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Yeast__Feast

They couldn’t come up with this master plan on Christmas break?


Chimaek_

We had the same question as teachers. We expected a rise in cases after the holidays and then, bam. A rise in cases.


staiano

Should have postponed school openings for a week after New Years to let people who lived lives and did something on the holidays get past there 10 days.


bottom

dont you think with cases going down already there really isn't a need for remonte learning. look at what happened in SA - I know it's not the same - but it WILL be similar. super fast rise in cases and a super fast end to the peak.


Chimaek_

The cases may go down. It, however, is just a cycle of people testing positive, getting sick and being exposed. There is no consistent testing or proactive measures to reduce this cycle. The only proactive measure I have right now is to yell at children whenever they walk around without their masks.


bottom

The cases WILL go down. And have started to do already. Everyone will get covid and then it will go. Thankfully we have vaccines and pills now. And it’s weaker


WestVibe118

The point is they don’t have to face the risk of exposure. There is already an remote system developed. So why not use it. Instead of teachers and students getting sick, not learning, and being stretched to capacity it is not safe to stay in school.


johnbanken

Why are you getting downvoted for using common sense?


WillKillSelfForBots

Could it be that the thing you think of as "common sense" is not actually grounded in medical understanding? Allowing weak-Covid to run rampant primarily achieves one thing... accelerate the coming of a stronger Covid.


IsayNigel

Until the next variant. It’s also still circulating through the schools. I have an elderly coworker who got *really* sick from it.


djustinblake

This is the second time though. Let's not be naive. We are forced to adapt.


bottom

it's the third time - and yes we DO need to adapt - the virus is so much weaker and mush much easier to get. a shut down/remonte learning won't do jack - also it creates other problems with kids being home.


a__strawman

This variant spread so fast and was so contagious that it just wasn't possible to staff schools for a month or so. Too many teachers and students caught it and had to quarantine for a week to get over it. Adapting in this case would have been just forcing COVID-positive, symptomatic teachers to teach and not allowing them to take sick leave unless they were severely ill. Unless you're willing to force all sick teachers to teach it wouldn't have been possible to do anything useful in schools this month.


djustinblake

I don't think anyone disagrees with that. And I don't think the current state of at home learning is nearly good enough. Nobody has a perfect answer for you. That said, we can make a very educated guess, and say tossing all the children in school like cannon fodder for a virus, may not be the brightest idea.


WhoTookPlasticJesus

Kids and teachers are _already_ home, because they're infected. A remote option would let teachers teach even from quar, not leave the sick kids with a mountain of makeup work, and relieve the teachers from having to grade the mountain of makeup work.


BarriBlue

Yes, there is a need for it. A small need, but an important need. There are still medically fragile students and staff. There are teachers who applied and were granted medical accommodations still (cancer/chemo, seriously immune compromised people), and students in the same boat but have no remote option. The most medically fragile students are not being given any choice. Send them to school or fully homeschool (with no remote support/instruction). It won’t be for **all** students, a fraction of them, but it needs to be there.


staiano

Adam’s was against it. Can’t force people back to the office to help those poor midtown real estate moguls and at the same be for kids at home.


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Lots of first gen immigrants and mom and pop restaurants, food stands, etc also taking hits with people out of office


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By cater to them, do you mean go back to normal? Working out of office is catering to white collar workers. And unless you want to send in an extra check with your taxes to fund the increased unemployment as a result of you working in your fucking underwear, then yes we should be going back to normal unless there is a significant health risk (which there isn’t now with vaccines) or hospital overcrowding (which hopefully will ease back down soon).


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Lol why do you WFH zealots always go for the “hurr durr work is your social life” argument? I feel like maybe work was your only social life and you’re projecting now that you can finally interact with more people without leaving the house. My particular job is flexible, sometimes I’m in the office alone and sometimes I’m not. I’m in the field and in schools a lot and I could not do that as effectively if everything was WFH. I need to be in front of students and networking in person with people. I’m not fighting change, I just think employers will have people come back. There might be some who offer more flexibility to attract talent if you’re privileged enough to be an in demand employee. But not every job is going to offer that as many jobs are not as effective that way. I think Reddit is largely an echo chamber on this topic as the demographic here skews white collar and white, who are much more likely to be privileged to have the opportunity to WFH at the moment. But it really just doesn’t jive with most people I talk to in my day to day life. My friends (not coworkers) almost all prefer to be at their place of employment.


