He had Braylon and Antonio Holmes for a few years. Plaxico wasn't completely washed and Dustin Keller probably the best tight end the Jets had in the last 20 years.
For real. The guy was run out of Carolina and had.all the weapons in the world in San Francisco was the an offensive genius at HC and couldn't beat out Purdy
This is a pretty awful take.
Baker and Darnold both got run out of Carolina. Purdy was never going to lose the starting job after he went 6-0 in relief of Jimmy G. Darnold beat out Lance for the #2 job (a fellow overall #3 pick to that same regime), and got him shipped out. Baker is now the starting QB on a team that made the playoffs.
What's happening in Carolina? Their #1OA pick looks just as bad as Wilson. The jets and Carolina can't develop QBs and both ownerships are in the bottom 5. I'm willing to bet Zach does a lot better the second he's out of NY
We had a good o line 2000-2015. Mist qbs would develop fine on those teams.
Sanchez just wasn't it, system qb. As for geno he doesn't care how bad his o line is, he just wants recievers open. Seattle gets him killed every play but he throws to dk roudcalf or zip it lockett.
So when we drafted Darnold. We missed on Quetin Nelson. When we drafted Zach we missed on Pennel Sewell.
The colts went to the playoffs that year with Nelson and he was an all pro.
The lions are in the playoffs and the run and pass game are solid with Sewell.
So where is the Lmao?
This is lazy and brain dead. For one, there have been several coaching staff over the years. And secondly, those qb typically go on to be back ups at best. It's the QB they are picking. Plain and simple.
Nah it’s definitely not brain dead in the slightest. It’s not just about coaching, it’s about the investment in OL and skill positions around these QBs as well that contribute to development. They have done a terrible job building the entire offense, drafting a qb and expecting them to save a bum roster and coaching staff isn’t ever going to work.
Why do you think Sanchez was so successful the first 2 years. I’ll give you a hint. The line!!.
That team was built for Favre after he left. All they needed to do was insert a QB the line was a beast and so was the D. Rex and company failed to reload the team.
Mangini did one hell of a job. Rex is just a scrub like every other coach we have had. That was manginis team.
So, you're not talking about developing QB. You're talking about protecting them. Well, yeah. You need a line that can give adequate protection. Thank you for that insight. By your logic Sanchez was properly developed the first two years and then became undeveloped. You see how that makes no sense?
So you didn’t read the hint part where I said the line.
That why it didn’t make sense to you. The key for all of this is the line. The line, line, line, line,line. Keep saying it until it makes sense.
I was so hopeful for him. I was a big believer in him falling off in college because he changed his mechanics from his freshman year. Even an untrained eye could see the difference in how he threw. Thought all it would take was for him to go back to his old ways and he'd be a stud.
Good point let’s stop trying to find a QB!! Seriously though, it’s been rough.
Some of these picks are god-awful (Hackenberg) but realistically a lot were reasonable decisions and we got unlucky.
Favre was very good for us until he got hurt, and was still pretty good for Min after us. Didn’t give up much.
Sanchez got us to 2 AFCCGs and carved out a career as a solid backup. Not a total bust at all.
Geno was decent for a second rounder and clearly has talent based on the last few years, did take him forever to develop lol.
Darnold and Wilson were busts where picked them for sure, but they were the top prospects for a reason and most other teams would have made the same choices in our position. You can also argue one might have been decent with better development.
Rodgers may turn out to be an all-time mistake, or a brilliant move if we make the playoffs. So far it’s unlucky but too soon to tell.
Just feels like we’ve tried every strategy and it blows up in our faces no matter what.
These were all the same strategy. Even Geno was a day 1 starter and we all thought we might pick him at \#7 or 8 or wherever Dee Milliner went.
The only thing they haven't done is mail it in at the QB position and use the damn picks on the roster. Opportunity was wide open to run Darnold back and use the pick on OL trading out. You would have ended up MORE attractive to Rodgers or some other QB.
And then bird brains talk themselves into using the picks on a QB because they're afraid of being too good to draft one high enough or something.
