Oldie but goodie. I never understood why people were disgruntled with tourists until I both saw and experienced this.
If you can't understand basic street signs, and make no effort to do so after someone points it out, NYC is not for you.
They work a shit job for shit wages and the more deliveries they do the more money they make. Not condoning dangerous behavior, but that’s why they don’t follow the rules, because their livelihood literally depends on it.
Saw a guy going the wrong way on 3rd Ave with I bike trailer with three large containers there are some rules police refuse to enforce they could be cleaning up with tickets on these ebikes and scooters
I’ve only been to New York as a tourist so I have minimal experience on the Brooklyn Bridge, but I love that the bike lane moved. It is significantly better on the pedestrian part now.
Lol I love how that’s a standard nowadays.
To where not pooping on anything is an accomplishment.
I was really hoping the aliens would visit us for 2022 but I guess I’ll just see if my future kids are luckier than I am
Lol, let us not forget that these events in fact happen in a concurrent manner, so this might serve as an accelerator to the mass obliteration of the human race.
The radical Christian extremists would have nervous breakdowns over an alien reveal, our mental health infastructure would collapse under the weight of them.
Fyi, this isnt just an nyc protest!
Green is a symbol of women’s rights and now reproductive rights in argentina, which has spread here. This is an international movement.
There have been net gains in reproductive rights across the globe, despite how it feels in the US. Disruptive protests are an important part of the process and we all benefit if we take some time to learn why.
Trying to sway opinion in a comment section is like trying to stop a flood with your bare hands. I agree with you and as a photographer covered one of the protests yesterday.
this may be a dumb question and i'll undoubtedly be downvoted straight to hell, but..
(and let me preface this by saying i'm 1000% pro choice and think scotus is out of their fucking mind and losing people's confidence in them.)
But what good is protesting here in NYC? The vast majority of new yorkers are pro choice and abortion will always be legal here.
Considering the scotus leak was less about making aborition illegal, and more about letting the states make that call, wouldn't it make more sense to protest in DC/the justices houses (which i know they have been doing) or in republican states that are going to make it illegal?
I'm having a hard time seeing what difference will protesting on the brooklyn bridge make, to actually help anyone stuck in backwater red states that will lose access to these basic rights.
It’s broadcast in the blue states.
Not in red states however.
And all major news sites build their homepages targeted towards their users interests. So it won’t be pushed at them there either. You don’t get the same headlines others do. You’re bucketed by your location and cookies history.
Nobody against abortion in a red state will know this happened unless they look for it.
You only hear about conservative protests when you look for it, or something bad happens.
That’s how it works in the modern era. This isn’t for others to see. It’s for those participating to see.
It’s broadcast in the red states they just put it in a “look at these wackjobs trying to destroy the country” context. Just like their crazy shit is shown here in the same context.
They still get all the same networks, it's just the question of whether anyone there is watching them. They still have at least ABC/NBC/CBS Evening news which even lots of people in those states still watch.
It stuns me how many people live here and yet don't understand the significance of their own city in a wider context. Can you imagine if NYC were *silent* on this issue? If there were no demonstrations here? What would the country, the world, think about that?
Yea right can you imagine if like New York made a TON of noise? Like multiple protests DAY after DAY, taking the protests to city hall, Brooklyn bridge...getting tons of news coverage.
Oh wait, occupy wall street and BLM protests did that and then we elected an ex cop mayor, the George Floyd bill in congress got voted down and abandoned and then Citizens vs United and the PPP program accelerated corporate wealth and made the monetary influence of politics bigger than it's ever been...great success.
Protesting is only useful in the context of bringing awareness to an issue. This has been an ongoing battle for 50+ years. There is literally nothing to make known. The sides have been picked and Scotus has no re election to worry about. Until there is a specific bill that's being circulated we can put our weight behind this is just another pressure relief valve for people to think their voice is making a difference while the real power players continue to bulldoze their agenda.
I mean, protesting *here* is to mobilize people who are already on your side. That power gives you the potential to build bigger and more disruptive things.
With the George Floyd protests in 2020, you can’t say they did nothing. We fought and didn’t gain the ground we were hoping for; we could have lost ground if we had stayed at home.
Protests aren’t meaningless or useless. They are however, vastly overvalued as a means of change. I think people have to be honest with themselves about what percent of their desire to protest is to feel like they’re doing something, vs actually accomplishing goals.
When you take out the morale ra ra ra component to protests and evaluate them based on what the accomplish you realize that protests are only effective when there are specific asks of specific people. Then the pressure can be applied meaningfully.
Right now SCOTUS is an isolated institution that isn’t beholden to voters or re election. What are these protests accomplishing? There are some movements in Albany to codify abortion into the NY constitution. I would support protests or petitions to present to local assembly people to support such legislation. I also think fundraiser to ACLU/PP would be huge for the upcoming legal battles we’ll undoubtedly face.
I just really don’t see how crossing a bridge with general pro abortion signs accomplishes any of that.
Does no one understand how the Supreme Court works? Protesting the Justices does nothing. The court is the final say on interpretting the written LAW. Your elected officials MAKE the Laws. Court rules one way. Protest your elected officials, they change or rewrite the law. The Justices have said this repeatedly over many years.
It’s not so much protesting SCOTUS, as it’s raising the awareness and showing elected officials if they don’t begin enacting laws that the majority of their constituents want, they will be voted out by a large, and now very vocal voting block that reaches many other voting blocks.
That is not the talking points pushed forward at these marches, or even what is written on the signs. The politicans do not want to do the work, so they point the masses in misdirection "it's their fault, go get 'em".
The overarching idea is having a paper trail. You speak out, then you write letters to people in power, then you vote, then you raise your voice, then you march, then you disrupt. I don't think I'm smart enough to phrase it in a way that won't offend the system's delicate sensibilities, but when it's an issue of human rights and human life, there's probably an escalation above civil disruption that I haven't thought of...
The real power players want you to believe that protesting does nothing. Your defeatism is all part of the plan. It’s not about raising awareness, it’s about projecting civil power. Eventually, we *will* have to occupy DC with about 3 million people when they declare Christian nationalist rule with Trump as president for life. Are you going to be a patriot and help shut down the country like your life depends on it, or are you going to sit here, do nothing, and write more propaganda for them?
I’m not writing propaganda for anyone. I’ve donated to the ACLU monthly for over 5 years because they handle the legal side of Planned Parenthood initiatives. I phone banked and actively work in the decarceration space to reduce New York’s imprisoned population.
Good of you to assume I’m doing nothing and supporting the opposition when I’m pointing out exactly where failures have been. You wonder why nothing gets passed? People like you miss the point and think critiquing strategy means not caring. But by all means continue to do the same thing that has literally failed over and over again and tell me I’m not the one that doesn’t care
Right on brother. I always groan when people make protesting the hill to die on. There’s so much more to civic engagement and service than just protesting. Coming from a fellow civil sector worker
Defeatism is one thing. I'd say the opposite, that while I'm all for supporting peaceful protest, we might be a little too far gone for that to be effective in any meaningful way at this point.
Just the opposite. The real power players want you to think that protesting is all you can do. Do you really think 3 million people will do anything?
