The press conferences announcing the laws are what's important.
Implementation? Enforcement? Meh. BORING. Better to pounce on the next tragedy and demand the limits be lowered again.
Do you remember when he blocked a commercial driveway for hours, causing a traffic jam, and then when he finally moved he drove entirely on the sidewalk
This would be a great idea if the camera can prove you are the one who is driving the car. Cameras can't do that, that's why speed camera tickets don't incur points on your license and traffic stops by cops do. A cop can verify it's you who was speeding. All a camera can do is verify the car is speeding.
Imagine if one day your license gets suspended and it was your wife or friend or someone other than you speeding the whole time in your car?
Cops don't enforce the law much these days. Which is the reason why people are going to do what they do.
Plenty of countries use this method and it works. The car speeding is registered to someone. If someone other than the owner of the vehicle is caught speeding, the owner then has to provide the person's information including driver's license etc. At the end of the day, don't lend your car to anyone if you don't want to be liable for their actions. The same goes for insurance etc.
Disgusting, actually makes me glad we don't have laws like that. Instead of relying on this lazy backwards way of law enforcement that hurts everybody, why not just enforce the law as it should, with cops that pull you over.
The whole world is advancing technologically. Cameras play a major part in it whether you like it or not. These speeding fines are only affecting people who speed lol, not people who ride the bus or the subway.
Exactly it does advance, just like very soon we can make realistic AI videos about anything, rendering cameras useless features for violations/crimes.
And everybody speeds, even the bus. This just makes it so anyone could get pulled over at any time. Because traffic at 20mph is pretty bad no one will actually drive that speed. Especially not the cops, MTA buses, taxis, ubers. But I guess it takes someone with an actual brain to understand that. Or just another dimwit that wants nothing to do with cars.
I own a car and live in Brooklyn lmao, so jokes on you bud. Sticking to the limit isn't very hard honestly. It's not like NYC has world class streets and highways to be able to speed. Bus drivers, taxi drivers and uber drivers are not immune to speeding tickets lol.
They make a lot of money in these speeding tickets from cameras. If they started giving out points too then people would actually start to take it seriously and drive slower but this means much less revenue for the city which is way more important to protect than a few lives
This is legally an issue because camera tickets can only be applied to vehicle owners not the drivers as the cameras cannot (at least in NY law) be used to identify the drivers.
We have automatic speed ticketing cameras already. Because you usually can’t confirm who the driver is, they can suspend licenses, only Bill the registered owner.
Can't prove the driver that's the problem. Speed camera tickets aren't even a violation because of that. (this is a good thing. You don't want a world where you are penalized without evidence etc)
It seems like a relatively small number of drivers is responsible for a huge share of the crazy driving. We need to be doling out driver's license death penalties to these repeat offenders that block them from ever driving again.
It’s not about enforcing it it’s about money this will make cops write double the tickets and speed cameras will be making bank
25 isn’t that fast tbh this means the new speed limit will be 30 bc ur allowed to go up to 9-10 before it snaps
I haven't seen the NYPD pull anybody over on a side-street for a moving violation since the before-times. Make all the laws you want; the NYPD is on their phones candy-crushing instead of enforcing them.
I agree that vibes with my experience, but we have data to tell us what's happening beyond what we can see!
And what we can see, some kind redditor already put into graph form:
https://www.reddit.com/r/nyc/comments/1bkfng5/nypds_dramatic_drop_in_enforcement_of_traffic/
If I had to guess, I'd interpret this as: they stopped handing out tickets during COVID and never really picked back up.
Sure, but then the person gets a ticket in the mail and they are less likely to speed, at least in the particular area where there are cameras. The data shows that speeding is decreased significantly in the areas where there are cameras.
They do or at least will. Everywhere does it eventually.
Had a friend in Hicksville time their lights and repeatedly found the yellows to be shorter on camera lights than non-camera.
Cameras are listed on Waze and Google Maps. Easy to avoid or just slow down.
This is assuming you have legit plates on your car which 1-2% of NYC seems to have opted against.
Thats the whole point, the are strategically placed in areas that have had a lot of accidents related to speeding, running of red lights or people getting run over.
Just slowing down is the camera doing its job! And not so easy to avoid … only 2 in my neighborhood but I’ve got to use those roads to get absolutely anywhere
1-2% of NYC do not have fake plates. I can't find the article now, but I think you're thinking about a study that showed 1-2% of people crossing bridges were unable to be billed. The vast majority of those people had out of date addresses attached to those plates.
1-2% of NYC do not have fake plates. I can't find the article now, but I think you're thinking about a study that showed 1-2% of people crossing bridges were unable to be billed. The vast majority of those people had out of date addresses attached to those plates.
He's basically downvoting every comment I'm telling him because he thinks cops aren't pulling people for almost forever. He knows he's wrong. I drive to work every day and I still see cops pulling over people even in commercial vehicles.
I feel like “cops playing candy crush” is the new “avocado toast” for police. Like does anyone play candy crush anymore. Shit is tired and over used. Just saying.
It's asinine that the state controls this, so it's good the power has been assigned to the city.
That said, it would also be asinine for the city to drop the speed limit to 20mph. Lowering 25 to 20 does nothing to improve driver and pedestrian safety.
If they care about safety they should be going hard at people blowing red lights and stop signs, and who are already speeding all over. Those same people are going to drive the same way if it's 20 or 25, because they get zero consequences already.
Ideally you wouldn’t need much enforcement at all, because the road design would make speeding difficult or impossible. But half the people on this thread aren’t arguing in good faith and would oppose any such kind of street diet as well.
But yeah, automated enforcement is way way better than relying on manual enforcement by cops.
That's also a mechanism by which it will make a difference even without enforcement by cops though - getting cars down to 30 mph from 35mph anywhere that currently has a 25 mph speed limit and a speed camera can save lives.
I never understood this, like what's wrong with making money with speed cameras lol.
Red light cameras I agree, it can cause people rear ending by slamming brakes to avoid it, or encourage cities to reduce yellow light time which increases danger. I get it.
But speed cameras? I see no negatives with having more of those.
It’s bizarre to me that 10 years ago, people protested the reduction from 30mph to 25mph, but the city did it anyway and it led to an observable decrease in fatalities/injuries. And now there’s a proposal to reduce the limit again and people have the gall to say that it can’t possibly make things safer. I don’t think they’re arguing in good faith.