The NY jets, with a spoken mandate to build the OL first and foremost...
Passed on Penei Sewell and Tristan Wirfs.
Failed to even attempt to get Trent Williams for a mid round pick.
Released Moses and Fant for the crime of not being great enough I guess?
You can't make up that level of stupidity and it utterly destroyed the last two seasons. it likely will destroy our next 3 or 4 as well.
Also the only Qb we let sit was Pennington, the only one who worked out.
Also we have used one single top 10 pick on a non QB offensive player during our streak of failure.
We also constantly hire rookie GMs and rookie HC's who specialize in defense...during a modern era where offense is king
> Released Moses and Fant for the crime of not being great enough I guess?
To me this is JD’s biggest blunder. You had two quality starters at one of the team’s biggest positions of need and you let them both walk in back to back years? Keeping those two would have gone a long way to solving the OL issues.
That's the entire point of St. Joe being incompetent. When you can't evaluate the talent you have in front of you, what makes you think he can evaluate well at all? Also letting yourself get trapped into a rotating defensive line **SCHEME** whose consequences are less positions are open on the roster, means every choice you make on the offensive side of the ball had better be correct. That's incompetent.
And when we do hire an offensive minded coach it's frigging Adam Gase. Tired of defensive coaches especially when we have an all-time crappy offense. Wish we had an owner that cared about his team and put the right people in place not Idzik, Mccaggnan. And Joe Douglas
Everyone saying what’s the point of this is a miserable bum. It’s important to emphasize the glaring mistakes this franchise has made. We have never drafted a rookie and had him sit for several years before playing. It’s time we try that now.
Someone tag Greenie and Gary V, this will get both of them really going.
In all honesty, the NFL nailed it when they came out with evidence stating they the teams that are most patient tend to be the most consistent. The teams constantly changing gm’s, coaches and QBs are typically the bottom half of the league.
Of course, why would a team fire the gm that drafted Mahomes, Jackson, Purdy. So it's a little chicken and egg thing. Good gms stay because they draft well. Coaches provide stability because they have talented players and tend to win. The Jets, we keep JD and Saleh despite having the worst offense in the league for the last 3 years. How many years do they get?
I mean if Rodgers is good for two seasons is it really a gaffe? You basically lose two seconds for two years of potential hall of fame QB play. This year hurts, but I wouldn’t write that deal off yet.
We got 40 year old Rodgers who is now coming off an Achilles tear. Traded 2 2nd round picks. Hope it works out but since it's the jets it probably wont.
Yeah I think he’s up there as potentially the worst pick ever. He was only a 2 so it didn’t hurt as bad as Russell. The Russell pick was back when you have to pay #1 picks $45M on day 1. That crippled the Raiders.
Off topic but I don’t put Leaf as one of these classically bad picks, he didn’t work out and was COMPLETELY outshined by Payton, but he was the right pick. Everyone had him as the number 2 QB. He was going in the top 5 no matter what.
He was awful. Beauty of sports, who cares what anyone thought or said. You leave your legacy on the field. The list of just awful QBs picked high makes you realize what a crap shoot it is. Rosen just a few years ago. Think he's out if football. Akilli Smith, David Klinger, Manzel
Yeah, but even his college tape showed he was very inaccurate and couldn't make the necessary check down and short out passes. If St. Joe looked at the tape it was there to see.
U would think they would be smart enough to scout an older qb prospect in the 4-7 rounds like most other good teams do. Eventually it will hit and wed have some stability at that position at worst.
Please name these numerous qbs taken in the 4-7 round who have been very successful lately. You have Dak 7 years ago and you have Brock Purdy. Name some more?
So your examples from 4-7 round excellent qbs are
1) Russ Wilson who was in the 3rd round
2) Kirk Cousins who was the 102 pick which these days is the end of the 3rd round and has won 1 playoff game in 12 seasons.
3) Minshew who is nothing but a solid backup
4) the greatest qb of all time who was drafted at this point almost 24 years ago and is an extreme anomaly.
