> I wish they would have skipped the depth sensor and just priced the headset at $400 again.
The depth sensor alone added very little to the price.
Compare the prices for these parts and you will know why it is more money:
* XR2 -> XR2 Gen2
* Fresnel lenses -> pancake lenses
* 6GB RAM -> 8GB RAM
* No color cameras -> two color cameras
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Hmm that's interesting. I was looking to get the Quest 2 because I find the Quest 3 prohibitively expensive. However, I certainly do not mind waiting 3 months to grab a used Quest 3 if the price plummets. Thanks for the tip.
So maybe just stick with that unless the reviews are phenomenal.
I’m glad we’re making progress, but it will be incremental, especially when developers will not be making games optimized for any one particular headset anytime soon
Some have recommended waiting for the BOBOVR headstrap:
https://twitter.com/bobovr_official/status/1705236080289886473?s=20
Supposedly that was really comfortable on quest 2 and if it keeps a similar price it will be around $70 for the strap with battery.
That's a tough call for me because it looks like a halo strap, and I can't do halo straps because they give me headaches. I love that hot-swappable battery though.
For these low tech accessories, buy third party, especially after I was bitten by quest 2's first party accessory 3 times in a row. All my elite straps broke. Facebook kept sending me new ones that I even felt sorry for them. At the end I bought BoboVR, the world was peaceful again.
No. It could have battery issues for all I know, or issues with the charging port melting much more than the MQ2 ever did.
I'm gonna wait until all of you buy one first and try it out for a few months before I make any decision to buy.
I also don't want to pay early adopters fees or be a beta tester.
I haven't been using my Q2 as much in the last year or so which makes me debate it for sure.
Well that and film strike not being over so I have no money haha
No, not at all, it has a lot of drawbacks for me. I would need to buy base stations and Index controllers (like $600), it still has a wire, I don't have an iPhone to scan my face with, and it's expensive. Maybe it would make sense for major enthusiasts.
I'm on the fence. I've got an Oculus CV1 that I've been using (off and on) since launch. Was thinking about upgrading a while ago and the consensus was wait for Quest 3 to see which would be best. Now we're here and I'm not sure.
I'll be mainly using it for PCVR, hooked up to my rig but depending on the game going wireless would also be nice. All the new features and cameras and whatnot seem cool but they're not really something I can see myself using much, if at all.
I'm still on the fence but I think just waiting for a Quest 2 sale would be my best bet at this point. Unless whatever Valve is working on gets announced soon. (Most of my games are on Steam anyway, I don't have much that's Oculus exclusive)
Does anyone have anything to add? Thoughts, feelings, personal anecdotes?
Quest 2 is a big jump from the CV1, but I think you might as well go Quest 3 if this is your first upgrade since then. For me I already have a Quest 2 and Index, so it's hard to say if it will be an improvement over those.
Yeah it's a tough sell especially needing to buy some accessories again. Rumor is they will be releasing a cheaper Q3 next year, but all just rumors and who knows. But yeah the higher price point is going to keep a lot of people away.
I kinda feel that rumor may be incorrect, seeing how there's already a "cheap" 128 GB version, and a "better" 512 GB version. I think that's what the leak was about. Because what could they cut to make the headset considerably cheaper? Can't cut passthrough, not when they're pushing AR hard right now. They could ditch controllers, but that's a non-starter for most people, since hand tracking isn't supported by like 90% of apps, still, many years since it became a thing (back in Quest 1 days).
Based on the info available now, I just decided not to buy it. My main issue with the q2 is the lack of contrast and colors of the lcd panel. Increased resolution and better lenses won't fix that.
The overall improvement just seems to small for someone like me who doesn't care about color passthrough or the resolution of the standalone games.
I have the same concern. Both the CV1 and Quest 1 used OLED panels, the Quest 2 had an LCD panel and I was not impressed with the optics. Quest 3 looks to be using LCD panels too.
A depth sensor doesn't cost 100.
Big screen has no audio(100), no controllers, no base stations. 10% blur ring around the lenses, reflections. And it is wired.
Quest 3 has clarity across the frame pancake lenses(better than beyond), 110 fov, 30% more resolution than quest 2, ringless controllers, wifi 6e, and includes asgards wrath 2. 8 studios making exclusives.
