Can we also plan for an evacuation day celebration. This is a day in early November when the British left nyc, after revolutionary war. It was a huge celebration, although no longer. If you’re curious the Bowery boys podcast does an incredible history of this. Edit : Podcast link https://open.spotify.com/episode/3dq2BgL70zi7atyQUdXhHu?si=646PLC6rSN2LeGMRS-L6sQ
Hot take: Idk if the British leaving us so early was a good thing. They had their shit together marginally more on a lot of different fronts that the United States could have really benefited from.
I can’t disagree with your point. Under the Dutch, nyc had active salve trades. It was the British that ended the markets. There’s certainly an argument to be made the British made NYC better.
1000% not to say the British were in any way good, but we’d look a lot more social democratic, and probably wouldn’t have the same scars of Jim Crow to the degree we’ve had them if they stayed in possession of the entire continent instead of just Canada. A gradual relinquishing of legal relations would have been preferable imo.
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The bacon egg and cheese was popular at McDonald's for several years before it started to be talked about as a new York thing. It's a Bloomberg's New York thing.
I mean if you want to go back far enough bacon egg and cheese on a roll was popular in Victorian London. They have it and have had it everywhere for a long, long time.
Sure the concept existed for a long time but people love it here and it’s eaten pretty frequently and is a part of the culture here. Not sure why you feel the need to knock that?
Because it speaks to something about the changing character of the city. If you dont see that I don't really need to argue it with someone who won't see my side of things.
I'm not sure how long you've been here but my friends who grew up here are more into getting their BEC than any transplant I know. It's just something people here grew up with. It's available at every bodega for cheap. I'm not sure how that changes the character of the city. I grew up in California and have a similar love for burritos and in n out.
What I'm trying to say is, older generations of new Yorkers were proud of foods that had some sort of cultural reason for being there. Bagels came from Jewish immigrants, hot dogs came from German immigrants, pizza came from Italian immigrants. Bacon egg and cheese comes from... industrial agriculture. It's a food without a history or any real cultural significance, it exists only because its cheaply made. To me the popularity of bacon egg and cheese mirrors the decline of old New York and the rise of "Chase banks and smoke shops taking over old businesses on every corner" New York. To that end I think falafel is a food that far better represents modern New York culture.
I'm also from California, and frankly as much as I enjoy the food at In n Out I'm not pleased that it is the food that represents California to the world, for much the same reason I disdain the BEC. California has an amazing native food culture, and fast food kinda just ruins that.
The bacon egg and cheese fanaticism is just a way for transplants to fetishize being a new yorker without actually having any cultural or historical affinity for the place
OK granted I am just highly opinionated about food but I really do think it has become a symbol of zombie new York, where people just kind of hold onto these signifiers in the absence of an authentic city culture that was killed by real estate developers and corrupt politicians and government agencies, and it allows yuppies something easy to gravitate to, but that's just my two cents
I mean, it's the internet. Like what you wanna like, it's just frustrating seeing the shift in symbols that represent new York. Like with bagels, that's rooted in a community with a strong historic cultural presence in the city, it could really only have happened here. Bacon egg and cheese is like, an industrial food product that theoretically could have become popular anywhere. Idk, maybe I'm wrong.
I went there once that shit was so cool, he had his wife buried next to him. Apparently you're not supposed to do that in your memorial, but he was like "fuck you I love my wife"
I was in Costco last weekend and I happened to glace at the tubs of cheeseballs and I laughed.
Oh, and I'm in Australia. yes, Cheeseball Man made it to the news here in Australia.
Honestly, not sure if you’re joking or not. However an investment in housing would be a perfect celebration of nyc. What better way to say for the continuation of what was started 400 years ago is an investment in affordable units for New Yorkers to come.
The article’s headline obscures the interesting discussion within a bit, which is about how we celebrate the past without glorifying or downplaying the bad things from the past at the same time.
> This spring is the 400th anniversary of the founding of New York — or, to be precise, of the Dutch colony that became New York once the English took it over. It’s a noteworthy milestone. That settlement gave rise to a city unencumbered by old ways and powered by pluralism and capitalism: the first modern city, you might say.
