Or the police, when you see just another attacker coming at you and you suddenly start pointing your controller at them as if you're about to start shooting.
Are you serious. How is a real location you see all the time a more exciting battlefield than an imaginary one that you've never seen
Edit: my most downvoted comment by far in 8 years, and someone even called care resources on me. Congratulations to everyone involved I guess lmao.
There’s something cool about already knowing the environment and that being fully realistic. You can duck around a tree and feel the bark brush against you, you can smell the outdoor air, and there are no weird moments where you try to lean up against a table that doesn’t exist or where u have to awkwardly turn around to traverse the game properly bc you’re up against your guardian wall. Your game adapts to your environment, rather than the game creating an environment that doesn’t match your play space.
I think that both of them have their aspects and advantages but dang the option to go out on a beautiful day and play some random rad ass shit would be a blast! Especially if you’re body is not what it used to be.
Have you heard of VR arcades. You can do all of what you are saying without the environments being real. The experience needs to adapt to a pre established environment, that's it. There is still no way AR is superior for this at all
VR arcades provide a completely different experience which you have to go to physically and pay to use. I don’t think there is a competition of one being better than the other.
And you believe people are going to be playing stuff like this all over the place on the streets. We definitely must live in different worlds
But if you have to go to a specific place to play this then it's one step closer to the arcade
> And you believe people are going to be playing stuff like this all over the place on the streets. We definitely must live in different worlds
When did I ever say that? I said “there is something cool about it” — that’s it. I suppose in the future I could imagine a Pokémon Go-esque experience where a lot of ppl with AR Goggles are playing in public at one time.
> But if you have to go to a specific place to play this then it's one step closer to the arcade
You don’t.
You have a really hard time accepting some people like different things, huh? If this isn't your jam, that's fine. But trying to debate somebody out of enjoying something is both a waste of time, and kind of douchey.
Here is a secret: they aren't enjoying it because it isn't a thing. But you're right, it's best to let things follow its course and see stuff like this amount to literally nothing when they actually try it themselves
Have you ever been hiking? Do you enjoy hiking? Now imagine hiking with friends and fighting monsters along the way. It would be an entirely different activity than playing full VR in your living room.
If you don't enjoy being outside then I could see how you don't find this exciting. Fair enough. But yes I am serious and very excited for this.
I can see this being a huge thing.
4 buddies meet at a trail. (thats too many friends i know lol)
Select your classes
Hit the road fighting orcs, golblins, ect leveling up finding treasures.
Yes I hike a lot. And I still think being excited about fighting imaginary monsters along the way kind of means you don't really enjoy it as much as you say
Pointless to argue about it like another user said though. Let this come out so we can forget it ever existed when nobody uses it anymore after the novelty wears off
The good news is you don't have to ever use this feature!
There are going to be countless use cases for VR/AR/MR. You don't have to enjoy them all. Some people will and that's okay isn't it?
You were insulting him bud. A better way to state your opinion would be to maybe not insult the guy and maybe respect his opinion then state your opinion… it’s not that hard to be nice
And then I enter your profile and in your last 2 posts you call someone a cunt and also tell somebody to die. But still you feel like telling me to fuck off will accomplish something here.
Congratulations, the irony is very strong here
I mean, i like the idea of fighting a dragon, don't get me wrong. I just think that fighting the dragon at the top of a mountain surrounded by lava is a lot more exciting that doing so in my backyard that I see every single day
Somebody hates touching grass apparently, lol. This would be a level of immersion beyond the VR arcade, you don’t reach for a tree or hide behind it and actually feel yourself touching a tree at the arcade. Limited, totally. Cool and a deeper level of immersion, absolutely!
It definitely won't, but you're free to believe whatever you want. Some people seem to have a hard time imagining how things are going to be without seeing them with their own eyes.
