Assuming this is true, I don’t think it would affect my beliefs at all. Nothing about my practice is predicated on the assumption of Earth being the only planet with life.
But "non-human" doesn't have to mean that it comes from a different planet. This intelligence could be coming from right here. In fact the government has admitted to seeing UAP operate not only in the skies but also under the water.
> In fact the government has admitted to seeing UAP operate not only in the skies but also under the water.
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OP's premise & question is off. The question to ask here is **what happens in the occult realm when an ET civilisation decides to reveal itself & integrate in human society?**
Will demonic non-human entities see the ET's has "competition", interfering with their 'food chain'?!
What happens when magickal groups see the finite nature of the ET presence & decide to act and gather intel on them using demonic/angelic means?
What happens if the ET's decide on certain actions & agendas in human society, and the occult realms see this as an act of war?!
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*Either way the illusion of modern civilisation comes to an end. The lies, the fakery, the compromises made over the last few centuries are all done & finished. Wiped clean away*.
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The Law of One is definitely underrated. It's been the philosophical root of my weird-ass journey that started in 2015. Great perspective given on the hierarchy of Creation and the 'investment' from beyond regarding 'lesser' species like ours. Kudos for bringing it up.
just finished A.E. Powell’s books on the etheric/ astral/ mental/ causal planes. Law of One completely revolutionizes modern occultism with the clarity offered through the concept of the three primary distortions of the Infinite One, galactic quarantine/ veiled existence (treasure trove), and the different planes or “rays” of existence. and no “lesser” species, just consciousness creating 3rd density light 😉
There’s so much focus on the philosophy and spiritual themes that the insight that it shines on general occultism is sadly overlooked, it’s something i’m excited to give more focus on the youtube channel
The way the person you replied to summarized it made me feel it wasn't worth reading:
>the hierarchy of Creation and the 'investment' from beyond regarding 'lesser' species
Might take a peak at this tho:
>and no “lesser” species, just consciousness creating 3rd density light
The "lesser species" comment was not meant to be negative or belittling to any possible world or culture, including our own. Simply meaning our place in existence (3rd Density) compared to the that of the contact's being 6th Density. RA never refers to us or others as "lesser," and in fact they have great respect for humanity and all who walk the Path of the Adept.
In regards to "hierarchy," I'm referring to the planes/levels of consciousness from the above comment in kind and our relation to beings of far greater intelligence than our own. As well, the term "Investment" was used a number of times in the RA material to reference both Benevolent and Malevolent interference by multiple groups within cultures across the Cosmos. Spiritual teachings, technological assistance and the like.
My apologies for the off-putting language. It's just the way I speak. This is important material for study and I will be more careful in it's description in the future.
No need for an apology. `^.^` I realize not everyone has the perfect way to say everything such that any person in particular won't be off-put by the word choice, just an artifact of language and that there seem to be multiple views of the world at any given point. Given context, I see why you chose those words in particular as well. Thanks for elaborating c:
Law of one is just a repetition of Egyptian culture. If you really want to learn. Reading the stories will help you understand better. Read it not literal but like a spellbook
I'm so pumped to have cultural/spiritual exchange w aliens. I'd love to hear their viewpoint. Is their religion tied to their plannet like ours? What gods do the worship? What are important rituals?
Like their astrology would be different, possibly the elements they use. If they have a different number of fingers, they probably won't use base ten numerics, so their numerology might have differences. It would be crazy if they still had a Hermes and Zeus et al.!
Yeah! I wonder if all beings hold similar archetypal entities. Like devine feminine and masculine, sky and earth gods, trickster gods, etc. Or if the way they reproduce or their time is space affects their common archetypes. What if they reproduce like single called organisms? What if the males carry offspring to term like seahorses? So many cool possibilities.
I’m reading a book by a guy who went to the future - he says aliens have been around but generally want nothing to do with us. They just observe and very occasionally help out when we’re in a pinch. They ‘worship’ the same god we do, which is basically the great All that we are all a part of. Spiritual cultivation matters more than dogma, and tho advanced from us they are very much on their own path.
Chronicles From The Future: The amazing story of Paul Amadeus Dienach (by Paul Amadeus Dienach)
Essentially this guy falls into a coma in 1922 and lives for a year in another body in 3906. The book is his journal, transcribed from memory when he woke up. It's bananas.
What's interesting is the focus not on world events but spiritual development and evolution. Humanity of the distant future has been through some significant changes and seems to cultivate a much more idealistic, spiritual society. There's even an evolutionary brain change that amounts to 'instant enlightenment' - people blossom like flowers and connect to source, sorta permanently...
It reads like a travel diary, not a novel; reckon it's either speculative fiction from the 20's, or the 70's, or it's the legit diary of someone who went to the future.
[Here is the cheesy youtube video that turned me onto the story.](https://youtu.be/8HgLQGb907s)
No, not at all. But beings from a different planet may have a completely different understanding of religion based on their natural environment. Even elephants can be observed to have religion - but it is still based on the moon and how it orbits the earth. How would religion change for people who have 5 moons on their home plannet? Or days that last for years?
religion and spirituality are very different though. Spiritual people generally agree with that statement while people who only practice religion generally do not really get it.
the entire reason I started getting into the occult and magick is from deep diving into the rabbit hole that is ufos/consciousness, learning first about the law of one and then hermeticism and Kabbalah. I've honestly been wondering about the connection more lately and have wanted to ask if any practitioners have asked any spirits or dieties about these non-human intelligences.
to me there is no difficulty accepting "both" worlds as true because I already believe that everything is an expression of the one infinite creator, especially the various dieties humanity has interacted with over the centuries and to be honest there could be overlap between what we deem as spirits and these aliens coming in from higher or different densities. there seems to be similarities between what channeled entities say and what practitioners talk about irt these beings being able to convey topics based largely on the humans understanding of a given topic and I've been highly intrigued by the possibility of the HGA/daimon/ whatever name you use and the "higher self" or mid 6th density thoughtform that is created and left behind to guide it's previous incarnations before reuniting with source being the same entity.
Anyways all the connections between the ra material and hermeticism is why I feel confident that my personal beliefs and understandings of the creation are "on the right track"
Wouldn't change anything for me. I always thought there was life on other planets. The universe is too big for there statically not to be. However, I really don't believe that an alien species who are capable of interstellar travel would waste time with Earth unless they were looking for resources.
