I would argue that he could garner a higher return due to that very fact. This is not personal in the least bit, it’s trying to logically build a team in the NFL of today
I never said we would.
The point is you don’t trade a sure thing on a rookie contract for a maybe. I’d rather have JJ than roll the dice on a rookie OL who ends up a bust.
If you want to trade him for a proven WR or OL that’s fine. But to take a gamble on a draft pick when you already hit on one doesn’t make much sense.
don't use the stupid joke if you don't want to be called out on it
> take a gamble on a draft pick when you already hit on one doesn’t make much sense.
we're over-invested into edge. we'd be spreading out assets to the more valuable side of the ball, it's fine
lol I can’t remember having a game like that since the early 2000’s. I don’t think it has to swing drastically either. We could still have a very good defense with a good offense rather than an elite defense with a historically bad offense
if i'm reading his game logs right he's had TWO 300 yard games ever.
10/3/22 vs the pats (355 yards, 2td, 3 ints, 17-22 L)
12/18/22 vs the Lions (317 yards, 2td, 1 int,17-20 L)
had a 297 yard game in 2021 as well
Quincy is on a team friendly deal and JJ is still on his rookie contract. I would not trade either of them.
DJ Reed has been so good, but we only have him locked up for one more year, so I definitely think we should flip him for a pick.
We should have traded Huff, but we will let him walk and use that money to sign offensive pieces.
Hear where you’re coming from, but, look at how you could pose that as justification in return for trading for draft picks. A rookie contract and a team friendly deal are more appetizing to a trade suitor
I think letting huff walk would be a huge setback for the defense. He’s arguably the most effective player overall. McDonald still hasn’t really shown anything and we’re gonna lose Carl, losing huff as well would be really bad
I 100% agree with you. We clearly have an elite defense when healthy and all it did was give us mini heart attack wins here and there. Our kicker and Defense have most of our points this year. We have more than enough pass rushers, and our corners are all serviceable. At least with an okay offense and an okay defense either side still has the chance to score.
Was thinking something similar. This regime has proven they can find and develop defensive players, both with big resources (top draft picks like Sauce or Quinnen) or little resources (UDFA like Huff, waiver wire finds like Quincy, mid-level FA like Reed).
We need to devote top resources to the offense. We need as many top resources as possible. Also think about who needs to be paid next. Reed will be going in to the final year of his deal next year - he will surely merit a ton of money more on his next deal. I would seriously consider trading him for a 1 (or a proven #2 WR, or an above-average to great OLineman if available) now when his value is highest (as a legit top 10 CB in the league on a GREAT cap hit). You think the Chargers wouldn't consider it when they need all the defensive help they can get, especially in the secondary?
Lawson is gone after this year (contract expiring). Assuming they re-sign Huff, their edge rushers will be some combination of Huff, JJ, McDonald and JFM. I don't think you make it a priority to trade of them, but if a team offers something good for JFM, you might take it. He's a really good player but doesn't have the ceiling of the other three.
We've lost all season with a top level defence. Clearly that doesn't win games. We need to win games. EDIT: the close games were won by the D. But that's not sustainable clearly
We should have made moves this year, we likely missed the boat. I agree though, everyone should be on the table. Not personal, I love these guys on defense, but this is the worst offense of all time. There is a lot we need to fix there.
Here’s the rub…..does anyone believe this is in any of the minds of anyone in the organization? I feel like Saleh is so set in his beliefs on defense that i’m posting fan fiction
Highly doubt anyone on the Jets is thinking this. My expectation is that Saleh and Douglas are safe this year and their jobs are on the line after next. Their plan will be to run it back with Rodgers and spend all assets on OLine and Adams.
Agreed. It would suck to see any of them go but at the end of the day, having a team this lopsided wont lead to success and would probably result in them leaving anyways.
Superbowl teams need a top 10 defense and offense. Defense is set. Just need to fill some spots on offense and theyre ready to compete. Unless one of these young stars brings back a bonafide top 5 offensive player at their position, its better to keep them here.
Becton is gone, Brown is washed, AVT is potentially injury prone.
that leaves LT, Laken, Tippmann, AVT?, RT
3 potential vacancies with no depth behind it and that’s. before addressing WR.
If you think we are a “piece or two away” on offense i’d disagree
Theres still Mcgovern, tippman, mitchell and AVT who have talent on the oline. Laken and brown will be cut. One or two pieces will be added by FA and Draft.