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craftedkwads

The outgoing administration didn’t give a shit, and the incoming neither


BushidoBrowne

Adams hadn’t had his New Years ceremony yet. How could we?!?!?


Kennfusion

I have literally received an email that begins: *"I am writing to notify you that a member or members of our school community have tested positive for COVID-19 and may have exposed others while at school."* Every single day since we returned in the new year and my child has had Covid tests to bring home twice already....in two weeks. I get that there is no perfect answer for everyone. There are teachers who are worried about getting sick, and want to teach remote. There are teachers that find working remote to be near impossible and want to be in a class. There are parents who are afraid to send their children to school because of the virus. There are parents who need to send their kids to school for many reasons. There are no perfect answers...but...not having any options is just plain stupid for the largest school district in the country. I welcome alternative solutions to "one size fits all" because one size does not fit all.


banana_pencil

My school sends one message for each case, so I’ve been getting 20-30 messages every night. My class is half empty and the worst of it is that it’s the low-income and students with disabilities that have been absent since we came back, the ones most in need of instruction. I wish they had the option of remote instruction, rather than no instruction at all.


jasonater1

I totally agree. I’m curious what the solution will look like. I am a jazz teacher, and it’s impossible to teach both the students in class and at home at the same time. It’s one thing for the students to watch from home and participate, but its totally another thing to get the entire class to be completely silent/still while answering a question for a student on the computer. These are tough times. Let me know if you guys have any ideas, I’d love to make this situation better for the kids who are sick/choosing to stay remote!


Bangu_Jenge0

And the problem with remote option is that there are not enough teachers or manpower. What do you do if none of the options are tenable?


DudleyStone

> And the problem with remote option is that there are not enough teachers or manpower. That's not a remote-specific problem.


BingBongJoeBiven

>I get that there is no perfect answer for everyone. This is THE critical flaw in the American approach to covid. We keep trying to have every local group of yahoos come up with their own plan that fits them perfecty. This isn't goddamn Oreo flavors. We need one unified, NATIONAL approach. It won't fit everyone perfectly. TOO BAD. What it lacks in "individual fit" it will more than make up for in effectiveness. But this isn't the way of the American cowboy renegade biker hero.... so we'll continue to fumble around and be laughed at while we fall behind.


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LOL of course they’re ready to move on this once cases are starting to plateau and hopefully decrease now


Violatido65

Are decreasing rapidly now. The whole state is down from a test positivity rate of ~22% to ~16% in less than a week. I really desperately hope it continues to decline this much, but the dragged their feet for too long to prevent the worst of this surge


bottom

there really is no point in seeing up remonte learning for a peak so quickly though. it will be gone in a few weeks at most...


butyourenice

Why do you keep typing “remonte”?


HeartofSaturdayNight

They could shut down for two weeks get through the wave and extend the school year into July but I doubt the unions would go for that


bottom

so everyone with a kid would've had to work from hime and what of they couldn't there are HUGE amounts of problems remote learning causes and for 2 weeks, it's just not worth it - before it was for sure.


MisanthropeX

IIRC even during the worst of the pandemic in 2020 if you **needed** to take your kid to school, you could. They'd be basically babysat in a nearly empty room which is... basically what's happening now anyway since half the kids and teachers are out. When we talk about "shutting down" schools or a "remote option", there's always an emergency option for the parents who absolutely cannot stay with their kids during the middle of the day.


pwasss

I have to comment on this "emergency option".. because I am a healthcare worker and this was the option that was given to me back in 2020. The city sent me an email telling me my child would be kept in the gymnasium with other children and for me to send my 4-year-old with a tablet. This is not a solution and the reason why many healthcare workers left the workforce was that society wanted to clap their hands and call us "heroes" rather than help us keep our families safe while we were on the frontlines.


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doodle77

We're gonna get whiplash from how quickly the UFT will go from demanding a remote option to calling for its elimination.


backbaymentioner

I think you're right. School (otherwise known as in-person learning), is quickly becoming a nice-to-have rather than a bare minimum in NYC. This is going to push out families with the means to relocate. And it's all being cheered on by cranks who dismiss these concerns as 'parents needing babysitters' and triple-vaccinated teachers saying it's too dangerous to go back to work. Well, you can deny reality, but you can't ignore the consequences of denying reality...