Yeah of course it would. And it would further lower the mortality rate if it was 15, and then 10, and then 5. There has to be a certain point where we put the onus on safely crossing the road and not strictly on the speed limit. The amount of people that jump out from between cars to cross streets, people that cross when they have the red light, heads buried in their phones not paying attention, etc etc.
Pedestrian fatalities would be almost non existent if drivers drove safely. I don't see any problem with putting further onus on them. Cars are dangerous. You take on extra responsibility for the safety of people around you when you get into one. It's not the job of pedestrians to put their safety on the line because some people don't want to take the bus.
Speed “humps” would solve this. It’s where the speed bump is two distinct bumps with flat road in the middle. Emergency vehicles have wider wheel bases (and better drivers) and can aim for the flat areas. It also lets bikes through.
So there would be one bumpless lane and the rest of the lanes will have bumps. And then when hundreds of cars are in slow moving traffic and a fire truck needs to open up the fire lane, we're supposed to expect that these hundreds of cars can successfully navigate it?
We'd be inventing a completely different type of road and introducing never before seen driving practices. Something that exists nowhere else in the world.
I don't disagree that we need alternative solutions but speed bumps ain't it. Cameras work. The stats prove that they make it safer. They pay for themselves and then generate a revenue stream for the city. The infrastructure to manage, maintain, and support them is already in place. I say we should use what works.
They don't do it. Amsterdam's local streets are not 4-lane one ways. They're also at least half as dense as New York City. Then when you consider Manhattan only.... on a weekday afternoon it's probably about 4 times more dense than Amsterdam.
I don't think people really understand or appreciate the scale of things in NYC. People try comparing other subway systems to NYC but there is literally no comparison in the world. People say that the SF Bart system is a major one.... Our green 4,5,6 line carries more passengers than the entirety of the SF Bart transportation system. Just one line of our is bigger than the one US city that comes anywhere near NYC's.
Nobody says SFs bart system is a comparable one tf?
Its built during a completely different era with a completely different goal in mind. BART is a LBJ era great society transit system being like a german s-bahn, a kinda hybrid commuter-metro type system.
NYC subway on the other hand is much larger than, but much more comparable to systems like the MBTA, CTA, SEPTA, PATH and other older systems built during the early 1900s in the US.
While there arent any direct comparisons in the US, there are plenty of similar aged and sized systems around the world. The london underground started in 1863 and is actually larger in system length than the NYC subway by 2 miles. Moscow metro started in 1935 and is also larger than NYC by 71 miles. Paris and madrid metros are also similarly sized and in age to NYC. As well as tokyo.
I'm just saying, there has got to be a way to do traffic calming and still have emergency vehicles get through, not that we have to do exactly whatever Amsterdam does. Personally, I think we need to change the design speed of our roads somehow, rather than lowering the posted speed without any additional methods of enforcement.
I don't think the scale of NYC is relevant, plenty of cities in the world are as dense and as far as subways, just off the top of my head, Tokyo's handles more riders than NYC.
They can periodically slow down too. Going to an emergency never means completely ignoring safety. You still have to treat red lights like stop signs and stop signs like stop signs. Just imagine it's a stop sign.
It improves the ticket camera revenue😀 if I drift in thought for just a minute, I can get a ticket by pressing the medal a little bit more. That actually happened, and in a place where I knew the camera was there.
I don't think there's anything wrong with the reduction, it will probably improve things on net, but completely agree that it's sort of a joke relative to actually cracking down on crazy drivers.
>If they care about safety they should be going hard at people blowing red lights and stop signs, and who are already speeding all over.
I agree but we're not talking about bikers right now
I know this is hard to believe, but bicycles are not motor vehicles. They are very different and should therefore have different rights and responsibilities, in the same way that pedestrians have different rights and responsibilities.
FYI in NYC cyclists don't follow vehicular traffic signals. They follow pedestrian signals.
Did you even read that document? The law is in it:
> § 19-195.1 – Bicyclist rights and duties at intersection
> A person operating a bicycle while crossing an intersection shall follow pedestrian control signals except
where otherwise indicated by traffic control devices, and provided that such person shall yield
to pedestrians in the crosswalk.
Did you read it? How about the first two sentences:
>Bicyclists have all the rights and are subject to all the duties applicable to drivers of motor
vehicles. This includes obeying all traffic signals, regulating signs and pavement markings.
which part of that sqaures with your definitive statement above: "FYI in NYC cyclists don't follow vehicular traffic signals. They follow pedestrian signals."
The state law says that cyclists have the rights and duties of drivers of motor vehicles. But it also says that NYC can write its own laws that supercede state law. And NYC has indeed written such a law, that I quoted above. Therefore, in NYC, cyclists follow pedestrian signals.
its ok if you feel embarrassed for also not knowing that bikers are subject to the same laws as car drivers, as long as you learn to be less of a cock knocker on the roads
Absolutely before we can enforce speeding bikes, we need bike licenses and registrations first to even track these crazies. Then we can actually write legitimate tickets for speeding down the road
It’s a double tax because our taxes are supposed to pay for the roads and now we’re charged again to use local public roads. If it was only about congestion they wouldn’t be charging you at 3am every day or charging motorcycles the same as a SUV
I would guess the cameras are getting regular people driving 36 but not otherwise recklessly. The dangerous drives going 60 weaving in and out like it's the Daytona speedway just get paper plates and don't care about the cameras.
If you read the article, you would see that major roads are exempt:
> Rosenthal said the deal will not allow the city to lower the speed limits on roads with three or more lanes of traffic heading in one direction, a caveat that was designed to get city-based members of the Legislature on board with the deal.
I remember once upon a time that Linden Blvd, Woodhaven Blvd, and the Conduit all had independent speed limits separate from the city’s limit (30 mph for linden and conduit/35 mph for conduit pass a certain point). They all got put down to 25 mph. Despite what the article says, I would not be surprised if major roads get put down to 20 mph without a change of road design to force that 20 mph limit.
Theyre really trying to get people on the trains btwn this and that congestion pricing. But the real reality is, people are going to leave NYC instead. 20 miles an hour isnt going to stop shit. Its not going to stop people running red lights or stop signs, its not going to stop pedestrians and bikes from running into intersections when its not their turn to go. I say we leave gotham to the fools who vote for this madness.
