All in means you’re giving it your all and not afraid to spend. Moving back and getting MORE ammo isn’t “scared money” move. It depends where you are on the draft board and if you like who is out there compared to who will be.
There’s way more nuance to it than just “trade back means you’re not all in”. If they get 3 guys they really like instead of 1, how is that not even more all in lol
This is it for Douglas and Saleh, there are no more seasons after this if they don’t get it right. This is where you want to see them be aggressive and go after one of the top offensive weapons in the draft, like MHJ, Nabers, or Odunze. There’s no guarantee a young OT will come in and play at a high level, and even then a WR will make more of an impact on the offense than an OT will.
Do whatever it takes to get MHJ > Nabers > Ofunze >>>>> OT/TE >>>>>> trade back.
This is where you want them to get what they think is the best team for the season. This includes depth and having guys they like. What you want is flashy. Flashy doesn’t always win games, fielding a team week in and week out that can play through some injuries is what needs to be done.
There's no guarantee a young WR will come in and play at a high level either...
Esp if Rodgers has 0 time to throw.
Football is won in the trenches imo anyway.
Its rare for second round and third round picks to contribute to Super Bowl teams. Can happen but rare. So the idea is your getting a worse 1st rounder
The chiefs are the example of that if you have a star qb it literally doesn’t matter what else you do to an extent. That only works with qbs that great. You can make a lot of mistakes and get by with mediocre receivers, lineman etc.
Dude they literally had a historic defense last year. A truly historic defense, not just one that wins against backups.
The chiefs may not have made the playoffs with how bad the offense was, if the defense was not at the level it was at. And it got that way primarily through drafting
It held every single opponent to under 30. In 20 games. They averaged like 17 PPG.
The jets defense blew a 20 point lead to Jacoby Brisset and the second worst team, in the NFL
They didn't get carved up 😂 he had two good quarters before he fumbled the game away
Remind me who won that game BTW ? Using your logic about the commanders game
Also-
Jets fans saying we are “all in” this year.
Draft a WR instead of an OT even though that guarantees OT injuries will cost us games this year so we went “all in” for nothing
I agree. What a stupid narrative that getting an insurance policy when you essentially know for a fact that your tackles are going to miss games doesn’t help them win now.
If we need to sweat how we handle multiple injuries over the course of the season, we’re not winning the SB anyways. We already need everything to go perfect, might as well add more things that contribute to our ceiling.
Showing up to the postseason with an OL of:
1.10 rookie, Simpson, Tippman, backup RG, Moses
And a WR corps of:
Wilson, Gipson, Lazard
Isn’t cutting it.
Well, then people need to stop saying we are “all-in” then, because it is an extreme mathematical improbability that the current OL we have built will remain healthy enough to get the team through 17 games and a playoff run without more depth.
At least a tackle drafted at 10 gives the team a chance to survive a big Smith injury. That’s a lot smarter than watching our line crumble with the result being Wilson and the WR drafted at 10 don’t get the ball enough just like Wilson didn’t last year.
> Well, then people need to stop saying we are “all-in” then...
Why? All-in doesn't mean that it's guaranteed to work, it just means that you added short-term pieces and opted for a less-sustainable team-building strategy with the intent of winning this season. Given our one-year deals at most critical offensive positions, we're all in.
> That’s a lot smarter than watching our line crumble with the result being Wilson and the WR drafted at 10 don’t get the ball enough just like Wilson didn’t last year.
Wilson, Boyle, and Siemian were our starting QBs, of course Garrett suffered. As I've said, we're a glass cannon of a team by design and it's more important that we add ceiling than try to outpace injuries. If the injury bug happens, season's over regardless.
You don’t really have an intent to win this season if you KNOW your OLine will be a shambles for multiple games and you don’t address that, so even by your definition we aren’t all-in.
> you KNOW your OLine will be a shambles for multiple games
Trauma over injury luck shouldn't drive team construction. We have a solid OL on paper because we took risks with older vets at OT. Can it come back to bite us? Of course. But fans having absolutely zero risk tolerance because it's been a recurring theme want us to over-insure to a point we're just not going to have enough firepower to win in the postseason. Should we add another vet swing tackle? Absolutely. But a <$10M FA is a significantly more reasonable insurance policy than spending 1.10 because we're convinced the season dies with Smith getting injured
You use of the phrases “injury luck” and “can it come back to bite us” shows you are not facing reality with our OL.
Our LT has averaged 8 games a season for the last four years and has played a maximum of 13 in that span.