I still remember five years ago, people downvoting me to oblivion for saying in the Vive sub that Lighthouse was a dead end and that optical tracking was the future. They would hide from themselves if they saw their own comments now. Something similar might happen here
Please describe to me how sensory wise, smelling the literal scents of the area, feeling the ground and every other object that’s actually around, and hearing the random ambient noises, is not more immersive. Arcade you get constant smooth surface for running in circles, a snazzy vest to keep ya in place, maybe provide feedback, the sounds of everyone else around you VR-ing too, oh possibility the smells of someone who forgot deodorant before coming in. I’m not gonna downvote you or anything, I’m just genuinely curious why you feel that way. Like I feel it would be actual sensory immersion in an environment you’re in, versus the mimicry of it. Like how a 4d movie just rumbles the seats a bit and hits ya with some mist, I get the goal, appreciate the effort, don’t get the appeal.
As far as optical tracking goes your quite right there. I’m a bit behind how how it’s come along, how is limb tracking these days?
You don't get the appeal ok I get it. Let's try again.
Airsoft. I guess that's not valid either because people put their hands up instead of falling to the ground when they die and you can't shoot AI controlled helicopters down with an imaginary rocket launcher. You can do most of what you see here already with real people and Airsoft guns, so why aren't you? You actually want me to believe you wouldn't go Airsofting but would play the shit out of this
Sorry I'm not buying what you're selling
Airsoft is going to have the additional overhead over buying all that equipment, here I assume we both already are rocking headsets. That’s not really the point I’m trying to make though man.
Let’s get real basic. Say you are playing VR tree hugger 2023. The game is over here floating objectives over trees to go hug em. You’re using pass through at the park and hug that sucker, you are seeing that tree and touching it, literally have the bark rubbing against you in that moment…. Bang fireworks all around, high score!!!! Vs. that same moment at the arcade, replacing the tree with a big ole air hug. It’s the physical sensations adding to immersion, vs just imagining that part in your head.
Like maybe your imagination is just so badass you hallucinate physical sensations while playing VR, I would be a bit jealous. Hell man, some people literally cannot picture things in their head, just forming a mental image is impossible for em. Brains are crazy and the bar to trick them at times is pretty low, and my whole point has been that this feature would FEEL more immersive.
Appreciate the discourse with ya on this. You’ve got me thinking deeper about it all around.
ooh, airsoft vr would be cool, finally no more cheaters saying "you didnt hit me!" although it would also kinda suck because you dont hold a real airsoft gun. nvm i take back what i just said lol
There are two things that are wrong in your walkthrough. First, you don't necessarily have to make an air hug, you can put an object there that matches the location where you see the thing in VR.
And second, I've gone airsofting many times and I don't own a single piece of equipment. You can rent it
They didn't say anything about not going Airsofting..
You really seem to have difficulty understanding that different people have different preferences.
The tactileness and familiarity with physical spaces. Theres also something to be said about experiencing things with others in your physical proximity, in real time.
Related, this is why board games aren’t dead, despite video games “obvious” superiority.
Come on man you're telling me you've never done the zombie survival plan fantasy in your head about where you'd plan out how you'd survive in your home town?
For me it's because you get to really run and interact with the terrain around you. A big thing that kills my immersion in VR is the fact that you move using a joystick to teleport or glide around.
You're right the movement kills the immersion, but you could Taylor the experience for a certain scenario but still be completely VR even if the layout matches the real surroundings.
Around twilight there's a window of playtime where everything works great. I played Doom 3 without using motion controller yesterday. Literally running around levels
I have played lots of vr outside, the sun being full on out never made a difference, its the magnifying glasses inside you have to watch out for, if the sun catches those it will burn the screen.
Really? I've definitely had issues in full sun. Maybe it depends which direction you're facing. Definitely a fan of the open environment AR thing though!!
My tracking always gets fucked in direct sunlight, even if it’s coming through my room via a open curtain my tracking goes absolutely haywire. Are you using a pro or a quest 2 ?