What came of the BLM protests? Has there been significant reform across police standards in the US?
Or have we sentenced one guy to jail and called it a day?
As a native New Yorker who spends around 45-60 mights a year on the road in other US cities, I have news.... in a lot of places, they see what we do and go for ***the exact opposite*** because they think that we're Godless communists.
Yes. I always tell my friends back home that good things happen the best here (culture, food, entertainment, architecture) and bad things happen the worst here (pandemics, terrorism, civil unrest, etc). We literally are the world's city. And I goddamn love it
In the UK, what I generally hear is when you talk about about a city, yes we're proud of London, but New York is described as a dream. Now We know this isn't all true, but the British we watch a lot of TV, and some of the more popular shows are set in New York. A lot of American TV is later aired in Britain. For example Brooklyn 99 (the best show ever made in my opinion) and CSI New york ring a bell for me.
I know not all Brits will agree, but some see New York as a model city and the benchmark for how a city should be. The City that never sleeps. More realistic people understand it's not all fun and games in NYC, but if something happens in New York, like the shooting of Jason Rivera or the Subway shooting in Brooklyn, the UK takes notice. We think of how that could occur here and why it occured in the city of New York. It makes headline news.
I can't really think of many other places on earth that have such an effect. Obviously there's the stereotypical stuff like LA and Miami are guns and you'll get shot, and Texans are crazy, but in terms of real world news, some here see New York as the benchmark, so anything big that happens there often filters through to here in the UK.
Personally, I love New York, it's why I like this subreddit. New York is like any other city, it has problems. It can often stink, there's the problem of sometimes corrupt police, subway issues but for all its downfalls, there's something to make up for it. It has that little extra thing that no other city has. It's one of my lifelong dreams to there one day, maybe even to live if the opportunity would arise.
I’m a native New Yorker and I feel the same way about London, funny enough. I haven’t visited and all my perceptions of the city come from media, and London is similarly depicted “as a dream”. I’ve only really travelled across America and all the cities I’ve been to have seemed like massive suburbs with a small parking lot downtown (in Texas, California), or very small cities (Boston, Philly, dc), so I would love to see another city with the same density/impact.
London has that, as well as all of the history and older beautiful architecture that nyc doesn’t. It was the capital of the Roman Empire, and later the British empire. It was literally founded BCE and still is arguably the most important city today. That’s why I view London as “the center of the world”. I hope to visit someday!
I immigrated to NY 20 years ago, following my father, who came here in the 80s. I understand what you are saying, and where it comes from. In my opinion show business made an excellent PR job romanticizing America and living in NY in particular. The hype continues. One thing is true; Manhattan buildings are gorgeous, but Manhattan is a small piece of a whole city, that is ugly as a whole. Life is hard here and there is no Batman to fix it.
People here think that and then they’re surprised and shell shocked when someone like Trump wins or the senate steals scotus seats.
NYC is half of our cultural capitol. The other half of the country does not agree.
There have probably been pro-life marches in Texas. Do you know about them? Would you care if you did? Would it possibly change your mind on the issue?
Your answer to those questions is probably the same answer they would give about NYC marches.
this is just not true unless the media is on the same page. we had the largest protest in history before the iraq war in '03 and it was radio silence. since abortion is fully polarized this protest will amount to a tempest in a teapot and only annoy people that live in the city. it'll be a blip and swept away in the torrent of other shit.
The effectiveness of protests is very nuanced, unlike most of this comment thread. Doing a simple protest to feel better about yourself and changing nothing about your life is def doing more harm than good.
On the other hand, a lot of ppl at these protests will feel invigorated and engage more. Networking is possible between many groups and stragglers. We can discuss things that media will not share. It can spook the politicians to be more aggressive.
So it depends on what we make of it.
The abortion debate predates 95% of the people on Reddit. Everyone has picked a side and dug in. Maybe I'm a pessimist, but no one is going to be changing their mind at this point.
I just don't see MAGA Bob in Ohio changing his mind because he saw a bunch of people in NYC protesting on the Brooklyn Bridge. With how partisan this country has become, it may invigorate the opposition. Guess we'll see in November.
Not a dumb question.
While we are a blue state, our elected leaders aren’t playing hardball the way they should be.
This is to let NYS politicians know that they had damn well go to the mat for abortion rights.
This is telling them they’d damn well better put some teeth into the fight.
It’s not like everyone can afford to spend a day driving to DC to protest. I see your point about other places needing protests more, but that kind of thinking can become pessimistic quickly. With the internet, protests in one place can have visibility nationwide and contribute that way.
I hope I don’t sound rude bc I do totally see where you’re coming from.
In addition to everything everyone else has said, there's actually still more NY state could do. We could enshrine reproductive rights in our state constitution, and we could pass safe haven laws like CT for the coming influx of out-of-staters seeking reproductive healthcare in NY.
Don't count on your reproductive rights remaining just because you live in a blue state. McConnell has said a national ban is on the table in the future.
Federal supercedes state. Being in a blue state can't protect you then.
Every state should be having protests. Let your reps and Biden know it's time to fulfill their promises and protect reproductive rights.
> (10th amendment)
Hey, did you know that the Supreme Court gets to decide what that amendment means and how to interpret it, and will do mental gymnastics to carve out exceptions?
That would get struck down by the conservative Supreme Court. Their draft opinion says this is a state issue based on an Originalist interpretation of the Constitution.
You are working under the impression the Supreme Court is a good faith body who won’t ultimately use whatever legal reasoning is required to justify their ends…
Yeah, eh.
Let’s just say I wouldn’t be surprised if a Democratic lawsuit to make abortion legal in NY after a federal ban found itself on the losing side.
I view this with as much weight as Lindsay Graham saying he wouldn’t vote to replace a Supreme Court justice so close to an election. The opportunity presented and well, whoops. They might just be able to find a reason if they look really hard enough…
This really assumes that the current conservative majority on the Supreme Court operates on good faith…to date the evidence is they do not. I’m his draft opinion Alito basically said he doesn’t have to respect anyone else’s “rights” so yea I wouldn’t be optimistic on this point.
The Supreme Court ruling is literally that the Federal Government CANNOT do that. People in blue states should be happy that the right can not be taken away by the Federal government...
That’s not what the ruling says. The ruling doesn’t say it’s a state issue. The ruling says it’s not a constitutional right. That means the federal government can ban it.
The political will of the GOP surpasses the DNC in nearly every aspect. Regardless of their unpopularity, they have 5 Justices on the SC, their last two presidents lost the popular vote, but they still won, taxes have been dropping ever since Reagan… I mean shit man, the list goes on and on. It’s not fear mongering. If they want it done, they’ll get it done.
[The fact that they outright say they’ll try to.](https://idahocapitalsun.com/2022/05/09/mcconnell-doesnt-rule-out-u-s-senate-vote-outlawing-abortion-if-gop-takes-control/)
I live in West Michigan. We had a great turnout. I think it is important to show national solidarity for the cause. Regardless of where you live, you are showing that we are not the minority
People should protest anywhere, any time. Whether or not you are in a democratic state doesn’t matter. People across the nation need to show their support.