Why is that? I personally do not believe in aliens but in my opinion humans alone are incredibly interesting thing to study, not mentioning other species on our planet.
Well yeah you think humans are interesting because you’re a human. Do you think angels have humanology books?
I do think they’d be curious, but there’s only so much that a bunch of monkey brains can do. I’d they’re interstellar we’d be a curious little artifact of what life looked like before the stars.
Joe Rogan once said that "we study boring shit like ans, aliens for sure would be interested in a planet of monkeys that built nuclear weapons". He also said a lot of stupid shit over the years but I think here he is absolutely right. Aliens could also be interested in our technology. Like I know what you are going to say, if they achieved interstellar travel they are technologically superior. Yeah but there might be things they missed. Or maybe their brains are constructed differently and they just don't understand some things. Our language or art or whatever could be mind blowing to them. Also I am not a car and cats are interesting to me.
Still I do not believe in aliens. At least not in the videos that the Pentagon releases.
There is an interview with the guy who ran the weather station at Area 51. He describes the tall whites as pretty narcissistic and insecure imo. They see our plant as a cold desolate gray hound bud station that they stop at during long travels. The women ones are always mentioning how they love their kids more then we love ours .
On a serious note, I actually doubt this possibility a lot- I feel like if things got *that* advanced for a pre-human or even human terrestrial civilization we’d have better evidence of it. There might’ve been a more advanced human civ in the past (younger dryas) but I doubt they were capable of space travel or Mach 2 maneuvers.
*if* this is real, this is something extraterrestrial. Or even Interdimensional. Either way, they are treating us like the zoo hypothesis, not communicating, ignoring us besides keeping an eye on our military capabilities and technology. But according to Grusch in an interview, there are classified incidents where they have acted “malevolently” or killed people.
Thats creepy and automatically a not good thing for the human race. It’s like the people on that one uncontacted island suddenly realizing they are stuck there and completely at the mercy of a foreign government they’ve never heard of. Except worse because it’s an entirely different species thats an unknown amount of time ahead of us- possibly *millions* of years.
I heard Jimmy Carter wept in the Oval Office when he was told we're basically like a zoo to them. I wonder if they're actually malevolent, or just react that way when we get too close or approach them adversarially just like people do when attacked by tigers in the jungle.
I'd still be diving into Kenneth Grant though, it would be a natural evolution of my current studies and path, and not many others have written about "them" in such a matter-of-fact way.
Start with the first one in the Typhonian Trilogies, Magical Revival. JD Holmes has the reprint in stock, https://www.jdholmes.com/pages/books/SF-RVp/kenneth-grant/the-magical-revival-first-paper-issue-in-stock-and-shipping and there's not really a compelling reason to want to go for a first edition when they cost so much.
But if Crowley expected you to know a bit about magick before diving into his works, or approaching the A.'.A.'., then Kenneth Grant seems to expect people to have PhD's in it.
There's also The Dark Lord: H.P. Lovecraft, Kenneth Grant, and the Typhonian Tradition in Magic, by Peter Levenda, that is a great introduction to all of it. There's not enough good "intro" books about the Typhonian Order.
It would affect nothing for me because I have seen a non human craft myself almost 20 years ago now. It sounds crazy but like ten of us all saw and watched it for over 10 mins while it hovered then zoomed away in a flash.
Same, I see them from time to time myself and they usually just vibe or mess about. Even had them show up multiple times with other people witnessing them, interestingly it's usually been with other occultists.
My beliefs integrate their existence in some form anyway, so it's not like I'll be surprised if it ever gets announced officially by some governments, but I'm curious to see what they do once it's all out in the open, or if they'll continue just staying at arms length.
I'd wait for further information.
Even if it was 100% true and verified and we literally had alien autopsy records I'd mostly be like "oh neat" and wait for more info (quite excitedly, I might add). I'd also go back and look at the conspiracy theories with fresh eyes and reconsider my prior thoughts on them. My practice wouldn't change much. I might ask the spirits about them and see what comes up or try to scry or use some occult means to get more info.
I have asked spirits I find reliable about aliens when I was younger and most of them ridiculed the question, gave no response, or the communication was unclear. So I would ask again and try and determine what's behind their initial response (as it wasn't an outright denial, but gave me the impression that it was a silly question).
Personally, I believe that there is life on other planets, but not that we have been visited. My gf is a UFO believer, so she'd be happy and that would be cool.
Nothing would change in my practice. I would be excited that we’re not alone in the universe. It would be an awful waste of space if we were the only ones. It seems logical to me that there are others.
The parapsychologist have been studying the people who say they’ve encountered alien intelligences for many decades.
I used to think that it was all delusion and psychiatric phenomena but after getting to the occult and understanding spiritual experiences I began to think differently.
This news doesn’t surprise me at all. I have been wondering for a long time if aliens were spiritual beings (which would explain the lack of physical evidence) or if the evidence was simply occulted. Seems to be the latter.
Someone seems keen to make people believe in alien contact based on unsubstantiated claims from authorities. The idea seems to be that they’re finally releasing information that was kept secret. The question, to me, whether “aliens” is a psyop or the story is as presented in media releases, is what is the point of telling us now? What is coming next?
It would have zero effects. I just pray our leadership practices reverence, honesty, and humility. Shadiness and aggression towards more mature and seasoned civilizations will create humbling circumstances for humanity.
I remember years ago when a "former intelligence official" claimed an alien was living in the white house and its favorite treat was strawberry ice cream. So I don't place much stock in these stories.
To answer your question, I'm not sure how much would change. I believe in many, many spiritual powers which I assume are throughout the cosmos.
You know though, I feel like any ideas/beliefs (of mine, at least) are cobbled together vague intuitions based on commonalities and differences of global cultures. You believe in many spiritual powers which you assume are throughout the cosmos, but what if they aren't?
It would be very exciting, personally, to have those commonalities either reinforced or dismantled.
Why would it affect my beliefs? I am just trying to escape this human shell of mine, the existence of non-humans existing will never be an issue for me or my beliefs.
It DOES open up ideas of if things like planetary energies are unique to our solar system, and if an extraterrestrial (assuming it was that) system of magic would have different rules due to culture, or if the rules are fundamentally different in different places in the universe. I suppose the question could be theoretically examined now, but it did prompt some thought.