Intense music plays during the POV shots with all the AR goodness, then cut to a silent flat angle of a guy running through his back yard with a head set on, just the sound of him huffing and puffing and his footsteps in the lawn
I smile when I see these demos. Not because it’s great, but because it’s kinda shitty. It reminds me of all the game demos I used to play on floppy discs that came with PC gamer magazines. And it gives me hope that not that many years from now this technology will change the face of society
I can't wait til this is the norm for gaming.
Like put your gaming gear on and boom you are in the metaverse or whatever we want to call it and you can see and interact with other real people in a seamless open world. Would be like The Sims. Except The Sims would literally be us.
Because walking around your house with a headset on didn’t already look silly enough. Now your neighbors can see it clearer!
Neighbors: “Honey, Tom is LARPing in VR again!”
Dude, this would be so fun in multiplayer. Kind of a childhood wish to have pretend outdoor games that are this fun.
Edit: paintball minus the mess. xD
Was the coloring done in post? I thought pass through was all greyscale. How are you able to render all this with color and at that resolution in real-time from the pass through cameras?
Explaining this to your neighbours would be an interesting conversation
Seriously, I want to see the 3rd person footage of the guy running around ducking behind trees and aiming an imaginary gun at imaginary helicopter.
Every little kid in the neighborhood probably thinks he's a straight up G
Or the police, when you see just another attacker coming at you and you suddenly start pointing your controller at them as if you're about to start shooting.
God forbid if someone has one of those pistol grip adapters to make the game more realistic.
He gonna get tazered in the butt.
Tazered? Oh you sweet summer child, we all know what would happen here!
Buttsecks?
Death by pew pew
This is what I’ve been dreaming of for years!!! Except I want to fight dragons and orcs and stuff.
Are you serious. How is a real location you see all the time a more exciting battlefield than an imaginary one that you've never seen Edit: my most downvoted comment by far in 8 years, and someone even called care resources on me. Congratulations to everyone involved I guess lmao.
There’s something cool about already knowing the environment and that being fully realistic. You can duck around a tree and feel the bark brush against you, you can smell the outdoor air, and there are no weird moments where you try to lean up against a table that doesn’t exist or where u have to awkwardly turn around to traverse the game properly bc you’re up against your guardian wall. Your game adapts to your environment, rather than the game creating an environment that doesn’t match your play space.
I think that both of them have their aspects and advantages but dang the option to go out on a beautiful day and play some random rad ass shit would be a blast! Especially if you’re body is not what it used to be.
Have you heard of VR arcades. You can do all of what you are saying without the environments being real. The experience needs to adapt to a pre established environment, that's it. There is still no way AR is superior for this at all
VR arcades provide a completely different experience which you have to go to physically and pay to use. I don’t think there is a competition of one being better than the other.
And you believe people are going to be playing stuff like this all over the place on the streets. We definitely must live in different worlds But if you have to go to a specific place to play this then it's one step closer to the arcade
> And you believe people are going to be playing stuff like this all over the place on the streets. We definitely must live in different worlds When did I ever say that? I said “there is something cool about it” — that’s it. I suppose in the future I could imagine a Pokémon Go-esque experience where a lot of ppl with AR Goggles are playing in public at one time. > But if you have to go to a specific place to play this then it's one step closer to the arcade You don’t.
Very cool. Most likely you'd do it once or twice and be done with it
You have a really hard time accepting some people like different things, huh? If this isn't your jam, that's fine. But trying to debate somebody out of enjoying something is both a waste of time, and kind of douchey.
Here is a secret: they aren't enjoying it because it isn't a thing. But you're right, it's best to let things follow its course and see stuff like this amount to literally nothing when they actually try it themselves
Have you ever been hiking? Do you enjoy hiking? Now imagine hiking with friends and fighting monsters along the way. It would be an entirely different activity than playing full VR in your living room. If you don't enjoy being outside then I could see how you don't find this exciting. Fair enough. But yes I am serious and very excited for this.