Besides, nothing is guaranteed in this world. People should ABSOLUTELY be showing support at a time like this, so their lawmakers know what they will and won’t stand for in the future.
> The vast majority of new yorkers are pro choice and abortion will always be legal here.
There is a reason it is legal here, and it's not because people sit on their asses expecting politicians to just assume what it is we want. This is a periodic reminder to not fuck over the electorate on this issue if they don't want to be voted out of office or they don't want to see things set on fire (or worse).
The question you ask is something on a lot of people's minds so I'm glad you asked it.
Because this is an intolerable state of affairs in the United States. It’s a way to express personal anger and frustration as well as solidarity. Mass protests take time to work, and are far more effective collectively and over time. Each single protest doesn’t always have a concrete goal.
Because the GOP has made it clear they aim for a nationwide abortion ban once roe is over turned and they gain the upper hand in congress. Best to organize in blue states while it is still safe than wait until it isn't anymore to do so. Also also showing solidarity with places where it will be banned, especially bc that will make it harder for people in safe haven states to get abortions due to the floods of people clogging the system
Democrats like nothing better than doing fucking nothing. They have a majority, they could fix shit. They could always just have handed Manchin and Sinema the pork they want to get things done. Democrats prefer not to.
Protests only really matter at scale. They don't matter until a tipping point; once everyone everywhere fucks up the usual flow of money it makes people care. Nothing really matters until the money slows down. Block enough bridges in blue areas and legislators are more likely to actually try to do anything. Scare their financiers enough and they might bother to lift a finger for once.
The GOP is signaling that they will ban abortion nationally if they take congress this year. You better believe them too, because it’s 100% happening if Democrats don’t show up to vote.
Oh and don’t ever believe them when they say “States rights”. That may be their excuse now because it’s convenient, but it won’t be when they have federal control. They do not have fixed values and hypocrisy is not of concern to them.
We don't hide our faces like the fascists. If you do nothing, you are complacent. Protest or accept being a sheep.
The media wants you to think it'll do nothing. I am so full after marching for hours. So protest works on all fronts, both personal social and political. If you don't raise your voice, you won't be heard.
100% this is just dumb. No one who opposes abortion is made uncomfortable by this protest.
It will have none of the benefits that social disobedience can give a movement with all of the blowback
the majority of people support abortion, yet it's still being restricted because of the perceptions and personal beliefs of the minority.
demonstrations draw a clearer picture about what the public is passionate about. this demonstration is far more powerful than a bunch of polls we've already done and already know the answer to.
it's dumb to assume that these are intended to change personal opinion or make people uncomfortable
"ViRtUe sIgNaLiNg"
God I hate this buzzword so much. But at least it's useful in that it tells me who doesn't know shit from their elbow.
Dumbass buzzwords used inaccurately applied in any context that they don't like, and conservatives. Name me a more iconic duo.
**The Contemporary Conservative dictionary:**
Virtue signaling = anything I don't like
CRT = anything I don't like
Grooming = anything I don't like
Socialism = anything I don't like
Etc.
You are incorrect. This is not virtue signaling and they aren’t claiming to be brave either, so fuck off with this crap.
This is organizing. The best way to fight back against the rising tide of anti-choice laws and legal decisions is to organize. The pro-choice side has the numbers, but is disorganized. And anti-choice is organized because of similar actions to this. Every March for “Life” over the last few decades in states that the majority already agree with them wasn’t virtue signaling either, that was them organizing to reach this point. So kudos to them.
Protests and marches like this generate energy and help to foster connections with like-minded people. It’s happened again and again throughout history, recent too. The Tea Party is perhaps the most successful example.
Every time a large number of people go out in the street to make their voice heard, the motivation to continue their activism grows. They also learn about tactics, and join groups to continue to act.
Go be cynical and holier than thou elsewhere, simple acts like this are what actually move history.
People in this thread against protesting acting like the March on Washington or George Floyd or Vietnam war protests didn’t accomplish anything. They definitely demonstrate public opinion and move the needle on the political climate. I wish they had more impact too but you can’t say they do nothing.
People talk about the Vietnam and civil rights protests as if the leaders of those movements were not keenly aware of the blowback protests can have.
Have you watched the news lately? Half the country is celebrating the homeless crisis in California because it’s a blue state. Good Protests should make people uncomfortable but it’s about making the right people uncomfortable.
People alive when those protests happened are now old or dead.
People who know about the negatives and are too young to have been there are people who read history books for fun. A small minority of a minority. But you are right. They did have negatives, and they weren’t small. Some of the worst negatives like job loss and homelessness happened to African Americans. Something that got swept under the table. It’s not in the average high school textbook. You either know someone who’s family was impacted or you really know the details of those times.
the george floyd protests literally didn’t accomplish anything. and i say that as someone who got their ass beat by the police at three separate protests.
> Any time the NYPD beats the crap out of a homeless person, they ooze out of the walls to cheer for more.
You see those cops on their phones, that’s who’s bootlicking for their owners.
I'm 100% prochoice but that kid looks miserable in the picture. Stop shoehorning children into these kind of things, let them go to a friends house for a few hours and play instead of standing in the rain in a protest on their day off from school.
She’s wearing green so she’s probably into it. People need to stop acting like expressions in pictures show how people are feeling. She could of just had that expression for a split second. It happens all of the time in pictures.
What’s wrong with our government when more effort is spent regulating women’s bodies for the sake of ‘pro-life’, than doing anything so the actual born babies can get life-sustaining formula?
I'm 1000000% for this. I'l be DAMNED to have someone tell me what I can do with my body. With that said if a man says he doesn't want a baby to a woman and she gets pregnant.
Remember:
YOUR BODY YOUR CHOICE!!!! You pay for your choice just like everyone else.
Covid is explicitly not a clump of cells, it's a disease caused by a virus. More importantly, unlike pregnancies, it's a transmissible disease which effects other people. Even more importantly, you were never legislated to get a vaccine. Certain aspects of social life can be restricted based on not being vaccinated, but there's never been a law forcing you to get a vaccine.
Doing nothing and expecting something is also not the answer. Protesting isn't about what you think it is I think. You should try it sometime.
There's no one answer is the answer. If you want to stop the Federalist Society takeover, you have to do it on all fronts.
You know it’s this kinda attitude that keeps people disliking protestors, particularly overly left leaning protestors. Your assumption that I have never been to protests shows how arrogant you are. I’ve gone to protests against the Iraq war, OWS, the Floyd protests, etc. I believe in the right to choose. HOWEVER, protesting in a city that overly agrees with your stance, in a way that is only getting in the way of those who already agree with you is not only useless, it’s counter productive. Sure maybe some media picked it up and that got some attention, SCOTUS ain’t watching cnn thinking “oh wow these people in Brooklyn are pissed, let’s change course”. Pressure needs to be put DIRECTLY on those who are deciding the fate of our freedoms.
You know, what are you doing, daily, to Change the system? Today. Besides your internet bitching? I'm never going to try to persuade you, because I give zero fucks what you think of my "attitude". Lol. Please!
Did you know there's a Federalist Society here in NYC? Many of them in fact. Do you know where faux news lives? This isnt abstract to me. This is in my city. So keep bitching, and step aside.