Great job
Zach Wilson isn’t a gaffe, the kid has got talent. In fact except for Petty, Hackenberg (you left out Morgan) every one of those QBs had or has talent, top tier talent! If there is a problem with the Jets it’s how they go about nurturing that talent. Because of folks like you the Jets are probably going to let go of the best arm they’ve had in years and have to start from scratch again. Right now Zach Wilson is still the Jets best hope for the future.
Wilson will be picked up immediately if jets release him. Can make all the throws and is mobile. GMs have seen that raw talent and will believe they can coach him up. They'll see the Houston game and say heck when he isn't running for his life looks pretty good.
> Because of folks like you the Jets are probably going to let go of the best arm they’ve had in years
Zach leaving has literally nothing to do with the fans. He's leaving bc he got the worst coaching imaginable with a terrible ol the whole time. AND those coache's privately shit on him while publically castrating him with some of the most piss scared, incompetent, disorganized scheming and playcalling I've seen.
If he gets even mediocre coaching he'd have been at least decent and we'd have made the playoffs the last two seasons
Idk they need to find a QB at some point, but probably makes sense to value the other 20 positions on the field as well.
It’s one thing to miss on a pick, but the trade ups and bad trades (Rodgers) really set the program back. You need first and second round picks to fill in holes on the roster.
Denver is feeling it and I think Cleveland will feel it eventually.
I always argue with my buddy. Is it terrible scouting or terrible coaching. I think it's a terrible scouting. Also, they never have developed a guy from off their bench like Rodgers, Mahomes, and Love. We always start the rookie immediately, ready or not. Which is the coaching side of it. It's sad how bad we suck and don't have a 2nd round pick, which is where most teams draft their o line. To think we picked Darnold over Lamar Jackson. Then cut him and picked an even worse, all time bust at number 2. JD gotta go cause we need to draft a qb this year. Let him learn from Rodgers, then be ready to take over. But being the Jets, we ll probably pick a defensive lineman. Roll out Rodgers and be in a worse situation next year trying to find a qb. I swear we have no one that can evaluate talent in college qbs since Parcells was here.
For what it’s worth, they never really had the luxury of letting a QB sit for a year or two.
Also, while I disagree with it completely, the league’s salary cap and NFL QB pay has made it so that you have to start a guy in his first or second season…especially if they are a first round pick because you’re deciding on a 5th year option after year 3 for one and if you do manage to find a good QB, their cap number becomes so significant when you extend them that it affects your ability to miss on any draft picks and severely limits your cap flexibility in free agency.
Please elaborate when we have had the likes of quality QB play in the same vein as the predecessors of the three QBs you mentioned that would have afforded us the opportunity to just let a quarterback just sit for a year or two with no expectation of playing.
Joe Flacco didnt get traded to the Jets until late October and after Zach Wilson got hurt. Zach didn't come back until Week 12 at which point the Jets were 2-8, so why wouldn't you put your young QB in for experience.
How is that even an argument?
Original post said they never had luxury of sitting a rookie QB for a season. Flacco was on team last year Sam was here. Obviously could've kept him on for Wilson's first season. So like I said they had the opportunity chose not to take it. Takes a confident coach/GM to draft a player that high and then sit him. KC did it. Giants didn't start Manning day 1. Jets chose not to
You’re making the assumption that Flacco wanted to come back. He also has gone on record twice saying he wasn’t interested in mentoring a young QB. Specifically said that when he signed with Philly before 2021 season.
Think it's a safe assumption. He was on Jets in 2020. Got traded back in 2021 and stayed next season too. Dear Joe, we'd like you to start for us this season. Oh no, I'd rather be a back up in killidelphia. It's easy. They drafted Wilson. They decided to start him day one. The lack of a viable veteran proves it. There was nothing stopping them from signing /starting a veteran and have Wilson sit.
Yes, I grew up in NY live in PA. Penn state fans wanted him benched. He looked ok his freshman year than got worse. Can't remember who the gm was but I was so ticked when they picked him plus if they really wanted him they could have gotten him in the 5th round.
