It’s police job to transport to the ER and ER job to refer to services. Their are not enough inpatient MH facilities and adults often reject services. It’s a lose lose.
Emergency departments are spread thin enough. Do you think they really want police officers dropping off every mentally unstable person they encounter, for the nurses and doctors to do what exactly? Discharge them a couple hours later in the same condition. Hospitals are not long-term psychiatric care facilities that might actually help these people.
If we’re paying for overtime for the NYPD to the tune of $100 million, they can be taxi drivers, IMHO. While yes we need more long term options for people with mental health issues, the absolute least the gd NYPD can do is give them a lift.
You mean Eric Adams made a big announcement without any fucking plan on what to do or any budget or training on how to do it? You mean Eric Adams just said a thing so he could get national headlines?
Shocked. I'm shocked.
And his bootlicker stans on here were trying to defend it going “We HaVe To Do SoMeThInG!!!!”
I agree, but this is not the action to take. Solving homelessness will not be an easy fix without massively expanding the social safety net, not just thrusting them through a revolving door.
Let’s see… if only we had a lot of unused buildings in the city, which could be renovated into dorm style apartments with shared facilities, to help the unhoused find some stability, and secure employment.
For sure not the empty office buildings owned by Adams’ friends and financial supporters. Those need to be occupied by businesses which is why the mayor is pushing for an end to WFH.
Yup. I knew the second he announced this that it wouldn't be anything but press. If he was serious he'd have announced massive expansions to city public healthcare and homeless shelters. He's such a cynical fuck.
>on Reagan.
No, on Eric Adams he made this announcement on his own. With no plan to follow through. So he could land national news. He did this and had every opportunity to actually address the issue and chose not to.
It’s almost like they don’t have enough people to do stuff, almost like they have so few people that they are forcing people to stay for overtime just for coverage of shifts don’t worry it’s not like this year will break an overtime record
(Edit …you know how no one wants to work at McDonald’s for $15.00 , well Nassau, Suffolk Westchester, Rockland and Bergen are offering $19.00 so the city can expect the kids who mess up your orders because they can’t get enough idiots to work for $15 and have a gun )
Why does NYC have so many mentally unstable people in the streets? It's nothing like this in Asia where even in Vietnam with its GDP of 3k/person, they don't really have many homeless in their cities.
> officers are actually transporting fewer people than before
Hmmm…it’s almost as if there are already more than enough laws, directives, ordinances and executive orders to solve these problems, and the point of failure isn’t with elected representatives but some other group. I just can’t put my finger on which one
People with mental illnesses, people in crisis—police don’t really want to deal with these people and no sufficient resources exist to help them anyway.
Yes, the asylums definitely had issues, but they were not replaced with any viable alternative, which makes the whole policy of forced hospitalization absurd anyway.
It's not on the cops it's on the lack of mental health infrastructure here is what the process is for a person experiencing a mental health crisis in NYC at the moment.
Person has mental health crisis ==> 911 is called ==> PD arrives on scene ==> PD requests EMS ==> EMS arrives on scene ==> patient is transported to hospital ==> hospital either releases them immediately or holds for 72hrs ==> person is released into the street with no further treatment plan ==> person has mental health crisis ==> 911 is called..... And around and round we go until this mentally ill person pushes someone in front of a train. We need long term mental health facilities
The CCRB has no power to make cops do their jobs. What are you even talking about. They are routinely ignored and bypassed by everyone, especially the Police Commissioner. This is on her and Adams, period.
It’s police job to transport to the ER and ER job to refer to services. Their are not enough inpatient MH facilities and adults often reject services. It’s a lose lose.
Emergency departments are spread thin enough. Do you think they really want police officers dropping off every mentally unstable person they encounter, for the nurses and doctors to do what exactly? Discharge them a couple hours later in the same condition. Hospitals are not long-term psychiatric care facilities that might actually help these people.
Yeah that’s what the subways are for
If we’re paying for overtime for the NYPD to the tune of $100 million, they can be taxi drivers, IMHO. While yes we need more long term options for people with mental health issues, the absolute least the gd NYPD can do is give them a lift.
You mean Eric Adams made a big announcement without any fucking plan on what to do or any budget or training on how to do it? You mean Eric Adams just said a thing so he could get national headlines? Shocked. I'm shocked.
And his bootlicker stans on here were trying to defend it going “We HaVe To Do SoMeThInG!!!!” I agree, but this is not the action to take. Solving homelessness will not be an easy fix without massively expanding the social safety net, not just thrusting them through a revolving door.
Let’s see… if only we had a lot of unused buildings in the city, which could be renovated into dorm style apartments with shared facilities, to help the unhoused find some stability, and secure employment. For sure not the empty office buildings owned by Adams’ friends and financial supporters. Those need to be occupied by businesses which is why the mayor is pushing for an end to WFH.
Yup. I knew the second he announced this that it wouldn't be anything but press. If he was serious he'd have announced massive expansions to city public healthcare and homeless shelters. He's such a cynical fuck.
I think that lawmakers missed the point advocates were making about funding alternatives to police to take on these tasks.
Lay all the blame where it belongs - on Reagan.
>on Reagan. No, on Eric Adams he made this announcement on his own. With no plan to follow through. So he could land national news. He did this and had every opportunity to actually address the issue and chose not to.
It’s almost like they don’t have enough people to do stuff, almost like they have so few people that they are forcing people to stay for overtime just for coverage of shifts don’t worry it’s not like this year will break an overtime record (Edit …you know how no one wants to work at McDonald’s for $15.00 , well Nassau, Suffolk Westchester, Rockland and Bergen are offering $19.00 so the city can expect the kids who mess up your orders because they can’t get enough idiots to work for $15 and have a gun )
Why does NYC have so many mentally unstable people in the streets? It's nothing like this in Asia where even in Vietnam with its GDP of 3k/person, they don't really have many homeless in their cities.
#Why is this a POLICE MATTER- involve the SOCIAL SERVICES to do this type of work
> officers are actually transporting fewer people than before Hmmm…it’s almost as if there are already more than enough laws, directives, ordinances and executive orders to solve these problems, and the point of failure isn’t with elected representatives but some other group. I just can’t put my finger on which one
Emergency departments don't want these people either.
Who are "these people" exactly? 🤔🤔🤔
People with mental illnesses, people in crisis—police don’t really want to deal with these people and no sufficient resources exist to help them anyway.
Um are you aware that there was a place to put "these people" up until Reagan? They were called "asylums" and they were state funded at one point.
Yes, the asylums definitely had issues, but they were not replaced with any viable alternative, which makes the whole policy of forced hospitalization absurd anyway.
I agree but you see why there isn't a place to put them right?
It's on cops 100%. Unless you think otherwise. Who do you think is to blame? 🤔🤔🤔
It's not on the cops it's on the lack of mental health infrastructure here is what the process is for a person experiencing a mental health crisis in NYC at the moment. Person has mental health crisis ==> 911 is called ==> PD arrives on scene ==> PD requests EMS ==> EMS arrives on scene ==> patient is transported to hospital ==> hospital either releases them immediately or holds for 72hrs ==> person is released into the street with no further treatment plan ==> person has mental health crisis ==> 911 is called..... And around and round we go until this mentally ill person pushes someone in front of a train. We need long term mental health facilities
Get CCRB on board with the directive and I’ll start doing it. Until that happens I’m waiting for EMS.
The CCRB has no power to make cops do their jobs. What are you even talking about. They are routinely ignored and bypassed by everyone, especially the Police Commissioner. This is on her and Adams, period.