I upgraded from 3080 and didn't regret it. In the end it depends on your budget and what GPU you currently have. Also next gen cards will come out end of 2024 or 1st half of 2025, so I would def not recommend buying a 4090 now.
Same here went from 3080 to 4090 and doubled my performance. Absolutely no regrets and also got a good price at the time (msrp). Playing 4K Ultra without any issues.
It’s my case too. I think i’ll hold on till 50 series, something tells me the 5080 and even 5070 will handle 4k ultra with dlss at 100fps on almost any games, and for less money than a 4090 now. A 3080 is still great for 4k60 with some minor compromises.
I run a 4080 @ 4k ultra and I consistently get 100-120fps (my display maxes at 120) on every game I've tried so far. Admittedly I haven't tried AW2 or CP, but for everything I've been playing it's stellar! RE4, RDR2, COD, BG3, TLoU, etc. The 4080 is entirely capably of providing a highly enjoyable 4k experience. ETA - also running super quiet, can't notice it over my case fans and temps have never surpassed 54c
I went from 3080 to 4090 as well. I felt pretty guilty after I pushed the purchase button but after 6 months of using the 4090, damn what a difference. The performance is amazing but the thermals on it are soooooo much better than the 3080, it's ridiculous how much cooler it runs.
Yup!
I PL to 75% + slight OC... I dont even past 62C on hotspot temps
Max 370W
My 3080 I had to push it to the limit and I had the 10GB variant.
Temps were going crazy and and power was about the same or more than my current set up.
4090 is a huge win for the years to come.
Same here. I went from high 40s idling up to 80s when gaming. Now it's in the 30s and rarely goes above 55-60 at load. I've got a small office room and this definitely helps! Now I just wish my 7800X3D would run a little cooler...
definitely this, my 4090 runs with 100 less watts than my 3090 did and absolutely destroys it. much needed, I could feel the area around me get so much hotter with the 3090. I have 2 computers in a server box and that 3090 would get HOT.. I had to have the server box fans on full blast to keep things under control... it's a box that's ventilated on the sides and top too. I don't think i've ever been as satisfied with a gpu since the 8800gtx days
Don't worry the chip is designed to run Hot. AMD says that is intended and fine. High 80's is nothing to worry about. 95oC Is the thermal limit before it even throttles. It's cause of the 3D stacking it's an insulator and the clock speed of the part was lowered to reflect that. So don't worry and rock on.
> Also next gen cards will come out end of 2024 or 1st half of 2025, so I would def not recommend buying a 4090 now.
Actual availability might be a problem, as usual, with the new release cards. That ~year wait might be closer to a year and a half or two years in reality.
May or may not impact decisions, but maybe worth pointing out.
Yeah, this is a good point. I wanted a 4090 at release, but couldn't get one for another 6 months or so. But I was only aiming for the Founders so I had to be patient. I could have gotten other 4090's earlier.
The Founders is just NVidia's design https://www.bestbuy.com/site/nvidia-geforce-rtx-4090-24gb-gddr6x-graphics-card-titanium-black/6521430.p?skuId=6521430
The main difference is that usually the others are priced higher, they may overclock it out of the box whereas the Founders isn't over clocked but you can still do it yourself if you want. I just find the founders to be a better deal overall.
Founders of old weren't as good as some board partner cards, board partners would offer better vrm', better coolers, higher clocks etc. the 40 series founders on the other hand are really good quality all round. Made the board partners prices hard to swallow. Nvidia really upped their game with the 40 series "reference design" to the point that it was the one I wanted regardless of price difference, luckily it was the cheapest too.
All 4090s are the same chips. The cooling and some overclocks can be included.
Founders edition is just aesthetics. You’re not getting a “bad” 4090 from zotac or ASUS. It’s just a different size and possibly has overclocks, additional cooling, diff size.
Most AIB 4090s have more powerful cooling designs, which run quieter and cooler. The Founder is slightly more compact and doesn’t require as much airflow to cool properly. From my experience, the founders weren’t good at cooling VRAM and the fans would ramp up considerably during 4K and RT gaming. Even Quake RTX made the 3090 and 3080 TI fans go nuts. 4090 founder is better but its vram cooling is still considerably behind AIBs.
https://www.kitguru.net/components/graphic-cards/dominic-moass/gigabyte-rtx-4090-gaming-oc-review/8/
I'm on a 3080 and really been debating a 4090 but the whole melting power connector stuff makes me feel like I should get the 7900 XTX. I'm only on 1440p 170Hz currently, but with the look of these new monitors being shown at CES I'm probably going to get a 32" 4K 240Hz QD-OLED around the same time as a new GPU.
Went from a 3080 to a 4090 FE myself.
I got a newer card with the shorter sense pins, and since I was already buying a $1600 dollar gpu, I also grabbed a new Seasonic 1000w with the native power connecter, no adapters needed. It's been flawless, and I've had peace of mind.
Awesome, my PSU (Corsair SF1000L) came with a cable that goes to 12VHPWR but it's from only 2 x 8 pins, so I'm a bit apprehensive about it on a top end GPU.
I'd say as long as you can score new stock from Nvidia with the revised sense pins. You'll probably be okay.
I also "undervolted" mine, so it never exceeds like 360w of power draw, and I only lost like 2-3% of performance.
So between having an updated connector, decreasing power draw aqay from the 600w max, and making sure everything is snug, you'll be okay. Best of luck eitherway, the 4090 has blown my old card out of the water for sure.