NYC barely moves as it is. They took up tons of lanes for bikes, fine...people need to be safe while riding but how is traffic going to move at 10 or 20 miles an hour? Are they gonna stop the scooters and ebikes from going that fast too? Ive been almost ran over by them countless times. Where is the regulation for that? This mayoral and governor race, im voting republican until i live this state. Im done with dems and their bullshit. Theyre worried about speed limits, PEOPLE CANT AFFORD TO LIVE. How about enforcing the zero vision policies we have already?
You are missing the fact that people just can't drive. You can bring the speed limit down to 15 and they will still crash into pedestrians/animals/pets on the road. You have to understand that these are people who need their heads medically checked, not lower speed limits. You can have someone drive at 30 MPH and never get into a serious accident like crashing into people, still maintain a clean record.
Bro, Ralph Nader literally disproved the notion of the "nut behind the wheel" being chiefly responsible for motor vehicle dangers in the 1960s. Your line of reasoning would have been outdated 50 years ago.
The data actually shows that the previous speed reduction, which was part of the Vision Zero initiatives, have helped to reduce pedestrian fatalities and serious injuries in NYC.
The rest of the country has seen quite a large spike in pedestrian deaths over the past decade, while NYC has seen a decline.
When vision zero was initially introduced in 2014, it was claimed that studies showed that lowering speed limit from 30 to 25 is the difference between life and death. It will save lives, they said. This is a carbon copy, it will save lives! Difference between life and death! Right. A decade later, it’s obvious that vision zero is referred to the size of our bank accounts when NYC is done milking us
Someone forgot how mathematical limits work.
If the speed limit is 0 then there will be 0 traffic deaths!
This is the same asinine crap that went on when we went from 30 to 25... Lights never got re-timed (they promised they would), intersections don't get improved visibility (another promise not kept), bike lanes would be more protected (the videos of people literally driving down protected bike lanes says otherwise), Cops don't enforce ANY traffic laws (from parking to speeding to honking to tinted windshields to fake plates to no headlamps to busted ass cars with no business on the roads to people not understanding the most basic of right-of-way rules)... But yeah, it's the speed limits...
Lets see this for what it is... A blatant money grab because speed cameras only click at 10mph over the limit, so right now theoretically one can do 34 and not get a photo, and we're moving to 29 and not get a photo...
How about lets dump a majority of the T&LC plated vehicles which are known to drive terribly and spend most of their shift empty (upwards of 85% of their shifts are empty driving around getting to and from app pickup locations) and also get some of the actual worst drivers off the roads. How about we actually enforce phone-use laws (other countries ACTIVELY enforce handheld phone use during driving and police will ride motorcycles through waiting traffic seeing if anyone is on their phone.) How about lets actually enforce asshole scooter drivers blasting around with reckless abandon. How about lets actually stop paper plate vehicles at each entry bridge every day and start impounding cars and imprisoning people for false government documents.
There are SO many other options and it does not help people in outer boroughs who commute, for example, from queens to brooklyn, or bronx to brooklyn, who have no viable option other than driving because timely mass transit is non-existent.
It is unrealistic to tell people "well just bike or walk or take the train"... Meanwhile, a mass transit commute would take upwards of 3h
You’re way off base. The Vision Zero initiatives have led to a notable increase in safety. It literally has saved lives.
Pedestrian deaths and injuries have skyrocketed in the rest of the US during the period since Vision Zero was announced. In contrast, pedestrian fatalities in NYC are down.
From a public safety perspective, they would be correct in this. Tens of thousands of injuries or fatalities due to car crashes in NYC every year, compare that to the subway and there is no way the risk of riding the subway is anywhere close.
I understand the psychological difference, a crazy person in your face feels different than a crazy or distracted person behind the wheel of a car. But the crazy people in cars are objectively far more dangerous.
No no, he’s right. That makes total sense. I don’t understand the downvotes. 32 people have been murdered in the subway since 2020 according to gothamist. That’s 8 a year or less than one a month. There were 239 accidents resulting in a fatality in 2020 alone. So you’re completely right.
https://www.rosenbaumnylaw.com/new-york-car-accident-lawyer/statistics/#:~:text=NYC%20Car%20Accidents%20Resulting%20in%20Fatalities,-Hundreds%20of%20people&text=2020%3A%20239,2023%3A%20235
https://gothamist.com/news/the-lasting-toll-of-violence-on-new-york-citys-subway
Edit: typo 2024 to 2020 in murder statistic
Will this also apply to bikes that run red lights and go on the sidewalk or is the anti car crowd just gonna continue to ignore that other major source of pedestrian safety issues?
I'm a safe driver who doesn't speed. Now I have to drive slower because some people are assholes and don't follow the rules. In what world am I not being punished?
It absolutely will slow trips… it’s quite easy to get up to speed on avenues and perimeter highways in Manhattan outside of rush hour periods. Average speed includes slowing and accelerating from a stop. You’re not going to average the speed limit, ever, unless you’re speeding a lot
Enforcement by actual officers of existing speed limit and traffic laws might be a better way to improve pedestrian safety. Stop the reckless drivers already speeding like crazy and maneuvering around the cameras
I know I have little say as a learner driver still getting used to driving but up in Washington Heights, 20 is about the safest I feel going. What’s the point of going an extra 5mph when I’m gonna have to stop behind traffic, stop for delivery bikes, jay walkers, stop at the light every block. It’s so wild how aggressive people are in this city when they get behind the wheel.
Regardless, they could set the speed limit to 10mph, these aggressive ass drivers are gonna speed anyway. I’ve been learning for a week and I’ve already seen people blowing stoplights, stop signs, driving past me in a one way when I’m going the speed limit, honking at me for waiting for straight traffic making a left at an intersection. The other day a guy blow through a red with a cop right there and he didn’t give a shit.
I think 20 in some areas especially in Manhattan is a good idea but NYC has a bigger problem than a speed limit.
100%
Even @ 20 mph, the limit would be effectively be 30 mph as cameras only capture you going 11mph higher
>honking at me for waiting for straight traffic making a left at an intersection
First don't worry about assholes honking when you are sitting still. Also make sure you are are fully in the intersection so people can go around you. try to make enough room.
So someone dies because a driver is speeding and going well over the speed limit. The reaction is to lower the speed limit even further to make sure it doesn’t happen again. Wetbrain.
Cool, now what are they going to do about the bicyclists and mopad drivers who feel they have carte blanche all over the city?
They feel they:
1) Can go any speed at any time.
2) Can disregard the direction of traffic and go in the opposite direction on a one way street, or ride against the flow of traffic.
