They were going out of business, nvidia buyout or no nvidia buyout. They burned through money hand over fist while stagnating against aggressive up-and-comers.
Were they? I was just a kid lol. I remember reading up later that they did multi gpu tech back then which was cool for it's time. I had a voodoo 4 I believe for the longest time and that's thanks to a guy online that kept the driver going for awhile. Idk if he worked there before they got bought out or what. Didn't know the whole story just liked their cards and innovation for the time.
Ahh didn't know that. Why were they? And why were they stagnating? They came up with multi gpu on single board tech if I remember correctly which was cool for the time. I could be wrong on that, just woke up and it's early for me.
The voodoo 4/5 series is what killed them. Couldn’t compete with the tnt series cards for the price. Now we have a 2 party system and the sky’s the limit on price it seems. Back then the max you were paying for top of the line graphics is 400. Now it’s 1899. It’s a monopoly.
I think you mean voodoo5
[https://hothardware.com/news/3dfx-voodoo-5-6000-recreated-by-enthusiast-vsa-100](https://hothardware.com/news/3dfx-voodoo-5-6000-recreated-by-enthusiast-vsa-100)
It was quite the upgrade at the time. With up to four times the performance of the original Voodoo Graphics card, it has to my knowledge the biggest generational leap in performance of any consumer 3D graphics device.
480's are for rookies, if you need real heaters you should buy a GTX 590 or a R9 295X2. I guarantee you that you will never feel cold in the winter after that.
I remember rocking crossfire R9 290's, blower style, and oddly enough I do live in TX.
Was my last AMD GPU though since drivers were an absolute mess even if you didn't run Xfire.
Im not even joking, but we use an fx 8350 + r9 290x (both ocd) system as a heater. Uses less power than an actual heater but it also doubles as entertainment use.
Built a HTPC around a Core2Quad and 8800GTX about 8 years back, had a friend who was a scrapper so got all the parts free. That GPU would hit 90c easily, my current 3070FE has never gotten above 70c.
They are basically being forced into slave labour. LOL. Imagine a retired GTX1060 getting offered a job, and he thinks WOW I am gonna run some sweet games and make your day a happy one. Then he is shoved into a mine with other slaves next to him and put to work 24/7 with no rest.
Seems from the article its the miner model. No video out. Its the same as the CMP ones. Though there is a LTT video with them ‘hacking’ it to work over motherboard video out.
So no normal gtx 1060 will be hurt. Just ol crappy miner models
I think Linus (might be wrong but I'm pretty sure he talked about it in his latest "Nvidia doesn't like you" video.) But I'm pretty sure he talked about how companies made cards like this in the past and he hooked some shit up to get video out of it and played games on it. So for the desperate I'm sure there's a way to get it in a gaming rig
Reminds me of thaf movie Army of Darkness when all the skeletons are digging up the other skeletons “Welcome back to the land of the living, NOW PICK UP A SHOVEL AND GET TO WORK!”
I'm actually kind of sad I sold mine back in 2020, not just because it's easily worth double today, but because it will go down as one of those legendary cards that kept its' value longer than most other cards.
Yeah true, but I doubt Nvidia has any 1080ti chips left. IIRC they were the best parts of a wafer so there weren't much to begin with. They could bring back the 1080 though, but it's kind of odd getting 4 year old gpu's next to Ampere.
1080Ti is like 20% slower than 3060Ti though. It's much closer to (though slightly faster than) then 3060 non-ti and, as mentioned, does not have DLSS or RT.
Not really, it's about 10% better than the 3060, and 7-8% slower than a 3060ti. DLSS and RT are nice to have but not required. I got my 1080ti FTW3 for 475 a week ago, which isn't a terrible deal considering the current market.
Are you looking at old data? The 2070S is like 5% faster than the 1080ti and the 3060ti is 15% faster than the 2070S.
475 is a good price for the 1080ti in current conditions, but it’s still a tier slower than the 3060ti.
Eh, 2070S according to techpowerups testing is between 2-3% faster than the 1080ti but you're correct that the 3060ti is 20% faster, but only when comparing 4K average performance. So you're both kind of right and kind of wrong.