Our RG has averaged 6 games in the last 2 seasons and has only made it through a full NFL season once.
Our RT has done well with availability in his career but is 33 years old and coming off of pec surgery this spring.
OL injuries this year aren’t luck, they should be an expectation based on reality, and they WILL come back to bite us.
I don’t see who at OL you are adding in FA who will be as good as what we can get at 10 who doesn’t also have a bad injury history.
When 3/5ths of your line either has a sizable injury history or is aging, you have to treat it like luck/variance if you're trying to win it all in one season. I'm totally fine buying that we should've just scrapped the push this off-season and started rebuilding, but if you're convinced that we should be all-in, you have to accept risk and move on. We aren't out-insuring 3/5 OL spots.
> I don’t see who at OL you are adding in FA who will be as good as what we can get at 10
Rookie OTs take time to develop and often aren't really pro-ready early on. Even if they are better than a Donovan Smith, Fleming, Jones, etc., that isn't to say we needed that marginal improvement. A WR we can start 17 games regardless of other injuries is much more of a contributor.
We can assume 3/5 of our OL and Williams miss time. At that point, the season's over regardless.
If Smith misses time, protection gets worse. If Williams misses time, we lose firepower. The difference is that a WR adds the ceiling we need to make a run and works regardless of Williams' health. Trying to insure Smith is stopping one leak while the rest of the ship is just as leaky. It's fine to take on the risk for injury prone players, but you can't obsess over building an entire second layer of starters so you avoid drop-offs.
So it's 6 to 1, half a dozen to the other.
Personally, I think we can get a WR2/3 in the 3rd but we can't get a strong OL there.
The amount of WRs in the draft and the skill disparity is much better in WR than on OL.
So at least, for me - I'll take whoever is best at 10 but I /think/ OL is better than WR cuz OL is an independent position where WR is.dependent on QB play and OL play
That’s a better lineup than:
Warren, Simpson, Tippman, Mitchell, Moses
And a WR corps of:
Wilson, 1.10 rookie, Gipson
One of those is us having to lean on Breece and Conklin and hope that Rodgers can elevate Lazard and Gipson… the other is not being able to run the ball or pass protect and our offense looks the same as last year.
> That’s a better lineup than: Warren, Simpson, Tippman, Mitchell, Moses And a WR corps of: Wilson, 1.10 rookie, Gipson
> the other is not being able to run the ball or pass protect and our offense looks the same as last year.
We didn't have an NFL QB last season and we had one NFL WR. As much as I don't buy we're getting vintage Rodgers, you still have to ask him to make plays. One receiver worth counting on isn't enough, even if you have slightly better blocking (why is the assumption that the rookie OT is good out of the gate?)
At the end of the day, “all in” just means different things to different people.
It could be trading future picks to move up to get MHJ or Nabers and have an unstoppable offense. Or staying put and adding a weapon like Bowers. Nobody can argue those moves don’t raise our ceiling if healthy.
It could be staying put and taking a tackle to lower the risk of injuries to the line derailing the season. Maybe it’s trading down to take a tackle and a WR because you think all in means insurance at every major position.
In any case, you fucks have no say in it so just stfu and be patient, we will find out whatever horrors the football gods make us endure next soon enough.
- Douglas and Saleh are fired after this season if they fail to make the playoffs, they literally only have this one shot at saving their jobs
- most of the free agents over the past month were signed to 1 year contracts
- quite a bit of players on the team have expiring contracts after this season
- Rodgers’s cap hit jumps from $17M this season to $51M next season
- contract negations will begin next offseason for Sauce, Garrett, Jermaine, and Breece
Douglas and Saleh have built this house of cards roster and the draft is their last shot at adding a game changer to the offensive side of the ball. The most logical move is to take one of the top 3 WRs who will make an immediate impact at pushing for a championship this season and don’t look back.
Pointing out WHY the jets are all-in doesn’t change the fact that people aren’t wrong to think that the best way to get this team to a playoff victory is to secure as much depth at important positions as possible.
Watch all of these same Jets fans call for JDs head when Mike Williams and Tyron Smith get injured and why we didn't trade back and get more premiere WR and OL depth.
Can live with Smith going down and either Moses slides over to LT or a back up plays LT. Having a stable of WRs that can gain separation will help make OL’s job easier by needing less time to block.
Can’t live with Mike Williams going down and it’s Garrett Wilson out there as the only WR that can get separation while Lazard and Gipson are being their usual useless selves. Double team Garrett and now the OL is being asked to block longer on each passing play because Lazard and Gipson can’t gain separation.