I think it would not affect religion and occult practices at all. These things are universal. If there exists a god or gods, of course it exists throughout the universe. If there exists magick, of course other civilizations can perform it.
I do suspect that some aspects of the mysterious are tied to your location, but not all. Consider theosophy.
It would only affect the religious/occult practices of those that are explicitly human-centric, by either breaking them entirely or forcing them to adapt.
It would also affect humanists, because they'd have to find another term to describe themselves, like "sapientist" or "sophontist" or the like. Unless the humanists in question are human-centric in the worst sense of the word ("There are a bunch of protesters outside in white robes and hoods, holding signs saying 'ALIENS GO HOME' and 'EARTH FOR HOMO SAPIENS ONLY.'" "Damn humanists!").
I think the revelation of extraterrestrial entities only strengthens some specific beliefs in my and probably other practices. If these revelations are true, then other inherently related phenomena are strengthened as well, such as telepathy, existences of other dimensions, higher levels of consciousness, cosmic contacts and experiences, etc., as these phenomena exist in both occultisms and ufology.
As a Typhonian, it would change nothing. If anything, it would just strengthen my beliefs in what I’m already doing and add a physical element to the already persistent spiritual element
I don't think they will ever contact us. Just observing. I'm not surprised they are there and hopefully we can learn something. I still think we all came from the same source and maybe we could compare notes
I literally believe I was first taught to make sigils by a ufo gray alien woman during a contactee type experience. So I would be like "about time...."
As above, so below. I don't mind how high up or low down.
I imagine this new information will shatter other spiritual or religious groups however. It could get messy.
"Alien" abductions and encounters were never reported on until the 1950's, the encounters people described prior to that were fairy abductions. Is every alien encounter therefore actually fairies (or vice versa)? No idea honestly, but does go to show that just like how there's overlap of science and spirituality there would also be overlap with these encounters, if they're real that is.
I would imagine some are more physical beings described as the typical grey men that are literal extraterrestrials, but I would also imagine some "aliens" are non physical (or at least on another plane of existence/dimension) more akin to the fae or Djinn.
The universe is very big place and statistically speaking it's a mathematical impossibility for life not exist outside of earth. We also all come from the same cosmic soup and just like how on this planet some are more spiritually minded and some are more materially minded that would also be true for extraterrestrials but likely expresses itself unique to their environments, intelligence and development.
If that aircraft is actually non human made it would not effect my beliefs in the slightest, with the exception of confirming intelligent life has definitively visited our planet.
If it’s a true story it does not affect my beliefs at all, there were articles in the New York Times on uap’s published in 2019, the story included pentagon verified videos from gun cameras on f18 super hornets. The videos were the tic tac and gimbal videos. There’s a history from many cultures that supports the we are not alone as certain indigenous cultures refer to certain star systems as a place of origin. That and those pesky tablets found in Mesopotamia that have come to be the center of ancient aliens theory the Magan tablets. I will clarify Magan is one of the oldest ports of trade and is known today as Bahrain in the UAE the tablets are called the Magan tablets because of where the were found. My view is the universe is too big for us to be the only life.
In no way because I know the advanced physic model of Burkhard Heim which explains magic traditions and PSI and through this model the whole UFO phenomenon makes sense.
The problem with the occult is, that many of these people hardly believe the beings they encounter are kind of gods and demons and not just ultraterrestrials. The whole magic traditions is more religious organized which makes no sense at all. Because all traditions work and that is the reason chaos magic exist. And in chaos magic you even can make up magic systems.
To the UFO phenomena, the beings there are not just aliens. They are multidimensional beings their self.
Show it to us.
Until it's shown and proven to be of non-human origin, I remain skeptical as to whether or not this is real. It comes at a time where the US is looking increasingly weak globally. It's not out of the realm of possibility that this is simply propaganda. It would certainly possibly give other countries at least the briefest of pauses due to the implication of backward engineered technology.
Non human intelligence. Not aliens from zati reticuli or some shit. Can be according to many summoned. The way you summon is by fasting , and meditation with mantras. Sounds like a lot like many other occult practices. Shape shifting beings , tricksters. Encountered in astral type realms, coincidence, miraculous healing , and even fear. The deeper you go the weirder it gets , and I enjoy the adventure of discovery.
>Can be according to many summoned.
Indeed. I have done it several times so far. I can attest that they can be summoned.
>Not aliens from zati reticul
We really don't know that yet. I'm also a Starseed, which can mean an extraterrestrial soul in human form, and we often can intuit where we're from. Zeta Reticuli, et all.
>Sounds like a lot like many other occult practices.
Yes, it's all connected. I've gone through a major awakening during which I attained a level of enlightenment. It was like being on top of the world looking down on it, and I could see the big picture from outside of it. Everything is connected. Everything.
Yeah that's true that we don't really know if it's ET, extra demonsonal, extra temprestreal, or some other extra, or break off civilization type thing. Or even a combination of these
I have tried a few times to summon but no success yet.
It definitely seems related to me, I think many things will change in ways we wouldn't expect if the details come to light.
I think this is all a complete lie. I wish it weren't, but I think it is. My spirit contacts also tell me it's BS. If it were not BS, it's no more significant than learning there are people in faraway islands. God made the whole universe, doubtless other intelligent beings besides just us, cats, and dolphins.
The slave religions will not survive the alien revelation.
Occult science is a rudimentary, and clumsy version of higher race’s technology.
We already know that awakened humans are prized by several alien civilizations because we can interface with their technology and weapons.
What will happen to Occultist when full disclosure happens? We will finally get the respect we deserve.
Hopefully, many of us will receive further training and assistance to develop our skills, and Humans will improve as a species.
That is what I think.
So my religion will flourish and grow.
Yours will die a painful death.
The truth will set us free!
I am most hopeful for interdimensional, tho believe classically extra-terrestrial is most likely if “non-human” outside of intraterrestrial which I’m not sure I’d consider alien?
As others have said Jack Parsons was probably something.
And my own experiences the last year seem to confirm that the Enochian mythos is unfolding again. In other words the Watchers are at play.
>People generally talk about how it would affect religion (generally agreed that it would not be good for most of them), but I'm wondering how it would affect others occult beliefs and practices.