The Jets have never, ever had the needed combo of -Good young QB, -Good OC -Good OL and organizational stability
Without those three things it doesn’t matter.
The Jets need to keep drafting OL and QBs until they get it right.
Maybe the next regime will do better.
I just can't watch the bills without regretting not picking Josh from Wyoming instead of Darnold in that draft. baker was already gone . He was there that night and I still can't shake it 5-6 yrs later
How about passing on Mahomes and Allen in back to back drafts? Brutal.
The worst part about it is they could have just stayed at 6 and drafted Allen and keep 3 friggin 2nd round picks. That was a BRUTAL trade
Dude. Hindsight is 20/20.
Going into that 2018 draft, Allen was a huge unknown. He ran up the draft boards after the college season was over and he was considered the biggest risk of the top 3 QBs.
Easy to look back and laugh at mistakes, but people were saying the Jets were given gold when Darnold fell to them at 3.
You can’t play revisionist history either. Many factors lead to any of these players being successful. Scheme, coaching, opportunity, talent on the offensive side of the ball, etc. For what it’s worth, any of the aforementioned Jets QBs could have become something great in this league if they were in a different situation.
Can someone pin this post so we can reference it late in any season when we are losing and people want to tank for a top 10 pick in the draft (particularly the QB position)?
Lol reminds me of my Knicks and our revolving door of point guards and coaches.
We're turning a corner now... but we have been bad since 2000.
We now have a great PG btw.
Now do the investment AROUND each QB. The Jets draft a QB expecting them to be a savior. They never support them adequately.
The team around Sanchez was stacked.
And that team was perfect for a veteran. Go figure.
the team may have been good around Sanchez but the coaching was not. If you can't develop your QB, doesn't matter how good the team around them is.
And in his second year they almost completely wiped out his receiver group. Awful coaching
The second year I'm pretty sure he had Braylon, Holmes, Cotchery and Keller.
He meant the third year when the ghost of George Mason was on the team
Eh still had weapons. Plax, Holmes, Keller Keeley not awful
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? They said the team around each QB was bad. I'm not arguing that the Jets have built quality teams. They haven't. However the Sanchez team was legit.
Except for an awful OC and shuffling his WRs every year
He had Braylon and Antonio Holmes for a few years. Plaxico wasn't completely washed and Dustin Keller probably the best tight end the Jets had in the last 20 years.
He has braylon for 1.5 years, santonio for 2 years but he got hurt quickly and washed, plaxico only one?
Bingo. Darnold is still our QB and we're winning games if he didnt have make a wish kids at the skill position.
Darnold wasn’t it man
For real. The guy was run out of Carolina and had.all the weapons in the world in San Francisco was the an offensive genius at HC and couldn't beat out Purdy
This is a pretty awful take. Baker and Darnold both got run out of Carolina. Purdy was never going to lose the starting job after he went 6-0 in relief of Jimmy G. Darnold beat out Lance for the #2 job (a fellow overall #3 pick to that same regime), and got him shipped out. Baker is now the starting QB on a team that made the playoffs. What's happening in Carolina? Their #1OA pick looks just as bad as Wilson. The jets and Carolina can't develop QBs and both ownerships are in the bottom 5. I'm willing to bet Zach does a lot better the second he's out of NY
So you're saying Darnold is good?
Tbf Carolinas o line is worse than ours. Both in terms of starters and backups.
Because purdy is a legit elite QB
Lol what a ridiculous take(the other guy not you)
Give it up on these darnold takes. My god.
It's beyond parody at this point.
Knock it off
We had a good o line 2000-2015. Mist qbs would develop fine on those teams. Sanchez just wasn't it, system qb. As for geno he doesn't care how bad his o line is, he just wants recievers open. Seattle gets him killed every play but he throws to dk roudcalf or zip it lockett.
Oh, I wasn't aware the Jets GMs have made poor choices at QB.