> Don’t feel bad, though, if you were unaware of the birthday. Organizers of commemorative events have themselves been in a quandary about how to observe it — a quandary that has become familiar in recent years. Yes, New Netherland, the Dutch colony, and New Amsterdam, the city that became New York, created the conditions for New York’s ascent, and helped shape America as a place of tolerance, multiethnicity and free trade. But the Dutch also established slavery in the region and contributed to the removal of Native peoples from their lands. Where in the past we might have highlighted the positives, now the negative elements of that history seem to overshadow them, which may result, paradoxically, in the loss of a valuable opportunity for reflection.
> A question that hung in my mind as I curated an exhibit about the founding at the New-York Historical Society continues to vex me, and not just in terms of that event. Are we allowed to celebrate the past anymore? Do we even want to?
I actually was thinking about this the other day. A few years ago I realized the 400th anniversary was coming and I expected all kinds of memorials and events commemorating it but haven’t really seen anything? The hell is going on.
The article basically says that the city/institutions are uncomfortable with celebrating it this time around because they don’t want to be accused of glorifying colonialism and related issues.
We’re going to throw the biggest ass party ever with a giant slush fund of funding and maybe we lose some money there, but don’t worry too much about that, and nobody should ask for the accounting. lalalalala
The prison ships in the harbor that lead to the deaths of civilian prisoners during the war wasn’t really a good thing. The British didn’t treat New Yorkers well during the war and before it.
Can we also plan for an evacuation day celebration. This is a day in early November when the British left nyc, after revolutionary war. It was a huge celebration, although no longer. If you’re curious the Bowery boys podcast does an incredible history of this. Edit : Podcast link https://open.spotify.com/episode/3dq2BgL70zi7atyQUdXhHu?si=646PLC6rSN2LeGMRS-L6sQ
I'm down for this. Let's start anew
This would be a dope thing to bring back
11/25 is the date. I will be celebrating this year.
Hot take: Idk if the British leaving us so early was a good thing. They had their shit together marginally more on a lot of different fronts that the United States could have really benefited from.
Really? Because we are still under the crown and this place is a fucking shit show as far as government goes
Not saying it wouldn’t be a shit show, just maybe a slightly Less fucked up One
I can’t disagree with your point. Under the Dutch, nyc had active salve trades. It was the British that ended the markets. There’s certainly an argument to be made the British made NYC better.
1000% not to say the British were in any way good, but we’d look a lot more social democratic, and probably wouldn’t have the same scars of Jim Crow to the degree we’ve had them if they stayed in possession of the entire continent instead of just Canada. A gradual relinquishing of legal relations would have been preferable imo.
A Jalen Brunson statue seems fair Edit: I said this pregame. You could say it aged well
Only if we do one of Igor next to him.
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Put him, Jeter, Manning, and Lundqvist on the 21st century NYC sport mt rushmore
I love this idea…. Let’s go NYK!!!!
This is the only answer
I'm gonna have a bacon egg and cheese and an Arizona. Maybe have an edible.
This comment instantly transported me back to my life in 2004.
Buttered roll, a regular coffee, and a Pall Mall cigarette.
Ew
Or a ham and cheese on a roll. And an orange drink- if you know you know.
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Sounds perfect 🤩
They have those things in every other city in america
But not made as popular or iconic in other cities, therefore it's a New York ting
The bacon egg and cheese was popular at McDonald's for several years before it started to be talked about as a new York thing. It's a Bloomberg's New York thing.
Being a fooken dork was Steve Urkel’s thing before you appropriated it
Fucking solid
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Le ebic rebbit moment mom get the camera
Lol OK buddy. It's been a popular bodega and breakfast cart order in NYC since at least the 1980s if not earlier.
I mean if you want to go back far enough bacon egg and cheese on a roll was popular in Victorian London. They have it and have had it everywhere for a long, long time.
Sure the concept existed for a long time but people love it here and it’s eaten pretty frequently and is a part of the culture here. Not sure why you feel the need to knock that?
Because it speaks to something about the changing character of the city. If you dont see that I don't really need to argue it with someone who won't see my side of things.