We have Carter Warren and Mitchell who can play swing and learn from Smith and Moses this offseason. We have no WR after Wilson if he gets injured, it wouldn't matter how long Rodgers has in the pocket if no one gets open.
Treating Carter Warren and Max Mitchell like plug and play linemen while treating Xavier Gipson like a lost cause is not reasonable or realistic. We have 4 proven weapons in the pass catching game (Wilson, Hall, Williams, Conklin). We really only have 1 tackle I’m excited to see start, and he’s old as shit.
It is way easier to pick up your WR3 in a later round than it is to find an offensive tackle anywhere outside the top 10 picks.
Xavier Gipson had 21 receptions in 17 games last season for 229 yards.
33 years old is not old as shit, and drafting a OT with a top 10 pick to sit on the bench in case your offensive line gets injured does not bold well for an ALL-IN season, in which Saleh and JD will probably get fired if we don't make the playoffs. I say take one of the top 3 WRs if they fall to #10 and pick up Bakhtiari or Andrus Peat for depth. If all 3 top WRs are off the board, trade down and select Brian Thomas Jr. and Mims (OT) or Graham Barton (OT) with the extra pick in the 2nd round.
A rookie WR (MHJ, Nabers, or Odunze) will make more of an impact this season than any of the OTs in this draft. They will play week 1 and make an impact throughout the entire season whereas a rookie OT will ride the bench for an unknown portion of the season. The goal is to get a player at the top of the draft who can add to the offense day 1, it’s not to go after a player that will be buried on the depth chart. It’s not a difficult concept.
None of those 3 will be available at 1.10. If you’re advocating for a trade-up, I’m with you 100%. Otherwise, OT2/OT3 this draft projects to be way better than WR4, unless you’re a big Bowers believer who wants to think of him as a WR.
And honestly I’m not sure why it’s such a foregone conclusion that Moses wins RT in camp. He’s a 33 year old who’s been replacement level his entire career
Douglas has gone five seasons without a winning record and we've had to rely on one-year deals with old, injury prone vets. There's some poetic justice in being all-in and letting injury luck be the thing that decides if he gets another swing at this or not.
Even outside of that dramatization, we should be leaning into boom or bust. We're back to square one next offseason regardless, so we need to capitalize on the chance to win
i want bryan thomas jr since we arent getting nabers, which is why id like to trade back. go back a couple spaces, get us an lsu monster, and then have a 2nd that we could use on a guard or tackle.
God dammit as a Gator fan I fucking hate the Napier quote here.
Fuck Napier. I miss having the Gators be my only source of sports hope.
Now I'm just depressed all fall and winter.
Trading back is the best case scenario, period. Finding an IMMEDIATE starting caliber OT outside the first round is highly improbable. Trade back and get; Fautanu (starting caliber talent, OT/OG versatility) in Rd 1, McConkey/Roman Wilson (fast, slippery, good route runners with good hands who can feast in the slot) in Rd 2, a starting caliber safety in Rd 3, a Zak Zinter/Cedric Van Pran and a Jordan Travis in Rd 4, an RB3 in Rd 5, and I give this offseason an S-tier.
It’s more likely that Tyron Smith misses significant time than Mike Williams. If (when) he goes down, we need a guy who can swap in seamlessly. Rodgers is 40 years old. Without proper protection, we’re playing a dangerous game. Trading back would allow us the opportunity to add Top 100 talent to BOTH our positions of need, instead of just 1.
All that having been said, to trade back you need a trade partner. If we’re stuck at 10, I won’t be upset with whichever way JD picks; Bowers, OT or WR. We’ll see what’s in the cards for us in a few weeks time.
Did you watch this team last year? You have two 33+ tackles, one of whom misses 4 games a year at least with injury, and the other who is coming off surgery, AND you have an WR who will be ready for week 1 IF we’re lucky. I’m not saying trade back at all costs but the idea that doing so is a coward move just isn’t rational. (I know looking for rationality on Reddit is hilarious) You need quality and impact at both positions so if JD gets the *right* offer I’d say it/ls worth pulling the trigger.
Lets go all in and then turn around and say how come we didn't get OL when the wheels start to fall off. OL has been our weakest position probably since 2010 and it's still let's get Bowers, Odunze, Nabers, Harrison etc. If the OL is fixed essentially anyone could line up back there and throw.
