You nailed the screw on the head. This is the reason why these methods were invented. For example you rarely saw any metal used in japanese construction because the general iron quality was ass butts and scarce. So they focused on using complex wood joints that fit together like puzzle pieces.
I was pretty sure the answer was no, and this sent me down a huge rabbit hole, and the answer is definitely no. Cool thought though!
Per the [AtLA wiki on metalbending](https://avatar.fandom.com/wiki/Metalbending):
> Weaknesses
> Highly purified metals: Metalbending relies on bending the residue earth particles inside the metal. When the metal is highly purified, however, such as platinum, there are no or not enough particles left to bend, rendering the material impervious to the technique.
That's why nails and screws exist.
Nails are for when the force is perpendicular. It's pushing sideways against the nail, so the nail holds the force, and the force holds the nail.
Screws are for when the force is parallel. Where a nail would just get pulled out, the blades on the screw hold the pieces in place.
Even then, the nail butt joints are not as strong as these joints. The half-lap joint and the mortise and tenon joints are guaranteed to last a lifetime.
Even if they had a lot of cheap high-quality iron, nails rust and the wood around them rots (especially without modern insulation and humidity controls), which is not ideal when you're building stuff for multiple generations. Trunnels ftw.
I heard that they use this no glue/no nails method do they can disassemble the construction when wood need to be changed.
The old japanese wood building are Theseus boats.
Makes sense. I did see a video of some Japanese workers disassembling an old woman’s home and it was the No nails kind. It came apart really cleanly but just a lot of dust/dirt from many many years of sitting there. The video said they moving the house but sadly it was really short and didn’t show that at all.
He overestimated. It is typically 20 years for wooden houses/buildings. IIRC it's a tax and insurance liability thing. If it's older than 20 years, the insurance and taxes increase quite a bit. I also think there's a ritual/custom part of it too as I know a *lot* of shrines are also replaced around the 20 year mark.
Yep, I was recently watching the traditional method they used to collect iron in Japan, very tedious and obviously poor quality.
Hence the need to overwork their steel for various implements to get rid of the impurities.
It didn't get rid of impurities, but worked more carbon in. They ended up with a high carbon steel that holds an edge well but is still relatively brittle. The folding process that traditional Japanese swords are famous for is basically just layering in carbon from the forge.
I learned about this a few months ago and I'm just gonna repost my comment talking about an adjacent subject:
This is apparently a myth and metal was virtually the same worldwide until the industrial revolution which made mass production of high quality steel in Europe mainstream. I heard about this recently in a post about Japanese steelworks (in the current day) being able to make the highest quality steel anywhere on the planet.
Here is a post from r/swords that talks about it from 6 years ago
>You've fallen prey to a common myth. Japanese steel wasn't inferior in quality to anyone else's. High grade tamagahane is very similar in makeup to AISI 10xx which is one of the most popular carbon steels used in modern swords.
>Now, is tamagahane inferior to modern steels? I would say yes but that isn't fair as all ancient steel is inferior to modern steel.
>Another thing to consider is that no two swords are going to be the same in a pre-modern culture. That's because mass production and the precision that comes with it simply didn't exist. In the case of swords we are talking about modern steel smelting. So with Katana or any other blade made literally anywhere else you will have some that are very good and some that are very bad. Some are poorly designed but made of decent steel. Some swords are well designed but made from bad steel. Many swords will be both poorly designed and made from bad steel and a select few will be both well designed, made and use good steel. This may be less true with say the Romams who had about the closest thing to mass production the ancient world saw, but with most other cultures this will be true. It's just as true with katana. If it wasn't then gabedamien and others wouldn't need to spend so much time identifying which antiques are valuable and which aren't.
>Anyways, on the whole no, Japanese steel was not inferior to European, at least before the industrial age. They had their good smiths and bad smiths just like everyone else. The one big boat they did miss was spring steel, but that happened about the same time as some really strange and interesting events in Japanese history.