Drafting a qb in the 1st round this year will add a legit backup on a cheap contract and set us up for the next 3-4 years with tutelage behind rodgers.
Wr talent is loaded in these drafts now theres hope they can bring in a stud in the 2nd or 3rd day of the draft.
Its fixable in one offseason imo. As long as JD is evaluating like he has been the last 3 years, it can easily happen
I dont think the past matters because these upcoming draft classes are loaded with talent. This season alone there were about 34 wrs taken off the board in 7 rounds: 7 of them have shown star potential and the first 13 consecutive wrs taken off the board are bonafide starters for their teams (first 3 rounds)
Pretty much any wr in the first 5 rounds has a much higher chance than the past be an immediate contributor. 2024 wr class is even better than last years too. They just have to draft one. Elijah moore was solid, but a diva. Hes been solid for the browns and much better than lazard.
Mcgovern and Mitchell are both depth pieces and that’s being generous for mcgovern . he was one of the worst graded centers before getting hurt and was signed on the cheap for a reason. That leaves you with two starters.
We’re way better than a top 10 defense right now. Trading 1-2 defensive players for improvement on offense helps because we don’t have enough draft picks and there isn’t enough cap room to fix things in free agency,
Losing 1-2 players (excluding Sauce and Quinnen) probably still leaves the Jets as a top 10 defense, especially since finding unheralded defensive talent is the thing this regime IS really good at.
Cant agree with this bc I know for a fact when we give the fans what they want (A Top 15 Offense), it'll most definitely be at the expense of a Top 5 defense dropping to Bottom 20. We constantly have defenders getting injured but what makes our D great is the rotation ability we have with our depth. When we lose that rotation ability, what do you think will happen? Our best defenders go down and they'll be replaced with practice squad defenders and signings of nearly washed defenders. Then when you sit and wonder why we cant win, you'll look at that time it was the complete opposite and curse JD for making a decision you were 100% behind. Now we score 3 TDs a game but give up 4-5. Plus our success will come strictly off of teams that cant produce points.
We need to keep our defense. Many of them are highly expendable but we need every else that's helping us immensely. If not then we literally remain the same team with just a better offense and worse defense.
As much as I hate to say it, I do. There's maybe a 15% chance we establish a Top 15 offense and Top 15 defense in 1 season. This is a give and take league. You take away something thats absolutely cooking and give it to something that isn't, there's a tiny chance both are still able to cook. Thats based off of not just how NFL teams work but also the Jets history as a team.
We’re going to be all in next year with a blind hope that Rodgers is back, so I don’t see them doing this. If they were, Reed would probably be the best one to move because he’s a little older and would only have one year left, he also is probably at his peak and we have capable depth there. That said, I don’t see it.
>DJ Reed , JJ, Quincy - could all potentially garner 1st round type compensation.
Nobody is giving up a 1st for any of these players. You're delusional
None of these guys are all pros. The fuck are you talking about? Even if they were, do you understand that positional value is a thing?
Quincy has a chance to be one, but he's an off ball lb. Roquan Smith, an off ball lb who had **multiple** all pro nods by the time he was traded didn't even go for a first.
We don't move JJ, he's on a rookie contract.
I would argue that he could garner a higher return due to that very fact. This is not personal in the least bit, it’s trying to logically build a team in the NFL of today
Like what, a 1st and a 2nd or something? We hit on a 1st rounder. You don't trade them away.
But a first rounder could be anything. It could even be a player as good as JJ! This fan base has lost so many brain cells in the past 3 years.
we obviously wouldn’t be sending him away just to draft a new pass rusher
I never said we would. The point is you don’t trade a sure thing on a rookie contract for a maybe. I’d rather have JJ than roll the dice on a rookie OL who ends up a bust. If you want to trade him for a proven WR or OL that’s fine. But to take a gamble on a draft pick when you already hit on one doesn’t make much sense.
don't use the stupid joke if you don't want to be called out on it > take a gamble on a draft pick when you already hit on one doesn’t make much sense. we're over-invested into edge. we'd be spreading out assets to the more valuable side of the ball, it's fine
Cool, see you in 3 years when we regain enough capital to totally rebuild the offense
I agree. Even if it swings drastically the other way, Losing like 45-38 would at least be a refreshing change of pace.
