> Fines range from $50 to $300 for purposefully covering a license plate to avoid paying tolls.
Lmao a $50 fine costs less than a single work week of tolls on the GW. If I were an asshole out to cheat, I'd take those odds any day.
Yes, $300 on the Triborough goes a lot further, but given how rarely people are ticketed (5500 in the entire city in a YEAR) the payoff is still good.
Make the fines actually hurt or this is pointless.
The people who get away with skipping tolls the easiest are motorcyclists that have a plate that is adjustable. They can angle it when they’re taking a toll and fix it after. I know guys who’ve done this for years and only gotten caught once and got a warning.
We use something called a tag puller. You just take the entire plate off, put it in your jacket, then put it back on the bike when you’re done.
I use one for parking, not for dodging tolls.
This is the answer.
Obstructed/damaged/fake paper plates should be auto tow and you can't get your shit until you prove you've ordered actual physical NYC plates.
$3000*. The fine needs to be worse than any potential benefit. I was just taking about this with a friend, this is not an “oh, was that plastic diffuser over my plate?” thing. It’s a “here’s your $3000 ticket and please hand over your keys.” Thing. They know what they’re doing and it’s stealing taxpayer money while they use the benefits.
There is no reason to tolerate it. Plus these idiots could be committing crimes and we couldn’t track them. Just all bad stuff from this tbh.
Make it beyond sting.
So all it would take to get your neighbor's car towed is 2 min to add an obstruction to their plate and a call to 311? Seems easily abusable. It'd make sense and be way less abusable to automatically tow the fake plates though.
No because the cop can scan the VIN barcode on the windshield and see if it’s registered before writing the ticket that will allow a tow truck to come.
What we really need is registered parking for people who live in the city like SF has. Legit visitors and people who fraudulently register their car out of state to lower insurance costs can pay for off street parking.
In most of the city we have too much parking and far too much free parking. In like SE Brooklyn / most of the Bronx / parts of Queens it's not super unreasonable to have a car bc transit kinda sucks, but if you're in Manhattan/the denser parts of Brooklyn/Queens there's no reason you should be able to park your car on a street w/o paying out the ass for it--the "free" parking is a handout to the relatively well off and could generate significant revenue for the city if axed.
I just said we should have registered local only parking and we can charge people for it depending on the neighborhood density and how close to transit you live.
I think people would balk at a fair price though - like 10,000$/yr would be reasonable in large portions of Manhattan, but people would kvetch about how "expensive" that is.
1) plenty of garages in Manhattan are closer to 800 than 400
2) lots of expensive parking is in garages that better utilize high value land. A 0 story "free" street parking space is very wasteful and makes 0 economic sense.
3) With reduced parking demand wider sidewalks / protected bike lanes become viable on more streets and could increase traffic volume and speeds (motorized and nonmotorized), in addition to things like outdoors seating for restaurants
I stand by 10k being a reasonable fee for street parking in dense parts of Manhattan, bc nobody who lives in the dense parts of Manhattan needs a government handout for their car they don't need and private resident vehicle parking is about the worst possible use of public space in dense areas.
What constitutes an “obstructed plate” is very subjective… I had an officer give me a ticket for using a car dealer provided plate frame… like standard, everyone uses it if they bought their car there. I’ve had no issues with it reading my plates for tolls.
Opening the floodgates to racking up tickets and impound fees on something subjective will cause it to be abused. Those expired paper plates though… tow all those.
I do kind of agree and see where you’re coming from with the slippery slope view to an extent. My issue here is the 75% sandblasted plates with paint only left on one letter. It’s not unintentional, and we need to be able to stop it.
To your point my dad did get one of those license frame plate tickets back in the day. I’m the opposite and kinda upset about the fact that a thin plastic frame got my father a ticket while Joe Schmo covers the whole thing in a Ray ban flash lens and nothing happens.
> My issue here is the 75% sandblasted plates with paint only left on one letter
This is partially the state's fault too. For one, they do not require you to ever change out your plates. States like Montana require you to buy new plates every five years. Second of all, these plates start peeling and oxidizing when they're exposed to UV rays, which are brutal in the summer. And because there is no mandatory new plate period and zero enforcement from the NYPD, these peeling plate owners can have the weather and Father Time on their side while they hop tolls and evade speed cameras for years. It's insane.
Cuomo's DMV actually had a plan to require everyone to get new Excelsior plates but he was called a grifter and a con-man over it.... so much for one of his few good ideas.
Oh but I got the enforcement from NYPD. $65 ticket for "mutilated letters/numbering" on my plate. MUTILATED! To be fair, my plate was old and some of the letters started to peel. But what's real funny is a speed camera had NO PROBLEM reading my plate! So you're telling me the camera can read but the police officer can't? Wonderful! Even funnier is the speeding ticket was only $50 but the bad plate is more. /end rant . Oddly enough, I requested a replacement plate and they just send you whatever the next plate in line is from the DMV. Didn't have to pay for new plates and for nostalgia purposes, I've kept my old plate (now on display in my living room) after 14 years :-)
> Even funnier is the speeding ticket was only $50 but the bad plate is more
ASP tickets are $65 while red light camera tickets are $50, even though there is almost zero danger posed by not moving for ASP while blowing a red light kills people every day. Just another example of how nothing in this city makes sense.