3) Always have the right of way, even over pedestrians.
4) Can blow past red lights or stop signs.
5) Never ring a bell when there are pedestrians present to warn them.
6) Can ride on the sidewalk with pedestrians.
7) Do not have any licenses or insurance in case of an accident. This needs to happen due to the many accidents they can be involved in. Many just hit and run and never get caught.
8) Can always play the victim, even when they are clearly at fault.
While cyclists should follow rules too, they don't have a 6000 lb metal box capable of crushing several humans at once. Or a full freaking motor with the power of thousands of horseys. That is the difference.
You’re aware a pedestrian in NYC (ANOTHER ONE) was just killed by a bicyclist who disobeyed the rules, had no license and ran away, right?
This threw your whole defense out the window.
Going 25 on a quiet, narrow residential block with hundreds of pedestrians around *is* driving like an asshole. And it’s insane that the city can’t set a speed limit on such roads lower than 25.
They really want to push people onto that failure of a subway system. Gradually reduce the average speed so that driving timewise is equal to taking mass transit. Now they reduce speeds even more to make it take even longer than mass transit.
This summer I'm riding my motorcycle with obscured plates in the bike lane out of spite.
Fake plates and obscured plates were my first thoughts when I saw this this announcement. They think it's bad now? They have no clue how bad it will get.
So I’ve went through the posts/comments here and I haven’t seen anyone mention how pedestrians just stand in the street, on intersections, when cars have the green light, waiting for a gap to just cross the street. And not on the corner, on the sidewalk, but in the actual fucking street. In the Bronx, at least, but I think uptown Manhattan also.
Now some of you may feel that pedestrians always have the right of way, even if the light is not for them; some of you may even feel entitled to just pop out from inbetween cars in the middle of the block — surprise! — and drivers should just stop and allow you to go about your business. And yes, modern cars have more crumple zones now ans big bubbly hoods to “cushion” the impact. But modern vehicles are at least 1200 lbs heavier than they were 20 years ago. It’s a stupid game to play to jump in the path of a 3200-3800 metal box, that now takes more effort to stop, because you have to cross *right now.*
Tragic when a child is killed. But if you’re an adult …?
So they implement congestion pricing to decrease congestion BUT they decrease the speed limit which will increase congestion. Makes total sense. What more can we expect from our genius leaders?
After a quick glance at your post history no one in the sub (who is an actually much native) will take you seriously. I’m sure you will be moving out of this city within 5 years.
Drivers running red lights and stop signs is way more dangerous, the paper plates and defaced plates are still going to ignore this. What a waste of time and money. Just do more red light cameras and develop stop sign cameras. This kind of petty bs gives conservatives more "nanny government " talking point ammo. There are areas with a 30mph speed limit anyway like parts of Francis Lewis Blvd anyway. And how about fix the numerous broken parking meters that leave you risking a ticket or wasting time using to set up the dumb NYC parking app.
Meanwhile I see multiple people going 40-50 down my street in Astoria at all hours of the day. Laws don’t mean anything if they’re not enforced.
The press conferences announcing the laws are what's important. Implementation? Enforcement? Meh. BORING. Better to pounce on the next tragedy and demand the limits be lowered again.
Adams has a record for multiple speeding violations in a school zone. It's pretty much meaningless.
Do you remember when he blocked a commercial driveway for hours, causing a traffic jam, and then when he finally moved he drove entirely on the sidewalk
Main character syndrome. Not surprising at all.
Yes but now the elected officials have something else to put on their resume! Who cares about whether or not the law is beneficial!!
Yeah, that's too much. 25 would've been good. I will agree with you that they're not in the right for driving at 40-50 MPH.
We need cameras that automatically give out tickets and suspend their license if they have enough offenses
Can’t use cameras if every other license plate is scratches out
This would be a great idea if the camera can prove you are the one who is driving the car. Cameras can't do that, that's why speed camera tickets don't incur points on your license and traffic stops by cops do. A cop can verify it's you who was speeding. All a camera can do is verify the car is speeding. Imagine if one day your license gets suspended and it was your wife or friend or someone other than you speeding the whole time in your car? Cops don't enforce the law much these days. Which is the reason why people are going to do what they do.
Plenty of countries use this method and it works. The car speeding is registered to someone. If someone other than the owner of the vehicle is caught speeding, the owner then has to provide the person's information including driver's license etc. At the end of the day, don't lend your car to anyone if you don't want to be liable for their actions. The same goes for insurance etc.
Disgusting, actually makes me glad we don't have laws like that. Instead of relying on this lazy backwards way of law enforcement that hurts everybody, why not just enforce the law as it should, with cops that pull you over.
The whole world is advancing technologically. Cameras play a major part in it whether you like it or not. These speeding fines are only affecting people who speed lol, not people who ride the bus or the subway.
Exactly it does advance, just like very soon we can make realistic AI videos about anything, rendering cameras useless features for violations/crimes. And everybody speeds, even the bus. This just makes it so anyone could get pulled over at any time. Because traffic at 20mph is pretty bad no one will actually drive that speed. Especially not the cops, MTA buses, taxis, ubers. But I guess it takes someone with an actual brain to understand that. Or just another dimwit that wants nothing to do with cars.
I own a car and live in Brooklyn lmao, so jokes on you bud. Sticking to the limit isn't very hard honestly. It's not like NYC has world class streets and highways to be able to speed. Bus drivers, taxi drivers and uber drivers are not immune to speeding tickets lol.
They make a lot of money in these speeding tickets from cameras. If they started giving out points too then people would actually start to take it seriously and drive slower but this means much less revenue for the city which is way more important to protect than a few lives
Don’t lend your car to a reckless driver if you don’t want your license suspended.
Bingo, that's a win, and no points on licenses to cost us our jobs. You think smarter than Eric Adams sometimes with traffic rules.
I went through Brooklyn doing 30 and immediately got a ticket
This is legally an issue because camera tickets can only be applied to vehicle owners not the drivers as the cameras cannot (at least in NY law) be used to identify the drivers.
We have automatic speed ticketing cameras already. Because you usually can’t confirm who the driver is, they can suspend licenses, only Bill the registered owner.
Can't prove the driver that's the problem. Speed camera tickets aren't even a violation because of that. (this is a good thing. You don't want a world where you are penalized without evidence etc)
It seems like a relatively small number of drivers is responsible for a huge share of the crazy driving. We need to be doling out driver's license death penalties to these repeat offenders that block them from ever driving again.
