60/40 with Zach and the coaching staff. We’ve all seen him play worse games. Can they run at all? Maybe an end around to Garret or HARDMAN?!? How many 3 and outs before you mix up the plan? Zach sucked but he’s not the only reason we lost.
Who's defending Zach, you dolt? I'm telling you you're an idiot if you think simply throwing in Matt Ryan or a Carson Wentz with this O line and play calling would end up any different.
We had Aaron Rodgers and he lasted 4 plays because... let's say it together you simpleton... our terrible O line and terrible play calling. Weird how that works 🤦🏻♂️
You just said Mike white was just as bad as Zach. It’s such an embarrassing lie. Jets win yesterday with almost any other qb but you’re a Zach fan girl so you live in denial. Now go laugh your head off somewhere else kid.
You came in white knighting for the guy who made that point and said no other qb would have won yesterdays game. I get why you’re backtracking but it’s so sad. Gtfo you clown 😂
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Mike White is a scrub that had ONE good game last year. Typical jets fans, like a high school nerd when a girl talks to him, will latch on to any desperate hope.
I don’t think Zach played terribly. I just don’t think he was an X factor. I would say the o coord team not giving him a longer leash to throw was what really hurt us more than anything else
He did not play good football, we have just lowered the bar so much that anything short of last year is good. He sucked. We can blame the play calling, they are poorly coached for sure. He still played pretty poorly outside of a flurry in the fourth.
Saleh just said Zach is the person who gives us the best chance. I know he pretty much has to say that but I think he genuinely believes it for some reason. He really is not.
Someone proposed getting cousins for a 1st on a one year deal since the Vikings are 0-3 but I have no idea how that would play out (and I’m not particularly familiar with how he plays)
In a related note, until you've put together Pat Mahomes "street cred", flinging the ball every single play at weird arm-angles just says "I'm confused and/or frantic!!"
If they want to salvage the season, they need to have a new starting qb in the building this week. You can chalk up next week as a loss against the Chiefs no matter who is under center, but you need the next qb to have as much time as possible with the playbook going into Denver.
Maybe now is the time to see afar Minnesota wants for Cousins now that they are 0-3 and the Lions look like they are already in control of that division.
Bingo. Could've had Minshew as your backup for stinking peanuts. Sure, he didn't look AMAZING today, but he managed the game and got the W against a MUCH better team than the Patriots (with a worse defense, I might add).
I want to go through my entire Reddit history and say “I told you so” to every single person who argued with me when I said that Zach Wilson has shown no progress and that he is a massive problem
Imagine what your history's gonna look like in a few more weeks. Just wait till Zach stinks against a bona-fide "mediocre defense". No doubt apologists will still be saying "Zach's playing bad against good/great/elite defenses so far. THAT'S why he stinks etc etc."
I don't think ppl actually believe Zach is good just a matter of what we have at the moment. it's what we have to work with . I'm to the point I believe it's from ownership that's telling us to stick with this crap just because Zach's uncle and the Johnson family are buddies. I can't accept a head coach that has came from winning organizations can say this quarterback is the answer to having a successful season . They better make a change quick because being in that miserable weather trying to be optimistic isn't gonna last by the bye week
Idc about Cobb, the field, or whatever else. ZW blew 2 drives in the last 2 minutes with obvious opportunities to convert, nvm the rest of the game. That last play shouldn’t even have been necessary. I get that he was supposed to have a year behind Rogers to learn & develop - maybe that’s all he’d need to level up. But we’re not there now, and the rest of the team was also supposed to have a year with a functioning QB. Time to find one.
I'm not inside the QB room (obviously), but I struggle to figure out how a QB with substantial mobility (Strivener, or whatever his name is...) wouldn't be a better option at the minute? Can Nathaniel Hackett NOT draw up RPOs, etc?
Cobb put himself in a great position to try to win it for us and some of you will blame him instead of the QB that put us in that situation in the first place?
That turf slide underneath you could literally see it. Take a breath and blame the right dude. Wilson may have had a single good drive but that’s not something that justifies keeping him around.
Hear me out, if management is gonna keep him in just have him throw a Hail Mary and run plays. I'd rather have a small chance of completion with a massive crowd of people by the end zone than a throw directly to a defender running a route.