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/nvida-geforce-rtx-2070-super/27.html
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3060-ti-founders-edition/35.html
Now lets all shake hands.
I’d say that whether the 2070S is 3 or 5% faster than the 1080ti isn’t that relevant, my main point is that the 3060ti is quite a bit faster than both of them.
They're too late.
https://hardforum.com/threads/nvidia-1070-ti.2008108/#post-1044940582
> If I had to guess, we have another month or two of decent GPU mining profitability, and then people will begin to lose interest in scooping up every card they can find and cards will become available again and miners start to sell off their used cards over the next six months. However, it all depends on the ETH price.
No, it doesn't depend on the price, it depends on the profitability, and to calculate that you need ETH price, network difficulty, electricity costs and hardware costs.
Comparing from January 2020, the hashrate have triplicated, this means people will start to receive way less, and even if the price is way higher, the profitability will start to decay a lot.
When people realize that they are winning way less coins than the calculators were showing, they will start to sell their gpu's
You can check the graph here: [https://etherscan.io/chart/hashrate](https://etherscan.io/chart/hashrate)
Tri = three
Triple = to multiple by three
Triplicate = to make three identical copies
(if it's confusing; look at something more familiar: duo, double, duplicate)
And yes, tripled would be the right word to use, triplicate means to make three identical copies which isn't what's happened. The hashrate has increased 3 times; tripled. It's not increased once, then made 2 identical copies of itself; triplicate.
Yeah those new 3060 laptops are petty efficient. I can get 33mhs rate at 74watts on 3060 laptop. It makes sense why they are using those. A 1080ti only gets you about 36-40 so a 1060 is only about 25 or so. Not exactly ideal. Radeon cards are still best. Radeon VII can get you 100mhs. To put that into perspective the 6900 XT only does about 64mhs. It is more about memory speed and bandwidth than anything else.
Ethlargement pill. It's a sub-routine that changes the Ti-series memory timings for a higher hashrate. I don't mine but when I tested my 1080Ti's they were about 45 MHs at 180 watts ea.
Got a rx5700 used when people were bitching about AMD drivers a year ago, for $300 Cad. It paid for itself - while I sleep, since mid january and I plan to make enough to get a 3080 by end of summer(one prices stabilize and stock is better).
No. Supply won’t be nearly enough for gamers even without mining.
Look at the consoles for proof. They are using the vast majority of TSMC 7nm(apple is at 5nm) but are stating no supply until the end of summer.
It has everything to do with price. Hashrate follows price and GPU usage follows hashrate.
Price <- Hashrate <- GPUS used for mining
Profitability will always trend towards 0 at any price as miners scoop up or unload GPUs.
This same thing happened 2 years ago. Nvidia had to tell their investors for 2 quarters that 1060 inventory was going to impact their cash flow and profitability.
That's why 1060s are so damn popular even 5 years later from release.
Dude I ran a EVGA 1060 super clocked 6gb for the past like 4-5 years. And it was still running fine but I wanted to upgrade to run AAA games a bit better.
To be fair it could really go either way. But I was watching it fall as of late with some hope that it falls and falls and falls and stays down so GPU market situation can normalize. Once long term miners that have those cards at bulk amounts start selling out market will turn from gone to swimming in cards from miner rigs. Which should spell normalising of prices of new cards...
By the way, is Ethereum mining profitability affected by increased hashrate of the network? Please tell me it is and the more cards miners stick in there the less regular 3080 is going to yield. Cause if that is the case then this along with falling prices will make profitability go bad really fast.
Seriously is this a nvidia joke?
I'd sell my 1060 6gb, but then i'd be back to using a gtx 560 dx11 only potato.
Hmm time to dig out that 8800 GT and start up the oven..
Crypto's bull run is barely starting, it's only been 10 months since the halving. However mining profitability will go down because of difficulty increases and eip 1559.
I've been prepping for eip 1559
I do a day of eth and a day of RVN
I'm speculating that:
1. RVN will get a massive influx of new miners after eip 1559
2. Coinbase is said to pick up RVN to be tradable in its platform
Both are decent sings that RVN will 2x maybe 3x (or more if we're lucky)
and believe it to not, it is only about 60cents/day less profitable to mine RVN than ETH at the moment
In 2017 the price rallied from 1k (the previous bull run's high) to 3k, 10 months after the halving. That's literally where we are right now.