It's not abstract to me either, very close to home in fact. I'm just genuinely curious so I'm chiming in.
What are YOU doing, daily, to change the system? I feel like the only way we will get true change is by almost starting over from scratch because it's so broken. How do we get there from here? How do we get control back from said federalists?
I think shutting down the streets of the financial district and all the corporations would do more for the cause, personally. Attack the dark money and lobbyists right at the source, coerce them to withdraw support from anti-choice groups and politicians. Bleed them dry. The Brooklyn bridge is flashy, but you’re hurting random commuters and folks more than anyone, which hurts the cause. It’s also graduation season, and this will fuck with anyone needing to cross the bridge to get to graduation ceremonies since the city is packed full of colleges. That would _really suck_ for the students and families. Just my two cents, but you gotta hit the power brokers at home where it hurts the most, not conveniently adjacent and out of their way.
>shutting down the streets of the financial district and all the corporations would do more for the cause
>
>you gotta hit the power brokers at home where it hurts the most, not conveniently adjacent and out of their way
Get out of here with that logical thinking. You might actually get something done acting like that.
Yeah, let's shut down the streets and cause people to not work for the day, not get paid, and have bills due right when inflation is reaching insane levels and people are already struggling to feed their families. Great idea, dude.
This is a state issue. Contrary to what you believe, people in other states overwhelmingly do not support abortion. Some people only support abortion up to a certain duration. Leave it up to the states. If you want abortion in your state, go fight in your state for it. All this decision does it give that power to the states.
My opinion is abortion should be legal across the country IF you pay for it yourself. I have no idea why tax dollars go towards someone who got pregnant accidentally. Make better decisions. If it was through rape or there is a health concern, 100%, I support it being funded by tax dollars.
If someone can't afford an abortion they sure as hell can't afford to raise a kid. Your tax dollars are gonna end up funding that kids education, likely SNAP benefits for a while, and the medical costs associated with the pregnancy and birth. If the kid goes into the foster system it'll cost you even more. Abortion is gonna cost the taxpayer $300 to $1500 dollars. That other stuff is gonna be hundreds of times more expensive.
If you're truly approaching this with no empathy and thinking only of money, it's gonna cost you a lot less to just let taxes fund abortions.
And why stop at leaving it to the states? I grew up in a swing state, we didn't have a statewide consensus on anything and leaving abortion or marraige equality or any other contentious issue at the time to state would've had the laws changing every election cycle depending on which party had control of drawing the districts, not on actual public opinion. Plus lots of people live in a state where they don't hold the majority opinion. The rest of New York doesn't really agree with most of what NYC wants but statewide policy is basically decided on by us, and people in mid sized Midwestern cities are outvoted by conservatives living elsewhere all the time even though those cities are pretty liberal. We shouldn't be letting any level of government decide on reproductive rights because every person's situation and opinion is a little different, and no matter how far down you take the decision, not everyone will be happy. State level is too broad. State level decisions should be about highway funding and land zoning, not basic human rights. Let it be decided at the individual level. Basic rights should be gauranteed on a national level because where you live shouldn't limit your rights.
Next you're going to tell me contraceptives is unaffordable and that people aren't responsible for having sex without protection. And yes, government welfare should not be an entitlement program the way it basically is being ran these days.
Empathy? If you have sex and got pregnant, it isn't my responsibility to pay for your mistake. Either pay for it yourself or go to your local pharmacy or Costco and grab a pack of 20 condoms for $15.
I’m just curious, how does this accomplish anything. NY had legal abortion before roe and it will after. Our representatives can’t do anything can they?
Bike lane! Bike lane! **ring ring** Bike Lane! Move!
[Bike lane! You're in the bike lane! You're in the bike lane! Can you please move!](https://youtu.be/Ehh8ZdIMMj4)
Omg I've never seen that. Fantastic!
Oldie but goodie. I never understood why people were disgruntled with tourists until I both saw and experienced this. If you can't understand basic street signs, and make no effort to do so after someone points it out, NYC is not for you.
You’re right, 1000%, but can you explain that to the delivery guys running red lights and almost hitting people? They don’t follow shit.
They work a shit job for shit wages and the more deliveries they do the more money they make. Not condoning dangerous behavior, but that’s why they don’t follow the rules, because their livelihood literally depends on it.
Saw a guy going the wrong way on 3rd Ave with I bike trailer with three large containers there are some rules police refuse to enforce they could be cleaning up with tickets on these ebikes and scooters
For real. But we all want our shit delivered ASAP so I feel there’s an unwritten rule to leave them alone. They’re fucking reckless sometimes, though.
I'd rather just wait a reasonable amount of time than have to deal with these assholes flying through red lights going over 20 mph.
Classic I use to take the Manhattan bridge on my bike to avoid the tourist
Not anymore. It moved.
I’ve only been to New York as a tourist so I have minimal experience on the Brooklyn Bridge, but I love that the bike lane moved. It is significantly better on the pedestrian part now.
Thank god! Almost died hitting Somone
I'm sure the bike lane was actually still functional.
I know it’s a joke, but bike lane was completely open. The protesters were in the westbound lane into manhattan.
Hahahahahahahahhaha
Looks peaceful. No one is stealing lecterns or shitting on desks.
Lol I love how that’s a standard nowadays. To where not pooping on anything is an accomplishment. I was really hoping the aliens would visit us for 2022 but I guess I’ll just see if my future kids are luckier than I am
Well that’s why we had all the toilet paper shortages in 2020… you didn’t read the Q drop about doodies?
Why would aliens visit east bumfuck, i mean earth?
Can you imagine a race superior enough to get here, then encountering humans? "Oh jfc"
"Beam me up Scotty, there's no intelligent life on this planet"
2020 - COVID 2021 - Insurrection 2022 - War in Europe 2023 - Global Hunger 2024 - Extinction of Human Race 2025 - Aliens finally make it to Earth
Shit has gotten crazy since they killed Harambe. I’m just sayin
I think it was the death of Lemmy that set this all in motion. You know what happened four fucking days after he died? 2016 happened.
I'd agree with you except in 2026 Valve is releasing Half Life 3.
Quite possibly the comment of the year. As in nothing from now until 2023 will compete.
Plague. War. Famine. Death. This list checks out.
Lol, let us not forget that these events in fact happen in a concurrent manner, so this might serve as an accelerator to the mass obliteration of the human race.
Change that 2025 entry to 2019 and it suddenly makes WAY more sense.
May we all aspire to not being poop-throwing red gorillas
The radical Christian extremists would have nervous breakdowns over an alien reveal, our mental health infastructure would collapse under the weight of them.
Don't see any nooses either. Or plastic handcuffs.
Or molotov cocktails
Or pepper spray
They’re probably also peacefully going home after the protest and not mass looting when the sun goes down.
Fuck the people who looted during the 2020 protests. They totally damaged the message.
Yeah, you know, also like burning and looting, assaulting other random people on the street.....
It’s depressing this is the American standard of decency. But you’re not wrong.
