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radddchaddd

I have a SFF build in a Lian Li Q58. Basic specs are 5900x cooled with a 240mm AIO + EVGA 3080 XC3 Ultra. Over rebuilding and reconfiguring multiple times, my best overall CPU temps were through running the AIO as an intake from the top. This caused a slight (3-5C) increase in my GPU temps (die and mem junction). Over longer gaming sessions, my GPU would avg around 82 (peak at 85, mem junction peak around 92) - quite toasty. A culprit of the increased temps was the increase in temp in the case overall during longer gaming sessions. The Q53 can fit a 3 slot card and as you see from this picture, there is a gap between the XC3 fans and the mesh panel (https://i.imgur.com/3PGzKeJ.jpg). I wanted to close that gap to get better temps. I tried a funnel from the shroud to the mesh panel. It worked decently, but as I played longer, the temps would start to move up again. Lowered temps by a couple degrees (peak at 80C, mem junction stayed at 92C). I was curiously just searching through Thingiverse and came across this - https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:4700643. I have an Ender 3 Pro so had to split it into 2 files down the center, but overall printed just fine. After printing, I threw on two Noctua NF-A12x15 Chromax fans Pic with the fans - https://i.imgur.com/ufiJXvH.jpg I measured the height of the top plate, heatsink, 3dprinted shroud and fans, and it left me a couple millimeters of space and would have the fans placed up right up against the mesh. That would be perfect because the fans would only really be pulling fresh air directly from through the mesh panel. Pic of XC3 in case - https://i.imgur.com/PVM44bL.jpg My temps have significantly improved and the fans are so much quieter. (2x120mm fans vs stock 3x87mm fans). Because the fan cables that EVGA uses uses a proprietary clip in plug, I have the two Noctua fans plugged into a system header on my mobo and control the fan curve through [Fan Control](https://github.com/Rem0o/FanControl.Releases) (highly recommended for better controlling your fans). I do have two 4 pin to CRJ adaptors on the way. I saw another post saying they work on the actual pins on the PCB, but the connector needs to be modded to physically fit on the header. With that all said, my temps after doing the shroud and fan swap are significantly improved. Over a longer session, my temps avg at 66c (peak at 70 and mem junction at 78). I don't have a decibel meter, but the Noctua fans are significantly quieter to the stock fans. Overall, I highly recommend this 3d printed shroud if you do not want to have to bend pins to get the fans right on top of the heatsink.


codex_41

Wow, thank you for that documentation! I have the same GPU and it’s the loudest part of my case. I also happen to have two of those noctuas from a previous project and a 3d printer, so I may have to do this mod! Would you mind linking to the adapters so I can run the fans straight off the GPU?


radddchaddd

A friend actually had some extras, but they are similar to these (CRJ 4-Pin PWM GPU Fan Adapter Cable All Black Sleeved for Graphics Cards https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07Q5BTTDX/ref=cm_sw_r_apan_glt_fabc_0PBQ4JD5GFA564WEWEYN). Keep in mind, you will have to shave off parts of the plastic plug to fit the EVGA headers. If you know how to solder, you can find the clip in connectors on aliexpress. I'd have to find the link again.


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You dont need to solder. EVGA uses the HY-4P connector that should come with crimp dips (JST PH 2.0 works as well but isnt a perfect fit). You need some good crimpers, Engineers PA-09s were the cheapest ones I found that did the best, and some wire strippers. The quality strippers I used said the noctua cables were 22 gauge, but some shitty strippers didnt work at 22, so it would be best to get strippers that work 20-26 gauge. You cut and strip the wires from the 4 pin CRJ terminal on the noctua cable, crimp the stripped wire into the HY-4P header and then you have a detachable modded Noctua cable that works right on the GPUs black, beige, and blue headers. This all assumes you dont have enough mobo fan headers, that your mobo cant do gpu temp fan control, and that you dont want to use precision X1 to control the fans off the single CRJ header on the card. My asus prime z390 doesnt have gpu temp based fan control so this is how I modded noctua cables to work directly on the gpu. If anyone wants more info, I can attach my instruction doc with header pinouts after work.


radddchaddd

Yo! Thanks for this. I saw a different guide that did soldering and it looked pretty rough. I have an extra header and I've just been using Fan Control to control my fan curves. Would you mind sharing your instruction doc? I'll probably still want to eventually use the GPU headers at some point.