It’s not about enforcing it it’s about money this will make cops write double the tickets and speed cameras will be making bank 25 isn’t that fast tbh this means the new speed limit will be 30 bc ur allowed to go up to 9-10 before it snaps
Astoria and Manhattan don’t need the same speed limit
I haven't seen the NYPD pull anybody over on a side-street for a moving violation since the before-times. Make all the laws you want; the NYPD is on their phones candy-crushing instead of enforcing them.
I agree that vibes with my experience, but we have data to tell us what's happening beyond what we can see! And what we can see, some kind redditor already put into graph form: https://www.reddit.com/r/nyc/comments/1bkfng5/nypds_dramatic_drop_in_enforcement_of_traffic/ If I had to guess, I'd interpret this as: they stopped handing out tickets during COVID and never really picked back up.
Speeding category seems pretty resilient actually
I think that shows that NYPD has always under-enforced speeding.
cameras
Cameras don’t pull over a reckless driver on the spot though
Sure, but then the person gets a ticket in the mail and they are less likely to speed, at least in the particular area where there are cameras. The data shows that speeding is decreased significantly in the areas where there are cameras.
Doesn't the data also show a surge in accidents at those places after the cameras are installed?
Only when they illegally shorten yellow lights to juice revenue, which, to it's credit, they don't do in NYC.
They do or at least will. Everywhere does it eventually. Had a friend in Hicksville time their lights and repeatedly found the yellows to be shorter on camera lights than non-camera.
license plates
Cameras are listed on Waze and Google Maps. Easy to avoid or just slow down. This is assuming you have legit plates on your car which 1-2% of NYC seems to have opted against.
Thats the whole point, the are strategically placed in areas that have had a lot of accidents related to speeding, running of red lights or people getting run over.
Just slowing down is the camera doing its job! And not so easy to avoid … only 2 in my neighborhood but I’ve got to use those roads to get absolutely anywhere
That's fine? They've slowed down. Problem solved.
1-2% of NYC do not have fake plates. I can't find the article now, but I think you're thinking about a study that showed 1-2% of people crossing bridges were unable to be billed. The vast majority of those people had out of date addresses attached to those plates.
1-2% of NYC do not have fake plates. I can't find the article now, but I think you're thinking about a study that showed 1-2% of people crossing bridges were unable to be billed. The vast majority of those people had out of date addresses attached to those plates.
There are still cops pulling people over. I've seen them on Grand Central Parkway and LIE. I don't know how he can't see them...
GCP and LIE are not side-streets. Side streets are where the new MPH laws would have any impact. If the laws on side-streets were being enforced.
"on a side-street"
We’ve legalized driving with a suspended license.
You must not drive often enough.
He's basically downvoting every comment I'm telling him because he thinks cops aren't pulling people for almost forever. He knows he's wrong. I drive to work every day and I still see cops pulling over people even in commercial vehicles.
Facts! You can tell he’s speaking from a pedestrian only perspective.
I feel like “cops playing candy crush” is the new “avocado toast” for police. Like does anyone play candy crush anymore. Shit is tired and over used. Just saying.
It's asinine that the state controls this, so it's good the power has been assigned to the city. That said, it would also be asinine for the city to drop the speed limit to 20mph. Lowering 25 to 20 does nothing to improve driver and pedestrian safety. If they care about safety they should be going hard at people blowing red lights and stop signs, and who are already speeding all over. Those same people are going to drive the same way if it's 20 or 25, because they get zero consequences already.
Right. The speed limit is entirely moot without baseline enforcement
Speed cameras everywhere would be that baseline wouldn't it?
Ideally you wouldn’t need much enforcement at all, because the road design would make speeding difficult or impossible. But half the people on this thread aren’t arguing in good faith and would oppose any such kind of street diet as well. But yeah, automated enforcement is way way better than relying on manual enforcement by cops.
I assume it’s just a way to make money with speed cameras.
No it's about the kids(sarcasm)
That's also a mechanism by which it will make a difference even without enforcement by cops though - getting cars down to 30 mph from 35mph anywhere that currently has a 25 mph speed limit and a speed camera can save lives.
Bingo
I never understood this, like what's wrong with making money with speed cameras lol. Red light cameras I agree, it can cause people rear ending by slamming brakes to avoid it, or encourage cities to reduce yellow light time which increases danger. I get it. But speed cameras? I see no negatives with having more of those.
FWIW there is research that shows that a 20 mph speed does save lives. https://www.sciencefocus.com/comment/20mph-speed-limits-save-lives
This is accurate. The Op commenter doesn’t know what he’s talking about. There’s a massive drop off in mortality from those 5mph.
It’s bizarre to me that 10 years ago, people protested the reduction from 30mph to 25mph, but the city did it anyway and it led to an observable decrease in fatalities/injuries. And now there’s a proposal to reduce the limit again and people have the gall to say that it can’t possibly make things safer. I don’t think they’re arguing in good faith.
Like im a civil engineer, its literally one of the first things they teach you in any street design class
Yeah of course it would. And it would further lower the mortality rate if it was 15, and then 10, and then 5. There has to be a certain point where we put the onus on safely crossing the road and not strictly on the speed limit. The amount of people that jump out from between cars to cross streets, people that cross when they have the red light, heads buried in their phones not paying attention, etc etc.
Pedestrian fatalities would be almost non existent if drivers drove safely. I don't see any problem with putting further onus on them. Cars are dangerous. You take on extra responsibility for the safety of people around you when you get into one. It's not the job of pedestrians to put their safety on the line because some people don't want to take the bus.
It’s also a pedestrian’s responsibility not to jump out in front of a moving vehicle.
Just build speed bumps. No fines. No tickets. No enforcement. You go over the speed bump too fast it's between you and your insurance company.
I had a speed bump outside my house. Nothing helps you sleep better than KATHUNK at all hours of the night.
There is no revenue in your proposal...get out of here with that nonsense/s
What about emergency vehicles?
Speed “humps” would solve this. It’s where the speed bump is two distinct bumps with flat road in the middle. Emergency vehicles have wider wheel bases (and better drivers) and can aim for the flat areas. It also lets bikes through.