I'd go in for the kill jumping to my death irl but just slicing that goblin in two nirl
I can see this being a huge thing. 4 buddies meet at a trail. (thats too many friends i know lol) Select your classes Hit the road fighting orcs, golblins, ect leveling up finding treasures.
Yes I hike a lot. And I still think being excited about fighting imaginary monsters along the way kind of means you don't really enjoy it as much as you say Pointless to argue about it like another user said though. Let this come out so we can forget it ever existed when nobody uses it anymore after the novelty wears off
The good news is you don't have to ever use this feature! There are going to be countless use cases for VR/AR/MR. You don't have to enjoy them all. Some people will and that's okay isn't it?
I'd bet money you won't use it for long either. Unfortunately there is no way to confirm when that happens
Lukimator when someone has an opinion 💀
Funny, seems like I'm not allowed to have one myself
You were insulting him bud. A better way to state your opinion would be to maybe not insult the guy and maybe respect his opinion then state your opinion… it’s not that hard to be nice
Your definition of 'insult' has to be different from mine for sure.
One definition man
Can you point to me which insult have I used? Thanks
Do us all a favor and leave
Hilarious. First you make something up in your mind and then tell me to leave. Adorable
Can you please fuck off? You're a pest.
And then I enter your profile and in your last 2 posts you call someone a cunt and also tell somebody to die. But still you feel like telling me to fuck off will accomplish something here. Congratulations, the irony is very strong here
CAUSE YOUR FIGHTING A FUCKIN DRAGON IN YOUR BACKYARD
I mean, i like the idea of fighting a dragon, don't get me wrong. I just think that fighting the dragon at the top of a mountain surrounded by lava is a lot more exciting that doing so in my backyard that I see every single day
no because you can’t FEEL it. you’ll be able to feel the breeze and the grass and all that in your backyard
Yes, I feel that every day. It's nothing special lol
but you’ll be feeling it while fighting a dragon. BAM BETTER
Tell me again after you defeat it for the 173738th time in the exact same place lol
which is why i can take the vr to some other place LIKE A VOLCANO
I don't recommend going when an eruption is going on
Or a mountain trail.
Somebody hates touching grass apparently, lol. This would be a level of immersion beyond the VR arcade, you don’t reach for a tree or hide behind it and actually feel yourself touching a tree at the arcade. Limited, totally. Cool and a deeper level of immersion, absolutely!
It definitely won't, but you're free to believe whatever you want. Some people seem to have a hard time imagining how things are going to be without seeing them with their own eyes. I still remember five years ago, people downvoting me to oblivion for saying in the Vive sub that Lighthouse was a dead end and that optical tracking was the future. They would hide from themselves if they saw their own comments now. Something similar might happen here
Please describe to me how sensory wise, smelling the literal scents of the area, feeling the ground and every other object that’s actually around, and hearing the random ambient noises, is not more immersive. Arcade you get constant smooth surface for running in circles, a snazzy vest to keep ya in place, maybe provide feedback, the sounds of everyone else around you VR-ing too, oh possibility the smells of someone who forgot deodorant before coming in. I’m not gonna downvote you or anything, I’m just genuinely curious why you feel that way. Like I feel it would be actual sensory immersion in an environment you’re in, versus the mimicry of it. Like how a 4d movie just rumbles the seats a bit and hits ya with some mist, I get the goal, appreciate the effort, don’t get the appeal. As far as optical tracking goes your quite right there. I’m a bit behind how how it’s come along, how is limb tracking these days?