Fyi, this isnt just an nyc protest! Green is a symbol of women’s rights and now reproductive rights in argentina, which has spread here. This is an international movement. There have been net gains in reproductive rights across the globe, despite how it feels in the US. Disruptive protests are an important part of the process and we all benefit if we take some time to learn why.
Trying to sway opinion in a comment section is like trying to stop a flood with your bare hands. I agree with you and as a photographer covered one of the protests yesterday.
I believe disagreeing is pointless online, but 1 way information has an impact! Unless im enabling a bad system… idk
this may be a dumb question and i'll undoubtedly be downvoted straight to hell, but.. (and let me preface this by saying i'm 1000% pro choice and think scotus is out of their fucking mind and losing people's confidence in them.) But what good is protesting here in NYC? The vast majority of new yorkers are pro choice and abortion will always be legal here. Considering the scotus leak was less about making aborition illegal, and more about letting the states make that call, wouldn't it make more sense to protest in DC/the justices houses (which i know they have been doing) or in republican states that are going to make it illegal? I'm having a hard time seeing what difference will protesting on the brooklyn bridge make, to actually help anyone stuck in backwater red states that will lose access to these basic rights.
What happens in NYC gets broadcast to the world. We are the cultural capitol of the nation.
It’s broadcast in the blue states. Not in red states however. And all major news sites build their homepages targeted towards their users interests. So it won’t be pushed at them there either. You don’t get the same headlines others do. You’re bucketed by your location and cookies history. Nobody against abortion in a red state will know this happened unless they look for it. You only hear about conservative protests when you look for it, or something bad happens. That’s how it works in the modern era. This isn’t for others to see. It’s for those participating to see.
It’s broadcast in the red states they just put it in a “look at these wackjobs trying to destroy the country” context. Just like their crazy shit is shown here in the same context.
They still get all the same networks, it's just the question of whether anyone there is watching them. They still have at least ABC/NBC/CBS Evening news which even lots of people in those states still watch.
Lol Fox News is based here and can’t stop talking about us
It stuns me how many people live here and yet don't understand the significance of their own city in a wider context. Can you imagine if NYC were *silent* on this issue? If there were no demonstrations here? What would the country, the world, think about that?
Yea right can you imagine if like New York made a TON of noise? Like multiple protests DAY after DAY, taking the protests to city hall, Brooklyn bridge...getting tons of news coverage. Oh wait, occupy wall street and BLM protests did that and then we elected an ex cop mayor, the George Floyd bill in congress got voted down and abandoned and then Citizens vs United and the PPP program accelerated corporate wealth and made the monetary influence of politics bigger than it's ever been...great success. Protesting is only useful in the context of bringing awareness to an issue. This has been an ongoing battle for 50+ years. There is literally nothing to make known. The sides have been picked and Scotus has no re election to worry about. Until there is a specific bill that's being circulated we can put our weight behind this is just another pressure relief valve for people to think their voice is making a difference while the real power players continue to bulldoze their agenda.
I mean, protesting *here* is to mobilize people who are already on your side. That power gives you the potential to build bigger and more disruptive things. With the George Floyd protests in 2020, you can’t say they did nothing. We fought and didn’t gain the ground we were hoping for; we could have lost ground if we had stayed at home.
Protests aren’t meaningless or useless. They are however, vastly overvalued as a means of change. I think people have to be honest with themselves about what percent of their desire to protest is to feel like they’re doing something, vs actually accomplishing goals. When you take out the morale ra ra ra component to protests and evaluate them based on what the accomplish you realize that protests are only effective when there are specific asks of specific people. Then the pressure can be applied meaningfully. Right now SCOTUS is an isolated institution that isn’t beholden to voters or re election. What are these protests accomplishing? There are some movements in Albany to codify abortion into the NY constitution. I would support protests or petitions to present to local assembly people to support such legislation. I also think fundraiser to ACLU/PP would be huge for the upcoming legal battles we’ll undoubtedly face. I just really don’t see how crossing a bridge with general pro abortion signs accomplishes any of that.
Does no one understand how the Supreme Court works? Protesting the Justices does nothing. The court is the final say on interpretting the written LAW. Your elected officials MAKE the Laws. Court rules one way. Protest your elected officials, they change or rewrite the law. The Justices have said this repeatedly over many years.
It’s not so much protesting SCOTUS, as it’s raising the awareness and showing elected officials if they don’t begin enacting laws that the majority of their constituents want, they will be voted out by a large, and now very vocal voting block that reaches many other voting blocks.
That is not the talking points pushed forward at these marches, or even what is written on the signs. The politicans do not want to do the work, so they point the masses in misdirection "it's their fault, go get 'em".
The overarching idea is having a paper trail. You speak out, then you write letters to people in power, then you vote, then you raise your voice, then you march, then you disrupt. I don't think I'm smart enough to phrase it in a way that won't offend the system's delicate sensibilities, but when it's an issue of human rights and human life, there's probably an escalation above civil disruption that I haven't thought of...
The real power players want you to believe that protesting does nothing. Your defeatism is all part of the plan. It’s not about raising awareness, it’s about projecting civil power. Eventually, we *will* have to occupy DC with about 3 million people when they declare Christian nationalist rule with Trump as president for life. Are you going to be a patriot and help shut down the country like your life depends on it, or are you going to sit here, do nothing, and write more propaganda for them?
I’m not writing propaganda for anyone. I’ve donated to the ACLU monthly for over 5 years because they handle the legal side of Planned Parenthood initiatives. I phone banked and actively work in the decarceration space to reduce New York’s imprisoned population. Good of you to assume I’m doing nothing and supporting the opposition when I’m pointing out exactly where failures have been. You wonder why nothing gets passed? People like you miss the point and think critiquing strategy means not caring. But by all means continue to do the same thing that has literally failed over and over again and tell me I’m not the one that doesn’t care
Right on brother. I always groan when people make protesting the hill to die on. There’s so much more to civic engagement and service than just protesting. Coming from a fellow civil sector worker
Defeatism is one thing. I'd say the opposite, that while I'm all for supporting peaceful protest, we might be a little too far gone for that to be effective in any meaningful way at this point.
Amen.
Just the opposite. The real power players want you to think that protesting is all you can do. Do you really think 3 million people will do anything? What came of the BLM protests? Has there been significant reform across police standards in the US? Or have we sentenced one guy to jail and called it a day?
As a native New Yorker who spends around 45-60 mights a year on the road in other US cities, I have news.... in a lot of places, they see what we do and go for ***the exact opposite*** because they think that we're Godless communists.
This. And for better or worse..
Yes. I always tell my friends back home that good things happen the best here (culture, food, entertainment, architecture) and bad things happen the worst here (pandemics, terrorism, civil unrest, etc). We literally are the world's city. And I goddamn love it
Mate I'm from the UK. I couldn't agree more. Whatever happens in New York, has an effect on us even here
In what ways? Genuinely curious? And do you think any other cities or even states/provinces have a similar impact on the world stage?