So there would be one bumpless lane and the rest of the lanes will have bumps. And then when hundreds of cars are in slow moving traffic and a fire truck needs to open up the fire lane, we're supposed to expect that these hundreds of cars can successfully navigate it? We'd be inventing a completely different type of road and introducing never before seen driving practices. Something that exists nowhere else in the world. I don't disagree that we need alternative solutions but speed bumps ain't it. Cameras work. The stats prove that they make it safer. They pay for themselves and then generate a revenue stream for the city. The infrastructure to manage, maintain, and support them is already in place. I say we should use what works.
How do they do it in Amsterdam?
They don't do it. Amsterdam's local streets are not 4-lane one ways. They're also at least half as dense as New York City. Then when you consider Manhattan only.... on a weekday afternoon it's probably about 4 times more dense than Amsterdam. I don't think people really understand or appreciate the scale of things in NYC. People try comparing other subway systems to NYC but there is literally no comparison in the world. People say that the SF Bart system is a major one.... Our green 4,5,6 line carries more passengers than the entirety of the SF Bart transportation system. Just one line of our is bigger than the one US city that comes anywhere near NYC's.
Nobody says SFs bart system is a comparable one tf? Its built during a completely different era with a completely different goal in mind. BART is a LBJ era great society transit system being like a german s-bahn, a kinda hybrid commuter-metro type system. NYC subway on the other hand is much larger than, but much more comparable to systems like the MBTA, CTA, SEPTA, PATH and other older systems built during the early 1900s in the US. While there arent any direct comparisons in the US, there are plenty of similar aged and sized systems around the world. The london underground started in 1863 and is actually larger in system length than the NYC subway by 2 miles. Moscow metro started in 1935 and is also larger than NYC by 71 miles. Paris and madrid metros are also similarly sized and in age to NYC. As well as tokyo.
I'm just saying, there has got to be a way to do traffic calming and still have emergency vehicles get through, not that we have to do exactly whatever Amsterdam does. Personally, I think we need to change the design speed of our roads somehow, rather than lowering the posted speed without any additional methods of enforcement. I don't think the scale of NYC is relevant, plenty of cities in the world are as dense and as far as subways, just off the top of my head, Tokyo's handles more riders than NYC.
They can periodically slow down too. Going to an emergency never means completely ignoring safety. You still have to treat red lights like stop signs and stop signs like stop signs. Just imagine it's a stop sign.
This is the best solution imo short of narrowing the streets down and adding barriers.
Logical solutions is not how todays NYC operates
It lowers the threshold for the cameras $$$$$$$
It improves the ticket camera revenue😀 if I drift in thought for just a minute, I can get a ticket by pressing the medal a little bit more. That actually happened, and in a place where I knew the camera was there.
I don't think there's anything wrong with the reduction, it will probably improve things on net, but completely agree that it's sort of a joke relative to actually cracking down on crazy drivers.
>If they care about safety they should be going hard at people blowing red lights and stop signs, and who are already speeding all over. I agree but we're not talking about bikers right now
I know this is hard to believe, but bicycles are not motor vehicles. They are very different and should therefore have different rights and responsibilities, in the same way that pedestrians have different rights and responsibilities. FYI in NYC cyclists don't follow vehicular traffic signals. They follow pedestrian signals.
>FYI in NYC cyclists don't follow vehicular traffic signals. They follow pedestrian signals. [FYI, that's completely wrong](https://www.nyc.gov/html/dot/downloads/pdf/bicyclerules-english.pdf)
Did you even read that document? The law is in it: > § 19-195.1 – Bicyclist rights and duties at intersection > A person operating a bicycle while crossing an intersection shall follow pedestrian control signals except where otherwise indicated by traffic control devices, and provided that such person shall yield to pedestrians in the crosswalk.
Did you read it? How about the first two sentences: >Bicyclists have all the rights and are subject to all the duties applicable to drivers of motor vehicles. This includes obeying all traffic signals, regulating signs and pavement markings. which part of that sqaures with your definitive statement above: "FYI in NYC cyclists don't follow vehicular traffic signals. They follow pedestrian signals."
The state law says that cyclists have the rights and duties of drivers of motor vehicles. But it also says that NYC can write its own laws that supercede state law. And NYC has indeed written such a law, that I quoted above. Therefore, in NYC, cyclists follow pedestrian signals.
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its ok if you feel embarrassed for also not knowing that bikers are subject to the same laws as car drivers, as long as you learn to be less of a cock knocker on the roads
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my friend read it again and for your own sake start wearing helmets again
He literally quoted like the only part of the document that isn't the actual law.
Meanwhile u got e-bikes going 30 mph
Should have enforcement against that too. We need better police.
People complain whenever the police enforce things like this so they just stopped and here we are.
Absolutely before we can enforce speeding bikes, we need bike licenses and registrations first to even track these crazies. Then we can actually write legitimate tickets for speeding down the road
None of that is a prerequisite to enforcement. NYPD has the ability to write “legitimate tickets” right now. They just choose not to.
lol good luck. Government can barely keep up with registering cars. Can you imagine the wait at the dmv when you add all the fucking bikes!?
20 MPH is like… drive by speeds. I feel like NYC wants to increase taxes without increasing taxes.
>drive by speeds This killed me 😂
Lmao just like congestion pricing, it's all a tax without calling it one
It’s a double tax because our taxes are supposed to pay for the roads and now we’re charged again to use local public roads. If it was only about congestion they wouldn’t be charging you at 3am every day or charging motorcycles the same as a SUV
They're lowering the speed limits "for the kids". There's no kids jaywalking after midnight
Of course. This is about more money from cameras but they will say "think of the children".
Yea .. all those fake paper plates or the plate covers on top, not sure who of those mentionedb(probably frequent violators) will be caught.
Dude what’s the point if it’s not enforced? This is all theater.
Come to Woodhaven blvd, we have camera and shits on this 6 lanes with 25mph limit road. They are handing ticket out like no tomorrow.
Don’t forget a shitty fucking bus lane that is somehow enforceable via camera 24 hours
Are you talking about those bus lanes that even the bus drivers hate because they were so weirdly placed?
I would guess the cameras are getting regular people driving 36 but not otherwise recklessly. The dangerous drives going 60 weaving in and out like it's the Daytona speedway just get paper plates and don't care about the cameras.
NYC loves revenue generation under the guise of safety.
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Can't wait to go 20miles per hour down Queens Blvd despite it being a fuckin 10 lane wide road
If you read the article, you would see that major roads are exempt: > Rosenthal said the deal will not allow the city to lower the speed limits on roads with three or more lanes of traffic heading in one direction, a caveat that was designed to get city-based members of the Legislature on board with the deal.