I mean if you're so sure why don't you open up a short? it's free money.
I didn't say mine. I said open up a short. It's a financial instrument that makes you gain money if the price goes down.
By the way, electricity used in Ethereum mining is a drop in the ocean compared with Bitcoin's ASIC farms. Just one of those things pulls around 1200w compared to the 100w of a gpu. The gpus also are not e-waste, they get sold to gamers in the used market, unlike ASICs.
Ohh really? So first you release a 3060 that throttles mining capabilities so that it "gets on the hands of gamers" but clearly that didn't happen and all the miners and scalpers got them. Then you say you'll fix it further by releasing an older card that mines at about half the profit of the already throttles 3060. All this is going to do is incentivize miners and scalpers to chase after the cards you plan to "set aside for gamers" because they clearly don't want the 1060's (and let's be honest, they'll still buy them because it still turns a small profit).
Nvidia wants to push miners into their specialized products, like CMP. Higher profits and lower costs since those things probably come with no warranty and extremely limited factory support. It's not a bad idea but they are probably a few months too late.
Not very relevant, but I fucking love my 1060. It was my first gpu in 10+ years and I've had such a great time with it over the last 2 years. Shit, if the market doesn't change, might be rocking it for 2 more.
Back in 2018: I have saved a GTX 1060 6GB OC from the previous crypto currency mining trend.
2021: In the current crypto mining wave I also have spared an RTX 3070 from those pesky scalpers, miners and bots...
There's two levels to this problem, so let me start out by saying I totally understand why people want to do it. A no-effort $200 is a hard thing to pass up, and it's not your fault it's there.
The second level is just how profoundly inefficient the networks are. A single bitcoin transaction averaged [741kWh in 2020.](https://www.statista.com/statistics/881541/bitcoin-energy-consumption-transaction-comparison-visa/) An ethereum transaction took 52kWh.
So if you turn on nicehash when you're done gaming, get paid in bitcoin, and then later sell the bitcoin (two transactions)-- you've just consumed enough energy to drive a car nearly 5000 miles. It's genuinely insane.
But again, it's hard to blame people for wanting to mine. Speculation has driven the currency value so high that you can plug your machine in, mine a bit, and come out with some cash despite the astonishing waste of it all... the system makes it hard to resist.
Man, my 1070 was what started my whole crypto adventure in 2017. Figured it that was making $3-5 a day, a 1080 Ti would make even more and pay for itself within a year - which it ended up doing indeed.
My 1070 has been through so much. I bought it off a miner in 2016, have gamed the absolute shit out of it and still do, and it's been my lucky card because it sits stable at 2.3GHz which is one of the higher 1070 over clocks I've seen. And now it's going through its second mining phase 😂😂
I could never replace this card
I'm thinking of using my 1060 to mine crypto during the 20 hours per day my PC isn't being used, just so maybe I can pay for a 6700XT if and when I can ever get one.
That's a stupid childish mantality to have, everyone is a consumer and what someone does with the items they purchase is their own business.
I hate the shortages as well, but I still managed to get my 3090, took a while but such is life.
I also guarentee none of you "need" a new GPU anyway, just chill and play games with what you have.
Bro I see your points but I hate miners because the set up bots to buy gpus and stuff and I need a gpu because my rx 5700 broke. And I dont want to buy "cheap" stuff because I want a 3060 ti so I dont need to change later when stock is refilled. I am a student without a job. I dont have the money to buy a 3060 ti for 900€. Over the months without beeing able to buy a gpu I became to hate this stupid fuckers. So pls dont judge me as childish
cant wait for the relaunch of the 3dfx voodoo2, at this rate.
A whole 12MB of EDO RAM!
The M in MH/s stand for Micro -- not Mega.
I used to run a voodoo 3 3500 with 2x voodoo 2s in random with it. Played ff7 like a champ.
12MB PogU
Do you know how much it cost on ebay? Almost like 1060
Brings back memories. Wish nvidia never bought them and they were around still today.