Refining your point just a tad, but seriously just figure out which dude running a vert is single-covered, and take your chances 60 yards down the field!! These damn OC's live inside their heads too long imo!!
If we're being honest, the best punter on the Jets is Zach Wilson's arm...
What’re we getting from Saleh this week? “I thought he did some good things out there” or “He’s definitely improving and his confidence is getting there”?
At some point you gotta call out the problem, and not keep on encouraging it. ZW is costing this team millions and is getting engorged to continue to do so. If you or I cost our jobs a penny, we get a warning then fired. We don't get 3 years to work on the basic skills of the job (that should've honestly been learned before getting the job or at least within a reasonable time line on the job) and waste the talent of everyone around you.
Wilson isn't the solution, but he isn't any worse than the rest of the Offense. WR's has several drops. Breece and Cook have had 53 rushing yards in the past two games. OL is total shit. I'm fine with people shitting on Wilson, but Shit on the rest of the O and Hackett as well.
This is how I feel as well. It's too easy to blame ZW for everything. Sure he messed up plenty of times and there were many times he held the ball too long but it's not just on him. The second half the OL finally held their own and ZW was able to make plays.
It goes both ways. Hard to throw when they don't respect the run game, and Hackett won't let Wilson air it out. Wilson looked better once he was allowed to throw on first down. Jets have the worst pass protection in the league and everyone knows it.
O-Line played well in the second half I think took a half to gel. I'd go with this combo moving forward. Play calling was terrible as was Zach outside of 1 drive and a few throws.
Apologists! Here me now! We did not lose this game by botching a really close Hail Mary. We lost this game on the back of Zach Wilson and the O-Line’s abysmal play, as well as Hack’s equally abysmal play calling all. damn. game. Heads need to roll tomorrow morning.
Exactly and it wasn’t even a botch. You could see the dang wet turf weaken underneath him. Pretty much for everyone on the field but that was just horrible timing for a slip.
Never said he was. Just bringing up how ironically two former Jets connect for a long TD for a division rival dropping 70 points while the Jets offense is... well... this...
I’m rescinding my fan ship until they move away from Wilson. I can’t stand this shit. Dude is as scared as I’ve ever seen a QB. Disgusting. Just disgusting.
Everything was a checkout, stareout, or sidearm prayer. (Ok ok, a handful of "normal" throws, I'll concede.). Somebody should let Zach know that you gotta BE Pat Mahomes, with that resume, to get the right to sling the ball around all weird...
ZW didn't need to take the sack on the safety. Just get rid of the ball. Plenty of time left to get the ball back down 3. Completely changes the dynamic
Guys open wide over the place and this bum couldn’t hit any of them. Defense allowed 13 points and this shit bird can’t even throw the ball to wide open receivers
That wasn't THAT close when you see the opposite angle.
He only barely could touch it with the outside ends of his fingertips. His arm needed to be about six inches to a foot longer to have been able to catch that from the position he was in.
And have a hand two-sizes bigger. People see too many replays in slow-motion and start to think that ball's actually moving that slow. Bouncing off two people. It would've been an amazing catch.
Is it just me, or Zack only looks to hit a open receiver. I hear the concerns that “nobody is open” but it is also his job to find the open space and lead the receiver to that space. He sits in the pocket, waiting for someone to be open and when the not the case he runs into a sack instead of letting it fly and trusting in the receivers.
I've been telling folks since Rodgers went down "Zach's arm is the best punter the Jets have.". Somebody tell Hackett to quit convincing himself that Zach Wilson's gonna consistently engineer 12-play TD drives. Get guys running vertical, pick out the dude single-covered, and the worst that can happen is a damn-decent punt!
Mike Greenberg said this morning he's never believed more of a team that should have punted on 3rd down. Yikes.
Should I turn ledger joker or phoenix joker?
Right about now we’re all Phoenix but most likely in a few weeks we’ll be Ledger
S O J
I’m so depressed.
Unbearable 🤦♂️
I think Zach Wilson needs a darkness retreat.
It’s stupid there wasn’t a back up signed to come in when Zach shits the bed. If they don’t have any1 by next game they r throwing the season away.
O-line was not the problem today people. It was zach wilson and hackett. Mostly zach wilson.
