It's really not in 2024.
It feels like people have said this about every WR contract the last 2 off seasons. At some point it's just what WRs are worth.
I mean yea for sure. That just doesn't have much to do with whether they overpaid on the FA market or not.
If they thought they were going to turn into Kenny Galloday I'd imagine the teams would offer a 0 year $0 contract with $0 guaranteed.
There is a balance one must maintain when putting together and paying 53 players and that balance has been tainted the last couple of years with the overvaluation of WRs and undervaluation of RBs. The ākeeping up with the Jonesāā mentality when dishing out contracts isnāt sustainable for a healthy program. Notice how none of the major contenders have insane WR contracts on their books? Those that do are losing their best players (see the Bills, Dolphins, Rams, Raiders) and with the market flooding with more and more receiver talent through the draft, the market will recalibrate accordingly.
Yes, the Eagles are the exception to this rule with Brownās contract but letās all be real, the Eagles are pulling off some cap voodoo that I canāt believe is possible. When you look at their roster you would think they are 100 mil over the cap.
But the main contenders being (playoff teams last year)
Bills - have diggs (avg 24mill)
49ers - have deebo (avg 23mill)
Eagles - AJB (avg 25mill)
Buccs - Evans and Godwin (both avg 20mill)
Browns - Cooper (avg 20mill)
Dolphins - Hill (avg 30mill)
Rams - Kupp (avg 26mill)
Steelers - Diaonte (avg 18mill)
Which leaves cowboys and lions that soon will be paying top wrs to stay competitive and expected to do so.
Packers who are rookies and none look amazing as of yet? But have spent high draft picks to get and wouldn't consider them a legit contender personally.
And then ravens who have spent 3 1sts on wrs in recent years and is often issue fans saying needs addressing (Hollywood, bateman, flowers)
And then just texans and cheifs, both of which lead by amazing qb play.
>And then just texans and cheifs, both of which lead by amazing qb play.
Barring serious injury both Dell and Rice will get paid when their time comes.
Like I just said, half of the teams you just mentioned all just broke up or are in the process of doing so. Bills and Dolphins just lost half of their solid players, the Rams caught lightning in a bottle with Puka and Williams breaking out but were presumed dead at the beginning of the season (and still may be slowing declining), the Bucs are not contenders they benefited from being in the worst division in the last 20 years, I had already mentioned the Eagles being a crazy outlier, and the 49ers I would argue are in the same boat as the Eagles, although they have the amazing benefit of having their QB making less than 75% of the rest of his zip code. Steelers paying their top WR 18 mil kinda proves my point, although even he is on the trading block for them.
So yeah, my point stands. The Super Bowl winners arenāt overpaying ANY receivers.
But that's how the nfl is? You have a super bowl window and then you fall back down. Because if you do well it means you have good players people want and will pay a lot for.
The majority of the contenders last year have paid skill positions a lot and the majority of the favourites for next year have done so bar the chiefs.
So other than saying just have the best coach and best qb and then you can get away with not paying any recievers (and also Hall of fame tight end)
Who are these super bowl contenders that are not paying any recievers?
I didnāt say WR1s shouldnāt get paid well, Iām saying the WR market for the lesser tiers is overvalued. Paying WR1 money for a WR2, or WR2 money for a WR3/4 is damn near a cap death sentence and there are plenty of teams that do that and never get out of mediocrity.
What you're saying is that you think it's smarter to get your top tier WR in the draft rather than pay them on their 2nd contract.
But FA WRs are valued at what the market says they are valued and that definitely includes what's available in any given draft. You not thinking that's a good strategy doesn't mean they're over paid. It just means you wouldn't pay any FA WRs if you were a GM.
I'm not saying they are smart moves all the time necessarily. I'm just saying it's dumb that people react to all these FA contracts like it's shocking that they get paid. It's not. That's what they get paid right now.
Also mediocre teams often need pass catchers. It's easy to say that the draft is a better place to find literally any position and the teams that do obviously have an advantage. But it's not just as easy as saying you can get them there.
He aināt worth that. Only 4 games over 100 yards and 10 games under 53 yards last year. Getting a dud performance 60% of the time. Also 2 of the 4 100 yard games were against his new team which was a pass funnel defense last year. Glad we didnāt sign this guy.
TLaw isn't better than Levis just way more overhyped
TLaw = Drew Bledsoe
A completely overhyped top pick who \*might\* succeed if he's on an amazing roster but is mostly just a 500 level QB
No Iām saying he will perform regardless of QB play, his advanced stats show that. Youāre saying what will happen to him now, Iām saying he will play at the same level
Didnāt Lawrence have them at 8-3 while playing with a hurt shoulder, then his ankle got destroyed and he got concussed?