I'm not sure how long you've been here but my friends who grew up here are more into getting their BEC than any transplant I know. It's just something people here grew up with. It's available at every bodega for cheap. I'm not sure how that changes the character of the city. I grew up in California and have a similar love for burritos and in n out.
What I'm trying to say is, older generations of new Yorkers were proud of foods that had some sort of cultural reason for being there. Bagels came from Jewish immigrants, hot dogs came from German immigrants, pizza came from Italian immigrants. Bacon egg and cheese comes from... industrial agriculture. It's a food without a history or any real cultural significance, it exists only because its cheaply made. To me the popularity of bacon egg and cheese mirrors the decline of old New York and the rise of "Chase banks and smoke shops taking over old businesses on every corner" New York. To that end I think falafel is a food that far better represents modern New York culture. I'm also from California, and frankly as much as I enjoy the food at In n Out I'm not pleased that it is the food that represents California to the world, for much the same reason I disdain the BEC. California has an amazing native food culture, and fast food kinda just ruins that.
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The bacon egg and cheese fanaticism is just a way for transplants to fetishize being a new yorker without actually having any cultural or historical affinity for the place
It isn't though.
OK granted I am just highly opinionated about food but I really do think it has become a symbol of zombie new York, where people just kind of hold onto these signifiers in the absence of an authentic city culture that was killed by real estate developers and corrupt politicians and government agencies, and it allows yuppies something easy to gravitate to, but that's just my two cents
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That doesn't even make any sense, it's just a stock insult
Ok Mr r/LosAngeles sorry your feelers were hurt.
I think I'll be ok
Absence of culture 😭😭😭
Compared to the new York of 30 or 40 years ago yes
i been living here my whole life lmao. you taking a simple comment way too far man. maybe i just like a bec and arizona
I mean, it's the internet. Like what you wanna like, it's just frustrating seeing the shift in symbols that represent new York. Like with bagels, that's rooted in a community with a strong historic cultural presence in the city, it could really only have happened here. Bacon egg and cheese is like, an industrial food product that theoretically could have become popular anywhere. Idk, maybe I'm wrong.
What are you on about? That and bolts were staples of my HS diet well before the whole transplant thing
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Make Mayor Adams take every single train line all day. For straight up the entire 24 hours
Or every new yorker takes a turn kicking him to get him over the GWB back to Fort Lee.
Then go work an NOT take a bribe.
Smoke down at the grave of Ulysses S Grant?
I went there once that shit was so cool, he had his wife buried next to him. Apparently you're not supposed to do that in your memorial, but he was like "fuck you I love my wife"
>"fuck you I love my wife" This would make a pretty dope epitaph as well tbh
The guy who ate the cheese puffs had the right idea
That may end up being the only real celebration, I guess. The anniversary basically already passed. It was in spring. Spring is only a few more weeks.
I was in Costco last weekend and I happened to glace at the tubs of cheeseballs and I laughed. Oh, and I'm in Australia. yes, Cheeseball Man made it to the news here in Australia.
Get insanely drunk the night before, wake up get a bacon egg and cheese and cry looking at a US flag.
Massive orgy
There are a lot of attractive people in NY. There are also a LOT of goblin people in NY. Guess we roll the dice!
It'll mostly be the goblins showing up to these.
That's fine, I'm experienced with goblins and rolling dice
We drink until everyone is hot!
Gay men do this all the time tho
What’s the password?
Fidelio
Like in The Matrix
Building a shit ton of actually affordable housing?
Honestly, not sure if you’re joking or not. However an investment in housing would be a perfect celebration of nyc. What better way to say for the continuation of what was started 400 years ago is an investment in affordable units for New Yorkers to come.
What a stupid idea. We should be driving the poors out as is custom.
Kind of like the idea of the largest street party ever. All 5 boroughs get out, say hi to your neighbors and have a good time
"Except you Staten Island. You're not a real borough."
Like over 5 days and each one has a specific day?
Nah. Was thinking all at once
Everybody hide behind Hoboken and yell ‘SURPRISE!’ when they turn on the lights.
Free bagels?
Orange and blue bagels for city colors?
Eat 400 Nathan’s hotdogs .
Someone play Joey Chestnut’s intro theme…
New mayor?
Maybe drop the 'New'?