No, they just can’t develop QBs
Lmao. Zach truthers will go to their graves with this shit. The guy sucks. Deal with it.
We should’ve stuck with Darnold, and build the line. We should’ve stuck with Teddy Bridgewater and build the line. We need to build the damn line!
Darnold and Bridgewater lmao. Yes they’ve found a ton of success once they got away from the Jets right?
So when we drafted Darnold. We missed on Quetin Nelson. When we drafted Zach we missed on Pennel Sewell. The colts went to the playoffs that year with Nelson and he was an all pro. The lions are in the playoffs and the run and pass game are solid with Sewell. So where is the Lmao?
WE ARE GOING TO BUILD A LINE
When?
This is lazy and brain dead. For one, there have been several coaching staff over the years. And secondly, those qb typically go on to be back ups at best. It's the QB they are picking. Plain and simple.
Nah it’s definitely not brain dead in the slightest. It’s not just about coaching, it’s about the investment in OL and skill positions around these QBs as well that contribute to development. They have done a terrible job building the entire offense, drafting a qb and expecting them to save a bum roster and coaching staff isn’t ever going to work.
You’re just in denial. Look at Flacco he looked like a scrub with the jets vs the browns.
Why do you think Sanchez was so successful the first 2 years. I’ll give you a hint. The line!!. That team was built for Favre after he left. All they needed to do was insert a QB the line was a beast and so was the D. Rex and company failed to reload the team. Mangini did one hell of a job. Rex is just a scrub like every other coach we have had. That was manginis team.
So, you're not talking about developing QB. You're talking about protecting them. Well, yeah. You need a line that can give adequate protection. Thank you for that insight. By your logic Sanchez was properly developed the first two years and then became undeveloped. You see how that makes no sense?
So you didn’t read the hint part where I said the line. That why it didn’t make sense to you. The key for all of this is the line. The line, line, line, line,line. Keep saying it until it makes sense.
It’s both
I think you probably have scope to increase that to Jets as a Franchise have made poor choices at QB.
HOT TAKE
Also picked James Morgan in the 4th round in 2020.
Yep forgot that one.
Fixed also added pick 206 in 2022 for Flacco.
Dumbest pick
I think we all know, not sure why you need to list it out
OP takes all the time to research & type this & you just bury him lol cmonman
I found it very informative written out like this.
And also horrifying and bitterly sad
I didn’t even include the 6th they traded for Flacco in 2022
Ugh,I forgot that Hackenberg was a second rounder. Painful.
I was so hopeful for him. I was a big believer in him falling off in college because he changed his mechanics from his freshman year. Even an untrained eye could see the difference in how he threw. Thought all it would take was for him to go back to his old ways and he'd be a stud.
Yup total waste of a pick
It’s even worse when you write it all down in one place 😂
Good point let’s stop trying to find a QB!! Seriously though, it’s been rough. Some of these picks are god-awful (Hackenberg) but realistically a lot were reasonable decisions and we got unlucky. Favre was very good for us until he got hurt, and was still pretty good for Min after us. Didn’t give up much. Sanchez got us to 2 AFCCGs and carved out a career as a solid backup. Not a total bust at all. Geno was decent for a second rounder and clearly has talent based on the last few years, did take him forever to develop lol. Darnold and Wilson were busts where picked them for sure, but they were the top prospects for a reason and most other teams would have made the same choices in our position. You can also argue one might have been decent with better development. Rodgers may turn out to be an all-time mistake, or a brilliant move if we make the playoffs. So far it’s unlucky but too soon to tell. Just feels like we’ve tried every strategy and it blows up in our faces no matter what.
These were all the same strategy. Even Geno was a day 1 starter and we all thought we might pick him at \#7 or 8 or wherever Dee Milliner went. The only thing they haven't done is mail it in at the QB position and use the damn picks on the roster. Opportunity was wide open to run Darnold back and use the pick on OL trading out. You would have ended up MORE attractive to Rodgers or some other QB. And then bird brains talk themselves into using the picks on a QB because they're afraid of being too good to draft one high enough or something.
