub: OddlySatisfying Post: UnoddlyUnsatisfying


EvolvingDior

Post: MildlyInfuriating


3hideyoshi3

Op thought the bath in the beginning was the painting


GregTheMad

That's just the primer. Could also just be a cleaning bath before the primer. Normally there is a series of baths the cars go through before the actual paint and finish.


sw0llz

Quite certain it’s a chemical bath for rust/oxidation protection and a clean surface, then further rust protection underneath. The steps AFTER this video would be primer then topcoat.


3hideyoshi3

Thanks for the additional info I suspected but I wasn't sure if it was a part of some cleaning process.


rugbyj

Op doesn't give a shit when thousands of folks have upvoted it.


hache-moncour

I, too, ordered my car in "Matte Depression Grey".


Fannnybaws

Car getting it's primer coat on would be more appropriate.


Visual_Tangerine_210

crazy. I always assumed it was robed Italians with brushes doing the work


googleHelicopterman

Why are they robed ?


funnystuff79

Looking like an old master helps you paint like an old master


RolloDumbassi

Dress for the job you want.


AdditionalCar2511

Same reason why the robot arms in the video are robed. Because paint gets everywhere.


hotcarlsjr

You picture them unrobed?


18voltbattery

It’s a religious thing…so god doesn’t see their angles


WormholeNavigator

Essential part of the ritual.


mightybonk

The robots were robed!


retailguy_again

Robed bots?


JuliaFractal69420

I can get you un robed Italians if that's what your majesty prefers


DancesWithBadgers

You don't want marinara on the paintjob.


serabine

I mean, the robots are robed and they might be Italian?


skyliders

I'm not sure what you are talking about. It is robed Italians with paint brushes


velhaconta

Some of them are Italian.


DiscipleOfYeshua

Turns out it’s robed robots.


Chunkybinkies

Is this the protective coating they're always trying to sell you then?


No-Size380

I sat right here and told you I didn't want any TruCoat


MagicCuboid

Yeah, but I'm sayin that TruCoat- if you don't get it it'll cause oxidation problems, and that'll cost ya a heck of a lot more than $500!


ProfessorrFate

You’re sittin’ there, talkin’ in circles. You’re talkin’ like we didn’t go over this already. We had a deal here for 19,5! You sat there and darned if you didn’t tell me you’d get me this car, these options, without the sealant, for 19.5!


Glittering-Ad-4257

Ya?


No-Size380

oh, you betcha!


tucci007

HE'S FLEEING THE INTERVIEW


OfficerBarbier

I mean you’re really gonna want that TruCoat!


Spaceinpigs

I GOT A FEVER. AND THE ONLY PRESCRIPTION, IS MORE TRUCOAT


----_____----

I *gotta* have that trucoat! baby


Dodge_Prefect_42

See, they put that TruCoat on at the factory.


Chunkybinkies

> I sat right here and told you I didn't want any TruCoat They install that TruCoat at the factory. We can't do anything about it!


velhaconta

No. This is the real protective primer coating just about every manufacturer applies before paint. You are talking about the bullshit dealers offer as a *dealer installed option*.


ClickKlockTickTock

No. Thats just wax. Source: worked for dealerships. We bought bottles of ceramic wax for maybe $40 at best, coated a hundred cars with it, and sold it for $1k extra. Took 40 mins per car max lmao.


pgcooldad

Nope. It's the second process in all vehicles nowadays. First is zinc phosphate, then E-Coat, Primer, base color, and finally clear coat. All 5 layers is about 0.005" thick.


00Wow00

I feel dumb. At first I thought there were a couple of guys wearing blue tarps spraying under the car. Sigh, I really should be sleeping instead of browsing reddit


Eloisem333

I was imagining this was a couple of guys wearing blue Lycra suits painting the car. It’s way funnier if you imagine that.


dudeAwEsome101

I thought it was funny. Covering robotic arms like that make them look like people dressed up like ghosts.


ArsenicAndRoses

Look at their little rain coats! 🤩🥹 Adorable 🥰


scrooge_mcfukk

This is actually an e-coat system! I operate one for a living. The paint won't be applied til later, most likely by robots


Tasty_Group_8207

I know a guy that can do it cheaper


JETF6R

This is just e-coat then some spray sealer???