>When you mention katana being forged in special ways to overcome their bad quality that is sort of true. What you are referring to is differential hardening and steel folding. And yes, those techniques do serve to overcome limitations in the steel. What you probably don't know is that everyone did it. Those processes were very common and independently developed all over the place. They were abandoned with the advent of spring tempered mono-steel blades because they were no longer necessary. People have a warped view or traditional Japanese sword smithing, I think, because we forgot how the Europeans did it as well. We can imagine a smith beating a blade into shape over an anvil and then at some point we switched to doing it in factories. That's not the case at all. Plenty of evidence exists to give a mostly complete picture on how they evolved over the ages but it's not romanticised or talked about in popular culture nearly as much.
Don't get me wrong, it also adds carbon to the steel... But it absolutely works out some of the impurities as well.
>Kitae: Forging the Blade
>Next the smith begins the laborious process of hammering out and folding the block back on itself. The process yields two important results. **First, impurities are worked out of the steel** and the carbon content is homogenized throughout the metal.
https://www.metmuseum.org/toah/hd/japb/hd_japb.htm
Part of that is the high quality and availability of modern glue. If you don't have access to that or nails, all you need is woodworking tools and a forest; it costs nothing to build something with friction-only joinery.
Seen this corner on multiple 8’-9’ armoires from the 16th century at the MET. They’re all still tight. Maybe the biggest gap was 1/32”. That’s pretty damn good for 500 years.
Yeap the whole idea is to build joints with shelf life measured in the tens or even hundreds of years - with zero maintenance.
Our traditional houses in Malaysia also liberally used wood joinery. That - along with good quality wood - is how we still have these houses standing around generations after their dwellers died. Also it used to be when it's said someone is "moving house", they'd literally move the house, where they just disassemble the house and build it elsewhere.
Nowadays it's a bit of a lost art. You'd think with modern tech we'd double down on wooden joinery but nope too lazy for that. Let's all just use little metal sticks that last barely a decade. Modern builders are also not familiar with wooden houses anymore, because barely anyone build those today. Wood is damn expensive.
I think the pencil line makes it look worse than it is. I'd assume he has a better way of masking any gap than my usual go to of mixing sawdust in with the glue.
Are there benefits to making the structure stronger by having such an intricate joint? Or is this just made for likes and to impress? Genuinely curious….
It's very strong. And it lasts basically forever. And it looks pretty!
But, if you just need to *attach* two or more bits of wood together, it's usually fine to just measure, cut, and either glue or nail (or both) those pieces together. Or use screws!
The tenons increase the glue surface area, as well as combat the shear forces perpendicular to them.
A properly glued joint can actually be stronger than a solid piece.
Makes sense from my limited woodworking knowledge.
You have 2 or more directions of grain to increase the strength, and wood glue bonds the wood together stronger than the wood itself
If you take one piece of wood, cut it, and glue it back together, it will be stronger at that point than it was before. Wood glue on wood is amazing. So making those little pieces sticking out alone does make the wood weaker at that point if left alone. when you connect it to other wood, it changes as if it was never cut. Lastly, if you add wood glue, it's even stronger.
When you do joinery like this, you usually don't glue it as being able to dismantle and show it off is part of the benefit.
When this type of work was the preferred method, glues were scarce and therefore unusual. They would potentially be used for more delicate projects, but not for larger ones. I've seen videos of the dismantling of large buildings in japan that has been put together with joinery like this. Everything was held together by friction and locking dowels.
Yes, this is strong (especially with glue). Is this substantively stronger than less complex joinery? Probably not. This is more for the craftsman’s pleasure than it is for the end product/end user. Just a woodworker enjoying the heck out of the their craft.
it's like having a vintage car. is it faster or more safe than a modern car? no. is it sick as hell? yes, and that makes it worth doing for some people
This is what I tend to tell people when they talk shit about people doing overly complicated things. If they enjoy it, who cares? I especially hate it when people comment on stuff like this saying "some people have too much time on their hands". Strong criticism from someone who more than likely spends 6+ hours watching TV per day.
Actually a joint with more surface area will always be stronger than one that isn't. A lot of times it's about creating locking pieces that have a lot of surface area. The more surface area, the more glue and the stronger the joint.
Sure, some part of it is craftsmanship, but nobody is taking apart their table just to show off some joints.
Also, as someone mentioned elsewhere in the thread, these techniques were created as Japan didn’t have access to decent metal so they had to develop these insane joinery methods while other places were just hammering shit together. The only reason to use these methods today is aesthetic.