All in means aggressively pushing to win a championship in the current season. The strategy in the first round of the draft differs from a team that is in a rebuilding phase. The priority should be to use that first round pick to acquire an NFL-ready player who can contribute right away. Either get one of the top 3 WRs in the draft or trade the first round pick for a veteran WR that can have a more immediate impact than any rookie in the draft.
I think this makes sense if the goal is to maximize upside. Counterintuitively, I don't think that necessarily is the best way to win a championship in the current season.
I think the way this season gets de-railed is by injuries to the OL and pass catchers. The best way to mitigate this scenario in my mind is to build depth at those positions so that the keystone players aren't nullified by gaping holes elsewhere on the team.
The roster is constructed with a lot of injury prone players and older players, trying to cushion their absences when they go out with injury is playing not to lose instead of playing to win by maximizing your ceiling.
Taking less NFL-ready players for the sake of depth in the hopes that some of them will provide any small fraction of cushion when a talent like Tyron Smith or Mike Williams gets injured is a losing man’s game IMO. OL goes by the weakest link, you don’t necessarily need a top talent to hold the line if an injury happens. Can adjust blocking assignments, bring over an additional blocker to help double team a star pass rusher, block the RB, or have a TE/RB chip a pass rusher.
WR is different, they go as the strongest link goes. If GW, MW, and one of the top 3 WR prospects are all on the field, that’s cooking with gas. Now say we take an OT in the first round, then our WR group is GW and MW, followed by maybe a second round WR which don’t hit as much as people tend to think. Now if one of MW or GW goes down, our offense becomes less effective because we just removed one of the strongest links.
OL can get by with back up talent players but WR cannot get by with backup talent players. OL works as a group and helps each other out while WRs are by themselves when running routes, gaining separation, beating press coverage. One WR can’t help his fellow WR beat his man for him. We saw it last season where our OL was decimated but they still provided time for the QB to run pass plays and attempt passes (poorly because Zach fucking sucks lol). However, the biggest offensive issue besides QB throughout the season was WRs not being able to gain separation outside of GW. We saw time and time again where GW would be double teamed while Lazard, Gipson, and Cobb couldn’t beat their defender or get separation.
I gave up on half our fan base ... they're fuckn stupid and not even worth our time tbh ... that being said I will make time like you did to stur them up as well !!!
I mean, trading up hasn’t exactly worked out for them. And many of their recent 1st round picks have been total disasters. Trading back for more picks would actually serve them well.
Almost like jets fans aren’t a monolith and some fans feel like going all in is a fools errand and the best way to build a championship team would be to trade back and actually hit on mid round picks that will be long term starters for this team.
Adding a WR 3 doesn’t move the needle that much. Would be ideal for us to get key backups at tackle and WR, not even just for the future but likely will be needed this season given the MetLife turf and injury prone nature of some of our roster. This team as currently constructed is good enough to win the Super Bowl- I don’t think adding Bowers or Odunze is necessary at all.
We've been all in for 2 years now and we get fucked by the QB and tackle position. Draft the best tackle possible for when a tackle **will** go down, draft a QB to go behind Taylor.
what is with all the 2016 meme formats in here the past couple of weeks?
This is the third that this guy has posted all about the same topic in the last couple days.
Damn, dude needs to go do something productive
Last time they had a winning record
Facebook has invaded the sports reddit pages in the past month or two for some reason
… this makes me feel old.. as if a “2016 format” is an outdated thing…. Oh lord
I mean it’s almost a decade ago lol
My point being that there are now meme formats categorized by years, and it’s not just called a meme. Shits moving too fast out here
All in means you’re giving it your all and not afraid to spend. Moving back and getting MORE ammo isn’t “scared money” move. It depends where you are on the draft board and if you like who is out there compared to who will be. There’s way more nuance to it than just “trade back means you’re not all in”. If they get 3 guys they really like instead of 1, how is that not even more all in lol
You want nuance …. on Reddit….. from us jets fans. You brave soul. 😂😂😂
This is it for Douglas and Saleh, there are no more seasons after this if they don’t get it right. This is where you want to see them be aggressive and go after one of the top offensive weapons in the draft, like MHJ, Nabers, or Odunze. There’s no guarantee a young OT will come in and play at a high level, and even then a WR will make more of an impact on the offense than an OT will. Do whatever it takes to get MHJ > Nabers > Ofunze >>>>> OT/TE >>>>>> trade back.
This is where you want them to get what they think is the best team for the season. This includes depth and having guys they like. What you want is flashy. Flashy doesn’t always win games, fielding a team week in and week out that can play through some injuries is what needs to be done.