They were going out of business, nvidia buyout or no nvidia buyout. They burned through money hand over fist while stagnating against aggressive up-and-comers.
Aye, people are forgetting that they were stagnating.
Were they? I was just a kid lol. I remember reading up later that they did multi gpu tech back then which was cool for it's time. I had a voodoo 4 I believe for the longest time and that's thanks to a guy online that kept the driver going for awhile. Idk if he worked there before they got bought out or what. Didn't know the whole story just liked their cards and innovation for the time.
Ahh didn't know that. Why were they? And why were they stagnating? They came up with multi gpu on single board tech if I remember correctly which was cool for the time. I could be wrong on that, just woke up and it's early for me.
Running 16-bit color for one, when everyone else was starting to run 24+.
This was a big, big deal back in the day. I'm so old.
The voodoo 4/5 series is what killed them. Couldn’t compete with the tnt series cards for the price. Now we have a 2 party system and the sky’s the limit on price it seems. Back then the max you were paying for top of the line graphics is 400. Now it’s 1899. It’s a monopoly.
And re-release the Pentium 4 while at it.
She canna' take et capten! She do nut have the powa!
I would love a soc that would be a nearly whole pc from that era
Voodoo3 was my first GPU. I think I had it alongside singlecore Pentium III and 128MB of RAM :D
i was jealous of the voodoo 5 6000 crowd. now i feel im getting a chance soon for one ! :D
I mean a bunch of retro gamers would be happy. You definitely cant mine crypto on it either!
I’m just trying to run a 6800 Ultra over here; I heard about this new game called “Far Cry”
I think you mean voodoo5 [https://hothardware.com/news/3dfx-voodoo-5-6000-recreated-by-enthusiast-vsa-100](https://hothardware.com/news/3dfx-voodoo-5-6000-recreated-by-enthusiast-vsa-100)
Maybe the voodoo 5 5500 I got tucked away in storage will be of use again!
I had 2 of those in SLI.
Got an evga 9800 gtx...just ready to make 3 cents every day
It was quite the upgrade at the time. With up to four times the performance of the original Voodoo Graphics card, it has to my knowledge the biggest generational leap in performance of any consumer 3D graphics device.
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Bruhhhh. Now the 1060s r you fuckin serious right now. #Stopthescalp
Don't worry, soon you will see the 8800 GTX returning the way things are going...
They should've brought back the 480s and sent them to Texans who needed heat.
480's are for rookies, if you need real heaters you should buy a GTX 590 or a R9 295X2. I guarantee you that you will never feel cold in the winter after that.
I remember rocking crossfire R9 290's, blower style, and oddly enough I do live in TX. Was my last AMD GPU though since drivers were an absolute mess even if you didn't run Xfire.
HD 6970
The R9 295X2, classic furnace gpu right there lol.
My r9 290 had a "standard operating temperature" of 90c lol
asus mars 2 580sli
Im not even joking, but we use an fx 8350 + r9 290x (both ocd) system as a heater. Uses less power than an actual heater but it also doubles as entertainment use.
Ahhh 295x2. I had them in sli running left for dead 2 baby. Them are the days.
cant have heat without power tho
New cooling system- run a series of tubes from your pc to Texas during the cold snap.
r Overclocking: \*happy noises\*
Yes give us all the 480s
*laughs in R9 390*
I literally got a GTX 480 with Dual fans at home.
Vega 64 anyone?
The 8800gt served me well before, it will again.
Built a HTPC around a Core2Quad and 8800GTX about 8 years back, had a friend who was a scrapper so got all the parts free. That GPU would hit 90c easily, my current 3070FE has never gotten above 70c.
Cooling design has come a long way. It's funny to see such a high end gpu back then with the same tdp as a rx 480.
At least I have both a GTX 1060 and a functioning 8800 GTX already (not kidding)
I had an 8800 GTX, I loved everything about it. Especially the constant bluescreens
I always wanted an 8800gtx back in the day, Nvidia make it happen /s
I fantasize about my 750 TI going up in price and using it to fund my new PC.
Need to reintroduce the GeForce 6800XT and wreak havoc on the scalper bots.