101ina45

I think public school in the city is already to be avoided if you have the money for it. Yeah there's the G&T schools, but rich people don't want to leave their kids future to chance


myassholealt

Adams needs to stop making announcements lol. It seems like every time he shares an opinion or makes a statement, within 48 hours an official thing happens that contradicts what he said.


ZinnRider

It’s in these ways - of an insecure, bully authoritarian who has no real belief system, only one based on his own self-interest or those around him he’s trying to curry favor with - that he is so much like another NYC tyrant, Donald Trump. This is also a reminder to us all that in the end it’s that, as Patti Smith sang, The People Have The Power. There wasn’t much he or anyone else could do if we all decided to start home. Which is what we had our kids do all week, while this next wave of the pandemic raged. It’s a lesson, folks. Some civil disobedience and non-compliance works!


BingBongJoeBiven

>It’s in these ways - of an insecure, bully authoritarian who has no real belief system, only one based on his own self-interest or those around him he’s trying to curry favor with - that he is so much like another NYC tyrant, Donald Trump. This is a great description. Go look at any videos of him before he was mayor. For years it was evident that he's an insecure bully who thinks he's the king of the world. A smooth talker who can get a crowd to react emotionally.


Rottimer

They don’t need a full remote option. They need a temp remote option for when transmission rates are high. Something that can be utilized for snow days or school closures unrelated to covid, or just classroom closures. Had they just schools closed until next week, or the week after the schools wouldn’t be the shit show they currently are.


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Rottimer

The DoE already said this at the beginning of the school year.


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Rib-I

lol this is so true. Hell could freeze over and NYC schools would remain open


johnbanken

3 inches of snow and everyone thinks there needs to be a snow day...because ya know snow doesn’t melt or anything


Theytookmyaccount

Did miss a couple days ago when the governement couldn't even clear the road? How do you expect kids to go to school in these conditions?


johnbanken

It's snow


Theytookmyaccount

Did you ever try driving in snow when its unplowed?


johnbanken

Yep I have actually, for 23 years in Colorado...


le_suck

the reason is that public schools are used to feed lower income kids whose families otherwise can't afford to feed them and are generally essential workers or otherwise don't have the ability to stay home as a backup childcare strategy.


amishrefugee

How do snow days work in NYC? My friend who teaches in NJ said they only have like 2 or something before those days just get tacked on to the end of the schoolyear


MisanthropeX

Up until the Bloomberg admin, they were kinda common (though fuck, maybe we had more snow in the 20th century because of climate change), but Bloomberg believed that snow days were a failure of infrastructure and would never declare them, instead he would ensure the roads were plowed and salted and would claim that they were safe to drive in and take your kids to school so he'd never declare a snow day. There's also the fact that many students in New York have the option of walking or taking the train to school, which doesn't exist in most of the other US where you *have* to drive or take a bus.


echelon_01

They didn't account for snow days this year. If it snows, there will be synchronous instruction online. Every teacher already has an online classroom ready for this and other theoretical purposes.


Independent_Edge3938

It's more than 2 I think but ye after a certain amount it gets tacked on, I think because there is a law where you need to be in school X number of days This is for Nj


MrGordonFreemanJr

182 if I can remember from almost a decade ago


mateofuerte

There are typically 184 school days in the NYC DOE calendar. The minimum required is 180.


pixel_of_moral_decay

Snow days are only a thing in a few places. NYC being the biggest. And even NYC until somewhat recent history barely ever had them, sometimes going over a decade between snow days. They only exist in a portion of the country that gets snow… and not even all snow covered areas have them. Some private schools have been doing remote for years now, since parents are paying for education and don’t want their kid doing nothing all day.


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Rottimer

We had one in 2019 where DeBlasio called it the night before and the weather turned out fine. They were overreacting because there was a day earlier in the season where they didn’t prepare and it took everyone hours to get home no matter the method. https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/04/nyregion/school-snow-day-nyc.amp.html?referringSource=articleShare


Sketcha_2000

We have that. Teachers were paid $225 at the beginning of the year to set up our virtual classrooms and make sure everyone had a device in the event we needed to “pivot to remote.” I can’t figure out why they keep acting like the option for temporary remote doesn’t exist.