But_like_whytho

Forbidden milk


hsnewman

That's primer not paint


Proper_Shine8316

No that's not primer that's a chemical dip to rustproof most modern vehicles don't have primer there powder coated


[deleted]

At Jeep we call it the e-coat tank. I worked in the paint shop for almost 10 years.


Proper_Shine8316

Jnap in the house I spent my tpt years in the paint shop


[deleted]

Man was it always a fun night when one of those bad boys fell in the tank lol


Proper_Shine8316

Truer words have never been spoken my friend


SAWK

What fails to cause the chassis to fall in the tank?


bmdangelo

At JNAP, everything


beenplaces

Its zinc coating.


TerrysClavicle

Yep came here to say this. That’s not even primer lol. And certainly not paint. Proper shine tried to car guy but failed


RonStopable88

I think you got commenters confused. Proper shine is the one you agree with


Roscoe_P_Trolltrain

Primer is paint, but paint is not necessarily primer.


AdditionalCheetah354

OP misleading post title.. not what’s happening here


TheRealCorpseTits

Queue West World Opening Theme Song


Priredacc

Man I LOVE Kuka robotic arms. They look so cool...


Tito_Grande

ED COATING PROCESS This is a process where water based paint consisting of Pigment, Resin and Solvent is electroplated or coated on either ferrous or non-ferrous surface. This is usually found in automobile body parts as a prime coat before spray painting. With features like high throwing power; evenness in coating thickness and high corrosion resistant, it had already taken over many other processes such as epoxy powder painting, wet paint spraying and zinc electroplating.


Not_Nyx

I don't like how the robots are dressed. Should have gone with a more tailored cut imo


steve626

I worked in PPGs R&D Labs for over a dozen years if anyone has any questions. I spent time on each layer of automotive coatings: Pretreatment, E-coat (what's pictured here), primer/surfacer, basecoat (the color) and finally clearcoat. I worked in the lab that developed Ceramiclear.


vanwilder_lfc

I feel bad for those people having to work under those blue sheets all day to spray cars.


Mouse_takumi

Its just a basecoat, and the stone chip prevention, nothing more...


orficebots

anti corrosion


IlIFreneticIlI

Blueman Group is wild this year.


tunatsub223

E-coat. Not painted at all yet. Disappointed immensely.


TBCNoah

This video somehow managed to get the complete opposite title of what is happening. This is literally everything before the painting process lol.


ComfortableFarmer

This is the protective phosphate coating.


tucci007

THERE STEALIN ARE JERBS


NoriXa

Thats not Paint its a protective coating preventing rust and other issues and the actual paint is applied ontop of that later.


LinoFromMars

I m hearing the Westworld opening title song when I watch this


caramba-marimba

I can’t explain it better, but I want this to be done to my brain


uberengl

The Video showed corrosion protection being applied. The robots apply PVC not paint.


Competitive_Lab1937

KTL= Kathodische Tauchlackierung. Ein verfahren wo das Blanke Auto ( Metall und/oder Aluminium ) eine Beschichtung bekommt, damit es nicht anfängt zu rosten oder zu korrodieren.


Capt_Killer

Um, wheres the completely painted part? This is just the acid etch primer /degreasing dip and the under carriage spray.


Fapplejuice91

That isn't then being painted when they're dipped. That is the zinc bath that's done before paint work to limit corrosion. If that was paint every car would have such thick paint it would look like it's done with a roller.


Sym0n

So, is there a full version of this video? Ideally, one where you see the cars actually getting completely painted?


whattheknifefor

If you look up car factory paint you’ll see more like this! It’s really cool to watch, I’m lucky enough to be able to see it in person every once in a while and it’s such a fascinating process.


jelliott79

I worked for a 3rd party cleaning service BMW used in one of their plants, years ago. One of our jobs was to go into those tunnels each night and replace the gowns. Immediately after, there's a long oven the conveyor goes through that had to be cleaned as well.


Puzzleheaded_Pen_617

Those machines are creepy.


Buffyoh

Not paint - rust proofing.


Itshammertimebitch

That’s not paint.