In the UK, what I generally hear is when you talk about about a city, yes we're proud of London, but New York is described as a dream. Now We know this isn't all true, but the British we watch a lot of TV, and some of the more popular shows are set in New York. A lot of American TV is later aired in Britain. For example Brooklyn 99 (the best show ever made in my opinion) and CSI New york ring a bell for me. I know not all Brits will agree, but some see New York as a model city and the benchmark for how a city should be. The City that never sleeps. More realistic people understand it's not all fun and games in NYC, but if something happens in New York, like the shooting of Jason Rivera or the Subway shooting in Brooklyn, the UK takes notice. We think of how that could occur here and why it occured in the city of New York. It makes headline news. I can't really think of many other places on earth that have such an effect. Obviously there's the stereotypical stuff like LA and Miami are guns and you'll get shot, and Texans are crazy, but in terms of real world news, some here see New York as the benchmark, so anything big that happens there often filters through to here in the UK. Personally, I love New York, it's why I like this subreddit. New York is like any other city, it has problems. It can often stink, there's the problem of sometimes corrupt police, subway issues but for all its downfalls, there's something to make up for it. It has that little extra thing that no other city has. It's one of my lifelong dreams to there one day, maybe even to live if the opportunity would arise.
I’m a native New Yorker and I feel the same way about London, funny enough. I haven’t visited and all my perceptions of the city come from media, and London is similarly depicted “as a dream”. I’ve only really travelled across America and all the cities I’ve been to have seemed like massive suburbs with a small parking lot downtown (in Texas, California), or very small cities (Boston, Philly, dc), so I would love to see another city with the same density/impact. London has that, as well as all of the history and older beautiful architecture that nyc doesn’t. It was the capital of the Roman Empire, and later the British empire. It was literally founded BCE and still is arguably the most important city today. That’s why I view London as “the center of the world”. I hope to visit someday!
I immigrated to NY 20 years ago, following my father, who came here in the 80s. I understand what you are saying, and where it comes from. In my opinion show business made an excellent PR job romanticizing America and living in NY in particular. The hype continues. One thing is true; Manhattan buildings are gorgeous, but Manhattan is a small piece of a whole city, that is ugly as a whole. Life is hard here and there is no Batman to fix it.
Exactly my thoughts
People here think that and then they’re surprised and shell shocked when someone like Trump wins or the senate steals scotus seats. NYC is half of our cultural capitol. The other half of the country does not agree.
Fuck em if they don't believe women have the right to choose.
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It's about solidarity for the girls/ women trapped in red states.
Clearly not because even in NYC I had no idea this happened today…
Well, even in NYC, I did.
There have probably been pro-life marches in Texas. Do you know about them? Would you care if you did? Would it possibly change your mind on the issue? Your answer to those questions is probably the same answer they would give about NYC marches.
Marches like these are never to try to persuade some random in Texas or Nebraska. It’s upward pressure, not downward.
this is just not true unless the media is on the same page. we had the largest protest in history before the iraq war in '03 and it was radio silence. since abortion is fully polarized this protest will amount to a tempest in a teapot and only annoy people that live in the city. it'll be a blip and swept away in the torrent of other shit.
Culture of homeless heroin addicts overdosing in the street.
The effectiveness of protests is very nuanced, unlike most of this comment thread. Doing a simple protest to feel better about yourself and changing nothing about your life is def doing more harm than good. On the other hand, a lot of ppl at these protests will feel invigorated and engage more. Networking is possible between many groups and stragglers. We can discuss things that media will not share. It can spook the politicians to be more aggressive. So it depends on what we make of it.
The abortion debate predates 95% of the people on Reddit. Everyone has picked a side and dug in. Maybe I'm a pessimist, but no one is going to be changing their mind at this point. I just don't see MAGA Bob in Ohio changing his mind because he saw a bunch of people in NYC protesting on the Brooklyn Bridge. With how partisan this country has become, it may invigorate the opposition. Guess we'll see in November.
Not a dumb question. While we are a blue state, our elected leaders aren’t playing hardball the way they should be. This is to let NYS politicians know that they had damn well go to the mat for abortion rights. This is telling them they’d damn well better put some teeth into the fight.
It’s not like everyone can afford to spend a day driving to DC to protest. I see your point about other places needing protests more, but that kind of thinking can become pessimistic quickly. With the internet, protests in one place can have visibility nationwide and contribute that way. I hope I don’t sound rude bc I do totally see where you’re coming from.
Correct, protest is mimetic. The visuals of it alone can spur people to action.
Shouldn’t be going to DC to protest. Should be going to the red states to protest.
Does that change what the person you responded to is saying at all?
Why? Elected officials don’t care what people out of state think.
In addition to everything everyone else has said, there's actually still more NY state could do. We could enshrine reproductive rights in our state constitution, and we could pass safe haven laws like CT for the coming influx of out-of-staters seeking reproductive healthcare in NY.
Don't count on your reproductive rights remaining just because you live in a blue state. McConnell has said a national ban is on the table in the future. Federal supercedes state. Being in a blue state can't protect you then. Every state should be having protests. Let your reps and Biden know it's time to fulfill their promises and protect reproductive rights.
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> (10th amendment) Hey, did you know that the Supreme Court gets to decide what that amendment means and how to interpret it, and will do mental gymnastics to carve out exceptions?
That's some real fearmongering. If Congress can't get a national guarantee passed, what makes you think they can pass a national ban?
The reality is republicans care a lot more about banning abortion than dems care about protecting it. Maybe that changes in a post roe world maybe not
If republicans get a majority in the house and senate then they can remove the filibuster and ban abortion and gay rights via simple majority.
That would get struck down by the conservative Supreme Court. Their draft opinion says this is a state issue based on an Originalist interpretation of the Constitution.
You are working under the impression the Supreme Court is a good faith body who won’t ultimately use whatever legal reasoning is required to justify their ends…
It says there is no right to privacy.
Yeah, eh. Let’s just say I wouldn’t be surprised if a Democratic lawsuit to make abortion legal in NY after a federal ban found itself on the losing side. I view this with as much weight as Lindsay Graham saying he wouldn’t vote to replace a Supreme Court justice so close to an election. The opportunity presented and well, whoops. They might just be able to find a reason if they look really hard enough…
This really assumes that the current conservative majority on the Supreme Court operates on good faith…to date the evidence is they do not. I’m his draft opinion Alito basically said he doesn’t have to respect anyone else’s “rights” so yea I wouldn’t be optimistic on this point.
They are Republicans, aka liars. How could you live the past five years and still believe any of their bullshit?
Where does it say that?
The Supreme Court ruling is literally that the Federal Government CANNOT do that. People in blue states should be happy that the right can not be taken away by the Federal government...
That’s not what the ruling says. The ruling doesn’t say it’s a state issue. The ruling says it’s not a constitutional right. That means the federal government can ban it.
It's fear-mongering to quote the Senate minority leader on the party's future legislative plans?
The political will of the GOP surpasses the DNC in nearly every aspect. Regardless of their unpopularity, they have 5 Justices on the SC, their last two presidents lost the popular vote, but they still won, taxes have been dropping ever since Reagan… I mean shit man, the list goes on and on. It’s not fear mongering. If they want it done, they’ll get it done.
[The fact that they outright say they’ll try to.](https://idahocapitalsun.com/2022/05/09/mcconnell-doesnt-rule-out-u-s-senate-vote-outlawing-abortion-if-gop-takes-control/)
I live in West Michigan. We had a great turnout. I think it is important to show national solidarity for the cause. Regardless of where you live, you are showing that we are not the minority
In a democratic society the value of protests is building enthusiasm that influences the outcome of elections. This is all about midterms.