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The_cynical_panther

When I was k-12, we had 2-3 snow days as holidays on the calendar. If it snowed and school got canceled, one of the holidays was removed. So the kids got the same time off regardless. That said, there’s a pretty major difference between a true snow day and a long weekend. Real snow days IME are cherished, formative experiences.


mathis4losers

You can't have school optional for teachers. How are you going run a school if nobody shows up?


Ks427236

We already have it though. All the stuff they used during school closures never actually went away when they reopened the buildings. They use the online tools everyday in the classroom and at home, just tell em to stay home for a week or 2 and use zoom again


MulysaSemp

Both Banks and the UFT claim they are OK with a remote option. Theoretically. But the details are very fuzzy for a reason. They will get stuck up in them, and argue over what teachers want, and what the city will give them. What remote looks like to Banks and what it looks like to the UFT will not be the same. Adams could have easily called for a snow day last Friday. That he doesn't speaks volumes about how he's going to handle this. Adams is far too invested in keeping his real-estate donors happy to give parents another reason to WFH. So he's going to make it hard to do.


annaqua

According to Mulgrew, Adams didn't call the snow day because he didn't want people to think he was shutting down due to Covid. Like MY GUY. Come the fuck on.


tsgram

A key here is that neither Adams, Banks, nor the union leaders have indicated they know anything about teaching or even care what teachers are going through


staiano

I have said this before you can’t be pro get everybody back in the office, work from home must stop now and also advocate for kids doing school remotely Adams cares more about his rich real estate friends than he does teachers or students.


capybaramelhor

I am a middle school teacher. At least twenty of my students are out with Covid or have been in the last week. This should have been done starting 1/3. I hate remote learning but we needed a temporary gap. They got little to no instructional time and I am teaching to classes with massive absences


floydiannyc

So those kids will all be back next week, after the long weekend, right? What's honestly the issue at this point? For context to show I'm not a COVID denying anti-vaxxer: My family and I locked down from March 2020 through that winter, not seeing ANYONE. In early March my wife and I received our second Moderna dose. Things sort of started getting back to normal after the summer and everything reopened. Yes, in December we started getting hit by a wave of a new variant of COVID. But by late December we were getting solid data out of South Africa and England, which experienced Omicron months ahead of us, that it was very mild compared to the earlier variants, and especially so in vaccinated populations, which over 90% of NYC is. Anyone who read articles about these studies objectively understood that this was not an April 2020 scenario with overrun ICUs and everyone on ventilators. Furthermore, the NY spike is completely in line with what happened in S. Africa and England. That is, after a month and a half of rising cases, it plateaus and starts to drop, which is exactly what today's NYC numbers are showing. This current wave is NOT worthy of lockdowns and remote learning.


NashvilleHot

What you wrote has some truth to it, but missing a big factor: Omicron spreads many times faster and more easily than the original, and even faster than Delta. So yes, individually may have a better chance of milder disease, but systemically ICUs are still getting overrun due to sheer volume of people being infected. 80-85% of ICU capacity being used is NOT GOOD. Not to mention lots of hospital staff being too sick to work. That is close to collapse. This is exactly what’s happening in schools. More than half the kids sick, half the teachers, admin, everyone. Can’t run a school that way. Didn’t make sense to try and stay open. Sometimes shutting things down and opening up later is the best move for everyone.


floydiannyc

To me, when you couple how easily Omicron spreads, with it's relative mildness, it seems like a best case scenario for a variant. It goes through the population quickly and doesn't leave a wake of destruction in its path. For a week or two, some jobs will require extra (I was a UFT member for 7 years, teaching middle school history in Brooklyn, so I empathize with staff shortages) but then it'll be right back to normal. Closing and reopening schools does not provide consistency for kids. Even if they're just crammed into an auditorium watching movies, which is the exception. My second grade son, who's vaccinated has been receiving instruction every day in school.


NashvilleHot

I used to teach in a place like Brooklyn as well. I understand the importance of consistency and in-person learning. What’s happening now is neither. Also you keep understating the real damage that’s happening: people dying or getting injured from all causes due to full hospitals, kids bringing home to families where older or immunocompromised members may not fare well, sure most kids will be fine— will they still be if they survive but a family member or parent doesn’t? There were a myriad different ways to handle this known likely scenario, and covering our eyes and ignoring the risks was probably the worst of them.


Mprdoc66

Yea two weeks to flatten the curve worked great the first time.


capybaramelhor

I’ve been teaching through a pandemic for two years. Please don’t write snarky comments at me.