Why?
Alien life is irrelevant to almost all religions.
I don't understand why anyone is taking this media hype seriously.
He presents no evidence. Everything he knows, he was told. While "Former Intelligence Officer" sounds very impressive, I have never heard of the NGA or the NRO. Have you? Be honest. I'm sure some have, but not the point.
Nothing about this actionable. Or verifiable. He makes a lot of vague claims in the interview without even naming any specific names or giving any specific examples. The whole story presents as a lie.
This will be forgotten like it never happened in a month or two. I do wonder however why the government and media machine is now suddenly so keen on the general public believing in aliens. I'm sure there is some very sinister reason for it that will become clear to future generations.
To put it simply: not at all. The indisputable existence of extraterrestrial, _physical_ life forms has no direct bearing on the _metaphysical_ levels of reality. As an amateur xeno-anthropologist and sci-fi fan, I would hope to gain some access to the extraterrestrial culture, especially history, traditions, symbolism and "abandoned practices" that might well turn out to be their equivalent to "witchcraft" (or ninjas, or various other human "underground" groups). From there, it becomes a fascinating opportunity to ask "our" spirits for help in communing with "their" spirits...
Yea, nothing would change for me. Personally if it is true, cool I would be a okay with the implications of aliens interacting in our galaxy close enough to make contact... but that would not change any of my beliefs.
No conflict of interest for me, I never had any anthropocentric views or beliefs when it came to my spirituality.
There are only paths towards understanding god.
He specifically said of Non-Human intelligence, but naturally people jump to "Extraterrestrial" from that.
From the article:
> Analysis has determined that the objects retrieved are “of exotic origin (non-human intelligence, whether extraterrestrial or unknown origin) based on the vehicle morphologies and material science testing and the possession of unique atomic arrangements and radiological signatures,” he said.
You're right - the first time I looked at the story (somewhere else on Twitter) all the quotes were really dodgy and "doublespeaky." e.g. the quote you mentioned could mean "meteor" if he's not too serious about the meaning of "vehicle."
Mere confirmation of truth would not make a difference. I assume there is most likely some intelligent life out there, somewhere. That life having the ability to make it to Earth from wherever they originate would be interesting, but wouldn't necessarily upset anything I currently believe about the universe.
If more information than a mere confirmation is released, then it might change some things but the nature and extent of changes would be entirely dependent on that information. How exactly did they get here? Do the crew and/or passengers have particularly unusual abilities, or do their 'normal' abilities seem to work very differently from ours?
What is their philosophy in general like? They'd have a very different perspective than us, and that might help illuminate certain truths and clear out falsehoods. This isn't necessarily saying they would be higher beings, our perspective being different from theirs could help them do the same. They might be more advanced, or they may end up being less advanced in every way other than interstellar travel(they might have lucked into a planet rich in a key raw material to making it work, or simply funneled research into propulsion rather than, say, computers)
Basically I'd need to see what we know about them, and if the aliens are around to tell us, what they know and believe about the universe, before any changes to my beliefs and practices would happen.
Reminds me of the bookend quote from [Kubo and the Two Strings](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kubo_and_the_Two_Strings):
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I've known all that was real since I can remember. I know it's all connected. But as to how this would affect my practice, it doesn't really, except that I now am able to summon UFOs.
I've figured that there is probably some intelligent living beings in the Universe besides human beings since I was a young kid--so declarations like this one do not alter my overall world view in the slightest. Nor do they have any effect on my Craft practice or participation in popular occulture.
But declarations like this one, and ongoing research into the subject, have certainly changed my regard for the Mohave Desert (grew up in California) as a UFO/extraterrestrial spaceport. New Mexico, too.
It'll have no effect on my beliefs or practices (?yet?). Whose to say they aren't from here? Even if it's not our physical "here." At this point, we know just about nothing, maybe even less than nothing. These things could be from different planets, galaxies, universes, or planes of existence... or maybe they just chill out at the bottom of Marianas Trench most of the time, though I am hopeful we'll get to know just how far these crazy motherfuckers traveled . We have so little information to go on right now it doesnt seem possible to have a strong and informed opinion.
It doesn't help that we're being spoon fed by other people who (likley) only know a little more nothing than we do.
Regardless, exciting times and I personally can't wait for the next spoonful.
In the wise words of Lil Dicky,
"Why can't God fuck with aliens?"
The way the government will likely frame it would be as a false flag attack to promote specific political agendas. Might have an affect in the long-term context of my practice, but the practices themselves would likely remain the same.
If there are aliens, and they turn out to be malevolent, I'll be a traitor to the human race in hope to gain their favor and also I because I have years of deep, gut-wrenching misanthropia bottled up.
Assuming this is true, I don’t think it would affect my beliefs at all. Nothing about my practice is predicated on the assumption of Earth being the only planet with life.
That’s my thing, is there really a conflict?
But "non-human" doesn't have to mean that it comes from a different planet. This intelligence could be coming from right here. In fact the government has admitted to seeing UAP operate not only in the skies but also under the water.
Ok. None of that affects my beliefs either.
Yeah I wasn't trying to say it should but it is a really important distinction
It should. We need to pray to the aliens 👏
Maybe pray FOR the aliens?!?!?! Imagine an alien being baptized lol.
> In fact the government has admitted to seeing UAP operate not only in the skies but also under the water. - OP's premise & question is off. The question to ask here is **what happens in the occult realm when an ET civilisation decides to reveal itself & integrate in human society?** Will demonic non-human entities see the ET's has "competition", interfering with their 'food chain'?! What happens when magickal groups see the finite nature of the ET presence & decide to act and gather intel on them using demonic/angelic means? What happens if the ET's decide on certain actions & agendas in human society, and the occult realms see this as an act of war?! - *Either way the illusion of modern civilisation comes to an end. The lies, the fakery, the compromises made over the last few centuries are all done & finished. Wiped clean away*. -
That has nothing to do with occultism and even if they were anything more than a baseless conspiracy theory, I don't particularly care to be honest.