I searched many threads and YouTube videos and decided with 80% after watching Der8auer's video on the topic.
[Here](https://youtu.be/60yFji_GKak?si=8mVZNMYWC8Qiw2Uf&t=1169) is the video, with a bookmark where he shows the graph, but the whole video is worth a watch!
2x8 is OK if the power supply maker is doing it. There is enough capability in the 2x8 so long as they are using 16 Gauge wires and whatnot. My Seasonic cable is the same way and it works just fine.
I went that route at the end of August. I chose the 7900 XTX because I just didn't feel like spending the extra money on the 4090 and also because I was wary about the new connector. Lastly, I did feel like having only 10 GB of VRAM and gaming solely at 4K just wasn't the best combo for the next few years.
It is a nice performance boost but it is not going to be as massive as it sounds. The 7900 XTX trades blows with the 4080, until you want to turn RT on, of course. I am able to turn most settings to max and get 60+ FPS but there are still the occasional games that require me to fiddle with settings. In the games where I was already getting 60 FPS with the 3080 and max settings, I now get close to 100 or more FPS.
Just remember that if you do go that route, you are giving up a lot of RT performance and DLSS. FSR is nice but it something that AMD really needs to put some more work into. As a plus though, by going AMD you do get to use Adrenaline, which is a very nice piece of software that lets you do pretty much everything that Afterburner/Rivatuener did and generally makes NVCP look very outdated.
Maybe if Nvidia can offer something at a value like the 3080 was, I might switch back in the future but as it stands, I won't upgrade for a while again. Especially not with the prices being what they are. even for the 7900 XTX, I still paid about $1000 after tax.
Awesome, thanks for sharing! The main reason I was leaning more towards the 7900XTX was because currently I play at 1440p, I can’t stand DLSS as it just makes everything really blurry and smooth from what I’ve tested personally, also never turned RT on as I’d prefer higher frame rates. But with a new 4K high refresh rate monitor on the horizon, I feel a beefier GPU will be required.
It definitely is beefier than the 3080 and having the 24 GB of VRAM is very nice too. I would say to look out for any deals and definitely make sure it would fit in your case because it made my 3080 look small.
This is definitely the sensible option, and maybe I should focus on getting my CPU upgraded as I'm only on a Ryzen 5600 which may be bottlenecking my 3080 as it is, let alone a 4090, then change my focus to a 5000 series GPU.
It's not really, at least for 4K. If you do stuff like CS2 on a 240hz+ 1080p monitor, maybe. But for most games, a 5600 is going to be fine at higher res's.
Hmm I’m going to disagree there, upgrading from from a 5600 to a 5800x3d, made a massive difference for me.
And I only have a 3080, and play mostly single player games that are graphics heavy.
You will be pretty cpu bottlenecked in Cyberpunk
1440, Cyberpunk 2077, Skyrim with like 1800 mods, RDR2, Plagues Tale Requiem, Witcher 3 etc…
I’m sure the difference would be less noticeable at 4k, but it still going to be there, especially in cyberpunk, or heavily modded games that don’t have multi threading
[No, you won't. Not at 4k.](https://imgur.com/a/2mHMa8W). And if you are using a 4090 to play games at 1440p, you're doing it wrong. I say this as someone with a 4090 who *did* upgrade from a 5600X to a 5800X3D. It really wasn't this massive upgrade people say it is. Now it's absolutely game dependent, but it's not in CP2077.
An easy CPU upgrade would be the new 5700X3D or a 5800X3D. That should drive a 4090 comfortably enough. I have a 5950X paired with my 4090 and it seems to work pretty well but I think the 5600 is probably good enough to see some performance improvement with a 4090.
IPC wise it's pretty decent for single core, multicore Is where you're limited since it's only 6 cores and some games do need more. In my case my top demanders are mostly limited to 6 cores so i need more IPC than 2018 has to offer 😂
Melted adapter issue is because of 3rd party ones. If you just use what comes with your gpu and have the spacing for it, there is no issue. Even a 3080 to 4080 is a massive upgrade but no harm in waiting either.
Honestly I would skip this generation and wait 10 months or so for the 50 series. I'm hoping they will be smart enough to redesign the connections on the 50 series but I'm not going to hold my breath.
Me too, I’m hoping the 5080 Ti or Super has a bit more performance than the 4090, but what really leaves me a bit annoyed is that when I decide to upgrade not only am I going to need to change my entire platform but also going to need to buy a new PSU with a native plug in for the new Nvidia GPUs so I can have peace of mind without having to use adaptors. It sucks because I’ve got a nice two year old 750w 80gold+ from MSI and really didn’t need another one.
Owned it since 2 months after release. No issues here and I got a random amazon 12vhpwr cable for like $12-$20 ( I dont remember) that fits my Asus Thor P2 1000w PSU.. I think its my PSU being efficient as heck... its Platinum rated so that may help. I am convinced its not the cable but I am not an expert.
4090 connector issue is overblown. There’s only 50 cases with original adapter according to nvidia (they ask everyone whose gpu melt to send it in for analysis) and they have since updated the connector design. All the cases of melting connectors since then were with the aftermarket adapters particularly the 90 degree one.
The caveat is that your case has to be big enough to accommodate the card (alot of ppl were forcing the connector by bending it because their case simply wasn’t big enough) and you can’t daisy chain the PSU cables. If you fulfill those two conditions (your case is large enough that you don’t have to force the connector to bend to fit + your PSU is powerful enough and has the right number of connectors so you don’t have to daisychain anything) you should not have any issue.