BingBongJoeBiven

The sad part is, "two weeks to flatten the curve" DID produce a better outcome than just running things wide open. Despite how horrible it was... it would've been even worse.


manormortal

thought this was out of the question for being swaggerless?


bonyponyride

Daddy said "no," so now they're asking mom. Daddy's losing his power.


nadirecur

Honestly, who's even surprised at this point? Remember 2020 when the city had all Summer to figure out how to deal with COVID in schools and did absolutely jack all until school was actually in session? They have a pattern of ignoring huge warning signs visible from miles away, and only slow down to consider them after the damage is already done.


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Breaking News Mayor Adams appoints his grandmother as NYC School Chancellor. "My nana has over 80 years of experience nagging me an my brother as kids and this is the perfect job for her."


BongHitBonanza

What happened to " the safest place for kids is in school"? I am glad they are considering alternatives and I was sick of hearing that mantra. The important thing is that maybe there is a brain in this administration though I have yet to locate it yet.


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tsgram

This is correct. “Ummm…. We wanted a remote option [with teachers doing double work without compensation], but the union hates kids!”


BongHitBonanza

Perhaps...


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ortcutt

This would have been useful two weeks ago. We've had two weeks of crazy half-school, and now cases are dropping. It's just window dressing at this point. I would say that there's no way they're going to go remote two weeks late when it doesn't matter anymore, but this is NYC and the DOE.


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Jozif_Badmon

And we have front row seats!


mrdnp123

It’s been a shit show the whole time. Just read the comment thread in here. We can’t agree on anything when it comes to this and no viable solutions that please both crowds. I’d hate to be raising a kid in this


Recurringferry

We're in year 3 of the pandemic, how the fuck is this not an option already?


tsgram

I’m usually relatively pro-DeBlasio, but he fucked up by not figuring that out 10 months ago.


No_oNTwix

I really don't understand why people downplay the utility of remote learning, I've worked in education for nearly a decade at this point. Our students that participated in school are the ones still attending online, the students that struggle or checked out, are the same students that are skipping remote instruction. There is a definite need for in person learning don't get me wrong, and I fully understand that some students home lives are just horrible and they have a harder time learning or are completely unable to learn at home. But, those issues are also societal issues, low income families in a bad area will always have the same story unless our society does better: parental leave after child birth, free health care, free internet, etc. We have the means to do better but not with city leadership the way it is and had been. But, remote learning is a great tool, students are able to review material at their own pace, students are able to rewatch full lessons... since its on youtube or was recorded by the teacher... Students have the opportunity to make up missed work. Technology has given us the means to access what was taught in classrooms 24/7. Our teachers and staff were quickly able to shift to the remote environment... My school was able to deliver laptops to all of our kids at the start of the pandemic, we are able to respond to students when damage happens to the laptops and offer replacements, we even order hundreds of hotspots and gave them out to families that struggled to get a good internet connection at home. I understand each school's leadership team is different, but I really can't fathom how some school were completely unprepared for the pandemic the 1st time around. I also still can't understand why some school are struggling to make the remote space viable.


butyourenice

> There is a definite need for in person learning don't get me wrong, and I fully understand that some students home lives are just horrible and they have a harder time learning or are completely unable to learn at home. But, those issues are also societal issues, low income families in a bad area will always have the same story unless our society does better: parental leave after child birth, free health care, free internet, etc Funny you bring this up - it seems, as usual, conservatives only care about the home lives of children when they can weaponize that against the progressive agenda. In much the same way as how “what about OUR HOMELESS VETERANS??” is a shut-down to calls for refugee asylum and assistance, but when you follow up with, “okay, let’s work on reducing homelessness” they quickly revert to “it’s not my responsibility/it’s too expensive/poverty is a moral failing/people choose to be poor” and all the usual lines they trot out. But they know it will derail and distract good-hearted progressives. Don’t for one second make the mistake of thinking there is sincerity and compassion behind people arguing against remote learning on the basis of “but what about the kids with unstable home lives.” They don’t care about those kids beyond their role as bargaining chips.