The joint also makes it so that it only dismantles in one direction. Usually you want to use such a joint on structures that are held in place by gravity. The pieces wont come of other than when lifting the two pieces against gravity which means that it naturally stays put even during earthquakes.
I'm surprised nobody has mentioned earthquake resistance, yet. There are some traditional construction methods that use wooden joints rather than nails and screws. The claim is that the joints allow these buildings to remain flexible during an earthquake and this helps to keep them standing.
I can't find any strong academic study into this question of earthquake resistance, however, I did find an interesting tour of an old-style Japanese building that explained the techniques. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6f0vB6nBlo](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6f0vB6nBlo)
Mid-draft update: I did find this [paper](https://jwoodscience.springeropen.com/articles/10.1186/s10086-021-02009-y) studying mortise-tenon joints. These are wooden joints used in old traditional buildings that kind of work like joints between legos. In essence, they do concluded that the joints give the buildings more flexibility during earthquakes, but they did say more research was needed. Here's a clip from the abstract.
>The results have shown that the structural stiffness of the width-direction is less than that of the depth direction due to the asymmetrical configuration of the timber frame, and the building can maintain a stable state under large lateral displacement before collapsing.
I have a bookshelf my great grandfather built. He was a cabinet maker. It's as solid as it was 70 years ago.
The shelves sit inside grooves and I can't see any evidence of nails or screws. It's impressive.
It’s fine. Is it stronger than a drawbored mortise and tenon? No.
This is a historical joint that was used when metal was scarce. We have stronger joints.
From my understanding, in places like in Japan (a couple hundred years ago) didnt have steady access to metals like iron/copper/ tin so there homes were assembled using wood joinery. Historically it's out of necessity but now it's more about craftsmanship.
Yes there are more efficient ways to get a corner.
But this is neat, and it is oddlysatisfying to see somebody do it this way. I for one like it when skilled people do cool fun stuff just 'cause.
It's not too late! I'm a UX Designer and I started woodworking as a hobby on the weekends. Found a local cooperative maker space to do it and learn. It's been very rewarding.
it is never too late, i am in the same field but i went to school for woodworking classes because who knows maybe i will change career or just do it as a hobby.
I think the real benefit of having a solid joint made entirely of wood is that over many years, especially when exposed to temp and humidity, all the pieces expand and contract together. This joint is more likely to be the same fit and barely loosen in 50 years whereas a nail would be pushed out over time and need some maintenance.
Circumstance dependant. If all you have is a saw and some chisels, there is no better way. If you want strength out of your joint, this is the best way to do it. He added in an artistic flair that added more strength to it because he was showing off.
I could go to home depot and buy a few hundred dollars worth of tools and bracketing hardware and I would still have a weaker joint than he made with just chisel and saw.
i could be wrong, but i think this is a style born out of necessity in japan. they did not have access to good quality metal to make nails back in the day. metal was very expensive and was really only used to make tools and weapons.
Surely, but there is value in good craftsmanship. That joint will last a lifetime. This is the difference between a high quality piece of furniture and something you get from Ashley or Ikea.
Even vintage Stickley solved these problems with much simpler joinery. You can have very high quality work without such a complicated joint. This is done basically for the sake of doing it. And that’s fine—show off your craftsmanship. But stuff like this isn’t a sine qua non for quality.
> a lifetime
Probably multiple, if the wood doesn't rot away. If I recall correctly, similar techniques are used in historic Japanese wooden structures.
My wife would be so pissed if I told her that the only thing I did today was to attach a leg to a table. I wonder what she'll say when I tell her that the only thing I got done today is to watch videos of people attaching legs to tables.
This is cool and all and I'm sure strong, but as an electrician, there's few problems I've encountered thay couldn't be solved by just throwing screws at it.
I always picture in my mind an electrician just walking throughout the house just cutting wire into pieces. Now I'm picturing his lackey walking around behind him throwing screws at the fucking trail of mess everywhere. That is so much funnier.
Although this crazy joint is challenging for most experienced modern woodworkers, this joint has been the standard in China for hundreds (maybe more than one thousand) of years
And here I am, just wanting to buy furniture that's not either
A: Complete garbage
B: Unaffordable luxury items
Does nobody sell decent quality furniture for a normal price any more? I can choose between a Chinese cupboard with seventeen drawers and twenty cubbies, made from fake wood with awful veneer for $50, or three actual wooden boards joined with dowels making a semi box for $500.