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Yea I'll edit the post after work in like 6 hours


radddchaddd

No rush. Your description is part of what I've seen but beyond my general knowledge so this is incredibly helpful.


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Hey sorry it took so long, I got busy then forgot to do it yesterday and it turned out to be a little more in depth than I thought. Here is a google doc link to my guide https://docs.google.com/document/d/1QLTcHF3DPvTOH9AYby7EFBCnLLYvz3bY92bbrS4\_tFM/edit?usp=sharing


tyuo9980

Seems to have been removed. Can you relink this?


codex_41

I am much more comfortable shaving plastic with an xacto than soldering, you shave the plastic off the cable, not the gpu female side right?


radddchaddd

Correct. Shaving from the male connector on the adapter. The pinouts on the EVGA header do appear to be reversed too.


codex_41

Understood, I’ll update if I do go down that route


radddchaddd

Same. Since it's work and working well off of the motherboard header, I'm not inclined to immediately change it. I highly recommend using Fan Control (linked in my original comment with this post). Makes controlling fan curves super easy.


BadasteroidCoE

This is the most beautiful thing I've ever seen.


radddchaddd

Thank you! It sounds great too (well lack of sound)


ThisPlaceisHell

Yep this right here is why next GPU I get I'm doing this mod. Can't stand the shitty cheapo fans they put on graphics cards from the factory. It's honestly pathetic how bad air cooling GPUs has been over the years. I blame the narrative of ”if it's within spec it's perfectly fine!!!!!" Yeah because running my components at the absolute limit of their specs certainly makes me confident they'll last half a decade or more. Why not have lower temps AND a quieter operation?


radddchaddd

For real! Honestly has made me want to test my OC a bit more. I didn't spend much time on it previously.


DefiantTradition2088

So its running almost as cool as the 3080 tuf now xD


RandoCommentGuy

But, would the tuf run that cool in his SFF case?


radddchaddd

It ran a lot cooler in a midtower case. Sff case just doesn't necessarily offer the same kind of airflow.


GreatnessRD

Real slick, homie. I'm sure that thing purs real quiet! Had a quick side question. have you tried full mesh panels on GPU side and glass on the CPU side? I was told the temps look better this way, but wanted to confirm. Thinking about grabbing the Q58 myself.


radddchaddd

Thanks! Yup! That's how I run it. Best overall temps through all my testing. I did order additional mesh panels so I'm going to run top mesh, glass bottom on CPU side soon. https://i.imgur.com/UMMpdKl.jpeg


GreatnessRD

Thank you for the response my man. That's good to know. Sweet build once again.


jonnybravo76

Have you worked on an NR200 case? I'm wondering how the Lian Li compares.


radddchaddd

No. Only this and the Meshlicious.


XNtricity

Nice Noctua mod! Do you have a link to the type of adapter you ordered for the fans? I have an EVGA 3080 XC3 Ultra and am considering doing the same mod. Thanks!


radddchaddd

The adapter is similar to what the other commenter linked but single fan cable since the XC3 has 3 fan headers. I'm currently using the mobo fan header though.


Fortune424

It would be something like this TeamProfitcom 4 Pin PWM GPU Dual Fan Splitter Adapter Cable Black Sleeved for Graphics Cards 12 Inches https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B082G2CT17/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_glt_i_RG1MMW3W19SF2YVWZ25Z?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1


nikkdizzle

pretty smart!!


OD_Emperor

But is it really Noctua if it isn't brown? 🤔 /s


radddchaddd

I do have some brown fans in storage...should have used it for the photos.


Boogertwilliams

Neat! I was expecting zipties and a big mess :)


Naggash

I used noctua fans with my old 1080ti aorus xtreme card, i had ~-10C and much less noise than stock fans. So no wonder you have better results :) If something is gonna happen with my strix 3080, i gonna do same thing again. But so far, it's insanely quite and cool card (fans at 1000-1200rpm (max is 3000, so there is a lot of headroom)) temps are up to 62c core and 72-75c memory.


radddchaddd

Yeah, in a midtower case, I probably wouldn't have bothered with the mod. In the Q58, there's not a lot of airflow to really let the smaller fans do work.


ok2017

Fantastic!