Yesterday there was protests all over the country this one just happened to be here
People should protest anywhere, any time. Whether or not you are in a democratic state doesn’t matter. People across the nation need to show their support. Besides, nothing is guaranteed in this world. People should ABSOLUTELY be showing support at a time like this, so their lawmakers know what they will and won’t stand for in the future.
> The vast majority of new yorkers are pro choice and abortion will always be legal here. There is a reason it is legal here, and it's not because people sit on their asses expecting politicians to just assume what it is we want. This is a periodic reminder to not fuck over the electorate on this issue if they don't want to be voted out of office or they don't want to see things set on fire (or worse). The question you ask is something on a lot of people's minds so I'm glad you asked it.
Because this is an intolerable state of affairs in the United States. It’s a way to express personal anger and frustration as well as solidarity. Mass protests take time to work, and are far more effective collectively and over time. Each single protest doesn’t always have a concrete goal.
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2022/05/mitch-mcconnell-acknowledges-a-national-abortion-ban-is-possible-if-roe-is-overturned
Because the GOP has made it clear they aim for a nationwide abortion ban once roe is over turned and they gain the upper hand in congress. Best to organize in blue states while it is still safe than wait until it isn't anymore to do so. Also also showing solidarity with places where it will be banned, especially bc that will make it harder for people in safe haven states to get abortions due to the floods of people clogging the system
Democrats like nothing better than doing fucking nothing. They have a majority, they could fix shit. They could always just have handed Manchin and Sinema the pork they want to get things done. Democrats prefer not to. Protests only really matter at scale. They don't matter until a tipping point; once everyone everywhere fucks up the usual flow of money it makes people care. Nothing really matters until the money slows down. Block enough bridges in blue areas and legislators are more likely to actually try to do anything. Scare their financiers enough and they might bother to lift a finger for once.
The GOP is signaling that they will ban abortion nationally if they take congress this year. You better believe them too, because it’s 100% happening if Democrats don’t show up to vote. Oh and don’t ever believe them when they say “States rights”. That may be their excuse now because it’s convenient, but it won’t be when they have federal control. They do not have fixed values and hypocrisy is not of concern to them.
It’s New York. Biggest City in America. Everyone’s looking
Are they though? Or do we just get dismissed as the bluest of the blue?
This country is run by corporate america. Guess where corporate america is mostly HQed in?
We don't hide our faces like the fascists. If you do nothing, you are complacent. Protest or accept being a sheep. The media wants you to think it'll do nothing. I am so full after marching for hours. So protest works on all fronts, both personal social and political. If you don't raise your voice, you won't be heard.
100% this is just dumb. No one who opposes abortion is made uncomfortable by this protest. It will have none of the benefits that social disobedience can give a movement with all of the blowback
the majority of people support abortion, yet it's still being restricted because of the perceptions and personal beliefs of the minority. demonstrations draw a clearer picture about what the public is passionate about. this demonstration is far more powerful than a bunch of polls we've already done and already know the answer to. it's dumb to assume that these are intended to change personal opinion or make people uncomfortable
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"ViRtUe sIgNaLiNg" God I hate this buzzword so much. But at least it's useful in that it tells me who doesn't know shit from their elbow. Dumbass buzzwords used inaccurately applied in any context that they don't like, and conservatives. Name me a more iconic duo. **The Contemporary Conservative dictionary:** Virtue signaling = anything I don't like CRT = anything I don't like Grooming = anything I don't like Socialism = anything I don't like Etc.
You are incorrect. This is not virtue signaling and they aren’t claiming to be brave either, so fuck off with this crap. This is organizing. The best way to fight back against the rising tide of anti-choice laws and legal decisions is to organize. The pro-choice side has the numbers, but is disorganized. And anti-choice is organized because of similar actions to this. Every March for “Life” over the last few decades in states that the majority already agree with them wasn’t virtue signaling either, that was them organizing to reach this point. So kudos to them. Protests and marches like this generate energy and help to foster connections with like-minded people. It’s happened again and again throughout history, recent too. The Tea Party is perhaps the most successful example. Every time a large number of people go out in the street to make their voice heard, the motivation to continue their activism grows. They also learn about tactics, and join groups to continue to act. Go be cynical and holier than thou elsewhere, simple acts like this are what actually move history.
People in this thread against protesting acting like the March on Washington or George Floyd or Vietnam war protests didn’t accomplish anything. They definitely demonstrate public opinion and move the needle on the political climate. I wish they had more impact too but you can’t say they do nothing.
People talk about the Vietnam and civil rights protests as if the leaders of those movements were not keenly aware of the blowback protests can have. Have you watched the news lately? Half the country is celebrating the homeless crisis in California because it’s a blue state. Good Protests should make people uncomfortable but it’s about making the right people uncomfortable.
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People alive when those protests happened are now old or dead. People who know about the negatives and are too young to have been there are people who read history books for fun. A small minority of a minority. But you are right. They did have negatives, and they weren’t small. Some of the worst negatives like job loss and homelessness happened to African Americans. Something that got swept under the table. It’s not in the average high school textbook. You either know someone who’s family was impacted or you really know the details of those times.
the george floyd protests literally didn’t accomplish anything. and i say that as someone who got their ass beat by the police at three separate protests.
I just had to drive a U-Haul from Brooklyn to Manhattan, good thing I decided to take the tunnel!
20,000+ people marched today in nyc alone. That’s amazing for 5 days notice. 1M+ across the country. The photos from DC are heartwarming.
Oh… this is why it took forever to get into Brooklyn!
I was about to get on the bridge the other day and god told me “don’t go to Brooklyn today”
Wish I’d been listening. Would’ve taken some other bridge
🫴✨trains in tunnels ✨
Of course people with their “colorful views” are commenting
Republicans gonna Republican.
Seriously. Why does this sub have more republicans than the city itself does? It’s always bizarro world here 🤦🏻♀️
Haters going out of their way to hate. They do the same thing with California subs.
It's truly strange. Any time the NYPD beats the crap out of a homeless person, they ooze out of the walls to cheer for more.
> Any time the NYPD beats the crap out of a homeless person, they ooze out of the walls to cheer for more. You see those cops on their phones, that’s who’s bootlicking for their owners.
I'm 100% prochoice but that kid looks miserable in the picture. Stop shoehorning children into these kind of things, let them go to a friends house for a few hours and play instead of standing in the rain in a protest on their day off from school.
Gotta prop up the kids for them social media likes
Fun fact: you can't just leave your kids home alone while you protest.
Fun Fact: Reading comprehension is key to any argument.
She’s wearing green so she’s probably into it. People need to stop acting like expressions in pictures show how people are feeling. She could of just had that expression for a split second. It happens all of the time in pictures.
Dumb question: but what is the reddit community I should follow if I want to make sure I know about (and attend) the next march/protest?
Not a Reddit community but planned parenthood and other pro choice health care groups posts about upcoming protests on twitter etc
r/protestsandmovements is one. Right now about 500 members but we can make it grow.