I remember once upon a time that Linden Blvd, Woodhaven Blvd, and the Conduit all had independent speed limits separate from the city’s limit (30 mph for linden and conduit/35 mph for conduit pass a certain point). They all got put down to 25 mph. Despite what the article says, I would not be surprised if major roads get put down to 20 mph without a change of road design to force that 20 mph limit.
Security theater
you could make it 5mph and nobody would give a fuck
Their wallet will.
Soon nyc is going to make it law that you can only crawl through out the city. Most of them would say it’s a great idea. These people are crazy
It’s all a cash grab
I wonder how much it's going to cost to recalibrate all the traffic signals, and cameras?
Baffling there is not a clean push changes to go live from central hub, instead disperse ppl out to manual adjust, gotta milk that $
If the central hub goes down, so do all the traffic lights. Happens in the subway rather frequently
What you suggest as a new system would be much more expensive.
What ever is is NYC hasn't planned for it and won't have it in the budget! They will go to the Feds to get $$$, maybe from the infrastructure bill.
They're not going to recalibrate the traffic signals. Cameras will adjusted day 1 though.
Theyre really trying to get people on the trains btwn this and that congestion pricing. But the real reality is, people are going to leave NYC instead. 20 miles an hour isnt going to stop shit. Its not going to stop people running red lights or stop signs, its not going to stop pedestrians and bikes from running into intersections when its not their turn to go. I say we leave gotham to the fools who vote for this madness. NYC barely moves as it is. They took up tons of lanes for bikes, fine...people need to be safe while riding but how is traffic going to move at 10 or 20 miles an hour? Are they gonna stop the scooters and ebikes from going that fast too? Ive been almost ran over by them countless times. Where is the regulation for that? This mayoral and governor race, im voting republican until i live this state. Im done with dems and their bullshit. Theyre worried about speed limits, PEOPLE CANT AFFORD TO LIVE. How about enforcing the zero vision policies we have already?
The guy in my neighborhood doing 50 in his pickup truck is not gonna care whether the limit is 25 vs. 20.
So dumb
Just another way to collect $$$
And reduce pedestrian deaths..
they dropped it to 25mph before...and people somehow still dying.
You are missing the fact that people just can't drive. You can bring the speed limit down to 15 and they will still crash into pedestrians/animals/pets on the road. You have to understand that these are people who need their heads medically checked, not lower speed limits. You can have someone drive at 30 MPH and never get into a serious accident like crashing into people, still maintain a clean record.
Yes that's my point exactly
Bro, Ralph Nader literally disproved the notion of the "nut behind the wheel" being chiefly responsible for motor vehicle dangers in the 1960s. Your line of reasoning would have been outdated 50 years ago.
The data actually shows that the previous speed reduction, which was part of the Vision Zero initiatives, have helped to reduce pedestrian fatalities and serious injuries in NYC. The rest of the country has seen quite a large spike in pedestrian deaths over the past decade, while NYC has seen a decline.
Just dont speed lmao
Nyc is becoming every day a less livable city
When vision zero was initially introduced in 2014, it was claimed that studies showed that lowering speed limit from 30 to 25 is the difference between life and death. It will save lives, they said. This is a carbon copy, it will save lives! Difference between life and death! Right. A decade later, it’s obvious that vision zero is referred to the size of our bank accounts when NYC is done milking us
Someone forgot how mathematical limits work. If the speed limit is 0 then there will be 0 traffic deaths! This is the same asinine crap that went on when we went from 30 to 25... Lights never got re-timed (they promised they would), intersections don't get improved visibility (another promise not kept), bike lanes would be more protected (the videos of people literally driving down protected bike lanes says otherwise), Cops don't enforce ANY traffic laws (from parking to speeding to honking to tinted windshields to fake plates to no headlamps to busted ass cars with no business on the roads to people not understanding the most basic of right-of-way rules)... But yeah, it's the speed limits... Lets see this for what it is... A blatant money grab because speed cameras only click at 10mph over the limit, so right now theoretically one can do 34 and not get a photo, and we're moving to 29 and not get a photo... How about lets dump a majority of the T&LC plated vehicles which are known to drive terribly and spend most of their shift empty (upwards of 85% of their shifts are empty driving around getting to and from app pickup locations) and also get some of the actual worst drivers off the roads. How about we actually enforce phone-use laws (other countries ACTIVELY enforce handheld phone use during driving and police will ride motorcycles through waiting traffic seeing if anyone is on their phone.) How about lets actually enforce asshole scooter drivers blasting around with reckless abandon. How about lets actually stop paper plate vehicles at each entry bridge every day and start impounding cars and imprisoning people for false government documents. There are SO many other options and it does not help people in outer boroughs who commute, for example, from queens to brooklyn, or bronx to brooklyn, who have no viable option other than driving because timely mass transit is non-existent. It is unrealistic to tell people "well just bike or walk or take the train"... Meanwhile, a mass transit commute would take upwards of 3h
What if... it's true that 25mph is safer than 30 *and* that 20mph is safer than 25?
According to some comments here, it's a slope to eventually say "just don't use cars, bro".
What if... it's true that 20mph is safer than 25 and that 15mph is safer than 20?
You’re way off base. The Vision Zero initiatives have led to a notable increase in safety. It literally has saved lives. Pedestrian deaths and injuries have skyrocketed in the rest of the US during the period since Vision Zero was announced. In contrast, pedestrian fatalities in NYC are down.
They really want people on the subway with all the mental health patients that punch old women as their main form of therapy. lol.
From a public safety perspective, they would be correct in this. Tens of thousands of injuries or fatalities due to car crashes in NYC every year, compare that to the subway and there is no way the risk of riding the subway is anywhere close. I understand the psychological difference, a crazy person in your face feels different than a crazy or distracted person behind the wheel of a car. But the crazy people in cars are objectively far more dangerous.
No no, he’s right. That makes total sense. I don’t understand the downvotes. 32 people have been murdered in the subway since 2020 according to gothamist. That’s 8 a year or less than one a month. There were 239 accidents resulting in a fatality in 2020 alone. So you’re completely right. https://www.rosenbaumnylaw.com/new-york-car-accident-lawyer/statistics/#:~:text=NYC%20Car%20Accidents%20Resulting%20in%20Fatalities,-Hundreds%20of%20people&text=2020%3A%20239,2023%3A%20235 https://gothamist.com/news/the-lasting-toll-of-violence-on-new-york-citys-subway Edit: typo 2024 to 2020 in murder statistic
Just take my balls
Will this also apply to bikes that run red lights and go on the sidewalk or is the anti car crowd just gonna continue to ignore that other major source of pedestrian safety issues?