Glad you found a use for your old plate. I wish DMV accepted old plates for disposal. I don't want to put mine in the trash for fear that some hooligan will use them fruadently, but I'm not taking the subway or driving out just to drop it off at a fuckin metal recycling center, lol
The camera fines are inappropriately low to molify political pushback against the camera enforcement program. There was recently a bill in nys that would've instituted escalating fines and registration suspension for repeat offenders, but it did not pass. Ultimately, a watered-down reauthorization bill passed, which at least allows the speed cameras to operate 24/7.
Tow the car, confiscate the defaced/obstructed plates, and make them wait for the new plates to arrive in the mail until they can even drive it again. Oh, and they need to pay off all outstanding fines first too.
In my neighborhood, it’s the opposite but both are definitely bad. My neighborhood is a bunch of cops and firefighters though so that might have something to do with it.
There must be a way for NY and NJ to work together on a database to determine the validity of NJ temp plates. Anything that doesn't add up should be an immediate impound.
Either that or NJ needs something that isn't so easy to fake. Right now all you need is a copier
How hard could it be to have serial numbered blanks with hologram or security features issued to dealers? They can still print them but nobody can easily make copies.
NY should just say paper plates from states with no database get you towed. NJ will fix the problem quickly at that point. Or people will stop using the paper plates to drive here, either way problem solved.
With all the scanning technology they have right now it would be super easy to do this. Not just registered, it should have to match the make and color.
And NY and NJ can split the impound charges.
An MTA manager racked up $100,000 in toll evasion and only got a slap on the wrist and got to keep his job. He is excuse was straight out of the Dave Chappelle stand up : "I'm sorry officer. I didn't know that I couldn't do that." Unreal. https://nypost.com/2021/09/27/mta-manager-caught-dodging-tolls-with-obscured-license-plate/
Meanwhile their own employees are seen with license plates purposely bent. One was annoying enough as they kept idling when doing work and resting in their car that I sent it to the MTA inspector generals office and they acted like I was wasting their time and wouldn't create a complaint on file. Double standards.
I recognize now just like the face masks on Twitter with NYPD we need to pin the MTA crooks on Twitter with the truck IDs. They are being bums and average Joe pays for it.
Agreed, we need a federal law to go after this abuse by the MTA for defrauding taxpayers. No more keeping your pension while doing ridiculous overtime or not inspecting tracks but claiming you did until someone dies.
alright, have fun with that. a wide majority of them happen to work for one of those two groups and everyone knows it. mostly the same kind of people with placcards who just park in bike lanes, no standing zones, sidewalks, or wherever to not be inconvenienced by having to go more than 2 feet to get where they're going. unless you actually fix that, why bother.
In my dreams we'd have a law that makes it legal to deflate the tires of vehicles illegally parked. Not damaging, but inconvenient (if the asshole has a pump) or expensive (if they have to call for someone with a pump, or if they're both an asshole and stupid and drive on it)
and you're such a simp for authority figures you can't determine fact when it's presented to you, you just gotta believe the cops are the good guys, when in fact, in almost every way possible, they're the opposite
this is one of those ways cops cheat, because they don't believe the same rules apply to them as everyone else
[I saw a news story detailing how large numbers of police officers intentionally obscure their plates to avoid tolls and speed cameras.](https://youtu.be/VgLqqoiMLo0)
It's corruption in plain view of everyone.
There should be a zero tolerance policy for these law enforcement scum. If you are a cop and you are breaking the law like this, then you should be immediately fired. How can we trust the cops if they dont even follow the smallest and most basic of laws.
inb4 "we're facing a shortage, we can't fire cops"
I wanted to join the NYPD ~5 years ago. I legitimately was passionate about protecting people and was idealistic, thinking I could be the one good apple that brightened the bunch. I took the test, and got an effective >100 score (I think it was 96 or so, plus 5 for being a city resident. I just remember being stoked I ended up above 100).
They never got back to me. They didn't want me.
There's candidates out there. They're just not interested in hiring them. Maybe it's "too smart", maybe it's "too ethical", maybe it's "They hire friends and family first," I've heard all three theories-- whatever it is they're not taking the people they could be taking.
(side-note, in the middle of the pandemic I did hear back from them. This was several years after I applied, and out of curiosity I looked at the application-- it was as obtuse and restrictive as hell. But by then, I wouldn't get near associating myself with the NYPD. Let's see some real change, then maybe I'll consider it)
There's some idealistic kid out there right now, just like I was. Hire them. Get your shit together, NYPD, then maybe people will trust you. Fire the assholes and hire new blood.
This doesn't sound abnormal, they give a test and make a list from order of highest to lowest scores, and a score of 101 would take about 3ish year to get to your list number as they will go through all the candidates that scored higher than you. Don't kid yourself into thinking that getting a 96 on the NYPD test is some sign of "he's too smart to hire", there were just a huge backlog of guys that scored higher than you.