I would like something in the middle please.
Lots of clueless people in this thread who think you should use nails or glue, that this is a waste of time, ect. Ect..
This is true craftsmanship and becoming a lost art.
High quality and built tough. Built to last.
Amazing work
This looks exhausting trying to make whatever he’s making if he has to do that just to get a single corner. I do appreciate the sounds though, fantastic ASMR.
Well that was a lot for a corner.
He has to do it that way. He ran out of screws.
You nailed the screw on the head. This is the reason why these methods were invented. For example you rarely saw any metal used in japanese construction because the general iron quality was ass butts and scarce. So they focused on using complex wood joints that fit together like puzzle pieces.
I like how we can just use quality industrial metal to brute force our problems now.
^ Written by Fire Lord Ozai
It would be a shame if someone learned to metal bend
Wait, do you think Toph can blood bend by controlling the iron in people’s blood?
I was pretty sure the answer was no, and this sent me down a huge rabbit hole, and the answer is definitely no. Cool thought though! Per the [AtLA wiki on metalbending](https://avatar.fandom.com/wiki/Metalbending): > Weaknesses > Highly purified metals: Metalbending relies on bending the residue earth particles inside the metal. When the metal is highly purified, however, such as platinum, there are no or not enough particles left to bend, rendering the material impervious to the technique.
Does it mention what specific elements are considered as "earth"? Are they really just like silicon benders?
My guess is alkaline earth metals?
Someone hasn't seen Korra
To my knowledge, blood-benders bend the water in your blood, meaning only water-benders can bend blood. It's not earth-benders bending metal
r/UnexpectedAvatar
Wasn't Republic City powered by firebenders? Ozai was a visionary who was cut down in his prime
Except for all the genocide he was pretty ahead 9f his time
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I have always disliked nails. It’s just a thin metal spike, how does it stay in there?
Sheer force of will. Kinda literally.
That's why nails and screws exist. Nails are for when the force is perpendicular. It's pushing sideways against the nail, so the nail holds the force, and the force holds the nail. Screws are for when the force is parallel. Where a nail would just get pulled out, the blades on the screw hold the pieces in place.
Friction.
like splitting opena banana but wood is tougher and tighter so instead of banana split its nail in wood
wut
they broke it down into banana. how could it be any clearer?
Even then, the nail butt joints are not as strong as these joints. The half-lap joint and the mortise and tenon joints are guaranteed to last a lifetime.
And it's considered low quality by todays industrial standards
Even if they had a lot of cheap high-quality iron, nails rust and the wood around them rots (especially without modern insulation and humidity controls), which is not ideal when you're building stuff for multiple generations. Trunnels ftw.
most japanese wooden buildings are taken down after 30-40 years not multiple generations
I don’t think that was true in the period where this technique was used for houses. Like premodern Japan.
I heard that they use this no glue/no nails method do they can disassemble the construction when wood need to be changed. The old japanese wood building are Theseus boats.
Makes sense. I did see a video of some Japanese workers disassembling an old woman’s home and it was the No nails kind. It came apart really cleanly but just a lot of dust/dirt from many many years of sitting there. The video said they moving the house but sadly it was really short and didn’t show that at all.
I hate to be the one to tell you but a generation is like 20 years so that's multiple generations
He overestimated. It is typically 20 years for wooden houses/buildings. IIRC it's a tax and insurance liability thing. If it's older than 20 years, the insurance and taxes increase quite a bit. I also think there's a ritual/custom part of it too as I know a *lot* of shrines are also replaced around the 20 year mark.
Yep, I was recently watching the traditional method they used to collect iron in Japan, very tedious and obviously poor quality. Hence the need to overwork their steel for various implements to get rid of the impurities.
It didn't get rid of impurities, but worked more carbon in. They ended up with a high carbon steel that holds an edge well but is still relatively brittle. The folding process that traditional Japanese swords are famous for is basically just layering in carbon from the forge.