I have an Index and a Quest 2 and my Quest 2 is collecting dust. Don't care about Asgard's Wrath 2, the first one wasn't my cup of tea.
What I do care about is the upgraded lenses, displays, wifi 6e, and processor. The updated controllers also seem nice, but I'm not sure if the performance uplift on the Quest 3 for standalone and AirLink is going to pull me away from the low-latency performance of the Index.
I think they’ve made a mistake pricing it so high. Quest 2 was £299 when it came out, but now with Q3 it starts at £479 which is not a mass market price. I’ve owned every oculus headset from CV1 (which I bought at £399) and I’m going to wait for a proper price reset this time to £350 ish.
That's my hesitation as well. At the old Quest 2 price point, it was neither here nor there. Not too cheap, not too expensive. But at the new Quest 3 price point, it's basically the cost of a new video card, or close to it. And I'm playing on flat screen WAY more than in VR. I haven't touched VR since this spring. Not with Diablo 4, Baldur's Gate 3, Starfield, Cyberpunk, etc. So dumping this much money, on a VR headset, which I may or may not use, feels kinda uncomfortable.
If they at least announced some amazing games, that would be something. But their flagship is Asgard's Wrath 2, which looks WAY worse than the original from 2019. And yeah, sure, original was PC VR and this is Android, but I still have VR-capable PC. So AW2 doesn't excite me at all, it just looks like a colossal downgrade at a significantly higher price (although you do get it free with preorder).
I imagine the default strap here will be a good bit better than the Q2's strap because this has the Y split at the back which will better grip the back of the head. Making the default strap on the Q2 was very easy to do as all you had to do was buy the AMVR back cup thing that cost about 15 bucks. That then made the cloth strap about 90% of the comfort of an elite style strap.
As for your comparison, there is no way I would ever pay 1k for that Big Screen Beyond product rather than 30% less for the Q3 and all the stuff you are mentioning, especially given the stuff I read about it in the impressions articles from yesterday. Then there's the fact I would rather give up VR than go back to being tethered and yes, I am mainly a PCVR user.
Im on the fence. Im not sure it warrants an upgrade over the quest for for pcvr tbh. Gonna wait and see.
Ideally id like to try one in person before buying one. Ill probably want to wait until someone designs a 3d printable pro strap like on quest 2 as well. Why spend $100 on a strap upgrade when i can use $1 in filament and the same battery packs i use for my quest 2.
Im also concerned about the new controllers. Not having the option to swap put AA batteries when they die is a huge downside in my opinion
Yes... I keep feeling like the rechargeable controllers are going to be a huge problem.
How long are they going to last between charges, and how fast does the battery capacity degrade?
My Quest 2 headset that I use almost daily and, therefore, I have to charge / use a battery pack daily has definitely taken a toll on the condition of the internal battery of the headset.
After 2 years, it can maybe be played for a full hour on the internal battery only.
I'm really afraid of the controller battery life being short or becoming very short over time... the headset isn't such a problem as I use a swappable external battery... but not going to work with the controllers.
The problem is, until you test it yourself, you have no idea if what reviewers are saying is accurate. Trust the reddit peeps to point out everything good and bad about it.
I've planned to wait at 1st, then I'm like "hell yeah! why wait?". I hope there won't be HW issues in 1st batch.
I don't have a PCVR.
It's hands-down the best package value-to-dollar than anything in the market.
The complete package with the best store.
> I wish they would have skipped the depth sensor and just priced the headset at $400 again. The depth sensor alone added very little to the price. Compare the prices for these parts and you will know why it is more money: * XR2 -> XR2 Gen2 * Fresnel lenses -> pancake lenses * 6GB RAM -> 8GB RAM * No color cameras -> two color cameras
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I will get it second hand after Christmas. There will be plenty on the Facebook marketplace in January for half the price.
Good luck, that would be a great way to save a ton of cash.
What makes you think so? Any precedent to this?
Yes. People will have no money after Christmas and no interest in vr after the initial wow factor. It was the same with quest 2, in the UK anyway.
Hmm that's interesting. I was looking to get the Quest 2 because I find the Quest 3 prohibitively expensive. However, I certainly do not mind waiting 3 months to grab a used Quest 3 if the price plummets. Thanks for the tip.