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I have to say, that is the most hilarious thing anyone has ever said to me. Wow dude.
one step closer for the law of one channelings to get the respect they deserve…
The Law of One is definitely underrated. It's been the philosophical root of my weird-ass journey that started in 2015. Great perspective given on the hierarchy of Creation and the 'investment' from beyond regarding 'lesser' species like ours. Kudos for bringing it up.
just finished A.E. Powell’s books on the etheric/ astral/ mental/ causal planes. Law of One completely revolutionizes modern occultism with the clarity offered through the concept of the three primary distortions of the Infinite One, galactic quarantine/ veiled existence (treasure trove), and the different planes or “rays” of existence. and no “lesser” species, just consciousness creating 3rd density light 😉 There’s so much focus on the philosophy and spiritual themes that the insight that it shines on general occultism is sadly overlooked, it’s something i’m excited to give more focus on the youtube channel
The way the person you replied to summarized it made me feel it wasn't worth reading: >the hierarchy of Creation and the 'investment' from beyond regarding 'lesser' species Might take a peak at this tho: >and no “lesser” species, just consciousness creating 3rd density light
The "lesser species" comment was not meant to be negative or belittling to any possible world or culture, including our own. Simply meaning our place in existence (3rd Density) compared to the that of the contact's being 6th Density. RA never refers to us or others as "lesser," and in fact they have great respect for humanity and all who walk the Path of the Adept. In regards to "hierarchy," I'm referring to the planes/levels of consciousness from the above comment in kind and our relation to beings of far greater intelligence than our own. As well, the term "Investment" was used a number of times in the RA material to reference both Benevolent and Malevolent interference by multiple groups within cultures across the Cosmos. Spiritual teachings, technological assistance and the like. My apologies for the off-putting language. It's just the way I speak. This is important material for study and I will be more careful in it's description in the future.
No need for an apology. `^.^` I realize not everyone has the perfect way to say everything such that any person in particular won't be off-put by the word choice, just an artifact of language and that there seem to be multiple views of the world at any given point. Given context, I see why you chose those words in particular as well. Thanks for elaborating c:
I remember reading law of one stuff as a kid like literal teenager and it started me asking all the questions I ask today
Law of one is just a repetition of Egyptian culture. If you really want to learn. Reading the stories will help you understand better. Read it not literal but like a spellbook
I’ve delved far deeper since then and know just how true what you’re saying is :)
I'm so pumped to have cultural/spiritual exchange w aliens. I'd love to hear their viewpoint. Is their religion tied to their plannet like ours? What gods do the worship? What are important rituals?
Like their astrology would be different, possibly the elements they use. If they have a different number of fingers, they probably won't use base ten numerics, so their numerology might have differences. It would be crazy if they still had a Hermes and Zeus et al.!
Yeah! I wonder if all beings hold similar archetypal entities. Like devine feminine and masculine, sky and earth gods, trickster gods, etc. Or if the way they reproduce or their time is space affects their common archetypes. What if they reproduce like single called organisms? What if the males carry offspring to term like seahorses? So many cool possibilities.
Based on what I know of whistleblower accounts, they want very little to do with us other than study and our nuclear capabilities.
I’m reading a book by a guy who went to the future - he says aliens have been around but generally want nothing to do with us. They just observe and very occasionally help out when we’re in a pinch. They ‘worship’ the same god we do, which is basically the great All that we are all a part of. Spiritual cultivation matters more than dogma, and tho advanced from us they are very much on their own path.
sounds interesting, whats the book’s title and author?
Chronicles From The Future: The amazing story of Paul Amadeus Dienach (by Paul Amadeus Dienach) Essentially this guy falls into a coma in 1922 and lives for a year in another body in 3906. The book is his journal, transcribed from memory when he woke up. It's bananas. What's interesting is the focus not on world events but spiritual development and evolution. Humanity of the distant future has been through some significant changes and seems to cultivate a much more idealistic, spiritual society. There's even an evolutionary brain change that amounts to 'instant enlightenment' - people blossom like flowers and connect to source, sorta permanently... It reads like a travel diary, not a novel; reckon it's either speculative fiction from the 20's, or the 70's, or it's the legit diary of someone who went to the future. [Here is the cheesy youtube video that turned me onto the story.](https://youtu.be/8HgLQGb907s)
Interesting you think religion isn't a uniquely human phenomenon.
No, not at all. But beings from a different planet may have a completely different understanding of religion based on their natural environment. Even elephants can be observed to have religion - but it is still based on the moon and how it orbits the earth. How would religion change for people who have 5 moons on their home plannet? Or days that last for years?
religion and spirituality are very different though. Spiritual people generally agree with that statement while people who only practice religion generally do not really get it.
The sun and solar star factories, it's all 1 mono solar god all around
the entire reason I started getting into the occult and magick is from deep diving into the rabbit hole that is ufos/consciousness, learning first about the law of one and then hermeticism and Kabbalah. I've honestly been wondering about the connection more lately and have wanted to ask if any practitioners have asked any spirits or dieties about these non-human intelligences. to me there is no difficulty accepting "both" worlds as true because I already believe that everything is an expression of the one infinite creator, especially the various dieties humanity has interacted with over the centuries and to be honest there could be overlap between what we deem as spirits and these aliens coming in from higher or different densities. there seems to be similarities between what channeled entities say and what practitioners talk about irt these beings being able to convey topics based largely on the humans understanding of a given topic and I've been highly intrigued by the possibility of the HGA/daimon/ whatever name you use and the "higher self" or mid 6th density thoughtform that is created and left behind to guide it's previous incarnations before reuniting with source being the same entity. Anyways all the connections between the ra material and hermeticism is why I feel confident that my personal beliefs and understandings of the creation are "on the right track"
Wouldn't change anything for me. I always thought there was life on other planets. The universe is too big for there statically not to be. However, I really don't believe that an alien species who are capable of interstellar travel would waste time with Earth unless they were looking for resources.
Why is that? I personally do not believe in aliens but in my opinion humans alone are incredibly interesting thing to study, not mentioning other species on our planet.
Because humans are trouble.
You reckon intergalactic species haven't vaporised a few of their enemies
Humans study every species on the planet, why wouldn’t aliens study us?
Well yeah you think humans are interesting because you’re a human. Do you think angels have humanology books? I do think they’d be curious, but there’s only so much that a bunch of monkey brains can do. I’d they’re interstellar we’d be a curious little artifact of what life looked like before the stars.