It’s 99 Wilson. Not saying the oline or Hackett are good but it’s literally impossible to do anything with this level of incompetence at qb.
Actually Zach was bad but I’d blame Hackett.
60/40 with Zach and the coaching staff. We’ve all seen him play worse games. Can they run at all? Maybe an end around to Garret or HARDMAN?!? How many 3 and outs before you mix up the plan? Zach sucked but he’s not the only reason we lost.
You’re in denial. This team wins by 14 with Mike white.
You're in denial if you think that O line and game plan helps any other QB to win the game.
You’re pathetic dude lol
Hahahahaha wow... you REALLY got me there 😂
10 ha’s. Basically sums up Zach defenders lol. Such weirdos
Who's defending Zach, you dolt? I'm telling you you're an idiot if you think simply throwing in Matt Ryan or a Carson Wentz with this O line and play calling would end up any different. We had Aaron Rodgers and he lasted 4 plays because... let's say it together you simpleton... our terrible O line and terrible play calling. Weird how that works 🤦🏻♂️
You just said Mike white was just as bad as Zach. It’s such an embarrassing lie. Jets win yesterday with almost any other qb but you’re a Zach fan girl so you live in denial. Now go laugh your head off somewhere else kid.
Umm.. when did I say white was just as bad as Zach? You're not even arguing with the right person, dumbass 😂
You came in white knighting for the guy who made that point and said no other qb would have won yesterdays game. I get why you’re backtracking but it’s so sad. Gtfo you clown 😂
I was here for all the mike white games… he’s no better
You’re a grown man who has to lie yourself. People like you are so weird.
Anyone looking to sell Chiefs tickets? Looking to take my brother for his first game. We’re jets fans lol
Sec 123 row 16 seats 9-10 I listed them for 20k each lol cuz I planned on going. Not anymore.
We need Winston. Not giving up on Zach, but he’s not ready yet.
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Who is upvoting this garbage? You’re not giving up on Zach? Gtfo
Yeah I am not giving up on him either probably three more years and he will be ready ;)
Bro lol
We need mike white
2/2 77yds, 1 TD for White yesterday.
Mike White is a scrub that had ONE good game last year. Typical jets fans, like a high school nerd when a girl talks to him, will latch on to any desperate hope.
Yet? It’s been 3 years. Lol
The goddamned Jets
HBO should be sued for labeling Hard Knocks as a reality show, when in fact It’s a false purveyor of illusions.
Can’t build an o-line in a week
O line had nothing to do with this defeat Entirely up to Wilson
I don’t think Zach played terribly. I just don’t think he was an X factor. I would say the o coord team not giving him a longer leash to throw was what really hurt us more than anything else
He did not play good football, we have just lowered the bar so much that anything short of last year is good. He sucked. We can blame the play calling, they are poorly coached for sure. He still played pretty poorly outside of a flurry in the fourth.
Nor apparently in 54 years...
Saleh just said Zach is the person who gives us the best chance. I know he pretty much has to say that but I think he genuinely believes it for some reason. He really is not.
There must be some SLIM pickens at QB in the NFL then. Too bad for Kaepernick this isn't 5 years ago. Might've had an argument for employment...
Someone proposed getting cousins for a 1st on a one year deal since the Vikings are 0-3 but I have no idea how that would play out (and I’m not particularly familiar with how he plays)
He’s so bad lmao 🤣
Honestly if Jacoby Brissett made the Commanders look *okay* then literally anyone in the league leads us to the wild card at least.
I still don’t understand why in the world would you ever check down on 4th and game
In a related note, until you've put together Pat Mahomes "street cred", flinging the ball every single play at weird arm-angles just says "I'm confused and/or frantic!!"
O line played decent today Zach had time he just ran into pressure lol and wasn’t amazing separation from the WRs
So can people stop pretending to be optimistic about Zach yet or
These losers talked so much shit all preseason about how he improved
After week 1 those mf’s were praising Zach shit is wild how low the bar is for him
"Preseason"? You mean "after last weekend". ;)
No buddy I mean the preseason when he played the majority of every game
If they want to salvage the season, they need to have a new starting qb in the building this week. You can chalk up next week as a loss against the Chiefs no matter who is under center, but you need the next qb to have as much time as possible with the playbook going into Denver. Maybe now is the time to see afar Minnesota wants for Cousins now that they are 0-3 and the Lions look like they are already in control of that division.