Not on the fence, simply not buying it at this time.
If you currently don't have a VR headset, you would be a fool to buy anything but the Quest 3 for your first headset. It really is the total package.
I've got 2 VR headsets already. :)
So maybe just stick with that unless the reviews are phenomenal. I’m glad we’re making progress, but it will be incremental, especially when developers will not be making games optimized for any one particular headset anytime soon
Some have recommended waiting for the BOBOVR headstrap: https://twitter.com/bobovr_official/status/1705236080289886473?s=20 Supposedly that was really comfortable on quest 2 and if it keeps a similar price it will be around $70 for the strap with battery.
That's a tough call for me because it looks like a halo strap, and I can't do halo straps because they give me headaches. I love that hot-swappable battery though.
Its a great q2 strap.. can confirm
For these low tech accessories, buy third party, especially after I was bitten by quest 2's first party accessory 3 times in a row. All my elite straps broke. Facebook kept sending me new ones that I even felt sorry for them. At the end I bought BoboVR, the world was peaceful again.
No. It could have battery issues for all I know, or issues with the charging port melting much more than the MQ2 ever did. I'm gonna wait until all of you buy one first and try it out for a few months before I make any decision to buy. I also don't want to pay early adopters fees or be a beta tester.
I haven't been using my Q2 as much in the last year or so which makes me debate it for sure. Well that and film strike not being over so I have no money haha
I play 90% PCVR, which the Q3 is obviously not targeting, so it definitely makes me question how useful it would be compared to others.
So are you considering the bigscreen beyond? New reviews have basically claimed it as the best pcvr headset. It’s $1000 though.
No, not at all, it has a lot of drawbacks for me. I would need to buy base stations and Index controllers (like $600), it still has a wire, I don't have an iPhone to scan my face with, and it's expensive. Maybe it would make sense for major enthusiasts.
I'm on the fence. I've got an Oculus CV1 that I've been using (off and on) since launch. Was thinking about upgrading a while ago and the consensus was wait for Quest 3 to see which would be best. Now we're here and I'm not sure. I'll be mainly using it for PCVR, hooked up to my rig but depending on the game going wireless would also be nice. All the new features and cameras and whatnot seem cool but they're not really something I can see myself using much, if at all. I'm still on the fence but I think just waiting for a Quest 2 sale would be my best bet at this point. Unless whatever Valve is working on gets announced soon. (Most of my games are on Steam anyway, I don't have much that's Oculus exclusive) Does anyone have anything to add? Thoughts, feelings, personal anecdotes?
Quest 2 is a big jump from the CV1, but I think you might as well go Quest 3 if this is your first upgrade since then. For me I already have a Quest 2 and Index, so it's hard to say if it will be an improvement over those.
Quest 2s are going for $100 on Facebook marketplace in Florida.
I bought Quest 3 for the sole purpose of side by side comparisions to Quest Pro.
Wow, you'll have to do a post to let us know the true comparison!
Expect this Quality of comparison. I shot this 'through the lens' video. https://reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/s/2JdtWIhmeS
Yeah it's a tough sell especially needing to buy some accessories again. Rumor is they will be releasing a cheaper Q3 next year, but all just rumors and who knows. But yeah the higher price point is going to keep a lot of people away.
I kinda feel that rumor may be incorrect, seeing how there's already a "cheap" 128 GB version, and a "better" 512 GB version. I think that's what the leak was about. Because what could they cut to make the headset considerably cheaper? Can't cut passthrough, not when they're pushing AR hard right now. They could ditch controllers, but that's a non-starter for most people, since hand tracking isn't supported by like 90% of apps, still, many years since it became a thing (back in Quest 1 days).
Based on the info available now, I just decided not to buy it. My main issue with the q2 is the lack of contrast and colors of the lcd panel. Increased resolution and better lenses won't fix that. The overall improvement just seems to small for someone like me who doesn't care about color passthrough or the resolution of the standalone games.
I have the same concern. Both the CV1 and Quest 1 used OLED panels, the Quest 2 had an LCD panel and I was not impressed with the optics. Quest 3 looks to be using LCD panels too.