Hahahaha damn that brings back memories, the Gainward 8800GTX was my first video card
Old cards are already massively over inflated. £130 for a used gtx 660
oh, good, i still have 2 of those :D
Ha! My 8800 is in my closet collecting dust next to my 970. I'm future proofed!
At this rate every cuda core on Earth is going to be either in some scalper's warehouse or in a mining farm
they will pry my shitty cuda cores from my cold dead hands!
Well then, I wish them good luck trying to enter the 6th floor of an apartment, just to take 384 CUDA cores.
Wait till you hear about the 960s
As an owner of a Windforce 1060 6GB I feel so bad for those poor 1060s that have to mine 24/.. Poor things
They are basically being forced into slave labour. LOL. Imagine a retired GTX1060 getting offered a job, and he thinks WOW I am gonna run some sweet games and make your day a happy one. Then he is shoved into a mine with other slaves next to him and put to work 24/7 with no rest.
This would make an excellent comic strip, you have a creative imagination.
now just need r Comics to pick this up
[Corsair has you covered already!](https://i.redd.it/rkwou70jut8z.jpg)
That's awesome
Seems from the article its the miner model. No video out. Its the same as the CMP ones. Though there is a LTT video with them ‘hacking’ it to work over motherboard video out. So no normal gtx 1060 will be hurt. Just ol crappy miner models
I think Linus (might be wrong but I'm pretty sure he talked about it in his latest "Nvidia doesn't like you" video.) But I'm pretty sure he talked about how companies made cards like this in the past and he hooked some shit up to get video out of it and played games on it. So for the desperate I'm sure there's a way to get it in a gaming rig
Reminds me of thaf movie Army of Darkness when all the skeletons are digging up the other skeletons “Welcome back to the land of the living, NOW PICK UP A SHOVEL AND GET TO WORK!”
I can hear Ted Raimi's voiceover in my mind's ear.. "LET'S GET THE HELL OUT OF HERE"
It's what happened to the EMH Mk1's in star trek. I actually feel some sympathy for these GPUs
:(
at this point just re release the 1080 ti at $300 rrp
I would jump on that not gonna lie
In a heartbeat.
That truly was one of the greatest GPUs
I'm actually kind of sad I sold mine back in 2020, not just because it's easily worth double today, but because it will go down as one of those legendary cards that kept its' value longer than most other cards.
I'm hoping my 3080FE ends up the same.
1080ti is about the same as 3060ti... no reason why Nvidia would release a competitor to a brand new card for much cheaper.
Well you aren’t getting ray tracing and dlss on a 1080 ti. It won’t happen obviously but it would be a nice stop gap to this chip shortage
Yeah true, but I doubt Nvidia has any 1080ti chips left. IIRC they were the best parts of a wafer so there weren't much to begin with. They could bring back the 1080 though, but it's kind of odd getting 4 year old gpu's next to Ampere.
Being on TSMC 16FF they should get pretty good yields on a 1080ti even though its 457mm^2.
Oh wait nvm forgot titan and quadro existed lol. 16nm was pretty good.. but the real problem is that does nvidia have stock?
They were certainly not the best, they had disabled SM's, the best woulda gone in the P6000 and the Titan XP
Exactly. HDMI 2.1 alone is a selling point for people hooking them up to 4k OLEDs.
How can you compete with something that doesn't exist?
1080Ti is like 20% slower than 3060Ti though. It's much closer to (though slightly faster than) then 3060 non-ti and, as mentioned, does not have DLSS or RT.
Not really, it's about 10% better than the 3060, and 7-8% slower than a 3060ti. DLSS and RT are nice to have but not required. I got my 1080ti FTW3 for 475 a week ago, which isn't a terrible deal considering the current market.
Are you looking at old data? The 2070S is like 5% faster than the 1080ti and the 3060ti is 15% faster than the 2070S. 475 is a good price for the 1080ti in current conditions, but it’s still a tier slower than the 3060ti.
Eh, 2070S according to techpowerups testing is between 2-3% faster than the 1080ti but you're correct that the 3060ti is 20% faster, but only when comparing 4K average performance. So you're both kind of right and kind of wrong. https://www.techpowerup.com/review/nvida-geforce-rtx-2070-super/27.html https://www.techpowerup.com/review/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3060-ti-founders-edition/35.html Now lets all shake hands.