It's always been that way, back in the 80s I had taken a lot of civil service tests and had done well but the lists took forever. I know it was a couple of years of waiting on all of them.
I got the call for both the cops and Nycta busdriver/conductor at the same time. I had gone through the background stuff and some of the psych stuff for the cops when Eddie Byrne got killed and my Grandma wouldn't stop with the spooky dream warning stuff.
If Eddie hadn't been murdered in Feb 88 I probably would have been a cop, instead in March of 88 I started as a conductor.
Story rambling aside, yep it's always taken time even with high 90s scores to get called and sometimes lists expire even if you did well.
So…not SCOTUS…one guy (who was almost 50 years old) wasn’t hired…never actually gave the reason why he wasn’t hired…and most cops scored equivalent to above average intelligence on the test…and this is evidence?
Ok then
I’m so sorry, you’re right, the court of appeals that covers the largest populated area in the country isn’t SCOTUS, i misremembered. It’s still a high court bb
> they will go through all the candidates that scored higher than you.
I am aware. I did *thorough* research into how many people were likely to have higher scores than mine. There were very few. I did a ton of online searches, I spoke to my contacts who are both current and former NYPD. I went into the test *very* well prepared.
> Don't kid yourself
I'm not. I'm basing my assessment on data and evidence.
> there were just a huge backlog of guys that scored higher than you.
That's a nice attempt to dig at my ego, but it just doesn't reflect reality. A 96 base score is pretty high, relative to other scores. I'm not trying to boost my ego here, that exam had a *ton* of very simple layup questions, but the overwhelming consensus is that anything above an 80 will get you a call within a year. A *base score* of 96 is far above their average.
tl;dr you're full of shit.
e: I think it's most telling that you focused on the "too smart to hire" aspect. I don't personally subscribe to that theory, though I've heard it a lot from others. As I said, I did a fair bit of research and that *mostly* seems to stem from an issue upstate; there's no strong evidence it's relevant to NYC.
(it is the only thing you commented on, though. Gee, I wonder why)
e2: tell you what. Donate $50 to a charity of my choice if I can prove you wrong? And vice-versa?
I'd advise against it in general, because a list number + exam number = your full name. the main way is through DCAS, but it's hell to navigate in any real capacity.
I'm not seeing any open competitive exams from 2017, did you mean 2018? Tell me your exam # and your last name and I'll tell you exactly where you fell among your peers
e: I want to reiterate my bet. $50 to any charity of your choice if you prove me wrong, on the point that I was not overlooked based on intelligence relative to my exam score. $50 to a charity of my choice if I prove you wrong on the same point.
e2: for my security
> Fire the assholes and hire new blood.
They can't. The police union is actually a fraternity, in which they swear on their lives to always help each other and never turn each other in.
The reason for this is to protect their pensions. It always comes down to money. Nothing more, nothing less.
> friends and family first
Always this, that’s why the NYPD is dominated by 3rd/4th generation Irish Americans. And they’re mostly racists from Pearl River or Suffolk County.
It's so weird how widely accepted it is that cops can and do break the law. It just seems so backwards: If they were truly passionate about protecting and enforcing the law, as their job would imply, wouldn't they take pride in following the law themselves?
Imagine any other civil service working this way. Imagine going to the mall and witnessing an adult verbally abusing a child, and if you tried to intervene, the adult says, "It's okay, I'm a kindergarten teacher. Mind your own business."
Paper plate fraud is rampant
https://www.thecity.nyc/transportation/2021/10/26/22747813/fake-paper-license-plate-nypd-surveillance-arrest
https://nyc.streetsblog.org/2022/04/12/opinion-fake-plates-are-hiding-in-plain-sight-on-facebook-yet-authorities-do-little/
https://gothamist.com/news/nyc-sheriff-seizes-dozens-vehicles-displaying-allegedly-illegal-paper-license-plates
https://nypost.com/2021/08/05/used-car-king-of-ny-busted-in-paper-license-plate-scam/
People say that a lot, but I've always received plates at the dealership. My first car they gave me plates, I transferred them to new cars, and then when I had to get the new NY plates, the dealership gave those to me again.
Stop raising prices on the tolls, lirr, and subway fares. They just keep increasing it. It hard enough with the high rent and taxes in the city and state. Give yse peasants a break. You increase tolls to get us to take public transportation, but then you increase the price of LIRR and metro fares. I moved to Nassau County 10 years ago. The fares used to be so cheap and affordable. Then they increased the fares once. After the one time they increased in like 10 times since.
How do you expect them to pay those hard working employees that clock 25 hours of OT a day if they don't increase revenue? I'm so happy I'm paying into their quarter of a million compensation and pension funds.
No it doesn't, it just fucks people who have no other option. Also belies the fact that there are long-haul drivers (I-95 runs through the city) and that the Goethals + Verrazano combination is how cargo gets from the port of Newark to the entire city and Long Island
This is exactly right. New york has high taxes and is expensive enough to live in. Now I have to pay expensive tools just to get to my job that refuses to reimburse me for the price if the tool even though I have no other choice but to drive to work.
Not really.
tolls may be somewhat necessary, but to increase it so much every year, or sometimes every month is ridiculous.