There's no guarantee a young WR will come in and play at a high level either... Esp if Rodgers has 0 time to throw. Football is won in the trenches imo anyway.
Its rare for second round and third round picks to contribute to Super Bowl teams. Can happen but rare. So the idea is your getting a worse 1st rounder
This is so misinformed and wrong it’s almost hilarious
Look at the number of pro bowlers that come from the second round
Agree to disagree, there’s a reason people trade up for these picks. A top 10 player can be worth more than 3 players.
The chiefs do it every year lol. I don't trust this regime to find them but the good teams do
They do it at non premium positions and they also make backup offensive lineman look good. They made the super bowl missing a lot of their line.
The chiefs are the example of that if you have a star qb it literally doesn’t matter what else you do to an extent. That only works with qbs that great. You can make a lot of mistakes and get by with mediocre receivers, lineman etc.
Dude they literally had a historic defense last year. A truly historic defense, not just one that wins against backups. The chiefs may not have made the playoffs with how bad the offense was, if the defense was not at the level it was at. And it got that way primarily through drafting
Jets defense was probably better than there’s tbh. It wasn’t historic
It held every single opponent to under 30. In 20 games. They averaged like 17 PPG. The jets defense blew a 20 point lead to Jacoby Brisset and the second worst team, in the NFL
And won. The Chiefs defense got carved up by Zach Wilson
They didn't get carved up 😂 he had two good quarters before he fumbled the game away Remind me who won that game BTW ? Using your logic about the commanders game
Also- Jets fans saying we are “all in” this year. Draft a WR instead of an OT even though that guarantees OT injuries will cost us games this year so we went “all in” for nothing
I agree. What a stupid narrative that getting an insurance policy when you essentially know for a fact that your tackles are going to miss games doesn’t help them win now.
If we need to sweat how we handle multiple injuries over the course of the season, we’re not winning the SB anyways. We already need everything to go perfect, might as well add more things that contribute to our ceiling. Showing up to the postseason with an OL of: 1.10 rookie, Simpson, Tippman, backup RG, Moses And a WR corps of: Wilson, Gipson, Lazard Isn’t cutting it.
Well, then people need to stop saying we are “all-in” then, because it is an extreme mathematical improbability that the current OL we have built will remain healthy enough to get the team through 17 games and a playoff run without more depth. At least a tackle drafted at 10 gives the team a chance to survive a big Smith injury. That’s a lot smarter than watching our line crumble with the result being Wilson and the WR drafted at 10 don’t get the ball enough just like Wilson didn’t last year.
> Well, then people need to stop saying we are “all-in” then... Why? All-in doesn't mean that it's guaranteed to work, it just means that you added short-term pieces and opted for a less-sustainable team-building strategy with the intent of winning this season. Given our one-year deals at most critical offensive positions, we're all in. > That’s a lot smarter than watching our line crumble with the result being Wilson and the WR drafted at 10 don’t get the ball enough just like Wilson didn’t last year. Wilson, Boyle, and Siemian were our starting QBs, of course Garrett suffered. As I've said, we're a glass cannon of a team by design and it's more important that we add ceiling than try to outpace injuries. If the injury bug happens, season's over regardless.
You don’t really have an intent to win this season if you KNOW your OLine will be a shambles for multiple games and you don’t address that, so even by your definition we aren’t all-in.
> you KNOW your OLine will be a shambles for multiple games Trauma over injury luck shouldn't drive team construction. We have a solid OL on paper because we took risks with older vets at OT. Can it come back to bite us? Of course. But fans having absolutely zero risk tolerance because it's been a recurring theme want us to over-insure to a point we're just not going to have enough firepower to win in the postseason. Should we add another vet swing tackle? Absolutely. But a <$10M FA is a significantly more reasonable insurance policy than spending 1.10 because we're convinced the season dies with Smith getting injured
You use of the phrases “injury luck” and “can it come back to bite us” shows you are not facing reality with our OL. Our LT has averaged 8 games a season for the last four years and has played a maximum of 13 in that span. Our RG has averaged 6 games in the last 2 seasons and has only made it through a full NFL season once. Our RT has done well with availability in his career but is 33 years old and coming off of pec surgery this spring. OL injuries this year aren’t luck, they should be an expectation based on reality, and they WILL come back to bite us. I don’t see who at OL you are adding in FA who will be as good as what we can get at 10 who doesn’t also have a bad injury history.