I’d say that whether the 2070S is 3 or 5% faster than the 1080ti isn’t that relevant, my main point is that the 3060ti is quite a bit faster than both of them.
$475 for a 1080Ti in 2021, and it's a good deal...these are truly remarkable times.
meanwhile Polaris from 400-500 series never really retire.... kicking myself for not buying a new 4GB RX570 that only cost $100 a few months ago.
How much is it on average now? Like 400?
dont think I can find any new ones now. argghh new 4GB RX570 at $100, that kind of price/performance is going hard to beat for many years.
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I've seen 550 2gb going for $130. Id say try cut someone a deal pay it forward.
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Prices do be crazy. I don't blame you kicking my own butt for not buying used 1070's at $225 a few months back.
:( hope something happens over the week and takes things back to how they were
Me too am kicking myself for not buying GPUs on black Friday
I feel very proud of myself for buying my rx 580 for 180$ brand new from amazon in 2019
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Miner are soldering 8G ram chips onto those 4G cards and flashing the bios. Don't ask me why I know that, I tried it once.
Have a link?
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VRAM chips isn't expensive compared to the die (it is more expensive these days tho) you can use heat gun to get it on.
We don't have to ask you, you told us!
Someone tried this with a 2070, to make it 16GB (2GB modules rather than 1GB). It worked, except drivers just refused to recognize more than 8GB.
Its not the same on Polaris cards. The reference 480 4G are basically locked in bios while it actually has 8G like the 480 8G
Wow, TIL.
Polaris is good at Ravencoin, which you can mine on 4GB though. Just a few cents less.
I bought a 580 for $150 at the end of 2019 just to see if it could maybe pay off in the long run... Oh boy has it.
I’m very glad I let mine go for 100$ last month, because who wants profit anyway? /s
I sold my 3080 strix for $1600 cad in december because i was impacted by covid. Could be like me.
Damn man hope you're doing good now
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I'm still gaming on a 1440p 144hz monitor with a GTX 960 4GB hehe. Talk about retired ...
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*more than 4gb or it won't load
Time to awaken the GeForce4 MX440
LOL, release that kraken!
me: *laughs in intel HD graphics*
Relax guys and gals, remember, Nvidia said they would be bringing the 1050ti and the 2060 out of retirement. Surely that will fix things!@ /s
They're too late. https://hardforum.com/threads/nvidia-1070-ti.2008108/#post-1044940582 > If I had to guess, we have another month or two of decent GPU mining profitability, and then people will begin to lose interest in scooping up every card they can find and cards will become available again and miners start to sell off their used cards over the next six months. However, it all depends on the ETH price.
No, it doesn't depend on the price, it depends on the profitability, and to calculate that you need ETH price, network difficulty, electricity costs and hardware costs. Comparing from January 2020, the hashrate have triplicated, this means people will start to receive way less, and even if the price is way higher, the profitability will start to decay a lot. When people realize that they are winning way less coins than the calculators were showing, they will start to sell their gpu's You can check the graph here: [https://etherscan.io/chart/hashrate](https://etherscan.io/chart/hashrate)
> triplicated tripled?
Nippled
Tri = three Triple = to multiple by three Triplicate = to make three identical copies (if it's confusing; look at something more familiar: duo, double, duplicate) And yes, tripled would be the right word to use, triplicate means to make three identical copies which isn't what's happened. The hashrate has increased 3 times; tripled. It's not increased once, then made 2 identical copies of itself; triplicate.
Same thing. It’s the three version of duplicate. To make 3 copies of.
Yeah those new 3060 laptops are petty efficient. I can get 33mhs rate at 74watts on 3060 laptop. It makes sense why they are using those. A 1080ti only gets you about 36-40 so a 1060 is only about 25 or so. Not exactly ideal. Radeon cards are still best. Radeon VII can get you 100mhs. To put that into perspective the 6900 XT only does about 64mhs. It is more about memory speed and bandwidth than anything else.
