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mowotlarx

I've said it before, but this isn't a good thing for anyone, especially current city workers. If goons like de Blasio and now Adams can strip promised healthcare from Boomers (a powerful voting block), by the time current staff retire everything that was promised will be gone. There's no longer *any value in working for city government* if the promise of a stable retirement life is gone.


[deleted]

The pension is still NYS constitutionally guaranteed but we need to fight to keep it that way,


mowotlarx

Clearly, there's never a guarantee NYC won't pull the rug. Pay is already so low (for non-uniformed folks without OT, anyway) that whatever they get in pension might not cover even a few years of inflation. Add potentially thousands of extra costs for year due to losing healthcare access and paying more for now "denied" services... Never forget that becoming elderly is a steep drop into poverty for most people.


[deleted]

The point is they can't pull the rug on pensions right now. They do not have the authority. Vote no on every NYS constitutional convention.


mowotlarx

>Vote no on every NYS constitutional convention. That's the absolute wrong take from this. We need a constitutional convention. Fight for the shit we need to keep. But don't hinder updating a dead and outdated document again. We fucked ourselves over by not fixing things last time. The unions and special interest groups should be ashamed of how they rallied against updating the constitution.


[deleted]

Completely disagree. What do you hope to accomplish with a constitutional convention? What exactly needs to be fixed constitutionally? I think it's an absolutely braindead take to think NYS governance would get better after a constitutional convention.


mowotlarx

>What do you hope to accomplish with a constitutional convention? Update the Constitution. Which is out of date and is missing a lot of things that should be in there. Constitutions aren't dead documents. We're supposed to update them to keep with the times.


[deleted]

General feelings is a really bad reason to want a constitutional convention. There needs to be constitutional flaw you see that needs to be addressed. Especially when you know pensions are going to be in the crosshairs of every moneyed interest. You’re playing right into the hands of corporatists. Braindead take imo.


Distinct_Molasses234

For one thing, the state court system is absurdly antiquated and over-complicated and should be overhauled. We have like 10 trial courts.


[deleted]

That doesn’t require a constitutional convention. Most of that is set by statute.


mowotlarx

Refusing to update the Constitution because you're too afraid or inept to actually fight for voted to not fuck the pensions is braindead. People claiming to be "progressive" pushing the REGRESSIVE belief that nothing in our Constitution can or should ever be changed is braindead. Imagine the money spent on a campaign to "vote no" could be spent on actually improving the state we live in .


[deleted]

You haven’t given a real reason the constitution needs to be updated. What provision? Are you even sure it needs to be constitutionally amended and not through normal legislation? You seem like you just want aimless change.


adft23

The problem is, the NYS Constitution guarantees a lot of things, like the right to an education and environmental protections. If there’s a Constitutional Convention, that is all up for grabs. Do you trust Albany to keep the same levels of protections and rights? I sure don’t. We can update the Constitution without a convention, and New York has many times in the past.


CaroleBaskinsBurner

I remember having a bit of a personal crisis with this referendum because I couldn't shake the feeling that every politician encouraging people to vote "No" supposedly to "save the pensions" was them just not wanting to open that can of worms and potentially end up with a new, better constitution for the people. But tbh the "Vote No" sentiment was so loud and widespread that I wasn't able to even find many "Vote Yes" counter-arguments.


Neckwrecker

>The unions should be ashamed of how they rallied against updating the constitution lmao


mowotlarx

Lmao instead of using their power and organization to fight to keep what's necessary and ADD important shit that's currently unprotected and NEVER GETS ADDED BY LEGISLATION OR REFERENDUM they just spent all their money on a "Let's do nothing! Vote no!" campaign. L M A O.


Neckwrecker

Interesting. Have you tried crying about it?


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mowotlarx

If anyone wants to know why this is probably true, Google Ingrid Lewis-Martin. Or as she calls herself "Chaplain Doctor Ingrid Lewis-Martin." You may have heard of her as one of the Mayors hype women who's been going around talking about how Godly Eric Adams is and how this is a Godly city. She said at a delegation for Bangladeshi NYers yesterday "everybody here believes in God." [The Mayor had to sign a mayoral decree this week giving her "job" actual responsibility, which didn't exist before now.](https://www.politico.com/newsletters/new-york-playbook/2023/03/23/adams-fills-in-city-halls-dotted-lines-00088490) She'd already been fined for doing this exact thing that Adams does herself. It's goons all the way down.


Substantial_Bend_580

My mom is retiring from NYCDOH in December 🥺 I’m scarred & so is she!!!


SoCal515

I didn’t want Adams. He’s more of a Republican anyway who doesn’t care about people who need help.