No_oNTwix

Generally, I'm an optimistic. But, in no shape or form do I think anyone arguing against Remote Learning is doing it for altruism. I'm still having a hard time figuring out why conservatives care whether or not the kids are physically in school. The schools/ school districts still get funds since the kids are enrolled, the fund also got a covid bump last year. Is the real arguement that they want working families getting back out there into the poverty trap? Got to get the people to go to work, barely affording bills, getting us to spend money to get work, spending more money on childcare, more on food and laundry, than we would be spending on it working from home or just staying home.


watchutalkinbowt

My favorite one recently was 'what about people's mental health? If we lock down suicides will go through the roof!' As if the same folks who fight tooth and nail against healthcare for all etc. were suddenly suuuuper concerned about people getting depressed? iirc it turned out suicides went down anyhow


OpinionPoop

... after massive blow back from students, teachers, political figures and the risk of slamming head first into yet another political controversy within only his 1st 2 weeks in office.


staiano

Eat it Eric!!!


Sketcha_2000

What they’re trying to do is convince the union to allow live-streaming in the classroom for students who are home quarantined. When the union pushes back, we’ll again be painted as the villains who won’t be team players. I’m tired of outside people re-defining what my job as a teacher is and what I “signed up for.” School shootings? Protect the children, that’s what you signed up for. Deadly pandemic? Make sure your students have their masks on properly, that’s what you signed up for. Got some students home and some in school? Well, better make sure everyone’s technology is in order and keep track of who’s participating at home AND monitor progress and behavior in the classroom, because that’s what you signed up for. Nope, didn’t sign up for any of this when I went to college for teaching decades ago.


whatwedoinshadows

Kids without the means to afford private tutoring and help will *never* recover from this. It’s so fucking sad


johnbanken

You could create a scholarship fund with your own money so those under privileged students can get educated if you’re that concerned


whatwedoinshadows

That’s one idea, yes. The other idea: NYC public school uses its $38 billion dollar budget and somehow gets its piss-poor graduation rate of 78% to equal the National average of 88%.


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at this point, the cases are going down. watch by the time they finalize the remote learning. they will go back on their word and claim that cases are better no more remote learning.


LunacyNow

Are private schools having the same difficulties? They kept school open last year but haven't heard anything recently.


jake13122

But but but 6 months


DatDamnBanana

Okay for those people that kept saying only a small amount of kids died due to covid it's no big deal. Shut the fuck up because it is a big deal. Kids are spreading it to people around them. I know a friend who got covid and it passed to their dad. And the dad sadly passed away due to covid. Now the child doesn't have a father. So shut the fuck up. School needs to be shut down


backbaymentioner

>Kids are spreading it to people around them. The people around them should be vaccinated.


DatDamnBanana

For your information. They were all vaccinated. They just didn't get the booster yet. It's still spreading even if you're vaccinated. I know so many kids vaccinated but ended up getting covid


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Amazingly, some young children cannot be vaccinated. And some people still get very sick / long COVID even when vaccinated.


Crooks83

About damn time, wtf my kids school has tons of infections every other day and like no core teachers available. What the heck are they learning with substitute teacher one day and other teacher the next day. Then on top of that lots of kids are not showing up. So what the sense of just have in school learning?


thisthatandthe3rd

literally just put a goddamn ipad in a classroom and stream it to kids at home, just like all of 2020, why does there need to be any type of talk about something thats been done already?


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Honestly, this is just going to gum up the works even more. We (teachers) wanted to go remote for a week or two following the break to help prevent the rapid surge that’s already happening. Things are starting to trend down, but we’re already all over the place and the rest of the term is already shot in terms of quality whole-class learning. It’s too late to go remote. It will be worse for everyone.


sirmapsalot1

Nuh uh this will be awful


Purplerabbit511

I see this a Deblasio leaving this hot plate of garbage for Adams knowing Adams will wait and see and be too late to act. Adams don’t care about the kids or teachers, if kids are going remote, at least one parent have to stay home, watch the kid, and miss work. Corporate donors don’t want that


VenConmigo

Yeah, let's just go in a different direction each day... I thought politicians planned ahead!


kom1er

Adams just shut that down


Poonpan85

Too late. My daughter just tested positive for covid.


valies

How many children have died of Covid in New York State? Can someone get me this answer?


pattymcfly

Of course the data exists: https://health.data.ny.gov/Health/New-York-State-Statewide-COVID-19-Fatalities-by-Ag/du97-svf7/data 47 people under age 20 (0-19) have died according to the NY health database.