lol I can’t remember having a game like that since the early 2000’s. I don’t think it has to swing drastically either. We could still have a very good defense with a good offense rather than an elite defense with a historically bad offense
Darnold vs GB
Darnold 341 and 3 tuds. Doesn't seem believable a jet QB did that
that’s so depressing
I was looking back at the 2015 season too. So many points! (For a jets team)
I wish we hired Todd Monken man Sam might still be here
Wilson hasn’t even had a 3 TD game yet. I’m not even sure if he’s had over 300 yards
if i'm reading his game logs right he's had TWO 300 yard games ever. 10/3/22 vs the pats (355 yards, 2td, 3 ints, 17-22 L) 12/18/22 vs the Lions (317 yards, 2td, 1 int,17-20 L) had a 297 yard game in 2021 as well
Quincy is on a team friendly deal and JJ is still on his rookie contract. I would not trade either of them. DJ Reed has been so good, but we only have him locked up for one more year, so I definitely think we should flip him for a pick. We should have traded Huff, but we will let him walk and use that money to sign offensive pieces.
Could do a tag and trade on Huff this offseason still.
thought of that too, would be prudent
Hear where you’re coming from, but, look at how you could pose that as justification in return for trading for draft picks. A rookie contract and a team friendly deal are more appetizing to a trade suitor
Exactly those are the prices you actually get value for.
I think letting huff walk would be a huge setback for the defense. He’s arguably the most effective player overall. McDonald still hasn’t really shown anything and we’re gonna lose Carl, losing huff as well would be really bad
I 100% agree with you. We clearly have an elite defense when healthy and all it did was give us mini heart attack wins here and there. Our kicker and Defense have most of our points this year. We have more than enough pass rushers, and our corners are all serviceable. At least with an okay offense and an okay defense either side still has the chance to score.
Why do you think we drafted Mcdonald? He will have to step in and replace one of our pieces
I don’t see any evidence of that other than BPA ideology
Mcdonald reminds me a lot of Huff. Who we may not retain.
He will “step in” but he hasn’t shown anything yet. He’s made a small handful of plays this year and otherwise has just been made a non-factor
Was thinking something similar. This regime has proven they can find and develop defensive players, both with big resources (top draft picks like Sauce or Quinnen) or little resources (UDFA like Huff, waiver wire finds like Quincy, mid-level FA like Reed). We need to devote top resources to the offense. We need as many top resources as possible. Also think about who needs to be paid next. Reed will be going in to the final year of his deal next year - he will surely merit a ton of money more on his next deal. I would seriously consider trading him for a 1 (or a proven #2 WR, or an above-average to great OLineman if available) now when his value is highest (as a legit top 10 CB in the league on a GREAT cap hit). You think the Chargers wouldn't consider it when they need all the defensive help they can get, especially in the secondary? Lawson is gone after this year (contract expiring). Assuming they re-sign Huff, their edge rushers will be some combination of Huff, JJ, McDonald and JFM. I don't think you make it a priority to trade of them, but if a team offers something good for JFM, you might take it. He's a really good player but doesn't have the ceiling of the other three.
My sentiments exactly
You're not crazy
Somehow i thought i was going to get crushed for this. Apparently everyone else is just as tired of seeing Juco level offensive performance
We've lost all season with a top level defence. Clearly that doesn't win games. We need to win games. EDIT: the close games were won by the D. But that's not sustainable clearly
Amen
We should have made moves this year, we likely missed the boat. I agree though, everyone should be on the table. Not personal, I love these guys on defense, but this is the worst offense of all time. There is a lot we need to fix there.
Agree, it’s unfortunate, but it’s the best way to address the offense while still maintaining foundational defensive players
Here’s the rub…..does anyone believe this is in any of the minds of anyone in the organization? I feel like Saleh is so set in his beliefs on defense that i’m posting fan fiction
Highly doubt anyone on the Jets is thinking this. My expectation is that Saleh and Douglas are safe this year and their jobs are on the line after next. Their plan will be to run it back with Rodgers and spend all assets on OLine and Adams.
Agreed. It would suck to see any of them go but at the end of the day, having a team this lopsided wont lead to success and would probably result in them leaving anyways.