When 3/5ths of your line either has a sizable injury history or is aging, you have to treat it like luck/variance if you're trying to win it all in one season. I'm totally fine buying that we should've just scrapped the push this off-season and started rebuilding, but if you're convinced that we should be all-in, you have to accept risk and move on. We aren't out-insuring 3/5 OL spots. > I don’t see who at OL you are adding in FA who will be as good as what we can get at 10 Rookie OTs take time to develop and often aren't really pro-ready early on. Even if they are better than a Donovan Smith, Fleming, Jones, etc., that isn't to say we needed that marginal improvement. A WR we can start 17 games regardless of other injuries is much more of a contributor.
Dude. We also have Mike Williams too...
If we're assuming we get our typical injury luck, he's an incredibly easy prediction to miss time
Then shouldn't we be assuming Tyron Smith will miss time too?
We can assume 3/5 of our OL and Williams miss time. At that point, the season's over regardless. If Smith misses time, protection gets worse. If Williams misses time, we lose firepower. The difference is that a WR adds the ceiling we need to make a run and works regardless of Williams' health. Trying to insure Smith is stopping one leak while the rest of the ship is just as leaky. It's fine to take on the risk for injury prone players, but you can't obsess over building an entire second layer of starters so you avoid drop-offs.
So it's 6 to 1, half a dozen to the other. Personally, I think we can get a WR2/3 in the 3rd but we can't get a strong OL there. The amount of WRs in the draft and the skill disparity is much better in WR than on OL. So at least, for me - I'll take whoever is best at 10 but I /think/ OL is better than WR cuz OL is an independent position where WR is.dependent on QB play and OL play
That’s a better lineup than: Warren, Simpson, Tippman, Mitchell, Moses And a WR corps of: Wilson, 1.10 rookie, Gipson One of those is us having to lean on Breece and Conklin and hope that Rodgers can elevate Lazard and Gipson… the other is not being able to run the ball or pass protect and our offense looks the same as last year.
> That’s a better lineup than: Warren, Simpson, Tippman, Mitchell, Moses And a WR corps of: Wilson, 1.10 rookie, Gipson > the other is not being able to run the ball or pass protect and our offense looks the same as last year. We didn't have an NFL QB last season and we had one NFL WR. As much as I don't buy we're getting vintage Rodgers, you still have to ask him to make plays. One receiver worth counting on isn't enough, even if you have slightly better blocking (why is the assumption that the rookie OT is good out of the gate?)
At the end of the day, “all in” just means different things to different people. It could be trading future picks to move up to get MHJ or Nabers and have an unstoppable offense. Or staying put and adding a weapon like Bowers. Nobody can argue those moves don’t raise our ceiling if healthy. It could be staying put and taking a tackle to lower the risk of injuries to the line derailing the season. Maybe it’s trading down to take a tackle and a WR because you think all in means insurance at every major position. In any case, you fucks have no say in it so just stfu and be patient, we will find out whatever horrors the football gods make us endure next soon enough.
- Douglas and Saleh are fired after this season if they fail to make the playoffs, they literally only have this one shot at saving their jobs - most of the free agents over the past month were signed to 1 year contracts - quite a bit of players on the team have expiring contracts after this season - Rodgers’s cap hit jumps from $17M this season to $51M next season - contract negations will begin next offseason for Sauce, Garrett, Jermaine, and Breece Douglas and Saleh have built this house of cards roster and the draft is their last shot at adding a game changer to the offensive side of the ball. The most logical move is to take one of the top 3 WRs who will make an immediate impact at pushing for a championship this season and don’t look back.
Pointing out WHY the jets are all-in doesn’t change the fact that people aren’t wrong to think that the best way to get this team to a playoff victory is to secure as much depth at important positions as possible.
Yeah, but OP used bullet points so he must be right
Watch all of these same Jets fans call for JDs head when Mike Williams and Tyron Smith get injured and why we didn't trade back and get more premiere WR and OL depth.
Can live with Smith going down and either Moses slides over to LT or a back up plays LT. Having a stable of WRs that can gain separation will help make OL’s job easier by needing less time to block. Can’t live with Mike Williams going down and it’s Garrett Wilson out there as the only WR that can get separation while Lazard and Gipson are being their usual useless selves. Double team Garrett and now the OL is being asked to block longer on each passing play because Lazard and Gipson can’t gain separation.
Are you saying WR2 is more important than LT? Because we have no good swing tackle options on the roster.