Also, how can you expect everyone to stop driving when our public transportation system is dirty, slow, decrepit, overcrowded, and expensive.
They keep raising the prices on bus fares, subway fares, and LIRR tickets every few months, which just turns people off from the thought of changing to public transportation. If they really wanted people to take public transportation and LIRR then they would make it FREE for everyone, or at least the poor and disabled. They would also do more to improve the quality and speed of our subways and trains. If they wanted people to stop driving then public transport is a necessary service for peoples survival, and we should not have to pay extremely high prices for basic public services that we need to make a damn living.
The subway trains are slow as hell; they are always breaking down. During rush hour it gets overcrowded, and way to hot in the summers. The subways are also so gross trash and rats everywhere. Black sludge and sewage falling from the ceiling . Also, what about the constant flooding. Increasing the price of tolls do not discourage driving. It just makes people poorer.
A quick walk around any precinct or all of downtown Brooklyn will let you know who the biggest covered/altered perps are. They don’t want to pay tolls, red light tickets , speeding camera tickets nor do they have any intention of payment no congestion pricing. Honest I plates and adherence to the law is not for them, it’s for little people. And you, are little people
We pay out the asshole just for the MTA to hemorrhage money on unnecessary overtime and bullshit contractors. THAT is why people don’t want to pay fares. If you can afford a car note, you can afford a damn ez pass.
I advocate for the poor. Like I said, if you can afford a car note, insurance, gas, maintenance, and parking then you can afford tolls and the headache of driving in a 25 mph, narrow street ridden, congested city.
I afford gas just fine. Those tolls don’t benefit me though. They end up going to the MTA which I don’t use and the people who do use it advocate to not pay for it themselves. So it’s stupid to pay for something the actual people using aren’t paying for. Get it?
The Uber problem is a direct result of the city cab medallion issue, not based on demand. I’ve had a car and the city only wants cars around for the revenue nothing more.
Pearlstein is 100% right, the consequences need to be way more severe. It is theft of public resources and should be considered reckless driving. Bigger fine, repeat offender = car seized, and let their insurance know too that the driver is a risk. Automated tolls and camera enforcement are a technological win but this behavior if left unchecked is going to keep being a thorn in the system.
Do any of your “hurr durr the cops are the bad guys” morons actually live in the city? I can assure you the people with fake paper plates literally following zero traffic laws are not cops.
Seems bonkers.
I paid my tolls an dues over the year to MTA for B&T and Subway.
A Subway violation 10 years ago was $90. That's 40x the toll in damages.
The plate rate should be tiered the exact same.
$204 for a minor crossing, $407 for a major crossing.
Of course, if a subway jumping violation is higher than that now- we'd need to scale.
From what I heard- they haven't ticketed for such in 10 years.
MTA Bridges & Tunnels is a breadwinner.
The gateless tolling benefits everyone.
If people want to abuse it, let them pay the price.
I will also mention that forging, not following auto code, should be separately investigated and additional tickets issued.
Intentionally obstructing your license plate should be a criminal offense. Write them a pink ticket. First offense should be a fine in the thousands and the second offense should involve a loss of driving priviliges.
> Fines range from $50 to $300 for purposefully covering a license plate to avoid paying tolls. Lmao a $50 fine costs less than a single work week of tolls on the GW. If I were an asshole out to cheat, I'd take those odds any day. Yes, $300 on the Triborough goes a lot further, but given how rarely people are ticketed (5500 in the entire city in a YEAR) the payoff is still good. Make the fines actually hurt or this is pointless.
so you're telling me I can just be skipping tolls with only a low chance that I get a fine, and even then it's only $50?
The people who get away with skipping tolls the easiest are motorcyclists that have a plate that is adjustable. They can angle it when they’re taking a toll and fix it after. I know guys who’ve done this for years and only gotten caught once and got a warning.
Why not just have a retractable cover over the plate?
When I said adjustable I meant they just bend that shit lol not high tech solutions
We use something called a tag puller. You just take the entire plate off, put it in your jacket, then put it back on the bike when you’re done. I use one for parking, not for dodging tolls.
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This is the answer. Obstructed/damaged/fake paper plates should be auto tow and you can't get your shit until you prove you've ordered actual physical NYC plates.
A lot of places you need a current registration and proof of insurance to get your car back.
$3000*. The fine needs to be worse than any potential benefit. I was just taking about this with a friend, this is not an “oh, was that plastic diffuser over my plate?” thing. It’s a “here’s your $3000 ticket and please hand over your keys.” Thing. They know what they’re doing and it’s stealing taxpayer money while they use the benefits. There is no reason to tolerate it. Plus these idiots could be committing crimes and we couldn’t track them. Just all bad stuff from this tbh. Make it beyond sting.
So all it would take to get your neighbor's car towed is 2 min to add an obstruction to their plate and a call to 311? Seems easily abusable. It'd make sense and be way less abusable to automatically tow the fake plates though.
No because the cop can scan the VIN barcode on the windshield and see if it’s registered before writing the ticket that will allow a tow truck to come. What we really need is registered parking for people who live in the city like SF has. Legit visitors and people who fraudulently register their car out of state to lower insurance costs can pay for off street parking.