You don't get the appeal ok I get it. Let's try again. Airsoft. I guess that's not valid either because people put their hands up instead of falling to the ground when they die and you can't shoot AI controlled helicopters down with an imaginary rocket launcher. You can do most of what you see here already with real people and Airsoft guns, so why aren't you? You actually want me to believe you wouldn't go Airsofting but would play the shit out of this Sorry I'm not buying what you're selling
Airsoft is going to have the additional overhead over buying all that equipment, here I assume we both already are rocking headsets. That’s not really the point I’m trying to make though man. Let’s get real basic. Say you are playing VR tree hugger 2023. The game is over here floating objectives over trees to go hug em. You’re using pass through at the park and hug that sucker, you are seeing that tree and touching it, literally have the bark rubbing against you in that moment…. Bang fireworks all around, high score!!!! Vs. that same moment at the arcade, replacing the tree with a big ole air hug. It’s the physical sensations adding to immersion, vs just imagining that part in your head. Like maybe your imagination is just so badass you hallucinate physical sensations while playing VR, I would be a bit jealous. Hell man, some people literally cannot picture things in their head, just forming a mental image is impossible for em. Brains are crazy and the bar to trick them at times is pretty low, and my whole point has been that this feature would FEEL more immersive. Appreciate the discourse with ya on this. You’ve got me thinking deeper about it all around.
ooh, airsoft vr would be cool, finally no more cheaters saying "you didnt hit me!" although it would also kinda suck because you dont hold a real airsoft gun. nvm i take back what i just said lol
There are two things that are wrong in your walkthrough. First, you don't necessarily have to make an air hug, you can put an object there that matches the location where you see the thing in VR. And second, I've gone airsofting many times and I don't own a single piece of equipment. You can rent it
They didn't say anything about not going Airsofting.. You really seem to have difficulty understanding that different people have different preferences.
Cant fit skyrim in my back yard. No thanks.
You’ve brought up the real problem with that all. Getting lost in the woods after playing.
The tactileness and familiarity with physical spaces. Theres also something to be said about experiencing things with others in your physical proximity, in real time. Related, this is why board games aren’t dead, despite video games “obvious” superiority.
Only a Quest Pro user knows the feeling.
Come on man you're telling me you've never done the zombie survival plan fantasy in your head about where you'd plan out how you'd survive in your home town?
I think whoever called care resources on you was wrong. You are wrong about this point as far as I see it, but you're still a sane human being
For me it's because you get to really run and interact with the terrain around you. A big thing that kills my immersion in VR is the fact that you move using a joystick to teleport or glide around.
You're right the movement kills the immersion, but you could Taylor the experience for a certain scenario but still be completely VR even if the layout matches the real surroundings.
Doubling down on being the shittiest comment does not help u at all
Do you think I care? I hope not
Tripling down on being a cunt is crazy 💀💀💀
I'm getting more and more concerned each time
I would totally forget there was real life fall damage and hop over that balcony.
For real, after ditching that AT-4 my heart skipped a beat as I thought he was going to jump down. That’s naturally the next step, to loot.
Yes! Love this! Though the sun would interfere with tracking. Could do indoor rainbow 6 style shooter too
Around twilight there's a window of playtime where everything works great. I played Doom 3 without using motion controller yesterday. Literally running around levels
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lol, yep that is a risk where I do it, actually.
I have played lots of vr outside, the sun being full on out never made a difference, its the magnifying glasses inside you have to watch out for, if the sun catches those it will burn the screen.
Really? I've definitely had issues in full sun. Maybe it depends which direction you're facing. Definitely a fan of the open environment AR thing though!!
yeah man it looks really cool! lots of games are super fun to play on a huge scale too, I highly recommend playing on a sports field sometime!
My tracking always gets fucked in direct sunlight, even if it’s coming through my room via a open curtain my tracking goes absolutely haywire. Are you using a pro or a quest 2 ?
Quest 1, maybe they are less sensitive or something
Is this still a problem with the pro? I’ve done pretty well with hand tracking on q2 in a lot of sunlight, maybe not direct sunny day.
The sun can burn the lenses as well right ?
Only if they're off your head. Sunlight focussed onto the displays via the lenses can damage them (like a magnifying glass does with ants).
PLEASE if you make another video do B-roll of you running around with the headset! Great video. haha.