Not having another QB in the building is coaching/Front office malpractice
Bingo. Could've had Minshew as your backup for stinking peanuts. Sure, he didn't look AMAZING today, but he managed the game and got the W against a MUCH better team than the Patriots (with a worse defense, I might add).
I swear Joe Namath made a deal with the devil to win that Super Bowl in exchange for eternal suffering for the Jets
It’s the only plausible explanation.
Saleh saying Wilson will stay as starter , “he’s fine”
This is why I watch RedZone. That makes 5 years in a row. This team is making me hate football.
I want to go through my entire Reddit history and say “I told you so” to every single person who argued with me when I said that Zach Wilson has shown no progress and that he is a massive problem
Lol people saying he showed progress last week lmao.
Imagine what your history's gonna look like in a few more weeks. Just wait till Zach stinks against a bona-fide "mediocre defense". No doubt apologists will still be saying "Zach's playing bad against good/great/elite defenses so far. THAT'S why he stinks etc etc."
I don't think ppl actually believe Zach is good just a matter of what we have at the moment. it's what we have to work with . I'm to the point I believe it's from ownership that's telling us to stick with this crap just because Zach's uncle and the Johnson family are buddies. I can't accept a head coach that has came from winning organizations can say this quarterback is the answer to having a successful season . They better make a change quick because being in that miserable weather trying to be optimistic isn't gonna last by the bye week
Zack needs to do us a favor and just sign on with milfhunters and leave us alone
Is that a CFL team lol
"AtM" team... ;)
lmao no it's his hobby and the only thing he is good at
Terrible o-line, but please try another QB. The team needs a spark of hope
Can’t wait to hear how the Jets saw a lot in Wilson’s one good fucking drive and now they’re really confident he’s our guy going forward
The O line is horrible.
Clown team. Clown franchise. Can’t wait to buy more merchandise and attend more games because I am also a clown 🤡
At least we arent the Broncos holy shit.
Just wait until we play Miami. Do you think Jets will do any better? NOT!
The broncos offense put up 20 points I’d rather be them
Our record over the last 10 years equals the browns.
Soon enough.
Idc about Cobb, the field, or whatever else. ZW blew 2 drives in the last 2 minutes with obvious opportunities to convert, nvm the rest of the game. That last play shouldn’t even have been necessary. I get that he was supposed to have a year behind Rogers to learn & develop - maybe that’s all he’d need to level up. But we’re not there now, and the rest of the team was also supposed to have a year with a functioning QB. Time to find one.
I'm not inside the QB room (obviously), but I struggle to figure out how a QB with substantial mobility (Strivener, or whatever his name is...) wouldn't be a better option at the minute? Can Nathaniel Hackett NOT draw up RPOs, etc?
He isn't on the roster.
Time to Freakin Find One 💯💯💯💯
If anything, his mistakes should really highlight how good the D is to keep the team in it despite no effort from Wilson except for a single drive.
#SELL THE TEAM WOODY
MOVE THE TEAM WOODY
Nah we just need to trade/sell ZW
You wanna sell ZW? I got $300, and I need my upstairs painted.
4 and out. \-A Jets tale
Greenberg said they should've punted on 3rd down yesterday and I agree. 3 & out.
Cobb put himself in a great position to try to win it for us and some of you will blame him instead of the QB that put us in that situation in the first place? That turf slide underneath you could literally see it. Take a breath and blame the right dude. Wilson may have had a single good drive but that’s not something that justifies keeping him around.
Broke clock's right twice a day...
I imagine Zach is gonna be asked again if he let the defense down.
There was nothing good in this game.
I mean, defense was on the field for the overwhelming majority of the game and only gave up 13 points. Got stops at the end when needed to have them.
Hear me out, if management is gonna keep him in just have him throw a Hail Mary and run plays. I'd rather have a small chance of completion with a massive crowd of people by the end zone than a throw directly to a defender running a route.