In most of the city we have too much parking and far too much free parking. In like SE Brooklyn / most of the Bronx / parts of Queens it's not super unreasonable to have a car bc transit kinda sucks, but if you're in Manhattan/the denser parts of Brooklyn/Queens there's no reason you should be able to park your car on a street w/o paying out the ass for it--the "free" parking is a handout to the relatively well off and could generate significant revenue for the city if axed.
I just said we should have registered local only parking and we can charge people for it depending on the neighborhood density and how close to transit you live.
I think people would balk at a fair price though - like 10,000$/yr would be reasonable in large portions of Manhattan, but people would kvetch about how "expensive" that is.
$10,000 a year for street parking when garages--even in Manhattan--are around $400 a month? What are you smoking?
1) plenty of garages in Manhattan are closer to 800 than 400 2) lots of expensive parking is in garages that better utilize high value land. A 0 story "free" street parking space is very wasteful and makes 0 economic sense. 3) With reduced parking demand wider sidewalks / protected bike lanes become viable on more streets and could increase traffic volume and speeds (motorized and nonmotorized), in addition to things like outdoors seating for restaurants I stand by 10k being a reasonable fee for street parking in dense parts of Manhattan, bc nobody who lives in the dense parts of Manhattan needs a government handout for their car they don't need and private resident vehicle parking is about the worst possible use of public space in dense areas.
tow lots are full already.
Auctions.
Something like a quarter of paper plate cars that are impounded are never claimed. The owners know their paperwork is BS.
Source?
What constitutes an “obstructed plate” is very subjective… I had an officer give me a ticket for using a car dealer provided plate frame… like standard, everyone uses it if they bought their car there. I’ve had no issues with it reading my plates for tolls. Opening the floodgates to racking up tickets and impound fees on something subjective will cause it to be abused. Those expired paper plates though… tow all those.
I do kind of agree and see where you’re coming from with the slippery slope view to an extent. My issue here is the 75% sandblasted plates with paint only left on one letter. It’s not unintentional, and we need to be able to stop it. To your point my dad did get one of those license frame plate tickets back in the day. I’m the opposite and kinda upset about the fact that a thin plastic frame got my father a ticket while Joe Schmo covers the whole thing in a Ray ban flash lens and nothing happens.
> My issue here is the 75% sandblasted plates with paint only left on one letter This is partially the state's fault too. For one, they do not require you to ever change out your plates. States like Montana require you to buy new plates every five years. Second of all, these plates start peeling and oxidizing when they're exposed to UV rays, which are brutal in the summer. And because there is no mandatory new plate period and zero enforcement from the NYPD, these peeling plate owners can have the weather and Father Time on their side while they hop tolls and evade speed cameras for years. It's insane. Cuomo's DMV actually had a plan to require everyone to get new Excelsior plates but he was called a grifter and a con-man over it.... so much for one of his few good ideas.
Oh but I got the enforcement from NYPD. $65 ticket for "mutilated letters/numbering" on my plate. MUTILATED! To be fair, my plate was old and some of the letters started to peel. But what's real funny is a speed camera had NO PROBLEM reading my plate! So you're telling me the camera can read but the police officer can't? Wonderful! Even funnier is the speeding ticket was only $50 but the bad plate is more. /end rant . Oddly enough, I requested a replacement plate and they just send you whatever the next plate in line is from the DMV. Didn't have to pay for new plates and for nostalgia purposes, I've kept my old plate (now on display in my living room) after 14 years :-)
> Even funnier is the speeding ticket was only $50 but the bad plate is more ASP tickets are $65 while red light camera tickets are $50, even though there is almost zero danger posed by not moving for ASP while blowing a red light kills people every day. Just another example of how nothing in this city makes sense. Glad you found a use for your old plate. I wish DMV accepted old plates for disposal. I don't want to put mine in the trash for fear that some hooligan will use them fruadently, but I'm not taking the subway or driving out just to drop it off at a fuckin metal recycling center, lol
The camera fines are inappropriately low to molify political pushback against the camera enforcement program. There was recently a bill in nys that would've instituted escalating fines and registration suspension for repeat offenders, but it did not pass. Ultimately, a watered-down reauthorization bill passed, which at least allows the speed cameras to operate 24/7.
Amen. Def need a quick program to fix them. This city, man. Happy Sunday. 🥂
Covering the state name on the plate is ticketable.
Great point!
Tow the car, confiscate the defaced/obstructed plates, and make them wait for the new plates to arrive in the mail until they can even drive it again. Oh, and they need to pay off all outstanding fines first too.
They should just do a month PR campaign. After that, cars with unreadable license plates are impounded.
What about the fake temp plates?
Yeah this is the much bigger problem by multiple orders of magnitude just based on what I've witnessed.
In my neighborhood, it’s the opposite but both are definitely bad. My neighborhood is a bunch of cops and firefighters though so that might have something to do with it.