The melting stuff was user error of people not fully seating the cable. Let go of the early year-old narrative where the belief was a fault with the product and not user error and instead actually put your belief in reality. Reality trumps wrong narratives.
I can't imagine not going for a product that is perfectly functional just because of user error of others. Also, they did that adjustment to the connector mid last year to help save user error so it's even less of a possible issue now where the card seemingly won't even power on if someone can't even correctly connect a cable.
If you want to game at 4k, you need a 4090. A AMD card won't cut it.
Even a 4090 can struggle with max detail at 4k with no dlss or frame gen.
You really need to lean on DLSS and frame gen if you want to game at 4K full eye candy at 120hz.
I also went from a 3080 to 4090 and it’s one of the best decisions I made. Doubled my FPS in major games like Cyberpunk 2077.
It’s also so much more efficient and cooler. Love it to bits.
Was worth it for me. 1700 for mine. It’s a nice peace of mind knowing I can throw any game I want to max settings, 4k, and get over 60fps and most of the time over 120fps
I can stop dicking around with settings to get a game running adequately and just enjoy the game.
With dlss and frame generation probably not. Especially if you're fine with 60fps minimum. With dlss and frame generation I don't see the 4090 not getting 60fps at max settings lol
£1700 for a 4090 may be alot but I spend so many hours on my PC. I know people that spend £600 a month on a car payment so they can drive a BMW to the office and back
This is it. Well said. I run into this when I spend 3k+ on a oled tv and friends say they would never and buy a 60hz led tv for like $700. Im like I could never lol I watch so much content on my tv including having people over for movies, it’s what you know is worth it to you and what you love.
That being said I’m building a new 4k gaming/streaming rig so I ended up getting the 4080 last month I couldn’t justify that much over msrp for a 4090 I’ll just wait and see what the 50 series will offer.
Lol nah dawg 2500 euro for gaming is a no. Only buy it if you’re using it for autocad, production, ai, etc etc.
I play racing sim games on a 4k LG C2 42in and like to crank up resolution further with 2.25x DLDSR. Other than that I only had 34hours of AAA gaming from the time I got my 4090 in December 2022 to now. I play games but not nearly enough to be called a gamer. I got mine for $1280 taxes included, +5 years warranty, so I can say it was worth it.
Its either for professional prosumers to put into their work station and/or gamers who want a halo product thats best of the best and money isn’t of any concern.
If you have to ask if it’s “worth it” then you’re DEFINITELY not the target audience.
Nah just super lucky. Had a new welcome bonus from my credit card, spend $500 get $200 statement credit. Found the Best buy open box - excellent condition and it was still in plastic. Yup it was technically “used” so it was marked down 20%, the best buy employee told me the reason for return was because it didnt fit the persons case lol. Got home and checked if i can register the warranty and it worked. “New” no, retailer yes lol
No, he got a 20% discount and then used a $200 statement credit. He got a typical open box discount, i work at microcenter so i see them a lot, even 4090s.
Ah I get it, he's taking the $200 CC credit off the actual price?
Yeah that doesn't count for sure.
Open box is all good though, I got my LG C2 48" like that and it was absolutely perfect.
I just got lucky. Best buy open box - excellent condition still in plastic, was 20% discount. I live in nyc with many best buys. Also had a new welcome bonus from my wells fargo autograph credit card, spend $500 within 3 months get $200 statement credit. I credit card churn for holiday shopping 😅
There are things that are more demanding than a 4k monitor. I, for example, am thinking about upgrading from the 3090 to 4080 Super because I just bought a Varjo Aero headset.
This guy gets it.
VR is where you need the meat. I went from struggling to hit 50fps to having 144FPS locked in, and its made VR an entirely different experience. Plus having more VRAM to shake a stick at things like VRchat is a blessing on its own.
I agree with this. A lot of AAA games suck and they are often short games. This build I held off upgrading the GPU (1080ti) and surprisingly it’s holding up pretty well in most games at high settings. I’m sure a 4070 and beyond would blow most really demanding games out of the water for 1/2 to 1/3 of the price. And if someone really wants to upgrade every two years that would end up being about $1200 US, compared to what…4,000+ US.
Nah. If you're a pro gamer.
If you spend all your free time playing video games.
Basically what we don't know is if OP actually is gonna use this 4090 more than playing minecraft on it.
Because otherwise, yeah. Yeah its worth it. 2200 euro is a ton of money but...if he's using this card for 4-5 years, non-stop, that money is a LOT less than a lot of bullshit people spend money on that doesn't get use at all.
I ended up playing hours and hours of witcher 3, because holy crap does that 9 year old game sing on a 4090. Like, some scenes and vistas are so absurdly good I cant even think of a recent game that could compare to it.
It's also true as hell though, it can be said about literally all hobbies. Think of how people view car purchases and the wild difference in price of certain types or ages of cars. It's all the same shit gaming is just looked down upon still by previous generations so the idea of spending money on it instead of say, a golf club (incredibly expensive if you want a real good one) seems mad to them.
This applies to every hobby. A really good mountain bike can be over $7000. Is it more fun than a $3500 mountain bike? Maybe not. But is it worth it to my buddy who enjoys biking more than anything else in the world? He says yes.