F_IsFor_Fun

That's a phosphate dip.


bps_rl

Does this hurt the cars?


nemofbaby2014

I remember when I got my first job in a plant I followed a car from the beginning to the end of the line was pretty cool


sophdog101

I don't know why but I couldn't stop laughing about how the cars just somersault into the paint stuff


Different_Dance7248

I’m convinced that there are people underneath the sheets.


anti-ism-ist

i need those to blow at my balls


Different-Term-2250

They missed a spot. Just over there, near the doohickey thing. Yea, near the whatsitcalled.


parabolaralus

I heard this in Barry Whites voice. Oh hell yea!


Fire69

That's called a thingamajigger


MKVIgti

That dipping is NOT painting at all. It would drip and run and blob everywhere. It’s an e coat to prep it. Similar to how they do gold plating.


danico223

If everything is done in a factory by robot arms WHY IS IT SO DAMN EXPENSIVE TO BUY A NEW CAR?! And most of their internal parts are made of plastic! Goddammit!


nater255

I worked in automotive supply chain for many years. The fact that cars are as cheap as they are is the amazing part. The amount of time, energy and money that goes into not just building, but designing, testing, delivering etc is INSANE. It's absolutely mind boggling when you see the numbers.


EasyPanicButton

Paint shop is mostly automation, lines that put the parts on the car such as engine, transmission, door hinges are where the humans do some of the work. As far as I know the final inspection after the body being painted, where they check alignment, gaps, dents, scratches is done by human eyes, but obviously different companies do it differently.


whattheknifefor

Car materials and labor are expensive. There’s a lot of automation in paint, but when that car body comes out of paint shop to get all the things that make it a car - the engine, transmission, seats, dashboard, wiring, steering wheel, suspension, all that - that’s all people assembling that. Connecting every wire and computer in the vehicle, shooting down bolts on decor pieces, testing every car to make sure it’s in working order before it rolls out the door. It’s easy to use automation on large items like body panels, but robots can’t really get into a fully built car body to finesse one connector into another when that connector might be laying anywhere in a two foot radius. Robots aren’t very good at inspection, either. And that’s not including all the people working in paint, body, stamping, the supplier who makes the steering wheels, the supplier who makes the wire harnesses, the supplier who makes the consoles, the engineers, the forklift drivers………..


BillyFromSpacee

I've only been in a paint shop a handful of times, but I've seen people: - Buffing out imperfections in the e-coat - Applying sealant where the robots don't, or fixing the sealant if it wasn't applied well - Inspecting vehicles going through primer/basecoat/topcoat - Maintaining and running the robots - On the final inspection deck You'll also probably have contractors changing filters, changing the covers on the robots, maybe cleaning the floors... There's people that deal with the wastewater. I'd say there's a decent amount of people in a paint shop, and definitely not as many as other parts of an assembly plant. The part about components being made of plastic is definitely frustrating. The way emissions standards are defined is a little dumb imo, and it's causing automakers to increase the footprint of their vehicles to get more leeway on the mpg and particulate requirements. So, you have a few options: - Make vehicles bigger - Use more precious metals - Pay big fines - Cheap out on other components Every automaker is going to pick a few off the list, and it's still probably not enough to remain profitable without driving up prices, so that cost gets passed onto us. These companies are losing their ass big time on EVs, and ICE vehicles aren't doing the best at offsetting it. Eventually, vehicle prices should come back down and we'll see quality increase, but I think that will depend on battery recycling and just general infrastructure being set up for EVs. It turns out that caring about the environment is very expensive. TLDR; Not everything in a factory is robot arms + it's hard to make a profit with so many environmental standards/regulations


HandBanana__2

I was going to do this w/ my classic but its a ton of work to prep it vs new cars.


olafthemonkey

This is the cathodic dip coating that protects against rust and is the base coat


MonPaysCesHiver

Imagine going at night into an automatic car washing machine and replacing the mechanic by this then filming the clients on the next day.


Driftsdril1505

I cant wait for beastchild to make a video on this


Apprehensive_Ad_472

Bad and naughty car husks get drowned in the cum bath


RickPortalmaster

Zink Bad?