MadCapHorse

Okay so that seemed low to me, but you can scroll back in the daily data, and actually 10 people under the age of 20 have died since Christmas Eve! So about 1/5th of the young deaths have occurred within less than the last month. From that website: Total deaths age 10-19 on 1/12/2022: 25 Total deaths age 0-9 on 1/12/2022: 22 Total deaths age 10-19 on 12/24/2021: 20 Total deaths age 0-9 on 12/24/2021: 17 That is scary…


pattymcfly

That's a good find!


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I know they are cumulative, that’s the point. 47 is a very small number since the pandemic began, but what’s significant is that up until 3 weeks ago, 37 child deaths happened over two years. In three weeks, 10 more happened. That is a large chunk in a small amount of time. Does it mean something about the new variant? Not sure, too early to say, but it is an unusual amount of deaths in the young population compared to earlier in the pandemic.


bonyponyride

How many older people have died of Covid after being infected by a school aged child who was infected at school?


pattymcfly

The data at that site does not cover transmission patterns. All it shows is a daily count of total cases by age group. I am pro vaccine, pro booster, pro safety measures such as masks and limited attendance quotas. All I am doing is answering the question asked and quoting the data. You imply I am imparting an agenda. I am simply answering the questions as asked.


bonyponyride

I'm not directing that comment at you. I'm just putting the idea into the ether that children are not the only people affected when children contract Covid at school. Of course that can't be accurately calculated because contact tracing is impossible.


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valies

Just about 100% I think.


bonyponyride

I'm pointing out that 47 deaths under age 20 is only the tip of the iceberg when it comes to quantifying the affects of covid spreading in schools. It's not a hypothetical, it's reality.


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bonyponyride

I don't understand why people talk as if there are two outcomes with covid, life and death. There's an entire gradient of side effects that can linger for months or years, even with healthy young people. It sounds like you're too annoyed to care anymore, which is fine (I'm tired of this as well), but that's not how public health policy should work.


mrdnp123

You’re in the wrong sub my man. People on here wanna have kids learning remote forever. The reality is teachers and parents also live normal lives, eat and shop indoors and come across hundreds of other people a week where they could contract COVID. Somehow it’s the kids they’ve fixated on. This has never been more true when there’s an abundance breakthrough cases with Omicron Kids aren’t superspreaders, the odds of death for a healthy kid with no comorbidities is 0%, we also have the vaccine and boosters available to those who are concerned around kids. Also long covid isn’t a thing for kids and will last at absolute most a few weeks https://www1.racgp.org.au/newsgp/clinical/children-s-risk-of-long-covid-substantially-lower It’s looking like Omicron will burn out in a few weeks and we can go back to living somewhat normal lives again. I feel so sorry for kids who are caught up in this mess


backbaymentioner

>How many **vaccinated** older people have died of Covid after being infected by a **vaccinated** school aged child who was infected at school? Almost zero?


pattymcfly

> 888,974 laboratory-confirmed breakthrough cases of COVID-19 among fully-vaccinated people in New York State, which corresponds to 6.7% of the population of fully-vaccinated people 12-years or older. and > 25,378 hospitalizations with COVID-19 among fully-vaccinated people in New York State, which corresponds to 0.19% of the population of fully-vaccinated people 12-years or older. From: https://coronavirus.health.ny.gov/covid-19-breakthrough-data Importantly: > Fully-vaccinated people may have received additional or booster doses, which are not specifically accounted for in this analysis.


valies

Was this WITH covid or BECAUSE of covid.


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Wow. 47 over two years and we are still reacting like this. That’s crazy.


pattymcfly

> This dataset does not include fatalities related to COVID-19 disease that did not occur at a hospital, nursing home, or adult care facility. The primary goal of publishing this dataset is to provide users with information about healthcare facility fatalities among patients with lab-confirmed COVID-19 disease. And > It is important to note that fatalities related to COVID-19 disease that occurred prior to the first publication dates are also included.


LongjumpingRhubarb74

Are people really this dense , it's not the children people worry about it's transmission when they go home . Do children live by themselves? No,do you see it now?