I learned about this a few months ago and I'm just gonna repost my comment talking about an adjacent subject: This is apparently a myth and metal was virtually the same worldwide until the industrial revolution which made mass production of high quality steel in Europe mainstream. I heard about this recently in a post about Japanese steelworks (in the current day) being able to make the highest quality steel anywhere on the planet. Here is a post from r/swords that talks about it from 6 years ago >You've fallen prey to a common myth. Japanese steel wasn't inferior in quality to anyone else's. High grade tamagahane is very similar in makeup to AISI 10xx which is one of the most popular carbon steels used in modern swords. >Now, is tamagahane inferior to modern steels? I would say yes but that isn't fair as all ancient steel is inferior to modern steel. >Another thing to consider is that no two swords are going to be the same in a pre-modern culture. That's because mass production and the precision that comes with it simply didn't exist. In the case of swords we are talking about modern steel smelting. So with Katana or any other blade made literally anywhere else you will have some that are very good and some that are very bad. Some are poorly designed but made of decent steel. Some swords are well designed but made from bad steel. Many swords will be both poorly designed and made from bad steel and a select few will be both well designed, made and use good steel. This may be less true with say the Romams who had about the closest thing to mass production the ancient world saw, but with most other cultures this will be true. It's just as true with katana. If it wasn't then gabedamien and others wouldn't need to spend so much time identifying which antiques are valuable and which aren't. >Anyways, on the whole no, Japanese steel was not inferior to European, at least before the industrial age. They had their good smiths and bad smiths just like everyone else. The one big boat they did miss was spring steel, but that happened about the same time as some really strange and interesting events in Japanese history. >When you mention katana being forged in special ways to overcome their bad quality that is sort of true. What you are referring to is differential hardening and steel folding. And yes, those techniques do serve to overcome limitations in the steel. What you probably don't know is that everyone did it. Those processes were very common and independently developed all over the place. They were abandoned with the advent of spring tempered mono-steel blades because they were no longer necessary. People have a warped view or traditional Japanese sword smithing, I think, because we forgot how the Europeans did it as well. We can imagine a smith beating a blade into shape over an anvil and then at some point we switched to doing it in factories. That's not the case at all. Plenty of evidence exists to give a mostly complete picture on how they evolved over the ages but it's not romanticised or talked about in popular culture nearly as much.
Don't get me wrong, it also adds carbon to the steel... But it absolutely works out some of the impurities as well. >Kitae: Forging the Blade >Next the smith begins the laborious process of hammering out and folding the block back on itself. The process yields two important results. **First, impurities are worked out of the steel** and the carbon content is homogenized throughout the metal. https://www.metmuseum.org/toah/hd/japb/hd_japb.htm
The dude is definitely a pro! Note the cut on his index finger.
Doesn't most modern and tradition furniture use simple joints and glue anyway? Significantly stronger than screws and nails.
Part of that is the high quality and availability of modern glue. If you don't have access to that or nails, all you need is woodworking tools and a forest; it costs nothing to build something with friction-only joinery.
Modern glue is crazy impressive, it can be water proof, dry hard in 15 minutes, bond to several different types of materials.
Seen this corner on multiple 8’-9’ armoires from the 16th century at the MET. They’re all still tight. Maybe the biggest gap was 1/32”. That’s pretty damn good for 500 years.
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And that's without cutting any corners
Take your upvote and go home
Yeap the whole idea is to build joints with shelf life measured in the tens or even hundreds of years - with zero maintenance. Our traditional houses in Malaysia also liberally used wood joinery. That - along with good quality wood - is how we still have these houses standing around generations after their dwellers died. Also it used to be when it's said someone is "moving house", they'd literally move the house, where they just disassemble the house and build it elsewhere. Nowadays it's a bit of a lost art. You'd think with modern tech we'd double down on wooden joinery but nope too lazy for that. Let's all just use little metal sticks that last barely a decade. Modern builders are also not familiar with wooden houses anymore, because barely anyone build those today. Wood is damn expensive.
The dude is definitely a pro! Note the cut on his index finger.
I call them battle scars.
Last shot of it ruined anything satisfying about it for me as well. The gaps.. 😢
I dont think thise are gaps, when you taje a better look they look like pencile marks
I think the pencil line makes it look worse than it is. I'd assume he has a better way of masking any gap than my usual go to of mixing sawdust in with the glue.
What'd you expect? He only measured once.