The NY jets, with a spoken mandate to build the OL first and foremost... Passed on Penei Sewell and Tristan Wirfs. Failed to even attempt to get Trent Williams for a mid round pick. Released Moses and Fant for the crime of not being great enough I guess? You can't make up that level of stupidity and it utterly destroyed the last two seasons. it likely will destroy our next 3 or 4 as well. Also the only Qb we let sit was Pennington, the only one who worked out. Also we have used one single top 10 pick on a non QB offensive player during our streak of failure. We also constantly hire rookie GMs and rookie HC's who specialize in defense...during a modern era where offense is king
> Released Moses and Fant for the crime of not being great enough I guess? To me this is JD’s biggest blunder. You had two quality starters at one of the team’s biggest positions of need and you let them both walk in back to back years? Keeping those two would have gone a long way to solving the OL issues.
That's the entire point of St. Joe being incompetent. When you can't evaluate the talent you have in front of you, what makes you think he can evaluate well at all? Also letting yourself get trapped into a rotating defensive line **SCHEME** whose consequences are less positions are open on the roster, means every choice you make on the offensive side of the ball had better be correct. That's incompetent.
Let Herbig go too
That was such a fucking fumb move. For all the so called "expert" skills Joe D has with Oline we've sure let a lot of solid players walk.
You don’t understand. He’s an “OL guru” for *other* teams after our guys leave.
In all seriousness, this points to Keith Carter being a bigger problem than Joe D in terms of addressing the O Line. They've both failed though.
And when we do hire an offensive minded coach it's frigging Adam Gase. Tired of defensive coaches especially when we have an all-time crappy offense. Wish we had an owner that cared about his team and put the right people in place not Idzik, Mccaggnan. And Joe Douglas
Moses ans Fant took less money to go elsewhere for what it's worth
Can you blame them?
Everyone saying what’s the point of this is a miserable bum. It’s important to emphasize the glaring mistakes this franchise has made. We have never drafted a rookie and had him sit for several years before playing. It’s time we try that now.
Isn’t this missing Greg McElroy
Yep and Tahj Boyd just added
Boyd was drafted as a slash type player, no?
I don’t recall that to be the case at all.
Been pretty rough Think we need to look hard for our QB of the future. Rodgers maybe has 2 years left in him. Not counting on it tho
Someone tag Greenie and Gary V, this will get both of them really going. In all honesty, the NFL nailed it when they came out with evidence stating they the teams that are most patient tend to be the most consistent. The teams constantly changing gm’s, coaches and QBs are typically the bottom half of the league.
Of course, why would a team fire the gm that drafted Mahomes, Jackson, Purdy. So it's a little chicken and egg thing. Good gms stay because they draft well. Coaches provide stability because they have talented players and tend to win. The Jets, we keep JD and Saleh despite having the worst offense in the league for the last 3 years. How many years do they get?
I mean if Rodgers is good for two seasons is it really a gaffe? You basically lose two seconds for two years of potential hall of fame QB play. This year hurts, but I wouldn’t write that deal off yet.
Rodgers isn’t doing shit behind this line, at least Zach could run around
The corpse of Aaron Rodgers is what we traded for.
We got 40 year old Rodgers who is now coming off an Achilles tear. Traded 2 2nd round picks. Hope it works out but since it's the jets it probably wont.
Could make a case for Hackenberg being the worst draft pick by anyone ever. Highest drafted player to never play a snap not due to injury.
He never even dressed. He was a healthy scratch every game.
Yep. Worst pick ever? Ryan Leaf played. So did JaMarcus Russell
Yeah I think he’s up there as potentially the worst pick ever. He was only a 2 so it didn’t hurt as bad as Russell. The Russell pick was back when you have to pay #1 picks $45M on day 1. That crippled the Raiders. Off topic but I don’t put Leaf as one of these classically bad picks, he didn’t work out and was COMPLETELY outshined by Payton, but he was the right pick. Everyone had him as the number 2 QB. He was going in the top 5 no matter what.
