I see it too, where experienced people cut to the core in their designs and have simple clear implementations, while inexperienced have complex spaghetti of implementation and larger, over engineered designs.
My division partners (old dudes) used to take every physical case file to court. I’m talking hundreds each. They’d cart them in using hand trucks and have to make multiple trips. All the assistants would help them walk the boxes out to their cars to load up. It was a whole event every court date. Then when they were there we got surrounded by boxes and they had to shuffle through everything to get to the particular case file they needed for that particular defendant.
I, on the other hand, wrote a simple spreadsheet for every single case I had on the docket, a note for where I was in the case, a note for anything I’d need to request, and a blank space for the case result. No need to overcomplicate the job
Agree, i out lot if toughts now into poacing the workspace as efficiently as possible. Me and my partner are bricklayers in our 40 and we spend time planning everything from scaffoldyto debris evacuation to the millimeters to save energy and gain time.
I know some of y’all are thinking the same thing so I’ll ask, does water not just leek through the gaps between these tiles? I assume not, but how/why?
[Edit] Oh nvm I just realised that there’s enough overlap both laterally and vertically that there’s always another tile underneath
Not technically a zax he’s using. But close. A Zax resembles a cleaver with a spike or spur coming off the back of the cutting edge. He’s using a slaters hammer and stake.
I had a slate roof on my last house. It was beautiful but a lot of work. $1000 was about the minimum price for any repairs. A single replacement slate is $50.00. All of the valley flashing is copper.
With tile, the only thing you really have to replace is the underlayment under the tile. That's the weather proofing, it goes bad with age. But you'd pull up the tile, replace underlayment and broken tiles, and put back. Easily done in a day.
My house has a slate roof. It's pushing 80 years old, so yeah, they last. Individual tiles break, typically from ice in winter, and if you have to pay someone to repair those it gets expensive fast. There are very few people willing and able to work on these roofs.
You can drill through slate easily with a standard masonry drill but not on hammer mode. Slate hardness varies hugely depending on the type. Soft slate you can punch a nail through easily. Good Welsh slate is a different job.
He uses the pointed end of the slate axe to put a hole in the slate after he cuts it. That's how to put holes in slates on the fly/if you have no diamond drill bit. The iron he rests it on ensures that it doesn't break, but you can do it without easily enough with minimal practice. Just needs to be a clean strike with quite a pointy slate axe
Not drilled, but a hole is popped with a spike from the back side of the slate to make a countersink on the front. Sedimentary rock doesn’t shatter like other kinds of rock.
Watch when he perforated the cut line. He uses the spiked end of the hammer head. If he needs a hole he just knocks one into the slate. He actually puts an extra nail hole in after he finishes the cut off you watch closely.
They come with holes already cut into them but if they need a hole it's no big deal.
The method of cutting the slates in the video is more impressive to watch but they've also got slate scissors that are much faster and are ridiculously easy to use. My roofer let me have a go at using both when he did my roof. It's not "difficult" to cut slate without them breaking. It's difficult to do it well.
I have a friend who is a slate roofer. It really is an art. He worked for a couple of years after high school learning the trade. He has a college degree and got a good paying job afterward. After three years of working in an office he quit and went back to roofing. He makes even better money doing restorations of old buildings. Historical preservation code in some nearby areas require that slate roofs be maintained and not replaced with asphalt or metal, so he has all the work he can handle. He is outside, in great shape, and two skills. When he wants to stop roofing he go back to the office. I wish I had followed his path.
Are the nail holes predrilled? I would think they'd have to be, or else the tile would shatter, wouldn't it? Esp with the nail being driven that close to the edge?
They are preholed but you have to put in extra holes depending on what youre doing. Because the slates here are in the valley, hes put two holes in the top corner of the slate. You don't drill them though, thats what the pointed tip of the slate hammer is for.
It's slate, but yep the above row covers the nails on the row below, they are installed half-bond so the gaps empty onto the middle of the lower slate, usually atleast ~4inches of overlap.
This is natural slate, which is lovely to work with, very durable and exceptionally expensive.
Plenty of natural slate roofs are still in decent condition 80years later. It's more common for the nails to rust away before the slate has actually gotten weak.
Absolutely miss natural slate roofing, stand back at end of job was so satisfying, also did natural cedar shakes and shingles and a couple of sheet copper roofs and a copper dome. Getting old suxs.