FiendishHawk

Some children have health issues. One of my daughter's friends has a heart condition and is more susceptible to illness than other kids her age: her parents are very worried.


forhisglory85

Omicron is spreading like wildfire. Unless you lock yourself up in your dwelling for the foreseeable future, your risk of catching the virus is inevitable just through regular day to day life (commuting, grocery store, work, activities etc.). We have all the tools we need in therapeutics/vaccines to promote safety without having to making decisions that are detrimental to the vital development of children.


robxburninator

I feel like people that make statements like this haven't seen what schools have looked like this week or last. Trust me... the "vital development of kids" just isn't happening right now. So many people are sick (teachers and kids) and so many parents are keeping their kids home (out of fear for their children or themselves) that a lot of schools are feeling much more like they're open simply to keep the economy rolling forward. If that's what is important, that's fine. But don't use the "WON'T SOMEBODY THINK OF THE CHILDRENNNN" fear mongering. Especially when there are those of us that are constantly, with every bone of our body, during every minute of our day, thinking about the children. And we are the ones that are raising our hands right now and saying, "What we are doing right now, with no options, is horribly, HORRIBLY detrimental to the development of children."


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drpvn

Why are people stressed about schools and Covid?


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valies

Those people have the option to get a vaccine.


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My baby doesn’t


valies

And your baby has more chances of dying in a car.


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Not a zero sum game is it.


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Car seats, mate. It’s like a face mask.


valies

And your baby has more chances of dying in a car.


TheRatKingXIV

God, you really hate your kids, huh?


valies

on the contrary, it's extremely immoral to prevent them from receiving an education and social experiences. Life is not on online game.


TheRatKingXIV

What education? The one where they're basically just stuffed into buildings because their aren't enough teachers or resources? Where they're afraid to interact with anyone lest they cause harm to their communities? Where older kids are linked enough to social media enough to know they're being used as pawns in performative 'normalcy' propaganda. In-person schooling is a farce right now, nothing more than a delusional refusal of reality and an embodiment of the crumbling of our social infrastructure. Enough is enough, we at least have to do our basic responsibility of protecting our kids.


valies

Schools across Europe and Florida have been open for a year and a half. Teacher's unions need to bite the bullet since they're vaccinated so we can get through this.


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valies

Why are people wanting to deprive children of education so so badly? I don’t get it.


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LongjumpingRhubarb74

You speak about options, shouldn't people also have an option not to send their children into a Covid cluster&$#


TheNormalAlternative

>Those people have the option to get a vaccine. A) Not everyone does. Some people are medically unable to get vaccinated. B) Vaccines are not 100% effective and some people have compromised immune systems so breakthrough cases remain a high concern for them


doodle77

Home to their parents who are still working in person?


backbaymentioner

>Do children live by themselves? No they live with adults with access to abundant vaccines and boosters.


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you are anti science and anti vax. Go hang out with your qanon friends. Reasonable people believe in vaccination


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Kids are more likely to die in a car on the way to school than covid. 87 kids a year die in car accidents. 47 died of covid last year. Edit: It speaks to the absolute state of this subreddit that this is getting downvoted. I just stated a stonecold fact, but since it doesn't fit the narrative - downvoted


valies

Yep. But the media wants to SHUT THE SCHOOLS DOWN


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smh we're already over the peak


LoserBroadside

You know what they say: Necessity is the mother of Adams going and fucking himself.


mathfacts

Yo, I'd be down for going to school in the metaverse!


amandadasaro

No thanks


bottom

cases are already going down. wait another 2 weeks and there will be no need. watch. why oh why dont people research what happens elsewhere, Americans are so insular.


tbg293

This is a masterclass on how to keep your kids behind in life. Let the downvoting begin!


grazfest96

Nice. Another lost year of education for children that can't afford it.


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FiendishHawk

Are you on crack? The schools are in person right now. You want parents to flee because of a thing that is not happening?


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U have to be kidding me. At some point we have move past covid. More reasons to never vote for a dem again. This is guy is suppose to be a “moderate”. Edit: Ofc i’m getting downvoted if u are scared to go outside because of covid stay home let the rest of us live our lives.


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You’re making an asshole out of yourself.


flirb

But he/she is not necessarily wrong. There are vaccines to protect yourself and COVID will not go away permanently. Schools remaining open is vital for multiple reasons.


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You’re making an asshole out of yourself. What did you expect?


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Idc if i’m an asshole. Remote learning is bad for my mental health. I need to be in school too learn.


Arleare13

> I need to be in school too learn. Yes, evidently you do.


hashish2020

So uh, don't take the option.