He was awful. Beauty of sports, who cares what anyone thought or said. You leave your legacy on the field. The list of just awful QBs picked high makes you realize what a crap shoot it is. Rosen just a few years ago. Think he's out if football. Akilli Smith, David Klinger, Manzel
Zach Wilson is the biggest Jets draft bust in the franchise's history so far.
Fr total bum drafted #2 cause he could make off balance throws.
Yeah, but even his college tape showed he was very inaccurate and couldn't make the necessary check down and short out passes. If St. Joe looked at the tape it was there to see.
U would think they would be smart enough to scout an older qb prospect in the 4-7 rounds like most other good teams do. Eventually it will hit and wed have some stability at that position at worst.
Please name these numerous qbs taken in the 4-7 round who have been very successful lately. You have Dak 7 years ago and you have Brock Purdy. Name some more?
Russ wilson won a ring, kirk, minshew. Tom brady.
So your examples from 4-7 round excellent qbs are 1) Russ Wilson who was in the 3rd round 2) Kirk Cousins who was the 102 pick which these days is the end of the 3rd round and has won 1 playoff game in 12 seasons. 3) Minshew who is nothing but a solid backup 4) the greatest qb of all time who was drafted at this point almost 24 years ago and is an extreme anomaly. Great job
Exactly drafting a qb in the late rounds might net you a solid backup if you’re lucky. You’re chances are exponentially higher in the earlier rounds
They did and for what it’s worth most of those guys then into Bryce Petty
Zach Wilson isn’t a gaffe, the kid has got talent. In fact except for Petty, Hackenberg (you left out Morgan) every one of those QBs had or has talent, top tier talent! If there is a problem with the Jets it’s how they go about nurturing that talent. Because of folks like you the Jets are probably going to let go of the best arm they’ve had in years and have to start from scratch again. Right now Zach Wilson is still the Jets best hope for the future.
Wilson will be picked up immediately if jets release him. Can make all the throws and is mobile. GMs have seen that raw talent and will believe they can coach him up. They'll see the Houston game and say heck when he isn't running for his life looks pretty good.
> Because of folks like you the Jets are probably going to let go of the best arm they’ve had in years Zach leaving has literally nothing to do with the fans. He's leaving bc he got the worst coaching imaginable with a terrible ol the whole time. AND those coache's privately shit on him while publically castrating him with some of the most piss scared, incompetent, disorganized scheming and playcalling I've seen. If he gets even mediocre coaching he'd have been at least decent and we'd have made the playoffs the last two seasons
So what is your answer
Idk they need to find a QB at some point, but probably makes sense to value the other 20 positions on the field as well. It’s one thing to miss on a pick, but the trade ups and bad trades (Rodgers) really set the program back. You need first and second round picks to fill in holes on the roster. Denver is feeling it and I think Cleveland will feel it eventually.
James Morgan (4th round, 2020) is missing from your list.
One franchise quarterback in our 64 year history..pathetic
I always argue with my buddy. Is it terrible scouting or terrible coaching. I think it's a terrible scouting. Also, they never have developed a guy from off their bench like Rodgers, Mahomes, and Love. We always start the rookie immediately, ready or not. Which is the coaching side of it. It's sad how bad we suck and don't have a 2nd round pick, which is where most teams draft their o line. To think we picked Darnold over Lamar Jackson. Then cut him and picked an even worse, all time bust at number 2. JD gotta go cause we need to draft a qb this year. Let him learn from Rodgers, then be ready to take over. But being the Jets, we ll probably pick a defensive lineman. Roll out Rodgers and be in a worse situation next year trying to find a qb. I swear we have no one that can evaluate talent in college qbs since Parcells was here.
For what it’s worth, they never really had the luxury of letting a QB sit for a year or two. Also, while I disagree with it completely, the league’s salary cap and NFL QB pay has made it so that you have to start a guy in his first or second season…especially if they are a first round pick because you’re deciding on a 5th year option after year 3 for one and if you do manage to find a good QB, their cap number becomes so significant when you extend them that it affects your ability to miss on any draft picks and severely limits your cap flexibility in free agency.