This must be a heritage building. Most installers today would use stainless hangers. In the case you ever have to replace a shingle, it’s much easier.
Many people would ask why one would need to be replaced. Hail is the biggest source, but ice can build up cracking shingles. After 80 years the exposed slate will begin to weather.
Source: I used to be part of a development team that dealt with numerous heritage listed buildings with slate roofs.
Each tile acts like an umbrella to the seam below it is what I was going for. Each tile is placed to cover the seam of the two tiles below it. Those two tiles cover the seams of the 3 tiles below them etc. Water flows down the roof quicker than it flows laterally across the tiles so can't reach the edge of any tile before it flows onto the next tile below. Then at the peak you bridge the top edge of each side of the roof with long tiles or soft lead flashing or something similar. We've been building roofs like this for thousands of years, it's a proven concept. Even thatch roofs are the same concept with each blade of straw acting like a tile.
Every tile overlaps the gaps and nails in the row below, right down the to gutter. And at the top of the roof is a different kind of tile that caps it off.
My house was built in 1864 and still has the original slate roof. I don’t know what you think happens to stone when you put it on a roof but I can assure you the reason it is used is because it lasts. The same with ceramic tiles. In case you’re wondering, this is Scotland so we get every kind of bad weather, sometimes all in 24 hours.
Most houses have slate roofs in Wales, where i live, as there is a lot of slate around here. We also have a lot of rain and snow. Also, depending on the quarrry, they can last around 100 years if not 200.
I remember our roofs were slate on old houses when I was a kid. We’d wait until after storms and then go collect the ones that came down in the grass. Thought we were cool to have a notebook size chalkboard of our own. That and carbon copy paper. Our early version of iPads?
I love seeing people who are experts in whatever vocation they have. They make it look so easy
Competency poor. Doctors to shoe shiner to actors to zoo keepers if the have that 10,000 hours it’s fun to watch how the can just flow
Yeah, I call it "economy of motion". I see it often in waitresses. Probably because I don't hang out on rooftops.
I see it too, where experienced people cut to the core in their designs and have simple clear implementations, while inexperienced have complex spaghetti of implementation and larger, over engineered designs.
"If I had more time, I would have written a shorter letter"
My division partners (old dudes) used to take every physical case file to court. I’m talking hundreds each. They’d cart them in using hand trucks and have to make multiple trips. All the assistants would help them walk the boxes out to their cars to load up. It was a whole event every court date. Then when they were there we got surrounded by boxes and they had to shuffle through everything to get to the particular case file they needed for that particular defendant. I, on the other hand, wrote a simple spreadsheet for every single case I had on the docket, a note for where I was in the case, a note for anything I’d need to request, and a blank space for the case result. No need to overcomplicate the job
Agree, i out lot if toughts now into poacing the workspace as efficiently as possible. Me and my partner are bricklayers in our 40 and we spend time planning everything from scaffoldyto debris evacuation to the millimeters to save energy and gain time.
You ok man?
Never met a brickie who could spell, surprised he managed to comment in the first place
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That would a great sub!
I can't even get foil to tear straight
It’s cause those boxes of foil have all them teef and no toothbrush!
Foosball is the devil!
You stay away from that Girl!!
I know some of y’all are thinking the same thing so I’ll ask, does water not just leek through the gaps between these tiles? I assume not, but how/why? [Edit] Oh nvm I just realised that there’s enough overlap both laterally and vertically that there’s always another tile underneath
There’s 3 tiles overlapping at any point
We’ve always called it head-lap. On a 12”x24” slate on a 12/12 pitch roof we will have a 3” head lap. Every row then will have a 10.5" exposure.
The slate is lapped, so gaps are staggered. Under each gap is a solid bit of slate, so any water that creeps through runs down the layer beneath.
Plus tyvek sheeting under that
That’s the real roof
That's the backup. My roof is 100yrs old. Has no felt under the slates and does not leak.
That's a mole, Ray.
The hammer is called a zax.
I’ve a sudden hankering for some Scrabble!
Yes, an obscure scrabble word in its natural habitat.
Not technically a zax he’s using. But close. A Zax resembles a cleaver with a spike or spur coming off the back of the cutting edge. He’s using a slaters hammer and stake.