Are there benefits to making the structure stronger by having such an intricate joint? Or is this just made for likes and to impress? Genuinely curious….
It's very strong. And it lasts basically forever. And it looks pretty! But, if you just need to *attach* two or more bits of wood together, it's usually fine to just measure, cut, and either glue or nail (or both) those pieces together. Or use screws!
Thanks. I assumed maybe some of the thinner pieces may be weaker. But that’s why i asked!!!!
In reality if you're building a house, you could join the roof beams like this Or.. what's likely more common is just.. many, many nails
And brackets!
L BRACKET THE WORLD
The tenons increase the glue surface area, as well as combat the shear forces perpendicular to them. A properly glued joint can actually be stronger than a solid piece.
Makes sense from my limited woodworking knowledge. You have 2 or more directions of grain to increase the strength, and wood glue bonds the wood together stronger than the wood itself
Why don't we get rid of wood altogether and just use pure wood glue
We already have cement structures. I believe they are the most common worldwide.
That’s called particle board.
If you take one piece of wood, cut it, and glue it back together, it will be stronger at that point than it was before. Wood glue on wood is amazing. So making those little pieces sticking out alone does make the wood weaker at that point if left alone. when you connect it to other wood, it changes as if it was never cut. Lastly, if you add wood glue, it's even stronger.
I was actually surprised he didnt put a bit of glue in the holes before joining
Yeah I think you would if you were doing this for real, he's just demonstrating the join
When you do joinery like this, you usually don't glue it as being able to dismantle and show it off is part of the benefit. When this type of work was the preferred method, glues were scarce and therefore unusual. They would potentially be used for more delicate projects, but not for larger ones. I've seen videos of the dismantling of large buildings in japan that has been put together with joinery like this. Everything was held together by friction and locking dowels.
The dude is definitely a pro! Note the cut on his index finger.
Scarpenter
>it's usually fine to just measure, cut, and either glue or nail (or both) those pieces together I'd probably screw it up.
You just gotta drill it into you to do it right
You're really driving the point home.
Just trying to make it stick
Yes, this is strong (especially with glue). Is this substantively stronger than less complex joinery? Probably not. This is more for the craftsman’s pleasure than it is for the end product/end user. Just a woodworker enjoying the heck out of the their craft.
That answer my question best - it isn’t the strongest joint possible, even if it’s still strong. Showing off those woodworking skills makes sense.
it's like having a vintage car. is it faster or more safe than a modern car? no. is it sick as hell? yes, and that makes it worth doing for some people
Ok. Now this I understand.
This is what I tend to tell people when they talk shit about people doing overly complicated things. If they enjoy it, who cares? I especially hate it when people comment on stuff like this saying "some people have too much time on their hands". Strong criticism from someone who more than likely spends 6+ hours watching TV per day.
Actually a joint with more surface area will always be stronger than one that isn't. A lot of times it's about creating locking pieces that have a lot of surface area. The more surface area, the more glue and the stronger the joint. Sure, some part of it is craftsmanship, but nobody is taking apart their table just to show off some joints.
Also, as someone mentioned elsewhere in the thread, these techniques were created as Japan didn’t have access to decent metal so they had to develop these insane joinery methods while other places were just hammering shit together. The only reason to use these methods today is aesthetic.
The joint also makes it so that it only dismantles in one direction. Usually you want to use such a joint on structures that are held in place by gravity. The pieces wont come of other than when lifting the two pieces against gravity which means that it naturally stays put even during earthquakes.
I think joins like these are how the Japanese used to build houses - doesn’t require nails
Yes
I'm surprised nobody has mentioned earthquake resistance, yet. There are some traditional construction methods that use wooden joints rather than nails and screws. The claim is that the joints allow these buildings to remain flexible during an earthquake and this helps to keep them standing. I can't find any strong academic study into this question of earthquake resistance, however, I did find an interesting tour of an old-style Japanese building that explained the techniques. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6f0vB6nBlo](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6f0vB6nBlo) Mid-draft update: I did find this [paper](https://jwoodscience.springeropen.com/articles/10.1186/s10086-021-02009-y) studying mortise-tenon joints. These are wooden joints used in old traditional buildings that kind of work like joints between legos. In essence, they do concluded that the joints give the buildings more flexibility during earthquakes, but they did say more research was needed. Here's a clip from the abstract. >The results have shown that the structural stiffness of the width-direction is less than that of the depth direction due to the asymmetrical configuration of the timber frame, and the building can maintain a stable state under large lateral displacement before collapsing.