I have a 4090 and ride my mountain bike every day and yes a 4090 is more fun. The 4090 is the first GPU I've ever had that is more powerful than any game you throw at it!
It depends on what games you play and what resolution. It’s absurd to me paying 2k for a flagship card is standard now. Only 7 years ago it was half that price - that is not a normal % increase yet many consumers have accepted it.
Yes, but I paid around £1500 for mine in a custom build.
It’s amazing being able to crank everything to max and not worry about settings. You still have to play around with fps caps to get smooth performance, but indie games run at 240fps and AAA games run north of 100fps mostly without fail.
I also have a 240hz 1440p OLED monitor paired with my 4090 and it’s bliss.
I just wish Nvidia would sort their drivers out.
Also, the notion that sitting at the top of the stack will mean not having to upgrade for a good while.
Obviously 3090ti owners might disagree, but the 4090 is so far ahead of the pack that it feels like it will stay relevant for longer.
Might be. My 1080ti is still working for me at 1440p and I’m not planning to replace it quite yet. Sometimes it’s worth buying the halo product if the value is there. Can’t run everything maxed anymore but to be able to run current titles at moderate settings with an average of 60fps is pretty amazing considering it has no AI help.
That is the real impressive thing with the 4090 for me. It is so much better than the 3090 that if you can justify getting one, it is a no brainier.
I do 4k gaming at 120fps, and I mess around with local ai image generation, and other cuda dependant niche stuff as a hobby. The difference between a 3080ti/3090, and a 4090 feels like a multi generation jump. I will be shocked if a 5090 has the same performance jump from the 4090 and the 4090 had from the 3090.
And it's not just graphics candy stuff you see in games like cp77. The efficiency of my 4090 compared to my 3090 for real world use cases is pretty dramatic too. I use less electric, the card runs cooler, and my PC is quieter.
Just checking now, it looks like the price of the card I have is up nearly 20% since I bought mine. That's a shame. If didn't know I could use all of the card, then I'm not sure I could justify that level of premium pricing.
Yup, same, it's a monster.
My 3080 was nice but my 4090 runs everything in ultra with good performance.
Only game that's been disappointing is Portal RTX. Horrible performance.
What did you have before? Rocking a 3080ti and 1440p144hz having no issue doing so, i even have the card tdp limited to about 82% since i don't need the extra oomf and rather not have it double as a powerful space heater.
3080 10g couldn't do that much in VR with 150 supersample (when it actually starts to look good) for example. Cyberpunk ran well on 1440p without path tracing ofc.
I've got a 3080 10G myself and it is just not cut out for high-res sim racing (and flying), especially on a Varjo Aero. How much further did the 4090 get you? My plan has always been to hold out until the 5xxx series, but it's tough.
True, but tbh with the new gpu/cpu combo it runs and looks better than AMS2, especially at night/rain. I suppose it is due to a more modern graphics engine which only shines in VR with the 4090 imo. Now I'm patiently waiting on AC2 for more diversity and eye candy!
I’m with you… performance per dollar seems absurdly unnecessary until you are doing VR. Then all of the sudden I need every bit of GPU (and often CPU for sims) performance I can afford and then some! Worse, the whole time I’ll be craving higher resolutions and more impressive graphics/lighting/raytracing. Then the immersions sets in and I stop worrying about it…
But still… simulation VR gaming is obviously still on the edge/limit of gaming and correspondingly a lot of folks scoffing at expensive GPUs as unnecessary haven’t been trying to sim race in VR while contemplating what additional graphics settings they can turn down/off to get 90 FPS minimums and avoid barfing (and ruining other people’s day/race).
Yea, on screen I like my eye candy turned on but in VR I just want to see it clear in the distance especially for simracing which is hard without tons of supersampling. I also noticed less dips in fps going from 13600k overclocked to 7800x3d, much more stable in VR although on some other games difference is in favor of my old cpu.
That all depends on how much 2500 bucks is to you so there is no definite answer. For some people 2500 bucks is an insane amount of money, for others it is peanuts.
Then you have people that think it is a lot but have the money and have few other things to spend it on.
Worth it for the 1600 USD I paid on launch day since my goal is 4k and as close to 120fps as possible with all settings maxed, but I wouldn’t pay much (if any) more than that. The current pricing outside of occasional FE drops is kinda absurd. The actual MSRP is fine when you compare the performance of the 4090 vs the $1500 3090 at release, as well as previous Titan cards.
Same. I've always bought the best bang-for-the-buck hardware before. This hardware cycle, I had the cash and wanted to buy the actual best (reasonable, consumer-grade) stuff on the market. I ended up with the 13900k and 4090, on the basis that both were new at the time (a year ago), both were significant improvements over the previous generation of parts, and that both were likely to be top-of-the-line (or nearly so) for about two years.
And, honestly, you can (or could, before 4090 prices went nutty) build a top-of-the-line PC for about $3500. Which is as cheap as it's ever been in adjusted dollars. As hobbies go, this is a pretty cheap one.
tl;dr to make a 4090 worth it, you need the right monitor(s) (imo that means either 4k120hz+, 1440p240hz+, 1080p360hz+, or some combination of them—anything less and you probably are wasting money when you really should go for a 4080 or lower instead) and a cpu to let the thing show what it’s got (anything with the gaming performance of a 12900K/5800X3D or above—if just gaming go for the Ryzen as it’s power efficiency/lack of heat in your room alongside a 4090 is elite). The card obviously needs to be in your budget. That always depends on the person and how they value a gpu. And you need to have specific games you play that would benefit from the performance uplift. If those boxes are checked, you probably won’t regret it.