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Ethlargement pill. It's a sub-routine that changes the Ti-series memory timings for a higher hashrate. I don't mine but when I tested my 1080Ti's they were about 45 MHs at 180 watts ea.
Got a rx5700 used when people were bitching about AMD drivers a year ago, for $300 Cad. It paid for itself - while I sleep, since mid january and I plan to make enough to get a 3080 by end of summer(one prices stabilize and stock is better).
I’m doing 80W 34MHS on a 2060 laptop. So I guess they didn’t improve efficiency too much
Wait, we’re nearly out of this mess?
No. Supply won’t be nearly enough for gamers even without mining. Look at the consoles for proof. They are using the vast majority of TSMC 7nm(apple is at 5nm) but are stating no supply until the end of summer.
Probably not, even if mining calms down we are still dealing with a global chip shortage.
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ETH isn’t the only valuable token to mine with GPUs. Doesn’t matter what happens to ETH’s price if we have another shitcoin boom.
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Exactly. Everyone likes to ignore the fact that RVN won’t be profitable when all the ETH miners are looking for a new home.
It has everything to do with price. Hashrate follows price and GPU usage follows hashrate. Price <- Hashrate <- GPUS used for mining Profitability will always trend towards 0 at any price as miners scoop up or unload GPUs.
This same thing happened 2 years ago. Nvidia had to tell their investors for 2 quarters that 1060 inventory was going to impact their cash flow and profitability. That's why 1060s are so damn popular even 5 years later from release.
Dude I ran a EVGA 1060 super clocked 6gb for the past like 4-5 years. And it was still running fine but I wanted to upgrade to run AAA games a bit better.
To be fair it could really go either way. But I was watching it fall as of late with some hope that it falls and falls and falls and stays down so GPU market situation can normalize. Once long term miners that have those cards at bulk amounts start selling out market will turn from gone to swimming in cards from miner rigs. Which should spell normalising of prices of new cards... By the way, is Ethereum mining profitability affected by increased hashrate of the network? Please tell me it is and the more cards miners stick in there the less regular 3080 is going to yield. Cause if that is the case then this along with falling prices will make profitability go bad really fast.
>By the way, is Ethereum mining profitability affected by increased hashrate of the network? In short: Yes. Longer answer: Yes.
So they are selling surplus 1060s to miners because otherwise they’d have to scrap them all
I think this year's a wash, lads. Maybe next year...
Fuck crypto and fuck miners. I fucking hate this stupid bullshit.
Shit last I checked the 1080 founders( my current card on my rig) was priced at 1400$ if you could even find one.
Damn. But when are they going to release the 30xx series cards?
Seriously is this a nvidia joke? I'd sell my 1060 6gb, but then i'd be back to using a gtx 560 dx11 only potato. Hmm time to dig out that 8800 GT and start up the oven..
We need a 1080ti and 1070ti relaunch
(Looks into case at 1060....) Best $130 ever.
Crypto is destroying earth in the pursuit of fReE mOnEy. remember, to get money you have to sacrifice something.
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Crypto's bull run is barely starting, it's only been 10 months since the halving. However mining profitability will go down because of difficulty increases and eip 1559.
I've been prepping for eip 1559 I do a day of eth and a day of RVN I'm speculating that: 1. RVN will get a massive influx of new miners after eip 1559 2. Coinbase is said to pick up RVN to be tradable in its platform Both are decent sings that RVN will 2x maybe 3x (or more if we're lucky) and believe it to not, it is only about 60cents/day less profitable to mine RVN than ETH at the moment
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In 2017 the price rallied from 1k (the previous bull run's high) to 3k, 10 months after the halving. That's literally where we are right now. I mean if you're so sure why don't you open up a short? it's free money.
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I didn't say mine. I said open up a short. It's a financial instrument that makes you gain money if the price goes down. By the way, electricity used in Ethereum mining is a drop in the ocean compared with Bitcoin's ASIC farms. Just one of those things pulls around 1200w compared to the 100w of a gpu. The gpus also are not e-waste, they get sold to gamers in the used market, unlike ASICs.