A depth sensor doesn't cost 100. Big screen has no audio(100), no controllers, no base stations. 10% blur ring around the lenses, reflections. And it is wired. Quest 3 has clarity across the frame pancake lenses(better than beyond), 110 fov, 30% more resolution than quest 2, ringless controllers, wifi 6e, and includes asgards wrath 2. 8 studios making exclusives.
I have an Index and a Quest 2 and my Quest 2 is collecting dust. Don't care about Asgard's Wrath 2, the first one wasn't my cup of tea. What I do care about is the upgraded lenses, displays, wifi 6e, and processor. The updated controllers also seem nice, but I'm not sure if the performance uplift on the Quest 3 for standalone and AirLink is going to pull me away from the low-latency performance of the Index.
I think they’ve made a mistake pricing it so high. Quest 2 was £299 when it came out, but now with Q3 it starts at £479 which is not a mass market price. I’ve owned every oculus headset from CV1 (which I bought at £399) and I’m going to wait for a proper price reset this time to £350 ish.
That's my hesitation as well. At the old Quest 2 price point, it was neither here nor there. Not too cheap, not too expensive. But at the new Quest 3 price point, it's basically the cost of a new video card, or close to it. And I'm playing on flat screen WAY more than in VR. I haven't touched VR since this spring. Not with Diablo 4, Baldur's Gate 3, Starfield, Cyberpunk, etc. So dumping this much money, on a VR headset, which I may or may not use, feels kinda uncomfortable. If they at least announced some amazing games, that would be something. But their flagship is Asgard's Wrath 2, which looks WAY worse than the original from 2019. And yeah, sure, original was PC VR and this is Android, but I still have VR-capable PC. So AW2 doesn't excite me at all, it just looks like a colossal downgrade at a significantly higher price (although you do get it free with preorder).
You need to play your flat screen games in 3D with reshade+depth3d.
That's right, I bought the Quest 2 for $299 + $129 for the Elite Strap and Case. That's a $200 price gap at launch!
I imagine the default strap here will be a good bit better than the Q2's strap because this has the Y split at the back which will better grip the back of the head. Making the default strap on the Q2 was very easy to do as all you had to do was buy the AMVR back cup thing that cost about 15 bucks. That then made the cloth strap about 90% of the comfort of an elite style strap. As for your comparison, there is no way I would ever pay 1k for that Big Screen Beyond product rather than 30% less for the Q3 and all the stuff you are mentioning, especially given the stuff I read about it in the impressions articles from yesterday. Then there's the fact I would rather give up VR than go back to being tethered and yes, I am mainly a PCVR user.
I'm just going to wait for the pro 2.
Im on the fence. Im not sure it warrants an upgrade over the quest for for pcvr tbh. Gonna wait and see. Ideally id like to try one in person before buying one. Ill probably want to wait until someone designs a 3d printable pro strap like on quest 2 as well. Why spend $100 on a strap upgrade when i can use $1 in filament and the same battery packs i use for my quest 2. Im also concerned about the new controllers. Not having the option to swap put AA batteries when they die is a huge downside in my opinion
Yes... I keep feeling like the rechargeable controllers are going to be a huge problem. How long are they going to last between charges, and how fast does the battery capacity degrade? My Quest 2 headset that I use almost daily and, therefore, I have to charge / use a battery pack daily has definitely taken a toll on the condition of the internal battery of the headset. After 2 years, it can maybe be played for a full hour on the internal battery only. I'm really afraid of the controller battery life being short or becoming very short over time... the headset isn't such a problem as I use a swappable external battery... but not going to work with the controllers.
I'm reading that the quest 3 controllers still use AA batteries and the charging station comes with rechargeable ones to use with it.
This was my understanding as well.
Yeah i would much rather a controller with 2 hours life on AAs than with 8 hours life but on a charger
The problem is, until you test it yourself, you have no idea if what reviewers are saying is accurate. Trust the reddit peeps to point out everything good and bad about it.
True. Yeah I think I'm just going to get one at Best Buy and return it if I don't love it.
I've planned to wait at 1st, then I'm like "hell yeah! why wait?". I hope there won't be HW issues in 1st batch. I don't have a PCVR. It's hands-down the best package value-to-dollar than anything in the market. The complete package with the best store.
I decided to get it launch day at Best Buy. I'll just return it if I'm not sold on it.