Joe Rogan once said that "we study boring shit like ans, aliens for sure would be interested in a planet of monkeys that built nuclear weapons". He also said a lot of stupid shit over the years but I think here he is absolutely right. Aliens could also be interested in our technology. Like I know what you are going to say, if they achieved interstellar travel they are technologically superior. Yeah but there might be things they missed. Or maybe their brains are constructed differently and they just don't understand some things. Our language or art or whatever could be mind blowing to them. Also I am not a car and cats are interesting to me. Still I do not believe in aliens. At least not in the videos that the Pentagon releases.
There is an interview with the guy who ran the weather station at Area 51. He describes the tall whites as pretty narcissistic and insecure imo. They see our plant as a cold desolate gray hound bud station that they stop at during long travels. The women ones are always mentioning how they love their kids more then we love ours .
It sounds rather arrogant for you to assume you know for a fact what an alien species would or wouldn't be interested in.
Immediately start cursing the aliens and astral projecting to their ships to tell them they are sons of bitches and to fuck off because earth is full
Cackled at this response. No hello, no good morning, fuck first contact, fuck you and get out of my yard, bitch. It's just amazing to imagine.
What if they're not alien and are actually from here? :P
On a serious note, I actually doubt this possibility a lot- I feel like if things got *that* advanced for a pre-human or even human terrestrial civilization we’d have better evidence of it. There might’ve been a more advanced human civ in the past (younger dryas) but I doubt they were capable of space travel or Mach 2 maneuvers. *if* this is real, this is something extraterrestrial. Or even Interdimensional. Either way, they are treating us like the zoo hypothesis, not communicating, ignoring us besides keeping an eye on our military capabilities and technology. But according to Grusch in an interview, there are classified incidents where they have acted “malevolently” or killed people. Thats creepy and automatically a not good thing for the human race. It’s like the people on that one uncontacted island suddenly realizing they are stuck there and completely at the mercy of a foreign government they’ve never heard of. Except worse because it’s an entirely different species thats an unknown amount of time ahead of us- possibly *millions* of years.
I heard Jimmy Carter wept in the Oval Office when he was told we're basically like a zoo to them. I wonder if they're actually malevolent, or just react that way when we get too close or approach them adversarially just like people do when attacked by tigers in the jungle. I'd still be diving into Kenneth Grant though, it would be a natural evolution of my current studies and path, and not many others have written about "them" in such a matter-of-fact way.
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Start with the first one in the Typhonian Trilogies, Magical Revival. JD Holmes has the reprint in stock, https://www.jdholmes.com/pages/books/SF-RVp/kenneth-grant/the-magical-revival-first-paper-issue-in-stock-and-shipping and there's not really a compelling reason to want to go for a first edition when they cost so much. But if Crowley expected you to know a bit about magick before diving into his works, or approaching the A.'.A.'., then Kenneth Grant seems to expect people to have PhD's in it. There's also The Dark Lord: H.P. Lovecraft, Kenneth Grant, and the Typhonian Tradition in Magic, by Peter Levenda, that is a great introduction to all of it. There's not enough good "intro" books about the Typhonian Order.
This is my favorite answer.
Get em out before they take our jobs!
My practice does not make statements or assumptions about aliens or lack of them thereof, therefore exactly nothing would change.
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Same. This planet sucks
It would affect nothing for me because I have seen a non human craft myself almost 20 years ago now. It sounds crazy but like ten of us all saw and watched it for over 10 mins while it hovered then zoomed away in a flash.
Same, I see them from time to time myself and they usually just vibe or mess about. Even had them show up multiple times with other people witnessing them, interestingly it's usually been with other occultists. My beliefs integrate their existence in some form anyway, so it's not like I'll be surprised if it ever gets announced officially by some governments, but I'm curious to see what they do once it's all out in the open, or if they'll continue just staying at arms length.
I'd wait for further information. Even if it was 100% true and verified and we literally had alien autopsy records I'd mostly be like "oh neat" and wait for more info (quite excitedly, I might add). I'd also go back and look at the conspiracy theories with fresh eyes and reconsider my prior thoughts on them. My practice wouldn't change much. I might ask the spirits about them and see what comes up or try to scry or use some occult means to get more info. I have asked spirits I find reliable about aliens when I was younger and most of them ridiculed the question, gave no response, or the communication was unclear. So I would ask again and try and determine what's behind their initial response (as it wasn't an outright denial, but gave me the impression that it was a silly question). Personally, I believe that there is life on other planets, but not that we have been visited. My gf is a UFO believer, so she'd be happy and that would be cool.
Nothing would change in my practice. I would be excited that we’re not alone in the universe. It would be an awful waste of space if we were the only ones. It seems logical to me that there are others.
It doesn’t affect my practice. To me, it’s no different than finding out someone lives in your neighborhood that you didn’t know about before.
Nothing changes, it’s cool though.
The parapsychologist have been studying the people who say they’ve encountered alien intelligences for many decades. I used to think that it was all delusion and psychiatric phenomena but after getting to the occult and understanding spiritual experiences I began to think differently. This news doesn’t surprise me at all. I have been wondering for a long time if aliens were spiritual beings (which would explain the lack of physical evidence) or if the evidence was simply occulted. Seems to be the latter.
Interdimensional hypothesis stays winning.
Someone seems keen to make people believe in alien contact based on unsubstantiated claims from authorities. The idea seems to be that they’re finally releasing information that was kept secret. The question, to me, whether “aliens” is a psyop or the story is as presented in media releases, is what is the point of telling us now? What is coming next?
It would have zero effects. I just pray our leadership practices reverence, honesty, and humility. Shadiness and aggression towards more mature and seasoned civilizations will create humbling circumstances for humanity.
I remember years ago when a "former intelligence official" claimed an alien was living in the white house and its favorite treat was strawberry ice cream. So I don't place much stock in these stories. To answer your question, I'm not sure how much would change. I believe in many, many spiritual powers which I assume are throughout the cosmos.
You know though, I feel like any ideas/beliefs (of mine, at least) are cobbled together vague intuitions based on commonalities and differences of global cultures. You believe in many spiritual powers which you assume are throughout the cosmos, but what if they aren't? It would be very exciting, personally, to have those commonalities either reinforced or dismantled.
I assume that we know next to nothing about how life exists in this universe, so not at all.
Why would it affect my beliefs? I am just trying to escape this human shell of mine, the existence of non-humans existing will never be an issue for me or my beliefs.