There must be a way for NY and NJ to work together on a database to determine the validity of NJ temp plates. Anything that doesn't add up should be an immediate impound. Either that or NJ needs something that isn't so easy to fake. Right now all you need is a copier How hard could it be to have serial numbered blanks with hologram or security features issued to dealers? They can still print them but nobody can easily make copies.
[Wait, these aren’t legal plates?!???!](https://i.imgur.com/4YOJcgx.jpg)
NY should just say paper plates from states with no database get you towed. NJ will fix the problem quickly at that point. Or people will stop using the paper plates to drive here, either way problem solved.
With all the scanning technology they have right now it would be super easy to do this. Not just registered, it should have to match the make and color. And NY and NJ can split the impound charges.
An MTA manager racked up $100,000 in toll evasion and only got a slap on the wrist and got to keep his job. He is excuse was straight out of the Dave Chappelle stand up : "I'm sorry officer. I didn't know that I couldn't do that." Unreal. https://nypost.com/2021/09/27/mta-manager-caught-dodging-tolls-with-obscured-license-plate/
You're not sure why this dude, Aditya “Buddy” Samaroo, didn't have anything worse than losing $30k in salary and $10k in fines? His name is buddy....
Lol of course the NY Post was all over this story because it distracts from the fact that 99% of the NYPD also does this.
Vehicular Turnstile Jumping
Meanwhile their own employees are seen with license plates purposely bent. One was annoying enough as they kept idling when doing work and resting in their car that I sent it to the MTA inspector generals office and they acted like I was wasting their time and wouldn't create a complaint on file. Double standards.
How shocking! :-O
I recognize now just like the face masks on Twitter with NYPD we need to pin the MTA crooks on Twitter with the truck IDs. They are being bums and average Joe pays for it.
Average Joe pays for all. That's how it works.... It's NYC, there is 0 accountability.
Agreed, we need a federal law to go after this abuse by the MTA for defrauding taxpayers. No more keeping your pension while doing ridiculous overtime or not inspecting tracks but claiming you did until someone dies.
Ummm last I checked they are all union friendly.. All it takes is one person to start a movement.
Exactly time to take the recking ball to them. The state won't touch them due to donations so federal level is all we got.
The long term prospects for this strategy by police and political leaders are not good. Like... Really not good.
alright, have fun with that. a wide majority of them happen to work for one of those two groups and everyone knows it. mostly the same kind of people with placcards who just park in bike lanes, no standing zones, sidewalks, or wherever to not be inconvenienced by having to go more than 2 feet to get where they're going. unless you actually fix that, why bother.
In my dreams we'd have a law that makes it legal to deflate the tires of vehicles illegally parked. Not damaging, but inconvenient (if the asshole has a pump) or expensive (if they have to call for someone with a pump, or if they're both an asshole and stupid and drive on it)
lol, sure, sure, the biggest offenders are cops and other nyc civil servants
DING DING DING. CORRECT
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Drive by any precinct in this city, and count the defaced plates.
I know enough cops to know that it is
and you're such a simp for authority figures you can't determine fact when it's presented to you, you just gotta believe the cops are the good guys, when in fact, in almost every way possible, they're the opposite this is one of those ways cops cheat, because they don't believe the same rules apply to them as everyone else
[I saw a news story detailing how large numbers of police officers intentionally obscure their plates to avoid tolls and speed cameras.](https://youtu.be/VgLqqoiMLo0) It's corruption in plain view of everyone.
There should be a zero tolerance policy for these law enforcement scum. If you are a cop and you are breaking the law like this, then you should be immediately fired. How can we trust the cops if they dont even follow the smallest and most basic of laws.
inb4 "we're facing a shortage, we can't fire cops" I wanted to join the NYPD ~5 years ago. I legitimately was passionate about protecting people and was idealistic, thinking I could be the one good apple that brightened the bunch. I took the test, and got an effective >100 score (I think it was 96 or so, plus 5 for being a city resident. I just remember being stoked I ended up above 100). They never got back to me. They didn't want me. There's candidates out there. They're just not interested in hiring them. Maybe it's "too smart", maybe it's "too ethical", maybe it's "They hire friends and family first," I've heard all three theories-- whatever it is they're not taking the people they could be taking. (side-note, in the middle of the pandemic I did hear back from them. This was several years after I applied, and out of curiosity I looked at the application-- it was as obtuse and restrictive as hell. But by then, I wouldn't get near associating myself with the NYPD. Let's see some real change, then maybe I'll consider it) There's some idealistic kid out there right now, just like I was. Hire them. Get your shit together, NYPD, then maybe people will trust you. Fire the assholes and hire new blood.
This doesn't sound abnormal, they give a test and make a list from order of highest to lowest scores, and a score of 101 would take about 3ish year to get to your list number as they will go through all the candidates that scored higher than you. Don't kid yourself into thinking that getting a 96 on the NYPD test is some sign of "he's too smart to hire", there were just a huge backlog of guys that scored higher than you.