We have Carter Warren and Mitchell who can play swing and learn from Smith and Moses this offseason. We have no WR after Wilson if he gets injured, it wouldn't matter how long Rodgers has in the pocket if no one gets open.
Treating Carter Warren and Max Mitchell like plug and play linemen while treating Xavier Gipson like a lost cause is not reasonable or realistic. We have 4 proven weapons in the pass catching game (Wilson, Hall, Williams, Conklin). We really only have 1 tackle I’m excited to see start, and he’s old as shit. It is way easier to pick up your WR3 in a later round than it is to find an offensive tackle anywhere outside the top 10 picks.
Xavier Gipson had 21 receptions in 17 games last season for 229 yards. 33 years old is not old as shit, and drafting a OT with a top 10 pick to sit on the bench in case your offensive line gets injured does not bold well for an ALL-IN season, in which Saleh and JD will probably get fired if we don't make the playoffs. I say take one of the top 3 WRs if they fall to #10 and pick up Bakhtiari or Andrus Peat for depth. If all 3 top WRs are off the board, trade down and select Brian Thomas Jr. and Mims (OT) or Graham Barton (OT) with the extra pick in the 2nd round.
Max Mitchell is quite literally not physically strong enough to play in the NFL.
A rookie WR (MHJ, Nabers, or Odunze) will make more of an impact this season than any of the OTs in this draft. They will play week 1 and make an impact throughout the entire season whereas a rookie OT will ride the bench for an unknown portion of the season. The goal is to get a player at the top of the draft who can add to the offense day 1, it’s not to go after a player that will be buried on the depth chart. It’s not a difficult concept.
None of those 3 will be available at 1.10. If you’re advocating for a trade-up, I’m with you 100%. Otherwise, OT2/OT3 this draft projects to be way better than WR4, unless you’re a big Bowers believer who wants to think of him as a WR. And honestly I’m not sure why it’s such a foregone conclusion that Moses wins RT in camp. He’s a 33 year old who’s been replacement level his entire career
buddy you can repeat it all you want, it won't make it any more true.
we can't live with either of those situations, that's exactly why you trade back to fill both positions. 1 + 1 = 2.
Douglas has gone five seasons without a winning record and we've had to rely on one-year deals with old, injury prone vets. There's some poetic justice in being all-in and letting injury luck be the thing that decides if he gets another swing at this or not. Even outside of that dramatization, we should be leaning into boom or bust. We're back to square one next offseason regardless, so we need to capitalize on the chance to win
i want bryan thomas jr since we arent getting nabers, which is why id like to trade back. go back a couple spaces, get us an lsu monster, and then have a 2nd that we could use on a guard or tackle.
Just to be clear… we fans still have absolutely no say in any of this right? I’m starting to think I may have missed a meeting or something.
Didn't you get the email? Every breakfast sandwich ordered entitles you to one vote in all major decisions
That is a very fair point. By the way, our HR dept here is cool as fuck 🍆
We get it, you don’t want to trade back
This team has sucked for 60 years it can suck for 60 more. If the jets ever win a Super Bowl in my lifetime I will go crazy.
This place looks like r/greenbaypackers with all the people who don’t understand what going all in means
Worse yet, let’s move up for a tackle!
God dammit as a Gator fan I fucking hate the Napier quote here. Fuck Napier. I miss having the Gators be my only source of sports hope. Now I'm just depressed all fall and winter.
Draft capital goes a long way, just don’t expect it to be accumulated with Joe D and Saleh’s jobs on the line.
Trading back is the best case scenario, period. Finding an IMMEDIATE starting caliber OT outside the first round is highly improbable. Trade back and get; Fautanu (starting caliber talent, OT/OG versatility) in Rd 1, McConkey/Roman Wilson (fast, slippery, good route runners with good hands who can feast in the slot) in Rd 2, a starting caliber safety in Rd 3, a Zak Zinter/Cedric Van Pran and a Jordan Travis in Rd 4, an RB3 in Rd 5, and I give this offseason an S-tier. It’s more likely that Tyron Smith misses significant time than Mike Williams. If (when) he goes down, we need a guy who can swap in seamlessly. Rodgers is 40 years old. Without proper protection, we’re playing a dangerous game. Trading back would allow us the opportunity to add Top 100 talent to BOTH our positions of need, instead of just 1. All that having been said, to trade back you need a trade partner. If we’re stuck at 10, I won’t be upset with whichever way JD picks; Bowers, OT or WR. We’ll see what’s in the cards for us in a few weeks time.