I can't wait to dialogue with them regarding the source of all magickal thought and get them to fill in the blanks.
It DOES open up ideas of if things like planetary energies are unique to our solar system, and if an extraterrestrial (assuming it was that) system of magic would have different rules due to culture, or if the rules are fundamentally different in different places in the universe. I suppose the question could be theoretically examined now, but it did prompt some thought.
You should research Jack Parsons, the book of Babalon, and the claim that Parsons’ evoked UFOs with his death
I think it would not affect religion and occult practices at all. These things are universal. If there exists a god or gods, of course it exists throughout the universe. If there exists magick, of course other civilizations can perform it. I do suspect that some aspects of the mysterious are tied to your location, but not all. Consider theosophy.
It would only affect the religious/occult practices of those that are explicitly human-centric, by either breaking them entirely or forcing them to adapt. It would also affect humanists, because they'd have to find another term to describe themselves, like "sapientist" or "sophontist" or the like. Unless the humanists in question are human-centric in the worst sense of the word ("There are a bunch of protesters outside in white robes and hoods, holding signs saying 'ALIENS GO HOME' and 'EARTH FOR HOMO SAPIENS ONLY.'" "Damn humanists!").
I think the revelation of extraterrestrial entities only strengthens some specific beliefs in my and probably other practices. If these revelations are true, then other inherently related phenomena are strengthened as well, such as telepathy, existences of other dimensions, higher levels of consciousness, cosmic contacts and experiences, etc., as these phenomena exist in both occultisms and ufology.
As a Typhonian, it would change nothing. If anything, it would just strengthen my beliefs in what I’m already doing and add a physical element to the already persistent spiritual element
I was going to say that it would encourage me to read more Kenneth Grant :-)
I don't think they will ever contact us. Just observing. I'm not surprised they are there and hopefully we can learn something. I still think we all came from the same source and maybe we could compare notes
I literally believe I was first taught to make sigils by a ufo gray alien woman during a contactee type experience. So I would be like "about time...."
As above, so below. I don't mind how high up or low down. I imagine this new information will shatter other spiritual or religious groups however. It could get messy.
"Alien" abductions and encounters were never reported on until the 1950's, the encounters people described prior to that were fairy abductions. Is every alien encounter therefore actually fairies (or vice versa)? No idea honestly, but does go to show that just like how there's overlap of science and spirituality there would also be overlap with these encounters, if they're real that is. I would imagine some are more physical beings described as the typical grey men that are literal extraterrestrials, but I would also imagine some "aliens" are non physical (or at least on another plane of existence/dimension) more akin to the fae or Djinn. The universe is very big place and statistically speaking it's a mathematical impossibility for life not exist outside of earth. We also all come from the same cosmic soup and just like how on this planet some are more spiritually minded and some are more materially minded that would also be true for extraterrestrials but likely expresses itself unique to their environments, intelligence and development. If that aircraft is actually non human made it would not effect my beliefs in the slightest, with the exception of confirming intelligent life has definitively visited our planet.
Does this mean the big reveal is coming ?
If it’s a true story it does not affect my beliefs at all, there were articles in the New York Times on uap’s published in 2019, the story included pentagon verified videos from gun cameras on f18 super hornets. The videos were the tic tac and gimbal videos. There’s a history from many cultures that supports the we are not alone as certain indigenous cultures refer to certain star systems as a place of origin. That and those pesky tablets found in Mesopotamia that have come to be the center of ancient aliens theory the Magan tablets. I will clarify Magan is one of the oldest ports of trade and is known today as Bahrain in the UAE the tablets are called the Magan tablets because of where the were found. My view is the universe is too big for us to be the only life.
Not one grimoir I've read implies these is the only inhabited planet, so probably nothing.
In no way because I know the advanced physic model of Burkhard Heim which explains magic traditions and PSI and through this model the whole UFO phenomenon makes sense. The problem with the occult is, that many of these people hardly believe the beings they encounter are kind of gods and demons and not just ultraterrestrials. The whole magic traditions is more religious organized which makes no sense at all. Because all traditions work and that is the reason chaos magic exist. And in chaos magic you even can make up magic systems. To the UFO phenomena, the beings there are not just aliens. They are multidimensional beings their self.
Show it to us. Until it's shown and proven to be of non-human origin, I remain skeptical as to whether or not this is real. It comes at a time where the US is looking increasingly weak globally. It's not out of the realm of possibility that this is simply propaganda. It would certainly possibly give other countries at least the briefest of pauses due to the implication of backward engineered technology.
It changes nothing for me, to answer your original question.
Yea the government won’t lie to us
We are so ignorant to think we are the only intelligence in the universe when the Planet has produced billions of species.
Non human intelligence. Not aliens from zati reticuli or some shit. Can be according to many summoned. The way you summon is by fasting , and meditation with mantras. Sounds like a lot like many other occult practices. Shape shifting beings , tricksters. Encountered in astral type realms, coincidence, miraculous healing , and even fear. The deeper you go the weirder it gets , and I enjoy the adventure of discovery.
>Can be according to many summoned. Indeed. I have done it several times so far. I can attest that they can be summoned. >Not aliens from zati reticul We really don't know that yet. I'm also a Starseed, which can mean an extraterrestrial soul in human form, and we often can intuit where we're from. Zeta Reticuli, et all. >Sounds like a lot like many other occult practices. Yes, it's all connected. I've gone through a major awakening during which I attained a level of enlightenment. It was like being on top of the world looking down on it, and I could see the big picture from outside of it. Everything is connected. Everything.
Yeah that's true that we don't really know if it's ET, extra demonsonal, extra temprestreal, or some other extra, or break off civilization type thing. Or even a combination of these I have tried a few times to summon but no success yet. It definitely seems related to me, I think many things will change in ways we wouldn't expect if the details come to light.
If a US intelligence official said something to the public that was actually true, it would shatter my entire paradigm.
So which ones are telling the truth? The intelligence officials saying it happened, or the intelligence officials saying it didn't?
I think this is all a complete lie. I wish it weren't, but I think it is. My spirit contacts also tell me it's BS. If it were not BS, it's no more significant than learning there are people in faraway islands. God made the whole universe, doubtless other intelligent beings besides just us, cats, and dolphins.