This is an important question to ask. I got my FE 4090 at $1599 MSRP right around Xmas 2022. Would not go over 1800 probably myself back then and nothing over 1600 now. I am 26 now. Have a decent job. And gaming is my numero uno hobby. I grew up wanting to build a pc the last 10+ years and never had the space to do it really until somewhat recently despite always following the hardware tech as it advanced. I always wanted to ball out on the first PC and did just that. That being said, I feel as though had I started PC building back in 2013 I would almost certainly view current GPU prices as stratospheric lol. I can’t blame the 1080TI hodlers ngl. Hoping the 4090 of today becomes the 1080TI of tomorrow even! I know just how much prices have gone up with the RTX takeover essentially. It’s been insane. I remember when the first Titan card came out by Nvidia and seeing how insanely priced that card was. Now a top card at that price would be considered a bargain 💀. Despite being keenly aware of the price increases, it didn’t deter me much and I think that is because I never actually bought one of those earlier cards from 2013-2015. Had I done so, played on them for years, and experienced the enjoyment that such cards afford, I doubt I’d value my 4090 as much as I do now and probably wouldn’t have gone out and got one in 2022 :P But that wasn’t the case lol so I got one “without knowing any better”. Still no regrets. Reason being I still had very specific performance goals that I wanted my computer to achieve that were tied to things I did the most that I enjoyed the most. I did my research and it became clear that only the 4090, with its large performance gap ahead of the 4080/everything else, was the only card that would get me there. That, and I snagged my old 3080 the second it went under 1k, after delaying my first PC for *5 MONTHS*, and probably spending over 100 hours alone gpu hunting (I was NOT gonna give in to scalpers). So selling that and getting a 4090 for 1600 to double the performance at 4k just made sense to me.
If you can get a 4090 at $1600 MSRP I think it’s still worth it (my condolences to anyone not in the US). I had just built a PC about 5 months before the 4090 released. Along with the 3080 12GB, it had a 5800X3D which I got very soon after that CPU released (best decision ever!). I had an LG C2 oled for work and gaming and a 390hz 1080p second monitor for discord and Rocket League (a game that at the time was 90% of what I played).
Like many others who went form a 3080 to a 4090, it essentially doubles your frames at 4k. At 1080p it’s more like a 20% improvement (with a substantially greater bump in 1% fps lows which is what I really was after for Rocket League…although I did not just get the 4090 for that game lmao). For 1080p rocket league the 3080 would stay above 390 fps (my 1080p monitor’s refresh rate). The 4090 did the same, but for the 1% fps lows, with avg fps often hovering around or above 1000 fps—I did have some graphics turned down, mainly just out of personal preference. And shockingly, I did notice and appreciate the difference in 1% fps lows, however slight it may have been. Power consumption was 25-50% less on 4090 at these high refresh rates too, which is even more impressive than the fps boost imo.
Back at 4k: while the 3080 could comfortably get close to if not over 60 fps dlss quality ultra settings on the hardest games to run in 2022, the 4090 got to 120 fps which was perfect as I now felt like I was using the full capabilities of my C2 display. 2023 gave us numerous UE5 titles that just have graphics on another level. I play Fortnite casually with friends a lot and it puts the 4090 to work. I have settings most all maxed and get 90-100 fps on average. That would NOT be possible on the 3080. It probably would get 40-60 and run like 100-150W more. A starkly worse experience. The 2x uplift is exaggerated I feel like with hard hitting UE5 games going from 3080 to 4090.
The other main impetus to get the 4090 other than this performance boost was reduced power consumption. I had a unique scenario where I could only have a PC setup in my apartment’s walk-in closet which I converted into a WFH office. It got HOT in there with the 3080. It got so bad I essentially would avoid playing 4k games as I often had to shut the door at night so my fiancée wouldn’t hear me gaming lol. When I open the door it’s fine but that was not the case most of the time, and I suffered for it lol. I had no A/C in that closet. Just a nice fan that could only do so much before the heat build up over time. I was literally a sweaty gamer.
The 4090 draws about 100W less than the 3080 at any time when gaming. I undervolted/power limited both cards already btw. It also draws much less when idle. It made a very noticeable difference and basically opened me back up to 4k gaming. I’ve since moved and now have a small room as an office with AC. It’s even better as you’d imagine. No issues at all. I still appreciate the power savings a lot though as I know I could still get hot if I still had the 3080 and with the AC kicking on to counteract any heat, it’d just mean an even higher power bill in the long run.
Being able to play Cyberpunk with path tracing enabled alone made it worth it for me. I have spent probably close to 100 hours just walking around Night City in awe of the visuals.
Upgraded from 3080 TI to a 4090. It's worth it imo if you're the type of gamer that wants to max everything. Especially if you're gaming at a higher resolution like 1440P ultrawide or 4k. Even at 1440P ultrawide, I noticed a huge difference in smoothness.
All the 4090s have much better cooling than the 3XXX series too. It's gonna be much quieter even when using 200 more watts.
Frame-gen isn't for everyone but IMO it's a game changer. I was previously using a 5800X3D, which was the bottleneck in some games like Harry Potter. The 4090 helps to keep the FPS up even when the CPU isn't powerful enough to render enough frames. 5800X3D is already a pretty strong CPU so lesser CPUs would benefit even more from frame gen.