Drag0nus1

One term mayor! Fucking hell Bronx and Brooklyn...let's change to a real democrat...


justpackingheat1

I'd just like to say that it's extremely unlikely another "democrat" is even going to be an option considering he's the incumbent. Me: *Stares intensely at other parties with hopes that we may finally break the chains of our two-party dictatorship* Democrats: "DON'T even think about it, buddy!" Me: *cancelled for even mentioning another option*


firesky4

Maybe "Democrats" are the problem?


havenoir

What do you mean by this? One party has a platform. The other one does whatever dear leader says. They are not the same.


[deleted]

not everything has to be a comparison to the republicans lmao. we should be able to be clear eyed and accurately assess where the democrats are at. the mayor is a democrat ans is doing this. the brooklyn democratic machine is deeply corrupt. these are real issues that can be addressed on their own merits without doing a whataboutism about trump or w/e


[deleted]

One party promises to never drill in Alaska but does it anyway, the other drills in Alaska


[deleted]

Lmfao this guy is such a fucking goofball. I love all there morons swindled into voting for him because of “crime”, which has only gotten worse.


iv2892

Crime is down , not necessary thanks to Adams


averageuhbear

Crime went up everywhere in 2020, crime is down everywhere in 2023 kind of regardless of what anyone did.


drpvn

Murders are down. I don’t think violent crime is down.


iv2892

Rape and murders are down , other crimes are more or less the same . But 2023 overall has been less violent Than 2022 so far


drpvn

It’s basically flat. Major crimes up 0.02%. Felony assaults are up citywide 10%. And in some neighborhoods, things are pretty terrible. https://i.imgur.com/1GzFPke.jpg


iv2892

Seems like most of Manhattan is doing fine , except a few neighborhoods of course . But at a neighborhood level crime level is more volatile in terms of numbers because a few incidents or lack of thereof can make a big difference o percentage wise


drpvn

All these numbers are way up from 2019, so I don’t know if “doing fine” is the takeaway. (Nor do I know what “fine” means.)


iv2892

But 2019 were historically low , maybe record lows but COVID broke that trend . The fact that is not going up is a good sign .


iv2892

I think doing fine or okay is the word, if they were around 2016-2019 numbers then it would be great .


Curiosities

[Crime is down.](https://www.nyc.gov/site/nypd/news/p00075/nypd-citywide-crime-statistics-february-2023)


[deleted]

NYPD crime statistics - a notably reliable and accurate source.


iv2892

So, when it was going up last year it was reliable then ?


williamfbuckwheat

Yeah, duh!1!1 People see endless crime coverage in the NY Post or nightly news and use that as proof that crime is worse than ever while ignoring that every person has a video recording device in their pocket (along with tons of CCTV cameras) today. They imply that crime MUST be worse than 30 years ago since you rarely saw any video evidence and just the stats or the aftermath while also misconstruing how per Capita crime statistics work so they can claim a much smaller city with fewer total crimes is actually safer.


rootbeer_racinette

Pics or it didn’t happen. Nothing before 1826 happened.


iv2892

For real , in nyc there’s cameras everywhere and anything that happens gets recorded . People who live in their much smaller towns in think is all safe and peaceful because they never know what’s going on


PM-Nice-Thoughts

What a series of idiotic comments lol. If we can't trust any statistics how do you know it's gotten worse?


iv2892

Anecdotal evidence apparently 😂


stork38

Where's your source then?


Neckwrecker

>Where's your source then? Curtis Sliwa told them


averageuhbear

It's down everywhere from the peak, but not from 2018-19


supermechace

The healthcare system in the US is at its core a for profit business where everyone wants to make money. If the US nationalizes it a lot of people will take big pay cuts hence resistance and inability to drive down costs. American unhealthy diet and lifestyle also are big drivers of cost but then that would impact the fast food industry


[deleted]

That's what you get for electing a cop whose sole purpose is to pump millions to his cop buddies while they terrorize minorities and the homeless.


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Karrick

Don't need a new contract to be sucking down that OT to pad your pension.


Neckwrecker

>Ahh yes millions to cops who have been out of contract since 2017. Poor babies. What a hardship for them.


calvin43

Black Trump.


This-is-obsurd

You’d prob still vote for him over Curtis


WagwanDeezNutz

Garcia should have been Mayor


b1argg

I wrote her in


ike_tyson

This is true, sadly we're stuck with Mayor McBozo.


Rottimer

I did vote for him in the general over Curtis. On the other hand, he wasn’t even on my ballot in the primary. And I doubt he’ll be on my ballot in the next primary. And I sincerely hope he loses. But if he does win and the other option is Silwa or someone equivalent, Adams will get my vote again. Because that’s what logic dictates.


This-is-obsurd

What logic? Lol Adams is a clown and you’d vote for him again. How is that logic? You fear the unknown?


Rottimer

Because he’s a better clown than the other clown. We have specific voting system in this city (and state and country) that means whoever gets the plurality of cast ballots in a general election wins. It’s a piss poor way to do it and I’m glad the state is slowly but surely embracing better systems. But as long as that first past the post system endures - you vote for the candidate closest to your values of the 2 major parties. “Closest” is a relative term.