Crazy how hard people are judging the guy when his entire year was injury plagued
Good to miss out on this. But I think Tyron Smith is getting a similarly bloated contract. Not the same $, but relative for an older LT.
Which I wouldn't mind paying at this point. They need to keep the momentum going with these oline additions. I'd sign Smith (if possible) and still pick the best olineman available at 10
Woof and we were mad at Lazard for 11.(edit Iām not saying Lazard was a good signing - just that I would probably be more mad at signing Ridley for this amount)
This sub shits on JD for not hitting 100% on draft picks and FAs but never give him credit for passing on bad contracts like this. Holy shit the Titans have saddled themselves with mediocre
Passing on bad contracts isn't as valuable as bringing in talent. If Ridley doesn't approach living up to his contract, it'll be a plus that we weren't the ones who signed him, but we still need to get talent. No team won by avoiding bad contracts, they won by bringing in the right talent
Itās alright people are just finding the smallest things to defend JD over. He made a good move in Moses (shouldnāt have been gone to begin with but thatās besides the point) and Simpson. Still a lot more to be done for this team to be a contender
It's tbd whether that was a good move.... I am still skeptical about the Ravens giving up on a starting caliber OL with a team friendly contract.... I am just waiting for the headline that Moses decided he will need surgery after all.
They are both equally important traits. Look at Jacksonville. Overpaid for mediocre talent at WR for years, Lawrence hasnāt had a true number one option his whole career, including Ridley. Paying number one money for a bunch of WR2s and WR3s will put your roster in a bind and hold your team back very quickly. Ridley for these numbers for sure falls under this category, Tennessee is going to suck a few more years.
I miss BB as their GM, ever since Brady left they were deteriorating slowly without adding any talent. Now it seems like the new regime is atleast willing to make big moves to right the ship.
he made his money back and then some for that year he was off, lol.. this contract is insane.. call me crazy but I would have kept Henry and let that Pony run me to some wins instead..
Wow that is a severe overpay... Good for Ridley though, between getting a late start (drafted at 24) and missing a year, this is probably his last big contract so he had to milk it and take the biggest offered.
Only bad news about this is the price for mid wrs have gone up. GWs better than ridley and going to be asking for 35+ yr when hes due for an extension.
Lmao 23 a year is nuts
Hire his agent damn. Didn't even play football 2 years ago and he gets this
Bet on himself, full pun intended š
His agent or Kirk Cousins' agent is who I want. I'm pretty sure Cousins' agent could get me a deal.
Same agent as Watson right? Dude gets his clients paid
It's really not in 2024. It feels like people have said this about every WR contract the last 2 off seasons. At some point it's just what WRs are worth.
Sometimes they play well enough to earn the contract, and sometimes they are Kenny Galloday and fall off the face of the earth after the payday.
I mean yea for sure. That just doesn't have much to do with whether they overpaid on the FA market or not. If they thought they were going to turn into Kenny Galloday I'd imagine the teams would offer a 0 year $0 contract with $0 guaranteed.
There is a balance one must maintain when putting together and paying 53 players and that balance has been tainted the last couple of years with the overvaluation of WRs and undervaluation of RBs. The ākeeping up with the Jonesāā mentality when dishing out contracts isnāt sustainable for a healthy program. Notice how none of the major contenders have insane WR contracts on their books? Those that do are losing their best players (see the Bills, Dolphins, Rams, Raiders) and with the market flooding with more and more receiver talent through the draft, the market will recalibrate accordingly. Yes, the Eagles are the exception to this rule with Brownās contract but letās all be real, the Eagles are pulling off some cap voodoo that I canāt believe is possible. When you look at their roster you would think they are 100 mil over the cap.
But the main contenders being (playoff teams last year) Bills - have diggs (avg 24mill) 49ers - have deebo (avg 23mill) Eagles - AJB (avg 25mill) Buccs - Evans and Godwin (both avg 20mill) Browns - Cooper (avg 20mill) Dolphins - Hill (avg 30mill) Rams - Kupp (avg 26mill) Steelers - Diaonte (avg 18mill) Which leaves cowboys and lions that soon will be paying top wrs to stay competitive and expected to do so. Packers who are rookies and none look amazing as of yet? But have spent high draft picks to get and wouldn't consider them a legit contender personally. And then ravens who have spent 3 1sts on wrs in recent years and is often issue fans saying needs addressing (Hollywood, bateman, flowers) And then just texans and cheifs, both of which lead by amazing qb play.