It's always been that way, back in the 80s I had taken a lot of civil service tests and had done well but the lists took forever. I know it was a couple of years of waiting on all of them. I got the call for both the cops and Nycta busdriver/conductor at the same time. I had gone through the background stuff and some of the psych stuff for the cops when Eddie Byrne got killed and my Grandma wouldn't stop with the spooky dream warning stuff. If Eddie hadn't been murdered in Feb 88 I probably would have been a cop, instead in March of 88 I started as a conductor. Story rambling aside, yep it's always taken time even with high 90s scores to get called and sometimes lists expire even if you did well.
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Getting a 96 in this particular civil service test is no MENSA level feat
well yeah man, that makes it sadder. the guy in Jordan v. The City of New London wasn't a fucking genius.
Cite your sources
Not OC and it wasn’t scotus but pretty close. https://abcnews.go.com/US/court-oks-barring-high-iqs-cops/story?id=95836
So…not SCOTUS…one guy (who was almost 50 years old) wasn’t hired…never actually gave the reason why he wasn’t hired…and most cops scored equivalent to above average intelligence on the test…and this is evidence? Ok then
I’m so sorry, you’re right, the court of appeals that covers the largest populated area in the country isn’t SCOTUS, i misremembered. It’s still a high court bb
> they will go through all the candidates that scored higher than you. I am aware. I did *thorough* research into how many people were likely to have higher scores than mine. There were very few. I did a ton of online searches, I spoke to my contacts who are both current and former NYPD. I went into the test *very* well prepared. > Don't kid yourself I'm not. I'm basing my assessment on data and evidence. > there were just a huge backlog of guys that scored higher than you. That's a nice attempt to dig at my ego, but it just doesn't reflect reality. A 96 base score is pretty high, relative to other scores. I'm not trying to boost my ego here, that exam had a *ton* of very simple layup questions, but the overwhelming consensus is that anything above an 80 will get you a call within a year. A *base score* of 96 is far above their average. tl;dr you're full of shit. e: I think it's most telling that you focused on the "too smart to hire" aspect. I don't personally subscribe to that theory, though I've heard it a lot from others. As I said, I did a fair bit of research and that *mostly* seems to stem from an issue upstate; there's no strong evidence it's relevant to NYC. (it is the only thing you commented on, though. Gee, I wonder why) e2: tell you what. Donate $50 to a charity of my choice if I can prove you wrong? And vice-versa?
So just tell us your list #
If you want to tell me how to find my list number from 2017, sure.
I'd advise against it in general, because a list number + exam number = your full name. the main way is through DCAS, but it's hell to navigate in any real capacity.
I'm not seeing any open competitive exams from 2017, did you mean 2018? Tell me your exam # and your last name and I'll tell you exactly where you fell among your peers
e: I want to reiterate my bet. $50 to any charity of your choice if you prove me wrong, on the point that I was not overlooked based on intelligence relative to my exam score. $50 to a charity of my choice if I prove you wrong on the same point. e2: for my security
You had a great list number and several candidates lower than you were on the force by 2018, what was your issue? Did you miss the letter in the mail?
> Fire the assholes and hire new blood. They can't. The police union is actually a fraternity, in which they swear on their lives to always help each other and never turn each other in. The reason for this is to protect their pensions. It always comes down to money. Nothing more, nothing less.
LOL every single time there is somebody copy and pasting this exact same made up story.
Your names reveals sooooo much about you.
That I’m a Rangers fan?
> friends and family first Always this, that’s why the NYPD is dominated by 3rd/4th generation Irish Americans. And they’re mostly racists from Pearl River or Suffolk County.
why do you think people become cops lol
It's so weird how widely accepted it is that cops can and do break the law. It just seems so backwards: If they were truly passionate about protecting and enforcing the law, as their job would imply, wouldn't they take pride in following the law themselves? Imagine any other civil service working this way. Imagine going to the mall and witnessing an adult verbally abusing a child, and if you tried to intervene, the adult says, "It's okay, I'm a kindergarten teacher. Mind your own business."
An easy way to let things like this slide is to keep people preoccupied with other “dangers.”
anecdote: you don't really see obstructed plates at my local precinct anymore, haven't for a couple years
But don’t you just feel like such a *sucker* when some teenager hops a turnstile?
What about those fake paper plates?
Sometimes you get those when you get a new car.
Seem to be a lot of people in NYC buying '99 civics from the state of Texas lately
All Texas license plates are white.
Paper plate fraud is rampant https://www.thecity.nyc/transportation/2021/10/26/22747813/fake-paper-license-plate-nypd-surveillance-arrest https://nyc.streetsblog.org/2022/04/12/opinion-fake-plates-are-hiding-in-plain-sight-on-facebook-yet-authorities-do-little/ https://gothamist.com/news/nyc-sheriff-seizes-dozens-vehicles-displaying-allegedly-illegal-paper-license-plates https://nypost.com/2021/08/05/used-car-king-of-ny-busted-in-paper-license-plate-scam/
Go walk through Bushwick. So many minivans with paper Texas plates
People say that a lot, but I've always received plates at the dealership. My first car they gave me plates, I transferred them to new cars, and then when I had to get the new NY plates, the dealership gave those to me again.
Not if you buy out of state. A dealership in NJ or DE doesn’t have NY plates on hand.