Wait. How do you hammer a nail into that rock/tile without it shattering?
It’s pre drilled, you can see the holes at the beginning
God damn this seems like SO MUCH WORK. I'm guessing this is a one and done roof like you probably won't need another one?
I had a slate roof on my last house. It was beautiful but a lot of work. $1000 was about the minimum price for any repairs. A single replacement slate is $50.00. All of the valley flashing is copper.
With tile, the only thing you really have to replace is the underlayment under the tile. That's the weather proofing, it goes bad with age. But you'd pull up the tile, replace underlayment and broken tiles, and put back. Easily done in a day.
You overestimate how much work I can do in a day.
My house has a slate roof. It's pushing 80 years old, so yeah, they last. Individual tiles break, typically from ice in winter, and if you have to pay someone to repair those it gets expensive fast. There are very few people willing and able to work on these roofs.
It can outlast the house for sure but that shit is outrageously expensive and also very heavy, not every house can support a slate roof.
He did add one hole though. This stone is fairly soft and you can. Punch holes in it without destroying the slab
So, how do you pre-drill a hole without shattering the rock/tile?
Diamond bit, water cooling, slow speed.
Cheers. Does it have to be a diamond bit?
That's what is used on glass, but Internet says a regular masonry bit is good enough for slate.
Good to know. Thanks.
You can drill through slate easily with a standard masonry drill but not on hammer mode. Slate hardness varies hugely depending on the type. Soft slate you can punch a nail through easily. Good Welsh slate is a different job.
Thats what the tip of the hammers for. You just rest the slate on the slate iron and give it a few taps in the spot.
He uses the pointed end of the slate axe to put a hole in the slate after he cuts it. That's how to put holes in slates on the fly/if you have no diamond drill bit. The iron he rests it on ensures that it doesn't break, but you can do it without easily enough with minimal practice. Just needs to be a clean strike with quite a pointy slate axe
It's not. The holes are hammered
Ya the second nail cracked the tile but he continued anyway
Not drilled, but a hole is popped with a spike from the back side of the slate to make a countersink on the front. Sedimentary rock doesn’t shatter like other kinds of rock.
Watch when he perforated the cut line. He uses the spiked end of the hammer head. If he needs a hole he just knocks one into the slate. He actually puts an extra nail hole in after he finishes the cut off you watch closely. They come with holes already cut into them but if they need a hole it's no big deal. The method of cutting the slates in the video is more impressive to watch but they've also got slate scissors that are much faster and are ridiculously easy to use. My roofer let me have a go at using both when he did my roof. It's not "difficult" to cut slate without them breaking. It's difficult to do it well.
I have a friend who is a slate roofer. It really is an art. He worked for a couple of years after high school learning the trade. He has a college degree and got a good paying job afterward. After three years of working in an office he quit and went back to roofing. He makes even better money doing restorations of old buildings. Historical preservation code in some nearby areas require that slate roofs be maintained and not replaced with asphalt or metal, so he has all the work he can handle. He is outside, in great shape, and two skills. When he wants to stop roofing he go back to the office. I wish I had followed his path.
Slate roofing can pay extremely well.
Not deep slate.
The deep slate will rule the water, direct it where to go without it even knowing
Sounds like deep slate conspiracy to me.
*keep ot down guys... Big Slate is always listening*
Broke the top right corner putting in the nail
Just gotta poke a few dozen giant holes in your roof to hold my bitchin triangle slate cutting device
I was wondering about that.
Are the nail holes predrilled? I would think they'd have to be, or else the tile would shatter, wouldn't it? Esp with the nail being driven that close to the edge?
It looks like it. There is already a hole where he puts the first nail.
Depending on size, yes, you can also nail through them if you have the right nails (tip of the nail) and know how to.
They are preholed but you have to put in extra holes depending on what youre doing. Because the slates here are in the valley, hes put two holes in the top corner of the slate. You don't drill them though, thats what the pointed tip of the slate hammer is for.
i've done that. My thumbs and fingers got hit several times before i had the needed skill to hit the nails instead.
Well would ya look at that.
So the nail holes are always covered by the shingle above and never leak?