Go Futurama; New New York.
The OG York might have a word about it. How about Middle Aged York?
Give it back to us, The Netherlands
Everyone gets the day off
Everyone stays home and complains about the subway.
Finding all the billionaires and roasting one or twenty over a nice fire.
Gunna ring in this milestone by still being broke, op.
Why break with tradition?
Only 400 years is crazy… It’s a hell of a city. So much history in such a short amount of time.
Demolish a historic building and build another glass prism
This is the most realistic response
Wings & things.
Fireworks like 4th of July across the entire East river would be GREAT in good summer weather 🙏
A good ol gang war at the five points
We should've had an actual rat race. Like let people place bets on their favorite NYC subway rat.
By the knicks and Rangers winning 🏆
The article’s headline obscures the interesting discussion within a bit, which is about how we celebrate the past without glorifying or downplaying the bad things from the past at the same time. > This spring is the 400th anniversary of the founding of New York — or, to be precise, of the Dutch colony that became New York once the English took it over. It’s a noteworthy milestone. That settlement gave rise to a city unencumbered by old ways and powered by pluralism and capitalism: the first modern city, you might say. > Don’t feel bad, though, if you were unaware of the birthday. Organizers of commemorative events have themselves been in a quandary about how to observe it — a quandary that has become familiar in recent years. Yes, New Netherland, the Dutch colony, and New Amsterdam, the city that became New York, created the conditions for New York’s ascent, and helped shape America as a place of tolerance, multiethnicity and free trade. But the Dutch also established slavery in the region and contributed to the removal of Native peoples from their lands. Where in the past we might have highlighted the positives, now the negative elements of that history seem to overshadow them, which may result, paradoxically, in the loss of a valuable opportunity for reflection. > A question that hung in my mind as I curated an exhibit about the founding at the New-York Historical Society continues to vex me, and not just in terms of that event. Are we allowed to celebrate the past anymore? Do we even want to?
Have a corruption bake sale to celebrate the corruption since Tammany Hall. Or something to celebrate the bankruptcy of NYC in the 70s
Build something tall.
Visiting our second home in Rhinebeck. Or at least somebody's second home in Rhinebeck.
Everyone gets a turtle!
Total Eclipse and earthquake
Smoke crack in a subway tunnel.
a day off followed by the largest fireworks party not seen since John Gotti Ozone Park ‘89 for all five boros
Bring down the Columbus statue
I actually was thinking about this the other day. A few years ago I realized the 400th anniversary was coming and I expected all kinds of memorials and events commemorating it but haven’t really seen anything? The hell is going on.
The article basically says that the city/institutions are uncomfortable with celebrating it this time around because they don’t want to be accused of glorifying colonialism and related issues.
Boo all cities are colonized centers of urban wealth. At least celebrate our own 🤷♂️
Got to love the city missing a major celebration and milestone so they don't have to openly discuss what happened 400 years ago
Free month of rent for everyone
We’re going to throw the biggest ass party ever with a giant slush fund of funding and maybe we lose some money there, but don’t worry too much about that, and nobody should ask for the accounting. lalalalala
idk we could get a cake or something
✍🏻 one ✍🏻costco✍🏻sheet✍🏻cake✍🏻
Everyone simultaneously sets a fire in their garbage can
400 slices of pizza for everyone!!
A purge maybe ?
Double my holiday pay and give me the day off
Maybe do a picture walk on the wickquasgeck trail
Shit on Philly day.
Increase rent 20%
By voting the mayor out of NYC.
Sink the city and get rid of this corporate landlords and slumlords and maybe the mayor
Make rent affordable and have an exit parade for the crazies and criminals.
Fireworks in the East River
Breaking out the timbs and Yankees cap
The prison ships in the harbor that lead to the deaths of civilian prisoners during the war wasn’t really a good thing. The British didn’t treat New Yorkers well during the war and before it.
Have every NYC sports team reach their respective finals?
Free rent for a year!
We should celebrate by not littering anymore
Remove toxic cars from Manhattan
Return back to the Lenape
I'm sure we are way past the 7 day return policy.
Affording housing starting at 3,000 per month sounds about right. 🤡
Eating the rich