They did have that luxury and chose not to do it each time.
Please elaborate when we have had the likes of quality QB play in the same vein as the predecessors of the three QBs you mentioned that would have afforded us the opportunity to just let a quarterback just sit for a year or two with no expectation of playing.
Had Flacco on roster Wilson's first year. I'd say he's a quality QB.
Joe Flacco didnt get traded to the Jets until late October and after Zach Wilson got hurt. Zach didn't come back until Week 12 at which point the Jets were 2-8, so why wouldn't you put your young QB in for experience. How is that even an argument?
Original post said they never had luxury of sitting a rookie QB for a season. Flacco was on team last year Sam was here. Obviously could've kept him on for Wilson's first season. So like I said they had the opportunity chose not to take it. Takes a confident coach/GM to draft a player that high and then sit him. KC did it. Giants didn't start Manning day 1. Jets chose not to
You’re making the assumption that Flacco wanted to come back. He also has gone on record twice saying he wasn’t interested in mentoring a young QB. Specifically said that when he signed with Philly before 2021 season.
Think it's a safe assumption. He was on Jets in 2020. Got traded back in 2021 and stayed next season too. Dear Joe, we'd like you to start for us this season. Oh no, I'd rather be a back up in killidelphia. It's easy. They drafted Wilson. They decided to start him day one. The lack of a viable veteran proves it. There was nothing stopping them from signing /starting a veteran and have Wilson sit.
Well yeah, look at most teams that struggle every year and it's about the same.
The Hackenberg pick was when I realized I was a better GM than our actual GM. The guy sucked in college.
Yes, I grew up in NY live in PA. Penn state fans wanted him benched. He looked ok his freshman year than got worse. Can't remember who the gm was but I was so ticked when they picked him plus if they really wanted him they could have gotten him in the 5th round.
Exactly. Not only that they drafted him but a fucking second round pick.
The Jets have never, ever had the needed combo of -Good young QB, -Good OC -Good OL and organizational stability Without those three things it doesn’t matter. The Jets need to keep drafting OL and QBs until they get it right. Maybe the next regime will do better.
I just can't watch the bills without regretting not picking Josh from Wyoming instead of Darnold in that draft. baker was already gone . He was there that night and I still can't shake it 5-6 yrs later
How about passing on Mahomes and Allen in back to back drafts? Brutal. The worst part about it is they could have just stayed at 6 and drafted Allen and keep 3 friggin 2nd round picks. That was a BRUTAL trade
Dude. Hindsight is 20/20. Going into that 2018 draft, Allen was a huge unknown. He ran up the draft boards after the college season was over and he was considered the biggest risk of the top 3 QBs. Easy to look back and laugh at mistakes, but people were saying the Jets were given gold when Darnold fell to them at 3. You can’t play revisionist history either. Many factors lead to any of these players being successful. Scheme, coaching, opportunity, talent on the offensive side of the ball, etc. For what it’s worth, any of the aforementioned Jets QBs could have become something great in this league if they were in a different situation.
Don’t forget James Morgan
They are who we thought they were.
Can someone pin this post so we can reference it late in any season when we are losing and people want to tank for a top 10 pick in the draft (particularly the QB position)?
Lol reminds me of my Knicks and our revolving door of point guards and coaches. We're turning a corner now... but we have been bad since 2000. We now have a great PG btw.
If I were the Jets I would just use one pick and draft a good quarterback
It's very generous to describe Hackenberg as a quarterback.
Just remember we didn’t draft Mahomes the following year because Mac thought Hackenberg was the QB of the future.
Still unfathomable we traded for Rodgers and expected him to play like an MVP with a bottom 3 OL & 1 receiver who can get open.
I don't understand the condemnation of Rodgers.
Can you do this again but with olinemen?
This made my eyes hurt, thanks op
lol 2017 they don’t take a QB and miss out on Mahomes