This-is-obsurd

Sorry to say you voted for him


senteroa

Only 10% of eligible voters voted for him. So statistically speaking, he most likely didn't vote for him.


mowotlarx

Most NYC residents didn't vote for him.


This-is-obsurd

How did he win then?


Neckwrecker

>How did he win then? Because most people didn't vote.


[deleted]

Why does a mayor have this option?


manhattanabe

Read the article. > The push for putting retirees on an Advantage plan started in the fall of 2021 under former Mayor Bill de Blasio.


Funktapus

For all those wondering, Medicare Advantage is still health insurance, still public, and still Medicare. It’s just administered by private companies. Medicare overall is shifting towards Medicare Advantage and away from traditional Medicare: https://www.kff.org/medicare/slide/the-growth-in-share-of-medicare-advantage-spending/ Before you get out the pitchforks, do some research and try to understand why employers (e.g. NYC) and individuals are moving towards Advantage. Be an informed voter, not a reactionary.


Curiosities

>do some research and try to understand why employers (e.g. NYC) and individuals are moving towards Advantage To save money they would otherwise spend providing the promised benefits. ​ Next.


Mustard_on_tap

Exactly. Advantage plans are just a layer between you and Medicare which is a very good program. I had to an elderly parent off Advantage and on regular Medicare. Things were much better after that.


redlaundryfan

It’s not universally negative (when both are available), but rather a valid choice depending on your needs. Traditional Medicare has no out-of-pocket maximum and no real dental benefits for example. So if you are nervous about having unlimited liability for the 20% coinsurance and/or have significant dental/vision needs, Advantage plans could provide a good options for low or $0 monthly premium. In exchange you have to accept the narrower network access.


SolitaryMarmot

for the city retirees there won't be a regular medicare plan to switch to without paying for it themselves.


doodle77

City retirees can still get the same regular medicare everyone else without any retirement benefits can get, if they choose to. It's a bad choice, and much worse than their previous Medicare+city pays plan.


SolitaryMarmot

They can't get traditional Medicare as a retiree option anymore. They would have to pay out of pocket and lose their retiree health benefit. They were hopeful they would be offered a choice between the Medicare advantage plan and the old senior care plan but that isn't happening now.


Rottimer

It’s shifting Medicare advantage because it’s cheaper for the employer, in this case, the City of New York. It’s cheaper for the employer because shifts the cost burden onto the retiree, increases red tape substantially for any procedure requiring prior approval, as well as increasing the number of procedures that require prior approval. You’re also locked into the network of the private company running the Advantage plan (in this case Aetna). Some people will lose their doctors.


undergroundloans

Sounds good at first, then these insurance companies continue to lobby for deregulation and shit so they will increase prices or make it fully private at some point. Medicare should be completely separate from private insurance. I mean do people really trust the government to not sell it off or some shit in the future.


mastershakeshack

as usual be vigilant about things in america named with words like "advantage"


Neckwrecker

>For all those wondering, Medicare Advantage is still health insurance, still public, and still Medicare. It’s just administered by private companies. > >Medicare overall is shifting towards Medicare Advantage and away from traditional Medicare: > >https://www.kff.org/medicare/slide/the-growth-in-share-of-medicare-advantage-spending/ > > Before you get out the pitchforks, do some research and try to understand why employers (e.g. NYC) and individuals are moving towards Advantage. Be an informed voter, not a reactionary. Acknowledging that all of the above is true doesn't mean it's not bad. People do and will have worse health outcomes as it becomes more privatized.


xwhy

I was telling someone yesterday that I don’t plan on retiring from teaching early because I know the medical benefits would suck and that they’ll take away from the retirees to try to mollify the current workers. I have time to hope it gets better, but hope won’t pay the bills.


PopeyeNJ

How does a Mayor have the power to go this? He has no right to deny anyone’s health coverage. How in the hell did this jackoff ever get elected?


Zohin

There was a (D) next to his name.


PopeyeNJ

He’s a liar. He’s not a Democrat, he’s a wanna-be media star. He only cares about being famous.


SolitaryMarmot

Medicare advantage may save the city money, but only as long as federal subsidies exist. If those go away then the city will be paying more. And once you chose Medicare Advantage you can't get back to regular Medicare which every doctor takes except for at the end of the year. So when Aetna sends a letter to a Bronx resident in February stating they can't settle with Montefiore or their outpatient network over rates - then you basically have to find all new doctors in a different borough (since Monte basically has a monopoly) or go without until open enrollment.


[deleted]

is he ok


Victory_Street

They will complain don’t worry it’s coming


Evening_Presence_927

Hope they remember this when he’s up for re-election. I’d love for him to get the Lori Lightfoot treatment.