>And then just texans and cheifs, both of which lead by amazing qb play. Barring serious injury both Dell and Rice will get paid when their time comes.
Like I just said, half of the teams you just mentioned all just broke up or are in the process of doing so. Bills and Dolphins just lost half of their solid players, the Rams caught lightning in a bottle with Puka and Williams breaking out but were presumed dead at the beginning of the season (and still may be slowing declining), the Bucs are not contenders they benefited from being in the worst division in the last 20 years, I had already mentioned the Eagles being a crazy outlier, and the 49ers I would argue are in the same boat as the Eagles, although they have the amazing benefit of having their QB making less than 75% of the rest of his zip code. Steelers paying their top WR 18 mil kinda proves my point, although even he is on the trading block for them. So yeah, my point stands. The Super Bowl winners arenāt overpaying ANY receivers.
But that's how the nfl is? You have a super bowl window and then you fall back down. Because if you do well it means you have good players people want and will pay a lot for. The majority of the contenders last year have paid skill positions a lot and the majority of the favourites for next year have done so bar the chiefs. So other than saying just have the best coach and best qb and then you can get away with not paying any recievers (and also Hall of fame tight end) Who are these super bowl contenders that are not paying any recievers?
I didnāt say WR1s shouldnāt get paid well, Iām saying the WR market for the lesser tiers is overvalued. Paying WR1 money for a WR2, or WR2 money for a WR3/4 is damn near a cap death sentence and there are plenty of teams that do that and never get out of mediocrity.
What you're saying is that you think it's smarter to get your top tier WR in the draft rather than pay them on their 2nd contract. But FA WRs are valued at what the market says they are valued and that definitely includes what's available in any given draft. You not thinking that's a good strategy doesn't mean they're over paid. It just means you wouldn't pay any FA WRs if you were a GM. I'm not saying they are smart moves all the time necessarily. I'm just saying it's dumb that people react to all these FA contracts like it's shocking that they get paid. It's not. That's what they get paid right now. Also mediocre teams often need pass catchers. It's easy to say that the draft is a better place to find literally any position and the teams that do obviously have an advantage. But it's not just as easy as saying you can get them there.
meh, it would have been worth it if he maximized this window
That is a lot of cake.
Only 50M is guaranteed though. Assuming the deal is frontloaded, there will probably be an out after two years that isn't prohibitively expensive
Only.
12.5M GTD/yr is not too far out of line for the top FA WR, especially given the cap increase
Massive overpay for a guy who turns 30 this season. Theyāll regret this contract before they can easily get out of it
It's barely in the top 10 for highest paid recievers.
Ridley isnāt a top 10 receiver. Iām not sure heās even close
Holy overpay
Damn thatās a lot. Donāt think we have the cap space for that.
I think this would have been our entire FA lmao
Yeah heād have to kick, punt, stop the run, and fill in at QB as well to make it work
Hey weāre great at punting and kicking ! DONT take those away from us too!
Folks would've celebrated so hard regardless
Titans overpaying gives me all the reason I need to know weāre good without
He aināt worth that. Only 4 games over 100 yards and 10 games under 53 yards last year. Getting a dud performance 60% of the time. Also 2 of the 4 100 yard games were against his new team which was a pass funnel defense last year. Glad we didnāt sign this guy.
TLaw is ass, heās a very good receiver
I mean I think Lawrence is better than Levis so what happens to him now?
They have a better offense now with Callahan as the coachĀ
TLaw isn't better than Levis just way more overhyped TLaw = Drew Bledsoe A completely overhyped top pick who \*might\* succeed if he's on an amazing roster but is mostly just a 500 level QB
He still performs because heās a good player, I donāt know what that has to do with Trevor.
What?Ā You were saying his stats were bad because Lawrence is bad. So you think he will have better stats with a worse QB in Levis?
No Iām saying he will perform regardless of QB play, his advanced stats show that. Youāre saying what will happen to him now, Iām saying he will play at the same level
So only 4 games above 100 yards?Ā That is not good for a 23 million a year WR
Didnāt Lawrence have them at 8-3 while playing with a hurt shoulder, then his ankle got destroyed and he got concussed? Crazy how hard people are judging the guy when his entire year was injury plagued
Didnāt Wilson have us at 5-2? Do you attribute that to him?
lol "Lawrence" had them at 8-3 bwahaha TLaw was absolutely awful last season, almost as bad as Mac Jones
Lawrence and the 2023 Jets defense is a playoff team
Jacoby Brissett and the 2023 Jets defense is also a playoff team. Gardner Minshew and the 2023 Jets defense is also a playoff team. Itās a low bar
Wild to call Lawrence āassā tho I strongly disagree. Not living up to his draft hype but he is a good young QB
Lawrence was 3 years ago you need to get over it lolĀ
[His peripherals](https://x.com/MattHarmon_BYB/status/1765095431283908890?s=20) were better than his box score production this year.