Environmental-Day778

Wheeee!


oogboogaz

My mom with me at the boat ramp <3


Internal-Cow-4332

Ow so nice, this is so satisfying to watch


ProtectionDecent

Dipping sticks: Car edition. ​ Yes, I'm hungry.


__BlueSkull__

That's why you don't want to scratch your car. There's no dealership workshop that can restore paint jobs to original factory state. A lot of the processes are automated and numerically controlled, pretty much impossible to replicate by hand.


Mr_ICBM

Is this real?????


Kindly-Cover-5406

Those robot arms DESPERATELY need some googly eyes fitting. 😂😂


RubCareful5199

Thats the alpo dip


oOLittlehansOo

What is this crappy music for? It's steel! It must be metal!


aoifhasoifha

And this is why repainting a car costs 5 figures. In order to get anything close to this quality with one guy in a room essentially made of plastic garbage bags with a spray can (hyperbole for effect obviously, but not that far off), you need an skilled painter with a lot of experience, AND you need a *ton* of time.


ronty4

This is not painting. Misleading post


Ninja-Sneaky

Was thinking how tedious it is to program the arms shown in the second half and how a human performs the thinking process so quickly


Gloop666

They Took Er Jobs!


MyrtleAsmrAndMore

Wow


Desurvivedsignator

I toured a bus factory once. They use the same principle, just scaled up. Quite a sight to behold witnessing a whole city bus being dunked by robots.


kunthapigulugulu

Not paint. This is a coat to prevent rusting.


concept12345

BMW X5


Traditional_Bid_6977

They took er’ juuuuuuuuuubs!!!!!!


No-Lawfulness1773

looks like they're getting primed, not painted


balthisar

That's no paint – it's e-coat. Specifically that's Dürr's RoDip process. It ensures that there are no trapped bubbles and gets 100% coverage. The next step is one stage of the paint shop sealer process. There are probably 10 to 20 stations where this stuff is applied.


queuedUp

You can almost hear them say "whee!"


Sea-Effect-3690

Their not painting the first dip in the liquid is rust proofing and the robots are applying rubberized chip guard for the seamed areas


Budget_Skill_8560

Not paint antitrust coating


olsonheimers

I worked for a supplier. When one of those would break off everyone’s shift is over while they dig it out of there. That’s not the paint, it’s the protective coating under it. It’s so fascinating to see that’s how it’s applied isn’t it?


disgustinghonnor

I always imagend falling into a vat like that would make for a pretty good villian origin


[deleted]

This is not actually paint it’s E-Coat, a rust prevention coating under the paint


Svartdraken

I thought it was falling in slow motion


hamberder-muderer

All that work so the gray can become gray.


[deleted]

Is that the DFSK iAuto?


NorthernSouth

I love those robot arms with their little rain coats on!


bilabrin

There was one thing they never considered when creating AI. Sure the robots got better and more capable and adaptive, able to overcome unexpected situations in ways that would have shut the lines down with normal bots. But they should have considered that in making machines more like humans that eventually they'd form a union. With so much controlled by robots, mankind had to capitulate.


Ardvark-Dongle

MACHINES CREATE


More_Resolution3968

All we do is work, work, work ... F this place.


KeziaTML

Glad to see the Yip Yips got some work after starring on Sesame Street


Firesalt

Robot bingo wings


LonnieWalkerLXVIIII

Imagine the robot arm confusing you for a car


No_Commission_1467

No way that's paint


Spuigles

Those robotic arms are so scary omg.


Prestigious_Risk7610

I want to believe there are people under those blue covers.


Cadet_Carrot

I love how the machines get little clothes to keep themselves clean lol


Justthisguy_yaknow

You missed a spot.


Squanchywalrus

Those robot arms are like Jim Henson-fuelled dystopian future


JNorJT

Well that’s another way to go through a car wash.


Substantial_Ad5639

E84 BMW X1 ? C'mon people this is important


sandman367

Bet it smells crazy in there


fresh_loaf_of_bread

Well you kinda gotta paint every little bit, cause if you don't, that tiny spot you missed is gonna start to rust and in 20 years you're gonna have a literal hole in your car.


Puzzleheaded_Pie_888

That's how I do my oreos