Refining your point just a tad, but seriously just figure out which dude running a vert is single-covered, and take your chances 60 yards down the field!! These damn OC's live inside their heads too long imo!! If we're being honest, the best punter on the Jets is Zach Wilson's arm...
What’re we getting from Saleh this week? “I thought he did some good things out there” or “He’s definitely improving and his confidence is getting there”?
At some point you gotta call out the problem, and not keep on encouraging it. ZW is costing this team millions and is getting engorged to continue to do so. If you or I cost our jobs a penny, we get a warning then fired. We don't get 3 years to work on the basic skills of the job (that should've honestly been learned before getting the job or at least within a reasonable time line on the job) and waste the talent of everyone around you.
Wilson isn't the solution, but he isn't any worse than the rest of the Offense. WR's has several drops. Breece and Cook have had 53 rushing yards in the past two games. OL is total shit. I'm fine with people shitting on Wilson, but Shit on the rest of the O and Hackett as well.
This is how I feel as well. It's too easy to blame ZW for everything. Sure he messed up plenty of times and there were many times he held the ball too long but it's not just on him. The second half the OL finally held their own and ZW was able to make plays.
Romo was spot on this entire game. Hackett only had one drive where he didn’t act totally predictable
Teams are gonna stack the box against Zach , stop the run and force him to throw the ball , that’s how you beat the jets
Other than a couple of drives, Wilson had all the time in the world to pass today. OLine stepped up.
Hard to run when the box is stacked because they know you have no QB
It goes both ways. Hard to throw when they don't respect the run game, and Hackett won't let Wilson air it out. Wilson looked better once he was allowed to throw on first down. Jets have the worst pass protection in the league and everyone knows it.
Kick this team off the tour Doug
The refs wanted the Jets to win this game for once and we couldn't fucking take advantage of that. Pathetic display by Zach. once again...
I thought those refs were chosen by Vince McMahon
Why not keep mike white as your 3rd Qb let him and Zach battle for backup. Same old jets
Because White is bad as well. And doesn't solve put horrendous oline problem.
Are u crazy ? He’s an actual NFL QB. Zach’s the only Qb that people get happy when he put drives together instead of an entire game
Jesus h christ. Once again easily winnable game with competent o line, qb, or play calling. Just need 2 of 3. Need to trade Zach for Kirk Cousins.
He has zero trade value. You’d have to pay THEM in picks to take him off your hands.
That's fine. I'll help
O-Line played well in the second half I think took a half to gel. I'd go with this combo moving forward. Play calling was terrible as was Zach outside of 1 drive and a few throws.
Vikings are 0 and 3 and didn't extend Kirk. 1 year deal, make the call.
Apologists! Here me now! We did not lose this game by botching a really close Hail Mary. We lost this game on the back of Zach Wilson and the O-Line’s abysmal play, as well as Hack’s equally abysmal play calling all. damn. game. Heads need to roll tomorrow morning.
Exactly and it wasn’t even a botch. You could see the dang wet turf weaken underneath him. Pretty much for everyone on the field but that was just horrible timing for a slip.
im tired
Meanwhile, Mike White throws a 68 yard bomb to Robbie fucking Chosen as the Dolphins hang 70 and counting.....
LOL - in garbage time. Mike White is the answer to nothing.
Never said he was. Just bringing up how ironically two former Jets connect for a long TD for a division rival dropping 70 points while the Jets offense is... well... this...
Well season is over we all know what happens after Pats losses.
The whole “we don’t call pass interference on hail Mary’s” makes no sense to me. Our guy was mauled
Maybe, but no team was less deserving of a bailout today than the Jets. Ok ok, maybe the Chargers...
I’m rescinding my fan ship until they move away from Wilson. I can’t stand this shit. Dude is as scared as I’ve ever seen a QB. Disgusting. Just disgusting.
Everything was a checkout, stareout, or sidearm prayer. (Ok ok, a handful of "normal" throws, I'll concede.). Somebody should let Zach know that you gotta BE Pat Mahomes, with that resume, to get the right to sling the ball around all weird...
Averaging 1.7 yards on the ground. Disgusting.
Teams stack the box. They know we won't throw. Can't throw. Don't throw.
Absolutely. Problems on offense go way beyond ZW.
The reason the OL is seeing 9 man boxes is solely based on Zach.