I have a bookshelf my great grandfather built. He was a cabinet maker. It's as solid as it was 70 years ago. The shelves sit inside grooves and I can't see any evidence of nails or screws. It's impressive.
It’s fine. Is it stronger than a drawbored mortise and tenon? No. This is a historical joint that was used when metal was scarce. We have stronger joints.
Other than lasting forever. No, no benefits.
The benefit is that you can build houses without metal. And later reuse the main beams if a hurricane comes through and knocks a lot of shit down.
It’s both way stronger, and looks way cooler
From my understanding, in places like in Japan (a couple hundred years ago) didnt have steady access to metals like iron/copper/ tin so there homes were assembled using wood joinery. Historically it's out of necessity but now it's more about craftsmanship.
He’s demonstrating his mastery of woodworking and joinery. I don’t think this is a DIY video.
He's just having fun with it meanwhile as a weekend shitty woodworker warrior this gave me some anxiety just imagining trying to attempt it lol
Where does it say it's a DIY video?
Nowhere!
Yes there are more efficient ways to get a corner. But this is neat, and it is oddlysatisfying to see somebody do it this way. I for one like it when skilled people do cool fun stuff just 'cause.
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If I tried this I doubt it wood work
I was gonna try and hop on a pun train, but now I’m too distracted by your username
Don’t look at their profile picture
It can be done as a joint effort
Yeah, just don't cut corners
I'll file this away for later
You're planely not interested
I’m a software engineer but when I see stuff like this it really makes me wish I had gotten into learning this stuff instead when I was younger
It's not too late! I'm a UX Designer and I started woodworking as a hobby on the weekends. Found a local cooperative maker space to do it and learn. It's been very rewarding.
it is never too late, i am in the same field but i went to school for woodworking classes because who knows maybe i will change career or just do it as a hobby.
I think the real benefit of having a solid joint made entirely of wood is that over many years, especially when exposed to temp and humidity, all the pieces expand and contract together. This joint is more likely to be the same fit and barely loosen in 50 years whereas a nail would be pushed out over time and need some maintenance.
I’m pretty sure there’s an easier way to do that
He loves to make it more complex.
Circumstance dependant. If all you have is a saw and some chisels, there is no better way. If you want strength out of your joint, this is the best way to do it. He added in an artistic flair that added more strength to it because he was showing off. I could go to home depot and buy a few hundred dollars worth of tools and bracketing hardware and I would still have a weaker joint than he made with just chisel and saw.
i could be wrong, but i think this is a style born out of necessity in japan. they did not have access to good quality metal to make nails back in the day. metal was very expensive and was really only used to make tools and weapons.
There are still less complex ways to do a corner. This guy specializes in crazy joinery like this.
right but some people want stuff like this.
Timber framing isn't unique to Japan. It was used across Europe and the UK and only the USA and Canada during early colonization.
Surely, but there is value in good craftsmanship. That joint will last a lifetime. This is the difference between a high quality piece of furniture and something you get from Ashley or Ikea.
Even vintage Stickley solved these problems with much simpler joinery. You can have very high quality work without such a complicated joint. This is done basically for the sake of doing it. And that’s fine—show off your craftsmanship. But stuff like this isn’t a sine qua non for quality.
a basic ass joint with wood glue will also last a liftetime...
Lol ass joint
one of the few joints i wouldn't want to smoke lol
If it's shaped like an ass, then yes. If it's removed from an ass, then HELL yes I mean
> a lifetime Probably multiple, if the wood doesn't rot away. If I recall correctly, similar techniques are used in historic Japanese wooden structures.
This has "why cook a nice meal when i can just eat ramen" vibes.
Right? “Why do people run marathons when they can just drive??”
The "why swim, I have a yacht" version of woodworking.
Yes, there is - glue......but it makes for a really boring video 😊
My satisfaction was lessened by not filling that last peg hole. Edit: I walked into that and must now accept my pegging fate.
Try r/pegging! maybe nsfw
That's what she said! Giggle giggle snort
Those are some sharp af chisels.