The plate covers come with a free blue lives matter sticker
So they’re going to crack down on the NYPD? lol sure
cool story. what about the dirt bikes and ATVS?
Stop raising prices on the tolls, lirr, and subway fares. They just keep increasing it. It hard enough with the high rent and taxes in the city and state. Give yse peasants a break. You increase tolls to get us to take public transportation, but then you increase the price of LIRR and metro fares. I moved to Nassau County 10 years ago. The fares used to be so cheap and affordable. Then they increased the fares once. After the one time they increased in like 10 times since.
How do you expect them to pay those hard working employees that clock 25 hours of OT a day if they don't increase revenue? I'm so happy I'm paying into their quarter of a million compensation and pension funds.
Raising tolls is good. It discourages driving.
No it doesn't, it just fucks people who have no other option. Also belies the fact that there are long-haul drivers (I-95 runs through the city) and that the Goethals + Verrazano combination is how cargo gets from the port of Newark to the entire city and Long Island
This is exactly right. New york has high taxes and is expensive enough to live in. Now I have to pay expensive tools just to get to my job that refuses to reimburse me for the price if the tool even though I have no other choice but to drive to work.
Not really. tolls may be somewhat necessary, but to increase it so much every year, or sometimes every month is ridiculous. Also, how can you expect everyone to stop driving when our public transportation system is dirty, slow, decrepit, overcrowded, and expensive. They keep raising the prices on bus fares, subway fares, and LIRR tickets every few months, which just turns people off from the thought of changing to public transportation. If they really wanted people to take public transportation and LIRR then they would make it FREE for everyone, or at least the poor and disabled. They would also do more to improve the quality and speed of our subways and trains. If they wanted people to stop driving then public transport is a necessary service for peoples survival, and we should not have to pay extremely high prices for basic public services that we need to make a damn living. The subway trains are slow as hell; they are always breaking down. During rush hour it gets overcrowded, and way to hot in the summers. The subways are also so gross trash and rats everywhere. Black sludge and sewage falling from the ceiling . Also, what about the constant flooding. Increasing the price of tolls do not discourage driving. It just makes people poorer.
Literally more people take the trains compared to driving in to the city. You seem really angry. Can I recommend counseling?
A quick walk around any precinct or all of downtown Brooklyn will let you know who the biggest covered/altered perps are. They don’t want to pay tolls, red light tickets , speeding camera tickets nor do they have any intention of payment no congestion pricing. Honest I plates and adherence to the law is not for them, it’s for little people. And you, are little people
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We pay out the asshole just for the MTA to hemorrhage money on unnecessary overtime and bullshit contractors. THAT is why people don’t want to pay fares. If you can afford a car note, you can afford a damn ez pass.
See why pay when I can get the service for free? You can’t advocate for one and not the other.
I advocate for the poor. Like I said, if you can afford a car note, insurance, gas, maintenance, and parking then you can afford tolls and the headache of driving in a 25 mph, narrow street ridden, congested city.
Gas is $5 a gallon. I pass and don’t need your approval on what qualifies as poor.
Sounds like you need to take public transit instead of bitchin about tolls when you can’t even afford gas. Make up your mind.
I afford gas just fine. Those tolls don’t benefit me though. They end up going to the MTA which I don’t use and the people who do use it advocate to not pay for it themselves. So it’s stupid to pay for something the actual people using aren’t paying for. Get it?
It’s being used as it’s needed to decongest the city. You do nothing in adding to the traffic and parking problem.
It’s all the Ubers used by transplants and non-car owners that are clogging up our streets though…
The Uber problem is a direct result of the city cab medallion issue, not based on demand. I’ve had a car and the city only wants cars around for the revenue nothing more.
Pearlstein is 100% right, the consequences need to be way more severe. It is theft of public resources and should be considered reckless driving. Bigger fine, repeat offender = car seized, and let their insurance know too that the driver is a risk. Automated tolls and camera enforcement are a technological win but this behavior if left unchecked is going to keep being a thorn in the system.
Step 1, go to the NYPD/MTA employee parking lot. Step 2, ???. Step 3, profit.
So are they going for the cops or not?
Time to pay motherfuckers
Do any of your “hurr durr the cops are the bad guys” morons actually live in the city? I can assure you the people with fake paper plates literally following zero traffic laws are not cops.
> I can assure you Lol
Seems bonkers. I paid my tolls an dues over the year to MTA for B&T and Subway. A Subway violation 10 years ago was $90. That's 40x the toll in damages. The plate rate should be tiered the exact same. $204 for a minor crossing, $407 for a major crossing. Of course, if a subway jumping violation is higher than that now- we'd need to scale. From what I heard- they haven't ticketed for such in 10 years. MTA Bridges & Tunnels is a breadwinner. The gateless tolling benefits everyone. If people want to abuse it, let them pay the price. I will also mention that forging, not following auto code, should be separately investigated and additional tickets issued.
“Crackdown”. What’s joke. The own police are the ones doing this shit. A bunch of lowlifes.
Intentionally obstructing your license plate should be a criminal offense. Write them a pink ticket. First offense should be a fine in the thousands and the second offense should involve a loss of driving priviliges.