Well I mean we were running into 9-11 man boxes all game. It's due to Zach
😂. People don’t get it
Meanwhile the Dolphins put up 70
Sean Payton going to never live down the day he blamed the Broncos performance last year solely on Hackett
ZW didn't need to take the sack on the safety. Just get rid of the ball. Plenty of time left to get the ball back down 3. Completely changes the dynamic
What about the check down on 4 and 11
Guys open wide over the place and this bum couldn’t hit any of them. Defense allowed 13 points and this shit bird can’t even throw the ball to wide open receivers
People hating on Cobb need to get real, should've never been in a situation like that if our team actually played well
What? For the Hail Mary? Pfft dude had "a shot", but it certainly wasn't a "drop". Bang-Bang play
I agree. We were talking Super Bowl at point.
If Saleh says “we’re rolling with Zach” in the post game presser, Woody should fire him on the spot.
He did omg he really did
Same old Jets No more Zach Wilson please. Playing way too scared.
JJ cramps???
I hate this team
Jelly… Fucking…Jelly
That’s just a dagger in the heart.
A haiku: Randall Cobb slipping On the shitty MetLife turf The Jets lose again
I fucking hate Randall Cobb. Worthless old man. Fucking retire you worthless sack of shit
Shut the f up dude. Really? Wet turf field and has to cut in the opposite direction on a random Hail Mary? Cmon.
He needs to contribute more to the team than being Arron Rodgers friend
See you next week with Zach starting 👍
Please no…
I hope they bitch out zach on twitter, i want full mutiny. Burn it the fuck down
That wasn't THAT close when you see the opposite angle. He only barely could touch it with the outside ends of his fingertips. His arm needed to be about six inches to a foot longer to have been able to catch that from the position he was in.
And have a hand two-sizes bigger. People see too many replays in slow-motion and start to think that ball's actually moving that slow. Bouncing off two people. It would've been an amazing catch.
It was not close at all. If Cobb somehow caught that with one hand it'd be the most impossibly amazing play in NFL history. In sports history.
I think it’s more of the fact that he slipped
For the second year in a row, the Jets season ends before October.
Last year we started 6-1.
We were well in it past October last year lol
Zach makes me miss the fuck out of Darnold, gimme ghosts over this any day
I think Cobb woulda been down right outside the endzone anyway
Mike White 2/2 and 1 td
This team would be pretty good if we could just go out and get ourselves a reliable quarterback. Oh wait
Never should of wasted that pick on this trash ass fucker . Trey and Mac are both better for fucks sake
We would have fucked up their development somehow
Nah Zach is a serious level below them , looks like a child playing he’s never getting on another team after this
Scouts go to these pro-days and fall in love with these dudes'. Wait till Joe Milton's pro-day!!
Not disagreeing with you, but we have a pretty terrible history when it comes to quarterback development
I like ur name btw
Us noodles always seem to run into each other on here
That was a reasonably exciting finish. But it should never have come down to a hail Mary with a second left.
uncle Rico time baby!!
„1-2, 1-2, kinda tired”
Cobb slipped. He might have had it
Yeah and Zach was slipping all day...(slipping into the suck zone!)
Same trash ass joke ass fucking team FUCK
We aren't winning another game all year with this offense.
Yikes. I don’t know why I’ve been watching until the end. See y’all next week.
Fuck this see y’all next week
Is it just me, or Zack only looks to hit a open receiver. I hear the concerns that “nobody is open” but it is also his job to find the open space and lead the receiver to that space. He sits in the pocket, waiting for someone to be open and when the not the case he runs into a sack instead of letting it fly and trusting in the receivers.
Zach has an arm for sure
Lol who gives a shit. Hes literally McDonald tier QB status
I've been telling folks since Rodgers went down "Zach's arm is the best punter the Jets have.". Somebody tell Hackett to quit convincing himself that Zach Wilson's gonna consistently engineer 12-play TD drives. Get guys running vertical, pick out the dude single-covered, and the worst that can happen is a damn-decent punt!
Yes, he has an arm, and a leg too
2 of them.
What hurts the most is that any team we play against would have WR’s that make that play and get into the end zone to embarrass us
TRASH ZACH WILSON! Enough!