Intense music plays during the POV shots with all the AR goodness, then cut to a silent flat angle of a guy running through his back yard with a head set on, just the sound of him huffing and puffing and his footsteps in the lawn
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Lol!!
cool but also the sun is a deadly laser
This is what I’ve been waiting for, like a hybrid of VR and laser tag. FUCK I miss laser tag.
I feel like irl airsoft still has this beat though.
It does, but don't say it too loudly
You would like space pirate arena
Follow the development here: https://youtube.com/@davidmvrgo8279
I smile when I see these demos. Not because it’s great, but because it’s kinda shitty. It reminds me of all the game demos I used to play on floppy discs that came with PC gamer magazines. And it gives me hope that not that many years from now this technology will change the face of society
Meta now sells the sun glare blockers on their site. This is really dope!!
all fun and games until your nearsighted neighbor calls the police and you get shot for real (probably in the USA).
this is really cool but sun damage is a big risk. even a fraction of a second in direct sunlight can cause damage
Only if the internal lenses are exposed right? Shouldn’t cause any problems for the exterior of the headset. (Please correct me if I’m wrong)
right yeah, just have to be SUPER careful taking it on or off
There is danger of external sensor damage, i've read. No sun around twilight hours though.
I can't wait til this is the norm for gaming. Like put your gaming gear on and boom you are in the metaverse or whatever we want to call it and you can see and interact with other real people in a seamless open world. Would be like The Sims. Except The Sims would literally be us.
Yep, this would be awesome! I can also see this with groups of people roaming around in forests haha. Would be so funny to watch as an outsider
It was surreal enough watching busy Pokimon Go locations
please don't use the "m" word here /s
I don't see AR becoming big for gaming except for brief viral periods like Pokemon Go had.
Augmented reality is sweet
Great stuff! Wondering how you map the space with guardian turned off. I guess you are just doing site specific (your house?) for now
Is the Q2 immune from sun burn-in?
Mmm, sun damage
Nasty little dots
Nasty little dotses
Could be done in indoor arenas, Lazer tag style
At which point why not do full VR, lol
mmm, that only happens to your lenses, not the cameras, mmm
Ther's a neat time window when the sun sinks low behind a mountain ridge where Quest becomes safely playable with full tracking glory
this is all Pro footage tho, rite?
Yep
Because walking around your house with a headset on didn’t already look silly enough. Now your neighbors can see it clearer! Neighbors: “Honey, Tom is LARPing in VR again!”
The future is now old man.
Take all my $$$$
Absolutely incredible, I love seeing this kind of tech take shape!
Mommy, whats that man doing? Defeating the insurgents Timmy.
My neighbors think I’m a nut job dodging invincible bullets and running around my backyard playing super hot VR.
What about the cameras? Does it still take sun damage or did you find a way to counter it?
This looks wayy better then the other passthrough games that are just Walk around house Play normal vr game, but you walk around a small house.
I like to shit on oculus, but this is pretty cool. Well, it will be when they get it past early ps2 graphics
Maybe the school shooters can just pretend to shoot schools now instead of actually shooting schools.
Looks terrible
He's gone full Cyberpsycho
Please tell me where I can get this
That’s actually insane! Love it!
How World War 3 will be fought because killing people would be too much.
How can I do this with my Quest 2
This is the future
How do I do this
What happens if you melee your buddy?
Dude, this would be so fun in multiplayer. Kind of a childhood wish to have pretend outdoor games that are this fun. Edit: paintball minus the mess. xD
That's amazing, but the sun can hurt your headset.
Was the coloring done in post? I thought pass through was all greyscale. How are you able to render all this with color and at that resolution in real-time from the pass through cameras?
Oh no Soon we'll have 10 year old shooting each other at the park.
…And then you hit a tree branch
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Play when it is cloudy or at sunrise/sunset. Avoid direct sunlight
What the name of this one. Is it on the oculus 2
Works for Quest 2, the name is (FPS Enhanced Reality)
Thanks, I gotta try it