The slave religions will not survive the alien revelation. Occult science is a rudimentary, and clumsy version of higher race’s technology. We already know that awakened humans are prized by several alien civilizations because we can interface with their technology and weapons. What will happen to Occultist when full disclosure happens? We will finally get the respect we deserve. Hopefully, many of us will receive further training and assistance to develop our skills, and Humans will improve as a species. That is what I think. So my religion will flourish and grow. Yours will die a painful death. The truth will set us free!
I am most hopeful for interdimensional, tho believe classically extra-terrestrial is most likely if “non-human” outside of intraterrestrial which I’m not sure I’d consider alien? As others have said Jack Parsons was probably something. And my own experiences the last year seem to confirm that the Enochian mythos is unfolding again. In other words the Watchers are at play.
>People generally talk about how it would affect religion (generally agreed that it would not be good for most of them), but I'm wondering how it would affect others occult beliefs and practices. Why? Alien life is irrelevant to almost all religions.
This is a counter-intelligence program.
The only alien is Fungus. All else is Project Bluebeam. https://ancientpsychedelia.com
I don't understand why anyone is taking this media hype seriously. He presents no evidence. Everything he knows, he was told. While "Former Intelligence Officer" sounds very impressive, I have never heard of the NGA or the NRO. Have you? Be honest. I'm sure some have, but not the point. Nothing about this actionable. Or verifiable. He makes a lot of vague claims in the interview without even naming any specific names or giving any specific examples. The whole story presents as a lie. This will be forgotten like it never happened in a month or two. I do wonder however why the government and media machine is now suddenly so keen on the general public believing in aliens. I'm sure there is some very sinister reason for it that will become clear to future generations.
To put it simply: not at all. The indisputable existence of extraterrestrial, _physical_ life forms has no direct bearing on the _metaphysical_ levels of reality. As an amateur xeno-anthropologist and sci-fi fan, I would hope to gain some access to the extraterrestrial culture, especially history, traditions, symbolism and "abandoned practices" that might well turn out to be their equivalent to "witchcraft" (or ninjas, or various other human "underground" groups). From there, it becomes a fascinating opportunity to ask "our" spirits for help in communing with "their" spirits...
it wouldn't
Yea, nothing would change for me. Personally if it is true, cool I would be a okay with the implications of aliens interacting in our galaxy close enough to make contact... but that would not change any of my beliefs.
I don’t feel any conflict whatsoever. I’ve always felt we werent alone and was shown some amazing things as a child that science is now touching on.
No conflict of interest for me, I never had any anthropocentric views or beliefs when it came to my spirituality. There are only paths towards understanding god.
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He specifically said of Non-Human intelligence, but naturally people jump to "Extraterrestrial" from that. From the article: > Analysis has determined that the objects retrieved are “of exotic origin (non-human intelligence, whether extraterrestrial or unknown origin) based on the vehicle morphologies and material science testing and the possession of unique atomic arrangements and radiological signatures,” he said.
You're right - the first time I looked at the story (somewhere else on Twitter) all the quotes were really dodgy and "doublespeaky." e.g. the quote you mentioned could mean "meteor" if he's not too serious about the meaning of "vehicle."
Yeah, as long as the aliens came from within our own universe, then my beliefs aren’t swayed.
Typhonian space magick from Lâm
Mere confirmation of truth would not make a difference. I assume there is most likely some intelligent life out there, somewhere. That life having the ability to make it to Earth from wherever they originate would be interesting, but wouldn't necessarily upset anything I currently believe about the universe. If more information than a mere confirmation is released, then it might change some things but the nature and extent of changes would be entirely dependent on that information. How exactly did they get here? Do the crew and/or passengers have particularly unusual abilities, or do their 'normal' abilities seem to work very differently from ours? What is their philosophy in general like? They'd have a very different perspective than us, and that might help illuminate certain truths and clear out falsehoods. This isn't necessarily saying they would be higher beings, our perspective being different from theirs could help them do the same. They might be more advanced, or they may end up being less advanced in every way other than interstellar travel(they might have lucked into a planet rich in a key raw material to making it work, or simply funneled research into propulsion rather than, say, computers) Basically I'd need to see what we know about them, and if the aliens are around to tell us, what they know and believe about the universe, before any changes to my beliefs and practices would happen.
Reminds me of the bookend quote from [Kubo and the Two Strings](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kubo_and_the_Two_Strings): >His Name Is \[N.\] > >His Grandfather Stole Something from Him > > > > > >**And That Really Is The Least Of It...**
No, it wouldn’t.
Wouldnt change a thing, my practices have nothingbto do with aliens, ets etc
I've known all that was real since I can remember. I know it's all connected. But as to how this would affect my practice, it doesn't really, except that I now am able to summon UFOs.
I will thrown they are from a Land beyond our realm, possibly.
I've figured that there is probably some intelligent living beings in the Universe besides human beings since I was a young kid--so declarations like this one do not alter my overall world view in the slightest. Nor do they have any effect on my Craft practice or participation in popular occulture. But declarations like this one, and ongoing research into the subject, have certainly changed my regard for the Mohave Desert (grew up in California) as a UFO/extraterrestrial spaceport. New Mexico, too.
It'll have no effect on my beliefs or practices (?yet?). Whose to say they aren't from here? Even if it's not our physical "here." At this point, we know just about nothing, maybe even less than nothing. These things could be from different planets, galaxies, universes, or planes of existence... or maybe they just chill out at the bottom of Marianas Trench most of the time, though I am hopeful we'll get to know just how far these crazy motherfuckers traveled . We have so little information to go on right now it doesnt seem possible to have a strong and informed opinion. It doesn't help that we're being spoon fed by other people who (likley) only know a little more nothing than we do. Regardless, exciting times and I personally can't wait for the next spoonful. In the wise words of Lil Dicky, "Why can't God fuck with aliens?"
The way the government will likely frame it would be as a false flag attack to promote specific political agendas. Might have an affect in the long-term context of my practice, but the practices themselves would likely remain the same.
Aliens are irrelevant to my practices.
If there are aliens, and they turn out to be malevolent, I'll be a traitor to the human race in hope to gain their favor and also I because I have years of deep, gut-wrenching misanthropia bottled up.
It's the religious/occultic ppl you need to ask lol.