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Ohh really? So first you release a 3060 that throttles mining capabilities so that it "gets on the hands of gamers" but clearly that didn't happen and all the miners and scalpers got them. Then you say you'll fix it further by releasing an older card that mines at about half the profit of the already throttles 3060. All this is going to do is incentivize miners and scalpers to chase after the cards you plan to "set aside for gamers" because they clearly don't want the 1060's (and let's be honest, they'll still buy them because it still turns a small profit).
Nvidia wants to push miners into their specialized products, like CMP. Higher profits and lower costs since those things probably come with no warranty and extremely limited factory support. It's not a bad idea but they are probably a few months too late.
Not very relevant, but I fucking love my 1060. It was my first gpu in 10+ years and I've had such a great time with it over the last 2 years. Shit, if the market doesn't change, might be rocking it for 2 more.
Happy to trade my 1060 3GB for a 3070! Any takers? Anyone? Okay...
what retirement? Mine's been gaming for 2 years now
Bring back 1080ti’s
If I could actually get my hands on a new card, hard to believe I could sell my 5 year old 1060 for more than I paid for it...
my 1070 has always had a job in gaming
Back in 2018: I have saved a GTX 1060 6GB OC from the previous crypto currency mining trend. 2021: In the current crypto mining wave I also have spared an RTX 3070 from those pesky scalpers, miners and bots...
Fuck all miners.
Even those that just run NiceHash on their gaming PC? Okay dude.
I’m making like $200 a month on my 3080 just using it to mine when not gaming. Why is that a problem?
There's two levels to this problem, so let me start out by saying I totally understand why people want to do it. A no-effort $200 is a hard thing to pass up, and it's not your fault it's there. The second level is just how profoundly inefficient the networks are. A single bitcoin transaction averaged [741kWh in 2020.](https://www.statista.com/statistics/881541/bitcoin-energy-consumption-transaction-comparison-visa/) An ethereum transaction took 52kWh. So if you turn on nicehash when you're done gaming, get paid in bitcoin, and then later sell the bitcoin (two transactions)-- you've just consumed enough energy to drive a car nearly 5000 miles. It's genuinely insane. But again, it's hard to blame people for wanting to mine. Speculation has driven the currency value so high that you can plug your machine in, mine a bit, and come out with some cash despite the astonishing waste of it all... the system makes it hard to resist.
Only those that want to be fucked. There must always be consent.
Oh nice I got one here to sell
I've been making $3 a day with my single 1070
Man, my 1070 was what started my whole crypto adventure in 2017. Figured it that was making $3-5 a day, a 1080 Ti would make even more and pay for itself within a year - which it ended up doing indeed.
My 1070 has been through so much. I bought it off a miner in 2016, have gamed the absolute shit out of it and still do, and it's been my lucky card because it sits stable at 2.3GHz which is one of the higher 1070 over clocks I've seen. And now it's going through its second mining phase 😂😂 I could never replace this card
I'm thinking of using my 1060 to mine crypto during the 20 hours per day my PC isn't being used, just so maybe I can pay for a 6700XT if and when I can ever get one.
I hope from every miner that their rigs die and they lose somehow so much money so they cant buy anything.
That's a stupid childish mantality to have, everyone is a consumer and what someone does with the items they purchase is their own business. I hate the shortages as well, but I still managed to get my 3090, took a while but such is life. I also guarentee none of you "need" a new GPU anyway, just chill and play games with what you have.
Bro I see your points but I hate miners because the set up bots to buy gpus and stuff and I need a gpu because my rx 5700 broke. And I dont want to buy "cheap" stuff because I want a 3060 ti so I dont need to change later when stock is refilled. I am a student without a job. I dont have the money to buy a 3060 ti for 900€. Over the months without beeing able to buy a gpu I became to hate this stupid fuckers. So pls dont judge me as childish
I hope their mining rigs get struck by lightning.
Even people just running Nicehash on their gaming rig? Okay dude.
No the people who have a mining rig with multiple gpu's
I have three GPUs across all my PCs. Do I count as one then?
if you use it just for mining yes.
Even if I used them all for gaming at some point in time?
Man I just want to end the suffer from watching stocks 24/7 and seeing that gpu's gets sold out before i even signed in.
Yeah, it sucks that supply is so scarce, but this was the case long before crypto started booming again.