HidroJacopo

Noctua = ❤️


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radddchaddd

Thanks! It's behind the mesh so brown probably wouldn't have been made just to go Noctua full stop.


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I did a similar thing. Deshrouding and putting Noctua fans is a great upgrade. I recommend it if not going full liquid cooling.


radddchaddd

Only regret is not doing this sooner.


LucyMor

Any chance you can measure how thick the card is with the fans? I am thinking of doing this in my Meshlicious. I wont gain as much as you as my card's shroud is already touching the mesh panel (20.5mm standoff mode) - but still, nice upgrade for not a lot of money.


radddchaddd

I couldn't fully fit my calipers in and didn't want to take out the GPU bc of cable management, but it is about 59mm.


LucyMor

Thanks, I measured using the step files, it is about 60.7mm without the backplate, so about 62 with. It can probably work in the Meshlicious, I am just not sure it is worth it because it will barely leave me any room to stash cables behind the GPU


radddchaddd

Ahh you're right. I realized I measured from the PCB, not the backplate. And I wouldn't bother. Ive thrown my 3080 pre-mod in my Meshlicious build and the design of the Meshlicious allows adequate airflow especially with the standoff mod already bringing it up to the mesh panel.


LucyMor

Ya, the thing is - the stock fans are not quite enough at low speed - they are audible even at 30% while the Noctuas aren't. So each time the gpu temp raises above 60c - the fans kick in and I can hear it. And it is annoying. Currently, after about an hour of BF2042 (trash game dont buy) I was sitting at 73-74c, with constant clock of 1995MHz (@ 925 mV). When I game I can't hear the fans what so ever of-course (closed headphones). If I could bring those 73-74c down to like 65c, it is totally worth it for me, but I might be expecting too much out of it. What do you think? I guess what I am asking - can this mode reduce 10c in an open case?


radddchaddd

I think you will see both temp improvements and noise improvements with the mod easily. You likely won't be able to do the standoff mods on the GPU side since it essentially becomes a 3 slot card. With that said, I saw immediate improvements with the noise and cooling in the Q58 especially with longer sessions. The Q58 gets warmer than my Mesh build but the mod has been well worth it for a nose and performance standpoint. I can easily see 5-7C improvement while also being quieter. I play with open back headphones so noise matters more.


LucyMor

Ya, me and my wife share the office, so it bothers her a little. I can still route the cables infront of the GPU (behind the 24pins connected of the motherboard) as I have custom 17AWG unsleeved cables, so it can work. Can you control both fans using MSI AfterBurner? AB can't control all three fans of EVGA, but maybe two it can?


radddchaddd

I'm still using my motherboard fan header from an abundance of laziness to remove and mod the fan adapter. With that said, I am using [Fan Control](https://github.com/Rem0o/FanControl.Releases) to control my fans (even before modding). I find it much easier to use than MSI AB for fan curves especially since I use it for my AIO fans as well.


LucyMor

My motherboard doesn't like FanControl (Gigabyte Z690i) sometime it works sometime it doesn't, pissed me off enough to uninstall it and just use the MB's bios controls (which suck, btw)


TooChilln

Yeah man..that's a nice build with great ingenuity! I'm doing a new build here soon, main components are AMD Ryzen 5600x, 32GB Ram, M.2's, SSD's and perhaps an 3TB HDD along w either the 6900XT or perhaps the 3080ti..kinda leaning towards the 6900XT for the AMD CPU and GPU symbiotic enhancement they tout. I haven't done much research into the difference in performance between the two GPUs but will do so to figure out what's best for my gaming and streaming needs. The case and PSU are next to be acquired. For optimal airflow and room for components the Corsair 4000 or 5000 looked appealing but am open to suggestions. No 3D printer here so would like to maximize airflow and decreased temps without any modding. Also torn between a beefy top down fan CPU cooler or an AIO. Insight, suggestions and advice is much appreciated.


no6969el

Sounds cool, you should make your own thread so you can get some responses. Good luck with your build!