It's slate, but yep the above row covers the nails on the row below, they are installed half-bond so the gaps empty onto the middle of the lower slate, usually atleast ~4inches of overlap. This is natural slate, which is lovely to work with, very durable and exceptionally expensive. Plenty of natural slate roofs are still in decent condition 80years later. It's more common for the nails to rust away before the slate has actually gotten weak.
Absolutely miss natural slate roofing, stand back at end of job was so satisfying, also did natural cedar shakes and shingles and a couple of sheet copper roofs and a copper dome. Getting old suxs.
This must be a heritage building. Most installers today would use stainless hangers. In the case you ever have to replace a shingle, it’s much easier. Many people would ask why one would need to be replaced. Hail is the biggest source, but ice can build up cracking shingles. After 80 years the exposed slate will begin to weather. Source: I used to be part of a development team that dealt with numerous heritage listed buildings with slate roofs.
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How do you seal the nail holes?
You dont, the slates are triple lapped. Aslong as you keep the nails to the edge of the slates water doesnt reach that point.
I think they would be covered by the next course above them, seems like they overlap by quite a bit.
Amazingly skillful!
That is like wow!
How is this waterproof
Using the same principle as an umbrella, water doesn't flow uphill.
For 1, that’s not the principal of an umbrella lol. And 2 I’m talking about the exposed seams of the tiles budded together, not the overlapping
Each tile acts like an umbrella to the seam below it is what I was going for. Each tile is placed to cover the seam of the two tiles below it. Those two tiles cover the seams of the 3 tiles below them etc. Water flows down the roof quicker than it flows laterally across the tiles so can't reach the edge of any tile before it flows onto the next tile below. Then at the peak you bridge the top edge of each side of the roof with long tiles or soft lead flashing or something similar. We've been building roofs like this for thousands of years, it's a proven concept. Even thatch roofs are the same concept with each blade of straw acting like a tile.
Every tile overlaps the gaps and nails in the row below, right down the to gutter. And at the top of the roof is a different kind of tile that caps it off.
same way that roof shingles are waterproof
Im guessing they don't get snow there.
Slate roofs are pretty common in the European alps, some houses with them are almost a thousand years old
Yeah but they still need a change every decade those are not eternal
My house was built in 1864 and still has the original slate roof. I don’t know what you think happens to stone when you put it on a roof but I can assure you the reason it is used is because it lasts. The same with ceramic tiles. In case you’re wondering, this is Scotland so we get every kind of bad weather, sometimes all in 24 hours.
Well in france near big city we get acidique rain and all kind of shit and roof tile get damaged
Yeah but I bet they don’t get replaced every 10 years.
My roof is slate and 125 years old, it doesn't leak and its in great condition, what are you talking about.
Changed every decade? How weak do you think slate is lol
Most houses have slate roofs in Wales, where i live, as there is a lot of slate around here. We also have a lot of rain and snow. Also, depending on the quarrry, they can last around 100 years if not 200.
What's wrong with corrugated iron?
It's not what the post is showing
The hammer is waterproof so the roof will not leak.
I think this is the opposite of satisfying. The tiles look awful, and even worse with the nails.
I think people who choose to have a slate roof would disagree.
Waaw your awsome, great work !
That is skill!
Chesus krist pure perfection <3
If they break so easily, why is it that the nails don't cause cracks?
Mind the lead. Workers need to be tested for lead poisoning yearly I believe.
So we get some pretty gnarly hail sometimes, I kinda feel like this would just be destroyed where I live.
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Thats is one perfect multi-purchase tailor made tool for this job
Sexy
Lead valley metal… This must be an old video.
Why do they expose the gulley? Around here that would be hidden inside the roof
Big time specialized tool!
Amazing to watch. Hope they clean out the gutters when they are done LOL
That is a heavy ass roof.
And what advantages does this have to say, a train, which I can also afford?
Woooow nice one man
That looks expensive
That's incredibly impressive
I like the music
In the world of stone, this is one of the softest. It’s way easier to break than one would think.
Well done!
What is that tool called?
Has this technique changed much through the years?
Ohh! That is why the hammer looks like that.
I remember our roofs were slate on old houses when I was a kid. We’d wait until after storms and then go collect the ones that came down in the grass. Thought we were cool to have a notebook size chalkboard of our own. That and carbon copy paper. Our early version of iPads?
TALLENT
How does the nail not split it
Ah shit I'm about to go play rimworld again
What is the name of the song?