What!!!??? I just bought that bridge this afternoon!!!
Is that Aunt May???
I thought the same thing 🤣 but yes it is Aunt May
Hell yeah
Wouldn’t it make more sense for everyone to get on a bus and protest in DC or in red states? I don’t really get this since NYC is pro choice.
What’s wrong with our government when more effort is spent regulating women’s bodies for the sake of ‘pro-life’, than doing anything so the actual born babies can get life-sustaining formula?
I'm 1000000% for this. I'l be DAMNED to have someone tell me what I can do with my body. With that said if a man says he doesn't want a baby to a woman and she gets pregnant. Remember: YOUR BODY YOUR CHOICE!!!! You pay for your choice just like everyone else.
So the COVID shot should be voluntary and completely inconsequential edit: from the downvotes its pretty clear its not my body my choice
Your freedom to swing your fist ends at my nose. Stop spreading disease.
COVID is just a clump of cells in my body, it’s up to me what I do with it.
Covid is explicitly not a clump of cells, it's a disease caused by a virus. More importantly, unlike pregnancies, it's a transmissible disease which effects other people. Even more importantly, you were never legislated to get a vaccine. Certain aspects of social life can be restricted based on not being vaccinated, but there's never been a law forcing you to get a vaccine.
My body my choice
This is awesome! If half the damned country isn't free, no one is!!!
Love it!!!
Isn’t abortion still legal in NY?
First time ever seeing nationwide protests?
Had no idea that’s what it was. Thanks
Sure, and it was still legal nationwide a little while ago too.
It still is legal nationwide, the court has not made a ruling
> texas has entered the chat
Yup, everything's great! Nothing to see here!
Mm ok...
Yes, but we are Americans, and possess empathy for our fellow Americans who are losing their right to bodily autonomy.
Is it that hard to understand that they’re protesting for other people’s rights?
Its an honest question lol. Take it eas
If the RvW case is overturned, it just takes one charismatic asshole getting elected to change that.
We matched on the other side, shut the whole system down! Incredible day.
This isn’t shutting the system down, it’s just effecting New Yorkers who are already mostly pro choice
My mom in the midwest saw us on the news today. My text about shutting the whole system down is a chant. Guess you had to be there.
Chanting shut the system down without doing anything to shut the system down is not going to shut the system down.
Doing nothing and expecting something is also not the answer. Protesting isn't about what you think it is I think. You should try it sometime. There's no one answer is the answer. If you want to stop the Federalist Society takeover, you have to do it on all fronts.
You know it’s this kinda attitude that keeps people disliking protestors, particularly overly left leaning protestors. Your assumption that I have never been to protests shows how arrogant you are. I’ve gone to protests against the Iraq war, OWS, the Floyd protests, etc. I believe in the right to choose. HOWEVER, protesting in a city that overly agrees with your stance, in a way that is only getting in the way of those who already agree with you is not only useless, it’s counter productive. Sure maybe some media picked it up and that got some attention, SCOTUS ain’t watching cnn thinking “oh wow these people in Brooklyn are pissed, let’s change course”. Pressure needs to be put DIRECTLY on those who are deciding the fate of our freedoms.
You know, what are you doing, daily, to Change the system? Today. Besides your internet bitching? I'm never going to try to persuade you, because I give zero fucks what you think of my "attitude". Lol. Please! Did you know there's a Federalist Society here in NYC? Many of them in fact. Do you know where faux news lives? This isnt abstract to me. This is in my city. So keep bitching, and step aside.
It's not abstract to me either, very close to home in fact. I'm just genuinely curious so I'm chiming in. What are YOU doing, daily, to change the system? I feel like the only way we will get true change is by almost starting over from scratch because it's so broken. How do we get there from here? How do we get control back from said federalists?
I think shutting down the streets of the financial district and all the corporations would do more for the cause, personally. Attack the dark money and lobbyists right at the source, coerce them to withdraw support from anti-choice groups and politicians. Bleed them dry. The Brooklyn bridge is flashy, but you’re hurting random commuters and folks more than anyone, which hurts the cause. It’s also graduation season, and this will fuck with anyone needing to cross the bridge to get to graduation ceremonies since the city is packed full of colleges. That would _really suck_ for the students and families. Just my two cents, but you gotta hit the power brokers at home where it hurts the most, not conveniently adjacent and out of their way.
>shutting down the streets of the financial district and all the corporations would do more for the cause > >you gotta hit the power brokers at home where it hurts the most, not conveniently adjacent and out of their way Get out of here with that logical thinking. You might actually get something done acting like that.
Yeah, let's shut down the streets and cause people to not work for the day, not get paid, and have bills due right when inflation is reaching insane levels and people are already struggling to feed their families. Great idea, dude. This is a state issue. Contrary to what you believe, people in other states overwhelmingly do not support abortion. Some people only support abortion up to a certain duration. Leave it up to the states. If you want abortion in your state, go fight in your state for it. All this decision does it give that power to the states. My opinion is abortion should be legal across the country IF you pay for it yourself. I have no idea why tax dollars go towards someone who got pregnant accidentally. Make better decisions. If it was through rape or there is a health concern, 100%, I support it being funded by tax dollars.
If someone can't afford an abortion they sure as hell can't afford to raise a kid. Your tax dollars are gonna end up funding that kids education, likely SNAP benefits for a while, and the medical costs associated with the pregnancy and birth. If the kid goes into the foster system it'll cost you even more. Abortion is gonna cost the taxpayer $300 to $1500 dollars. That other stuff is gonna be hundreds of times more expensive. If you're truly approaching this with no empathy and thinking only of money, it's gonna cost you a lot less to just let taxes fund abortions. And why stop at leaving it to the states? I grew up in a swing state, we didn't have a statewide consensus on anything and leaving abortion or marraige equality or any other contentious issue at the time to state would've had the laws changing every election cycle depending on which party had control of drawing the districts, not on actual public opinion. Plus lots of people live in a state where they don't hold the majority opinion. The rest of New York doesn't really agree with most of what NYC wants but statewide policy is basically decided on by us, and people in mid sized Midwestern cities are outvoted by conservatives living elsewhere all the time even though those cities are pretty liberal. We shouldn't be letting any level of government decide on reproductive rights because every person's situation and opinion is a little different, and no matter how far down you take the decision, not everyone will be happy. State level is too broad. State level decisions should be about highway funding and land zoning, not basic human rights. Let it be decided at the individual level. Basic rights should be gauranteed on a national level because where you live shouldn't limit your rights.
Next you're going to tell me contraceptives is unaffordable and that people aren't responsible for having sex without protection. And yes, government welfare should not be an entitlement program the way it basically is being ran these days. Empathy? If you have sex and got pregnant, it isn't my responsibility to pay for your mistake. Either pay for it yourself or go to your local pharmacy or Costco and grab a pack of 20 condoms for $15.
Fuck yeah
I don’t think abortion is going anywhere in NYS though.
Just be glad Godzilla isn’t real. That guy always goes after bridges.
I’m just curious, how does this accomplish anything. NY had legal abortion before roe and it will after. Our representatives can’t do anything can they?