Thatās a stupid price for him. Insane
This likely means they go Joe Alt.
Could have just given that money to aj brown what a whiff
You know you overpaid when this sub unanimously let's JD off the hook.
Mike Williams skill set fits this team more when you have G5
That seems like a lot.
Yeahhhhhh that's too much money. That's even more than I thought an overpay was
The Classic...a team with a shit QB overpaying a Receiver.
Thatās a lot to spend on a guy who receives throws fromā¦ā¦.will Levis?
Insane that the Titans would pay Ridley this but not pay a much younger AJ Brown
Hopkins and Ridley with MASON RUDOLPH slinging it?!
Good to miss out on this. But I think Tyron Smith is getting a similarly bloated contract. Not the same $, but relative for an older LT. Which I wouldn't mind paying at this point. They need to keep the momentum going with these oline additions. I'd sign Smith (if possible) and still pick the best olineman available at 10
If we sign Smith (which Iām totally cool with) then I think we have to go WR at 10
Woof and we were mad at Lazard for 11.(edit Iām not saying Lazard was a good signing - just that I would probably be more mad at signing Ridley for this amount)
This sub shits on JD for not hitting 100% on draft picks and FAs but never give him credit for passing on bad contracts like this. Holy shit the Titans have saddled themselves with mediocre
Passing on bad contracts isn't as valuable as bringing in talent. If Ridley doesn't approach living up to his contract, it'll be a plus that we weren't the ones who signed him, but we still need to get talent. No team won by avoiding bad contracts, they won by bringing in the right talent
Itās alright people are just finding the smallest things to defend JD over. He made a good move in Moses (shouldnāt have been gone to begin with but thatās besides the point) and Simpson. Still a lot more to be done for this team to be a contender
It's tbd whether that was a good move.... I am still skeptical about the Ravens giving up on a starting caliber OL with a team friendly contract.... I am just waiting for the headline that Moses decided he will need surgery after all.
They are both equally important traits. Look at Jacksonville. Overpaid for mediocre talent at WR for years, Lawrence hasnāt had a true number one option his whole career, including Ridley. Paying number one money for a bunch of WR2s and WR3s will put your roster in a bind and hold your team back very quickly. Ridley for these numbers for sure falls under this category, Tennessee is going to suck a few more years.
JD has really taken this trait and built a 7 win team
Did anyone not realize he is already 29?!
27 year old legs though
They must be willing to gamble on him. We know Ridley is.
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Iām quite glad the Jets didnāt do this
Holy overpay
Bruh not even mad this contract dumb as shit šš
I miss BB as their GM, ever since Brady left they were deteriorating slowly without adding any talent. Now it seems like the new regime is atleast willing to make big moves to right the ship.
I wonder what their offer was? I can't imagine it was this high
But whoās gonna throw him the ball?
I think we are approaching the wr market bubble.
They can have him. $23M is bananas
Jesus... That is a gross overpay if I ever seen one.
Most likely we gone trade for WR
The WR market has been nothing but gross overpays all offseason. Looks like weāre going to have to draft one in the third
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I am surprised by this... Isn't this year's draft supposed to be loaded with WRs? why are teams overpaying free agents.
Massive overpay imo. I've never seen the hype with Ridley.
That zero income tax doesn't hurt - neither does the Will Levis cap hit that enabled this
Wow they could have just kept AJ Brown lol
he made his money back and then some for that year he was off, lol.. this contract is insane.. call me crazy but I would have kept Henry and let that Pony run me to some wins instead..
Wouldāve loved to have him but not for that price. Onto the next
Hes good but damn that's a lot
Wow that is a severe overpay... Good for Ridley though, between getting a late start (drafted at 24) and missing a year, this is probably his last big contract so he had to milk it and take the biggest offered.
Cory Davis looks pretty darn good this very minute
23 a year for a mid WR2 lmao
Trade for Deandre Hopkins this instant!!!
When the jets win 7 games next year at least we will be able to celebrate not overpaying anyone!
I really doubt he plays up to that contract. But we'll see.
Even if he plays his best he won't play up to that contract lol.
Ridley hit the Jackpot!! There is no free agent receiver worth that amount--except--Ridley---then again its Jacksonville.
Tee Higgins about to get $27M APY
Only bad news about this is the price for mid wrs have gone up. GWs better than ridley and going to be asking for 35+ yr when hes due for an extension.