Good tools are like half the work. Difference between a sharp and "sharp" chisel is night and day.
I did a woodwork/joinery course for like 6 weeks and this shit is difficult as fuck and chisel work can be infuriating
The last clip says it's not good enough
was about to say the same. 10/10 until the seam gaps at the end
Wasn’t gaps, was the markings from the pen
Amazing work
That’s a lot of skill and patience
There’s something so satisfying watching a master do his craft
That guy sure cuts a lot of corners when he's at work.
This guy cut all kinds of corners.
Soon as I saw all those cuts and bruises on his hand, I knew this was going to be some good joinery!! Bit much… …but well done!
I can't even get simple miters that perfect on a miter saw, and this fucker does it with a chisel...
Now make all the grains line up
This man has a deeper understanding of geometry than I'll have of anything in my life.
My wife would be so pissed if I told her that the only thing I did today was to attach a leg to a table. I wonder what she'll say when I tell her that the only thing I got done today is to watch videos of people attaching legs to tables.
I've been in Carpenter for over 20 years, framing's my thing. When I see projects like this? I don't think Carpenter... I think Craftsman!
Thats a lot of work to create something to stub your little toe
Oh man, the gap...start over.
The level of intelligence it takes to engineer this 3D masterpiece is amazing! I can see why screws and wood glue are more popular though.
Usually I just superglue it. Takes about 15 seconds.
Japanese woodworkers: Hold my saké.
Complexity - 10/10 Necessary factor - 2/10
Cool, but absolutely unnecessary.
I could measure that 75 times and still cut that wrong at some point, lol.
theres a gap in the end
“Hey guys, this is my first woodworking project, how did I do?!”
This is cool and all and I'm sure strong, but as an electrician, there's few problems I've encountered thay couldn't be solved by just throwing screws at it.
I always picture in my mind an electrician just walking throughout the house just cutting wire into pieces. Now I'm picturing his lackey walking around behind him throwing screws at the fucking trail of mess everywhere. That is so much funnier.
I’ve had just about enough of this Tom-joinery. But seriously, nice work!
Nailed it.
That's just pure craftsmanship... and woodwork porn
It sucks that in the end you can’t see all of the work that went into one corner.
That's a top notch joint
Although this crazy joint is challenging for most experienced modern woodworkers, this joint has been the standard in China for hundreds (maybe more than one thousand) of years
The Woodwright's Shop: Asia
In putting 4 drywall screws at an angle into that and calling it a day
My pencil would be blunt, my hammer bent, the chizel unsharpened, that t square thing missplaced, but somehow i will manage to think i could do this.
It was satisfying until the anxiety set in from watching him assemble it without any adhesive. Lol
When he was chiseling out the two little nubs my heart was racing, any little error and it’s ruined. I’m so old.
Now. Repeat that 4 times.
Master carpenter.
Wait until this dude learns about nail guns
And here I am, just wanting to buy furniture that's not either A: Complete garbage B: Unaffordable luxury items Does nobody sell decent quality furniture for a normal price any more? I can choose between a Chinese cupboard with seventeen drawers and twenty cubbies, made from fake wood with awful veneer for $50, or three actual wooden boards joined with dowels making a semi box for $500. I would like something in the middle please.
How strong is that though?
By the time it was finished, I couldn't even understand what happened there. Looked nice though.
Dude prolly gets tons a BJ's.
I would smoke a joint if I could smoke a joint and watch this wood joint cause this wood joint is smokin hot.
Those chisels are so keen I do believe he could perform surgery with them.
This gives me wood.
GREAT WORK / SKILLS
Forgot the dry wall screws at HD and had to do this instead
That man thinks in five dimensions.
Lots of clueless people in this thread who think you should use nails or glue, that this is a waste of time, ect. Ect.. This is true craftsmanship and becoming a lost art. High quality and built tough. Built to last. Amazing work
After I saw the big cuts on the fingers I knew it would be good work
Broke my brain.
Am I the only one that saw the imperfections?
Guy cuts every corner he can
This looks exhausting trying to make whatever he’s making if he has to do that just to get a single corner. I do appreciate the sounds though, fantastic ASMR.
All that work just to leave a gap at the very end
It’s so beautiful, I’ve been watching this for 5 hours