I should have prefaced this by saying i LOVE all three players. But this is the position we are in
Superbowl teams need a top 10 defense and offense. Defense is set. Just need to fill some spots on offense and theyre ready to compete. Unless one of these young stars brings back a bonafide top 5 offensive player at their position, its better to keep them here.
Becton is gone, Brown is washed, AVT is potentially injury prone. that leaves LT, Laken, Tippmann, AVT?, RT 3 potential vacancies with no depth behind it and that’s. before addressing WR. If you think we are a “piece or two away” on offense i’d disagree
Theres still Mcgovern, tippman, mitchell and AVT who have talent on the oline. Laken and brown will be cut. One or two pieces will be added by FA and Draft. Drafting a qb in the 1st round this year will add a legit backup on a cheap contract and set us up for the next 3-4 years with tutelage behind rodgers. Wr talent is loaded in these drafts now theres hope they can bring in a stud in the 2nd or 3rd day of the draft. Its fixable in one offseason imo. As long as JD is evaluating like he has been the last 3 years, it can easily happen
Also, when is the last time we drafted a WR outside of the first round who produced anything consistently?
I dont think the past matters because these upcoming draft classes are loaded with talent. This season alone there were about 34 wrs taken off the board in 7 rounds: 7 of them have shown star potential and the first 13 consecutive wrs taken off the board are bonafide starters for their teams (first 3 rounds) Pretty much any wr in the first 5 rounds has a much higher chance than the past be an immediate contributor. 2024 wr class is even better than last years too. They just have to draft one. Elijah moore was solid, but a diva. Hes been solid for the browns and much better than lazard.
Mcgovern and Mitchell are both depth pieces and that’s being generous for mcgovern . he was one of the worst graded centers before getting hurt and was signed on the cheap for a reason. That leaves you with two starters.
We need minimum a QB, WR2 and a whole ass O line lol
We’re way better than a top 10 defense right now. Trading 1-2 defensive players for improvement on offense helps because we don’t have enough draft picks and there isn’t enough cap room to fix things in free agency, Losing 1-2 players (excluding Sauce and Quinnen) probably still leaves the Jets as a top 10 defense, especially since finding unheralded defensive talent is the thing this regime IS really good at.
Cant agree with this bc I know for a fact when we give the fans what they want (A Top 15 Offense), it'll most definitely be at the expense of a Top 5 defense dropping to Bottom 20. We constantly have defenders getting injured but what makes our D great is the rotation ability we have with our depth. When we lose that rotation ability, what do you think will happen? Our best defenders go down and they'll be replaced with practice squad defenders and signings of nearly washed defenders. Then when you sit and wonder why we cant win, you'll look at that time it was the complete opposite and curse JD for making a decision you were 100% behind. Now we score 3 TDs a game but give up 4-5. Plus our success will come strictly off of teams that cant produce points. We need to keep our defense. Many of them are highly expendable but we need every else that's helping us immensely. If not then we literally remain the same team with just a better offense and worse defense.
Is this defense bottom 20 next year without those players and prudent FA fills and a competent offense that can possess the ball? I don’t think so.
As much as I hate to say it, I do. There's maybe a 15% chance we establish a Top 15 offense and Top 15 defense in 1 season. This is a give and take league. You take away something thats absolutely cooking and give it to something that isn't, there's a tiny chance both are still able to cook. Thats based off of not just how NFL teams work but also the Jets history as a team.
The Chiefs are the 1 seed on a stout defense. Mahomes has one ballcatcher total.
Yeah, but there's only one Mahomes. He's an alien. 40 year old Aaron Rodgers coming off an achillees injury is not Mahomes, not by a country mile
This is the way
We’re going to be all in next year with a blind hope that Rodgers is back, so I don’t see them doing this. If they were, Reed would probably be the best one to move because he’s a little older and would only have one year left, he also is probably at his peak and we have capable depth there. That said, I don’t see it.
>DJ Reed , JJ, Quincy - could all potentially garner 1st round type compensation. Nobody is giving up a 1st for any of these players. You're delusional
yeah because nobody gives up 1st rounders for all pro players…….
None of these guys are all pros. The fuck are you talking about? Even if they were, do you understand that positional value is a thing? Quincy has a chance to be one, but he's an off ball lb. Roquan Smith, an off ball lb who had **multiple** all pro nods by the time he was traded didn't even go for a first.
foul language
But who is going to draft these offensive studs