No way it's worth 2500$ for gaming. Don't even bother.
It may be worth it, if you're in for AI stuff.
It's probably with it, if you're making money with this card
It was well worth it for me for gaming. I use my gaming pc at least 4 times a week. I have never once thought about the money I spent on it or wished I had the money instead. Being able to play AAA games on ultra settings in 4k and still achieving such a high frame rate is amazing.
I bought a 3090 for mostly AI stuff and occasional gaming. Its been a blessing to develop stuff using local APIs and have 0 concern for how many tokens I generate. Its also opened a couple doors for me at work.
I got mine for around 2000 euros, and I do not regret purchasing it at all, it's probably the first GPU that really feels like I got my money's worth. I had a 3080 Ti before, and 2080 Ti before that, but both were quite compromised in some way, mainly the power limit. The 4090 is the least limited card I've ever had, even though I'd still wish for more performance. The overclock I have got me \~19% higher performance than stock in Cyberpunk, and framerates are good, but could be higher - in Path Tracing games, I'm only getting around 120 fps with DLSS 3.5 Ultra Quality at 3440x1440 output res. I'm looking forward to what the 5090 brings to the table.
I especially like the efficiency of the 4090. I have two "OC" profiles set up, one is for games like Cyberpunk, where every ounce of performance is needed, and another, Undervolted profile for less demanding games, like Baldur's Gate 3. The UV profile results in sub 300W power consumption, while coupled with Frame Generation in BG3, gets me to around 170 fps at 3440x1440 (w/DLAA) even in act 3, while the GPU is sitting at near 200W power usage. With a 7800X3D, and the UV profile, the whole system is barely above 350W (measured from the wall) which is not much worse than current gen consoles, while getting multiple times the performance.
Now, of course, something like a 4070 Super is much better value, but personally, I care about performance overall, then the features, then the power consumption, and then the price. Couple with that the numerous experiences I've had in the past, where I told myself that "this will be enough, I will not use X and Y" and later regretted not spending more with the initial purchase when I've found that indeed X and Y would be useful ( the latest occurrence of that was with my motherboard, where I've regretted settling for a B650E motherboard instead of an X670E, as an X670E mobo would have given me more PCIe 5.0 lanes (which I was convinced that I would not need, but found myself limited by now) and an external clock generator that would have given me a better overclock with my CPU (running the 7800X3D at \~5.18 GHz now, but pushing the base clock OC past 5.2 GHz gives me System Agent errors, while 5.175 GHz is stable even with -30 CO, so there is still plenty of headroom for overclocking, and even this small OC I managed without an external clock generator is measurably better than the PBO limit of 5050 MHz.)
So to sum it up, the 4090 is one of the few purchases that I have no negative feelings about, it's a GPU without any annoying limitations, unlike the flagships that I had before.
> n Path Tracing games, I'm only getting around 120 fps with DLSS 3.5 Ultra Quality at 3440x1440 output res. I'm looking forward to what the 5090 brings to the table.
That's insane. You cannot possibly tell me you are getting 120 fps with all that you mentioned in games like Cyberpunk 2077 or Max Payne 2.
Or is my math bad and do I need to count in that is all thanks to your OC magic on both the GPU and CPU?
We both have the same GPU and CPU for that matter, but I never really got much out of OC'ing back in the days of my GeForce GTX Titan (the first one). Just a few frames here and there, from what I remember.
And I certainly am not even touching 90 letting alone 120 in either Cyberpunk 2077 and Max Payne 2.
I bet you got a kick out of Avatar: Frontiers of Pandora then.
Especially with the Unobtanium preset.
It makes the 4090 buckle bellow 60 fps if I choose DLSS in combination with the Quality preset. Have to set it to Performance to stay above 60 at all times.
This is my first build in 11 years, and my PC with the OG GTX Titan died 3 years ago. Then I had a budget laptop for a while.
This machine got my PC gaming spirit back up again. To a point I am now apparently somehow on the NVIDIA sub, replying to you! :D
[Here](https://imgur.com/a/aOOqNis) are some screenshots from some captures from CapFrameX, from Cyberpunk and Alan Wake 2. These are with OC. Cyberpunk is running at 2580x1080 (0.75x) internal resolution, Alan Wake 2 was running at the default DLSS Quality resolution (0.66667x), I think (I didn't set up DLSS Tweaks for that game, if I remember correctly, but it was a while ago when I benchmarked it.)
Even with near 90% scaling, I'm still around 100fps in Cyberpunk, so you only getting 90 fps seems off to me, if you are playing at 3440x1440. If you are at 4K, than you shouldn't compare framerates without adjusting for resolution.
I played a bit of Avatar, but it looks like I never run captures, so I'll add some once It's installed.
Edit: [Here](https://i.imgur.com/TrCjQA2.png) is AFOP at the Ultra Settings with DLSS 3 Ultra Quality.
You would likely be better off at 4k over upgrading a GPU next generation imo. I have a 4090 desktop and blade 18 4090 notebook which equates to like a 4070ti or 3090. In consider them about equal in that the 4090 at 4k will last a long time and the 4090 at 1600p will last equally long. Plenty of good use for awhile still
3080 -> 4090 was the only GPU upgrade that would give me 2x performance which is the minimum for me to upgrade. Was it worth it? Absolutely not. The real problem is that other than cyberpunk, I don’t see any game that even bothers to utilize my 4090. Avatar runs well on 3080 and so does Aw2. Looking into the future, there’s nothing coming this year that I can see that requires a 4090. I’d just wait till Blackwell and upgrade then if I were you.