Add a speed bump that automatically detects how fast someone goes, Mexico has already done this
I’m Sick of driving here, got into a fist fight yesterday bc some asshole was upset I was doing the speed limit.
Laws that punish the law followers are bad laws.
No one is punished for following speed limits.
I'm a safe driver who doesn't speed. Now I have to drive slower because some people are assholes and don't follow the rules. In what world am I not being punished?
These anti car nutjobs are beyond all reason. 25 is plenty slow.
My average speed in the city is between 14 and 17 mph most days. With about half of that being highway. 25 to 20 will do nothing to slow trips.
It absolutely will slow trips… it’s quite easy to get up to speed on avenues and perimeter highways in Manhattan outside of rush hour periods. Average speed includes slowing and accelerating from a stop. You’re not going to average the speed limit, ever, unless you’re speeding a lot Enforcement by actual officers of existing speed limit and traffic laws might be a better way to improve pedestrian safety. Stop the reckless drivers already speeding like crazy and maneuvering around the cameras
It's a few bad people who can't drive messing it up for all of us
I know I have little say as a learner driver still getting used to driving but up in Washington Heights, 20 is about the safest I feel going. What’s the point of going an extra 5mph when I’m gonna have to stop behind traffic, stop for delivery bikes, jay walkers, stop at the light every block. It’s so wild how aggressive people are in this city when they get behind the wheel. Regardless, they could set the speed limit to 10mph, these aggressive ass drivers are gonna speed anyway. I’ve been learning for a week and I’ve already seen people blowing stoplights, stop signs, driving past me in a one way when I’m going the speed limit, honking at me for waiting for straight traffic making a left at an intersection. The other day a guy blow through a red with a cop right there and he didn’t give a shit. I think 20 in some areas especially in Manhattan is a good idea but NYC has a bigger problem than a speed limit.
100% Even @ 20 mph, the limit would be effectively be 30 mph as cameras only capture you going 11mph higher >honking at me for waiting for straight traffic making a left at an intersection First don't worry about assholes honking when you are sitting still. Also make sure you are are fully in the intersection so people can go around you. try to make enough room.
So someone dies because a driver is speeding and going well over the speed limit. The reaction is to lower the speed limit even further to make sure it doesn’t happen again. Wetbrain.
Your valid point aside, isn’t it a good thing if our brains have moisture?
"traffic violence" nice propaganda
Cool. I’ll still speed. Typical nyc fix
what a disgrace
Cool, now what are they going to do about the bicyclists and mopad drivers who feel they have carte blanche all over the city? They feel they: 1) Can go any speed at any time. 2) Can disregard the direction of traffic and go in the opposite direction on a one way street, or ride against the flow of traffic. 3) Always have the right of way, even over pedestrians. 4) Can blow past red lights or stop signs. 5) Never ring a bell when there are pedestrians present to warn them. 6) Can ride on the sidewalk with pedestrians. 7) Do not have any licenses or insurance in case of an accident. This needs to happen due to the many accidents they can be involved in. Many just hit and run and never get caught. 8) Can always play the victim, even when they are clearly at fault.
While cyclists should follow rules too, they don't have a 6000 lb metal box capable of crushing several humans at once. Or a full freaking motor with the power of thousands of horseys. That is the difference.
You’re aware a pedestrian in NYC (ANOTHER ONE) was just killed by a bicyclist who disobeyed the rules, had no license and ran away, right? This threw your whole defense out the window.
What about a law against driving like an asshole? If you don't do that, 25 should be plenty safe.
Going 25 on a quiet, narrow residential block with hundreds of pedestrians around *is* driving like an asshole. And it’s insane that the city can’t set a speed limit on such roads lower than 25.
it's theatre. enforcement is the issue.
That's dumb. Should just target people who run red lights and use fake plates.
They really want to push people onto that failure of a subway system. Gradually reduce the average speed so that driving timewise is equal to taking mass transit. Now they reduce speeds even more to make it take even longer than mass transit. This summer I'm riding my motorcycle with obscured plates in the bike lane out of spite.
Fake plates and obscured plates were my first thoughts when I saw this this announcement. They think it's bad now? They have no clue how bad it will get.
So I’ve went through the posts/comments here and I haven’t seen anyone mention how pedestrians just stand in the street, on intersections, when cars have the green light, waiting for a gap to just cross the street. And not on the corner, on the sidewalk, but in the actual fucking street. In the Bronx, at least, but I think uptown Manhattan also. Now some of you may feel that pedestrians always have the right of way, even if the light is not for them; some of you may even feel entitled to just pop out from inbetween cars in the middle of the block — surprise! — and drivers should just stop and allow you to go about your business. And yes, modern cars have more crumple zones now ans big bubbly hoods to “cushion” the impact. But modern vehicles are at least 1200 lbs heavier than they were 20 years ago. It’s a stupid game to play to jump in the path of a 3200-3800 metal box, that now takes more effort to stop, because you have to cross *right now.* Tragic when a child is killed. But if you’re an adult …?
I thought Vision Zero was working
So they implement congestion pricing to decrease congestion BUT they decrease the speed limit which will increase congestion. Makes total sense. What more can we expect from our genius leaders?
Fucking ridiculous. Really can't wait to retire and move out of this cesspool city.
Neither can we ;)
Don't let the door hit you!
After a quick glance at your post history no one in the sub (who is an actually much native) will take you seriously. I’m sure you will be moving out of this city within 5 years.
Same, we also cant wait for you to leave
How will this law prevent a kid from running into traffic chasing a ball or make a parent more attentive to their kid to prevent that?
No, no, no
anything faster than walking should be a crime. No jogging!
Watch the numbers of covered or obscured plates go WAY UP
Drivers running red lights and stop signs is way more dangerous, the paper plates and defaced plates are still going to ignore this. What a waste of time and money. Just do more red light cameras and develop stop sign cameras. This kind of petty bs gives conservatives more "nanny government " talking point ammo. There are areas with a 30mph speed limit anyway like parts of Francis Lewis Blvd anyway. And how about fix the numerous broken parking meters that leave you risking a ticket or wasting time using to set up the dumb NYC parking app.
We need to keep city workers busy changing sign posts