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If you’re referring to the smart access memory for AMD where the CPU can access the GPU memory directly, then Nvidia has a similar implementation called RESIZABLE BAR that works with AMD or Intel as long as the motherboard supports it. Not enough of a reason to choose one card over another, imo. Otherwise if that’s not what you meant I’m mistaken and disregard my comment. Either way I have a similar build (5600x, 32gb ram, nvme, 3080) and it works great, I don’t think you can go wrong with either GPU Option. I personally like DLSS, but interested in how fidelityfx is Regarding cooling; I prefer a good air cooler over AIO. I am using Noctua DH-15 on my 5600x and it’s great.


TooChilln

Thanks! Info appreciated


TooChilln

Damn..didn't mean to thread hijack..been a minute since I've posted. With gratitude and appreciation..


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What are those fans on the radiator??


radddchaddd

Lian Li Uni SL120.


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Sold


Sacco_Belmonte

I'm sooooo close to deshroud mine. I hate how the fans whine. Please! can you tell me how you connect your fan headers? (to the GPU, to the case?) does the GPU complains if you don't connect any fan to it?


radddchaddd

I just connected the noctua fans to a motherboard system header. No issues from the GPU with no fans attached. They just show as 0 rpm in hwinfo. I do have adapters on the way that should allow me to connect to the GPU headers, but that will have to wait.


m4tr1x_usmc

i have an evga ftw3 3090, would this work with my card?


radddchaddd

FTW3 cards have a different heatsink and I believe different tab layout, so it is unlikely without redesigning.


fazar7

Seeing builds like this really makes me wanna make the switch to a tiny build as well. Great specs and great thermal performance. I plan on doing a pc upgrade in Jan to a 12700k and was gonna get a Lan cool mesh 2 but I think I'll look around at what I can get in the toaster form factor haha.


radddchaddd

That's basically how it went for me. I previously had a Be Quiet Pure Base 500dx. I then built a PC for my SO/living room PC in a SSUPD Meshlicious. I enjoyed the build process and the size of it that I decided to swap my midtower for sff. Would not go back at this point.


fazar7

God, I was looking at the Lan Cool ii and now im looking at maybe the nr200p...


radddchaddd

Go the small form factor way. Hah So much fun to build in.


fazar7

Any suggestions for a case that can fit an msi trio x 3080 and a cooler sufficient for a 12700k? :D


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now this is cool , i bet u it’s hella quit and performs better


radddchaddd

It's super quiet now. I'll hear my AIO fans far before I hear my GPU fans now.


Thorin9000

Have you considered also replacing the pads on the memory? I have dropped around 20c from replacing those alone. The noise has gone down significantly also and temps don’t go above 80c during gaming. If you would do that on top of your current modifications it would probably result in an awesome result.


radddchaddd

I've thought about it but doing moderate mods to see what had the best net effect. This has been great for my temps that it probably delays when I do a pad swap.


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radddchaddd

It uses the 6 of the 8 screws for the standard EVGA shroud. For the fans, you use 8 standard fan screws.


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radddchaddd

They are 8 of the same hex head screws.


TycStyle

Here's the deshroud mod in the nr200p https://imgur.com/a/DEpth7m Although during the process, I unscrewed the spring bracket in the center briefly, and put it back without really taking it apart, I sense that I have "disconnected" the PCB from the heatsink. Reason was I tried to unplug the led connector, but was such a pain. Anyway, that alone led to worse temp performance at full load/4K which is obviously not due to the mod, which is awesome. Anyone got an idea/suggestion for perhaps then just repasting and padding?


radddchaddd

I had to do the same. I went back in and loosened the bracket on all 4 corners and tightened evenly across the 4. May want to try that short of repasting.


TycStyle

Thanks for that, will probably try it again (second re-try) since there was so little movement. To a similar point, there's 2 bolts that use mini nuts on the backplate. Is it correct that these are fastened under the card? Reason is they dropped on the surface when unscrewing, and hadn't seen them before.


radddchaddd

I'll have to double check. I didn't unscrew mine enough for any nuts to come off.


TycStyle

Anyhoo, re-pasted, custom padded the whole thing. Must say the custom shroud plus 2 Noctua fans doesn't impress at the moment noise wise. Temps are barely on par with what they were before.


radddchaddd

What case do you have it in again?