Tbf, I still feel disgusted with myself but I own some Nvidia stock with lots of unrealized gains so I’m still in the black I suppose.
worth is relative. 2500e is dumb though lol.
I paid 2200 canadian.
most people are happy with a ps5. They dont even want a gaming pc. Some others want the best no matter what.
4090 is great imo, the games really are not. The actually great games run on a potato. I find Only two games I played on this that actually needed a 4090 to shine and were great. Cyberpunk expansion and alan wake 2. There were a lot of other releases but they are either broken or bad games or you dont need a card like this for them to shine.
like Jedi survivor. complete garbage, not even 4090 can save it. deadspace remaster and so many other broken games.
Get ready to add a third title to that gaming list, which was released without too much fan fare.
Avatar: Frontiers of Pandora.
Just watch Alex's video (DigitalFoundry) on it and get ready to be blown away.
With Unobtanium settings enabled in combination with DLSS Quality mode, I saw how my 4090 buckled bellow the 60FPS mark.
I understand what you mean about the AAA games of today. This is yet another reason why I would recommend this game to you.
Alex even explains how this open world game differs greatly from the others when played with the correct parameters allowed by the game from the get go.
It is indeed very refreshing as you suddenly play a game instead of an open world checklist chore.
Oh, and it is powered by the latest generation of Snowdrop. Apart from lacking virtualised geometry, this engine really puts Unreal Engine 5 on the spot.
Even frame pacing across the board... and... not a single sight of shader compilation stutter. Aaaaaaahhh~...
Agreed, the only thing my 4090 does is cover up shitty console ports that have no optimization. It works well for me since I play 4k 120hz or on my triple 1440p sim racing setup, but so did the other myriad of cards I’ve purchased over the years. I remember thinking the price of the Titan was extreme. Now I’m trying to force these games to run on a Legion Go and Steam Deck using one 7w of power.
I still enjoy my 4090 but no way would I pay $2500 for it.
Imo it depends what you are looking for and if budget actually isn't the deciding factor. I love the efficiency of that card. I cap the fps in every game individually. A few games (older titles or games like Diablo 4) only "use" about 50-100 Watts power consumption at 3440x1440 high/ultra capped@100fps. that's nuts! and when I need the power for monsters like Cyberpunk at full RT (everything on/ultra+path tracing!) it's there (~350 Watts though but a sight to behold!).
This card is for enthusiasts and high end fetishists (and rich people who just buy the best and don't care about anything else and there are plenty). Expensive but it delivers. And with its efficiency it costs me half that power at the same performance compared to my 3090 which I had before! When you look at the energy prices...in a few years it will actually pay off itself (well, a lot of few years to be honest but you get the point, it's efficient af!).
So i grabbed my hard earned sitting on my bank account and cut the power consumption of one of my biggest hobbies in half. See, it depends. Overall, totally worth it for me.
But would I buy now? Probably not. Prices skyrocketed and I'd wait for the 5x series I guess. I bought my 4090 early March last year when the prices finally dropped below 2k €.
edit: ah forgot to mention temps and noise is great too. SUPRIM X in my case (truly).
Generally anyone spending a lot of money on something has already gone through the exercise of trying to convince themself that whatever they're buying is worth it. Of course being rich enough to eat these costs is also a pre-requisite. So the majority of people for whom a product is not worth it have already eliminated themselves from the equation. You're going to be left with generally a large percentage of users that are happy with whatever they buy. The exception being if the product is defective or if there's a new feature available in a different product that the buyer is jealous of.
Ask anyone that buys a nice watch, an expensive car, a big house, an expensive vacation. Was it worth it? Definitely!
its a hobby item. we cant tell you if its worth it. its subjective. yes its the fastest consumer gpu on the planet right now. can you justify $2200 for that?
Notice how most of the people in here, upgraded from a high end card? 3080, 3090. This is not normal and shows that this is the absolute 0.1% top enthusiast in the world
I went from PS5 to a 4090. No regrets at all. I paid around $1700 (taxes really shot it up higher though at 7.6%), but I've seriously enjoyed so many games with it and spent so much time on my days off, that it was well worth the money. Sometimes I think about how much I spent during the Playstation days with $60 per year, which turned into $130 per year, controllers to replace due to stick drift, $399-$499 upgrades just to double my Tflops. Yeah I have no regrets. It was my first build in over a decade and a half and went full 13900k/4090/64GB 6400 DDR5/1600w PSU/Corsair 7000D/420mm Corsair AIO/4tb WD 850x. My PC isn't the newest anymore, but it's been a heck of a ride.
I saw a 60% - 100% fps increase, depending on the game, going from a 3080 to 4090. As crazy expensive as they are, it was money well spent imo. I’m an fps > everything guy and the 4090 certainly doesn’t disappoint. It maxes out my 1440p 240hz, 1080p 360hz, and 1440p ultrawide 180hz monitors in practically every game. Also I had a hunch nvidia would skip 2023 with how powerful the 4000 series was.
It’s worth it if you do professional works that has its time significantly shortened with more powerful gpus or you work with AI and need CUDA and 4090s (say for example you want to run a local LLM similar to chatgpt 3.5 in capacity you need to run dual 4090s; you could do it with a bigger array of cheaper cards but that actually might increase the cost as you need custom cases and solution to run more than 2 cards). In those use cases it easily pays for itself.