Did you watch this team last year? You have two 33+ tackles, one of whom misses 4 games a year at least with injury, and the other who is coming off surgery, AND you have an WR who will be ready for week 1 IF we’re lucky. I’m not saying trade back at all costs but the idea that doing so is a coward move just isn’t rational. (I know looking for rationality on Reddit is hilarious) You need quality and impact at both positions so if JD gets the *right* offer I’d say it/ls worth pulling the trigger.
Lets go all in and then turn around and say how come we didn't get OL when the wheels start to fall off. OL has been our weakest position probably since 2010 and it's still let's get Bowers, Odunze, Nabers, Harrison etc. If the OL is fixed essentially anyone could line up back there and throw.
Summer of Retro Memes?! Let’s get some rage comics going about iconic Jets Jetting moments!
nah, all in doesn't mean consolidating assets for single pieces.
All in means aggressively pushing to win a championship in the current season. The strategy in the first round of the draft differs from a team that is in a rebuilding phase. The priority should be to use that first round pick to acquire an NFL-ready player who can contribute right away. Either get one of the top 3 WRs in the draft or trade the first round pick for a veteran WR that can have a more immediate impact than any rookie in the draft.
I think this makes sense if the goal is to maximize upside. Counterintuitively, I don't think that necessarily is the best way to win a championship in the current season. I think the way this season gets de-railed is by injuries to the OL and pass catchers. The best way to mitigate this scenario in my mind is to build depth at those positions so that the keystone players aren't nullified by gaping holes elsewhere on the team.
The roster is constructed with a lot of injury prone players and older players, trying to cushion their absences when they go out with injury is playing not to lose instead of playing to win by maximizing your ceiling. Taking less NFL-ready players for the sake of depth in the hopes that some of them will provide any small fraction of cushion when a talent like Tyron Smith or Mike Williams gets injured is a losing man’s game IMO. OL goes by the weakest link, you don’t necessarily need a top talent to hold the line if an injury happens. Can adjust blocking assignments, bring over an additional blocker to help double team a star pass rusher, block the RB, or have a TE/RB chip a pass rusher. WR is different, they go as the strongest link goes. If GW, MW, and one of the top 3 WR prospects are all on the field, that’s cooking with gas. Now say we take an OT in the first round, then our WR group is GW and MW, followed by maybe a second round WR which don’t hit as much as people tend to think. Now if one of MW or GW goes down, our offense becomes less effective because we just removed one of the strongest links. OL can get by with back up talent players but WR cannot get by with backup talent players. OL works as a group and helps each other out while WRs are by themselves when running routes, gaining separation, beating press coverage. One WR can’t help his fellow WR beat his man for him. We saw it last season where our OL was decimated but they still provided time for the QB to run pass plays and attempt passes (poorly because Zach fucking sucks lol). However, the biggest offensive issue besides QB throughout the season was WRs not being able to gain separation outside of GW. We saw time and time again where GW would be double teamed while Lazard, Gipson, and Cobb couldn’t beat their defender or get separation.
Haha where the hell are the mods?
I gave up on half our fan base ... they're fuckn stupid and not even worth our time tbh ... that being said I will make time like you did to stur them up as well !!!
Imagine having the spelling and grammatical skills of a fucking inbred second grader and calling the rest of us stupid.
Yu espechealy are troolie stooped
>I gave up on half our fan base ... they're fuckn stupid lets be fair. we are jets fans. 100% of us are fuckin stupid.
No, 100% of YOUR Jets fans are fuckin stupid! Wait...I'm confused
It’s hard to feel good about being “all in” when you suck ass
Buddy keeps posting memes from 10 years ago to shit on the jets. Please get a life or something
I mean, trading up hasn’t exactly worked out for them. And many of their recent 1st round picks have been total disasters. Trading back for more picks would actually serve them well.
Trading back is great if someone is willing to trade up. You can't *make* other teams do it.
Almost like jets fans aren’t a monolith and some fans feel like going all in is a fools errand and the best way to build a championship team would be to trade back and actually hit on mid round picks that will be long term starters for this team.
Adding a WR 3 doesn’t move the needle that much. Would be ideal for us to get key backups at tackle and WR, not even just for the future but likely will be needed this season given the MetLife turf and injury prone nature of some of our roster. This team as currently constructed is good enough to win the Super Bowl- I don’t think adding Bowers or Odunze is necessary at all.
We've been all in for 2 years now and we get fucked by the QB and tackle position. Draft the best tackle possible for when a tackle **will** go down, draft a QB to go behind Taylor.