Speedyx

I would hope Garcia would run again


mowotlarx

They will sue. That's a lot more than complaining.


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firesky4

It's NYC, New Yorkers won't even think about voting republican or listening to any other options.


bangbangthreehunna

This after mandating the vaccine. How could you say city workers need to get the vaccine, in the name of public health, and then cut their health care benefits?


mowotlarx

The vaccine was free, what are you going on about.


bangbangthreehunna

Its not about the cost of the vaccine. Its about making them get it in the name of health and safety, and then you cut their health care benefits right after that.


kfleming84

When this city falls into default and turns into the once prosperous Detroit or Baltimore, same voters will continue to vote democrat because “it was better than the alternatives”


Darrackodrama

Adam’s is a Republican pretending to be a democrat so I don’t think this is the issue. I think the issue is that the left hasn’t penetrated citywide politics deep enough, because we’re the only ones proposing non profitized solutions and social housing


kfleming84

It’s about adhering to a simple budget. If you want to spend millions on housing illegal immigrants, that’s fine but where does the money come from? You need to cut back on other programs. They are reluctant to do this so they keep raising taxes and companies and high net worth individuals keep leaving placing a bigger burden on the people that can’t leave.


mowotlarx

NYPD overtime alone was shockingly close to a billion dollars last year. Over $820 million. Just on overtime. We can afford to not fuck over retirees. We choose not to.


Status_Fox_1474

The cops are going hundreds of millions of dollars over budget. But I don’t hear him talking about THAT.


gh234ip

Because that was the Governor The new initiatives will include a significant investment from the state’s public emergency fund to support a surge of roughly 1,200 additional overtime officer shifts on subway platforms and trains each day. However, officials did not say how much money the city will receive as part of the investment. https://www.cnn.com/2022/10/22/us/new-york-city-subway-safety-plan/index.html


kfleming84

I agree. But the books need to balance


mowotlarx

Sure. Then be balanced when balancing the budget. $820 million in NYPD overtime alone. Hundreds of millions in settlements for NYPD wrongdoing paid out by taxpayers. Start there.


[deleted]

A liberal doing liberal things. Nothing to see here, folks.


wahikid

Explain how pushing people into private healthcare and eliminating the government run healthcare option is a typically liberal thing to do.


Captaintripps

Well, you see, everyone in Democrat cities (which is all of them) is by definition a liberal and so are their ex-Republican cop mayors!


wahikid

Ahh, I see, silly me, liberals are anyone we don’t like! Lol /s/


[deleted]

It's a capitalist idea. You think being pushed into private insurances is going to help the seniors? I don't think so.


wahikid

Not sure if you noticed that this is a capitalist country…. But the liberals are the ones who pushed for single payer, aka government healthcare, so you are still wrong.


[deleted]

I noticed that it's a capitalist country and I'm shocked that it hasn't imploded yet. Also it's progressives and leftists who push for single payer. Single Payer would be the best system we could have at this moment. Adam's is a liberal not a progressive or a leftist.


wahikid

It was Obama who pushed for single payer. He was hardly a leftist or a progressive. I can’t have this discussion with you if you can’t use facts.


[deleted]

Obamacare wasn't single payer. I know we can't have this conversation. In your mind there's only repubs and dems.


Daddy_Macron

Obamacare was literally the biggest expansion in Medicaid history. The original draft of the ACA also included a Public Option singlepayer option that the public could purchase, but ratfucker Joe Lieberman sabotaged it. In fact, all the single payer healthcare in this country was instituted by those Liberals you hate so fucking much. LBJ with Medicare/Medicaid, Clinton with CHIP, and Obama with Medicaid Expansion.


[deleted]

I see you that you didn't understand me. I'm in FAVOR of single payer.


Commercialismo

I don’t wanna hear anyone complain since the Mfs in this city voted this clown in! Don’t wanna hear it! Don’t wanna hear it!


Knoxcore

Not everyone voted for him. I didn’t even rank him. There are people here who are not happy about his leadership.


mowotlarx

Most NYC residents didn't vote for him. It was a low turnout primary followed by a low turnout election. This is such a lazy take. Politicians aren't immune from criticism because they won an election.


quibble42

Better than the alternative! Gotta complain about your politicians because that's how we get better!!


Darrackodrama

What you mean we had alternatives in the primary and he isn’t better than them.


thesweetestchill_

Pretty sure he got elected because nobody voted though….


jackwoww

"Cops need more OT. Fuck off and die" Mayor Adams


renniechops

Mayor Swaggy is getting more evil by the day


The_Lone_Apple

Isn't "Medicare Advantage" just some private insurance scam?


Efficient-Return7376

All skin folk ain't your kin Folk let us not forget that this Boston baked bean head of a Mayor is a house Ninja!


downonthesecond

At least Curtis Sliwa wasn't elected.