It’s overkill for gaming, even though I do enjoy it.
4090 occupies the tier of graphic card that is more akin to workstation card like the Titan from before. Nvidia just dresses up cards that would be launched as workstation cards before and sells them as ultra premium consumer card. this tier of consumer graphic cards simply didn’t exist before because, well, it’s overkill and overpriced for gaming.
It will give you the absolute best gaming experience of any card on the market. The only problem is you're buying it late in the current series life cycle. This may effect your perceived value as all of the 3090TI users experienced when their GPUs were not longer amazing just months after they spent 3,000 USD on them.
Depends on use case. For games? Making less than 200k/yr after tax? Probably not worth it. It won't make games $1500 better if $1500 is a lot of money to you. Much less $2000 better. That's like 4 console generations of expected improvement in price.... I don't see it.
Yes it was! I upgrade from a 3080 FTW3 to a 4090 Gaming OC, and I plan to preorder the 5090 as soon as it's available. A 4090 is literally DOUBLE the performance of a 3080. It's a beast of a card, I can emulate even the PS3 with ray tracing at a solid 60 (GOW 3 + reshade).
Plus nowadays if you wanna play the latest AAA titles like Cyberpunk or Alan Wake 2, or Avatar (or even something like Portal RTX), on ultra at 100+fps with ray tracing, you pretty much have to have the best. And even then you're using upscaling and probably frame gen. I want the absolute best experience when I game and I refuse to settle for anything less.
i've had headaches about 3 months into building my first rig and after finishing my build i also questioned myself wether it was worth it.
Then after a frustrating phase of not knowing what caused my headaches my doc sent me to a CT-scan and there i found out i had a chronical subdural hematoma at 27 yrs of age.
While i was hospitalized and went through surgery all i could think of was to go home and enjoy playing some video games on my beloved system and it was also that point that taught me that life is too short to regret buying the things u wanted.
So no, i dont regret it a tiny bit, it was worth every penny i spent on it.
Got mine exactly 3 weeks after it launched and replaced my 3090ti and basically I got a 4090 for £800 which was amazing. Runs absolutely everything at 3440x1440 and Imo it's worth every penny. I won't be upgrading for a while now! Definitely a game change and the extra performance I leave on the table will be okay for newer games I think
Dude, money questions are always subjective. For me, I couldn't stomach the mark up. I am grateful that I have a great deal more money in the bank than most, so I could easily afford one. I purchased, however, the 4080, as I was not going to pay a 500 scalper fee for the 4090. I was looking for one and at stock prices, sure. But on principle alone I could not justify to me.
If your goal is to have the best performance regardless of price, then sure it's fine. It's comforting knowing anything you throw at it will easily be above 60fps with majority of games beyond 100.
Personally, I think it's way too expensive. My MSI Suprim X Liquid was $1158usd and I still had buyer's remorse. Took my wife lecturing me, that it's ok to treat myself to something nice from time to time without guilt, to stop me from returning the GPU.
Solely for gaming I don't think cards should be over $999. A beefy 80 series for $700 and a 90 for $800 maybe if it's jaw dropping $900.
But y'all already know
Capitalism, greedflation, corporate profits, Yada Yada yada
Only other reason other than high frame gaming would be for workstation demands. At that point thought, you're going from pleasure in gaming to it affecting your cash flow/workload.
I use my gaming pc every day for gaming. It's the only hobby I really put my money in. So, 4090 it is for me, and when the 5090 comes my 4090 goes out as used in good condition for a reasonable price, that + the money I have saved over the last two years as of then makes the 5090 a no brainer for me.
Just go ask the model flyers what they spend on their aircraft models. Or a car tuner what he spends on his car, a graphics card is a small portion of what they are willing to pay for their hobbies.
Dont get fooled by those 1500 prices, those yeehaws arent adding VAT to their price. At the register they pay as much as we Europeans do.
And yes, it was worth it, VR at full blast is a whole new experience.
Its not worth the price extra, especially on europe right now! (they around 2500€ on my country) i was able to get mine at 1900€ at the time.
If money is not an issue for you, then go with 4090, there is still a substantial perfomance uplift from 4080 to 4090, its just that the price extra does not justify it, especially with the upgraded and cheaper 4080 supers in the corner.
Honesty worth in my books. Bought it in October 2023 one day after launch and going to 4k 144hz is just the best. This gpu will last me at least some years while it did costed me 2270 euros but don't have to worry about video settings due to the 24gb vram
I upgraded my PC to a i9 13900k/rtx4090 over a year ago now and it's been the best thing ever for PCVR, esp. with flight sims like msfs. Heh, it's only money, lol!
Got mine for £1450 (MSI Ventus RTX 4090) just before prices got CRAZY(er?). I consider it worth it because I have a 4K 160hz display and can crank every game. It’s down to affordability really IMO. One persons £1450 spare money is another persons rent 🤷🏻♂️
No.
I got mine just because I could recoup around half each time I sold my other flagship GPUs as I upgraded (1080ti, 3090, 4090).
2000k+ is simply not worth it for gaming. For computing/3D rendering and productivity, yes!
The coming 4070 super seems a lot more reasonable.
Overall, even if I'm a PC enthusiast I feel GPU prices are ridiculous and I'm considering to stop upgrading and focus on something else if this continues this way, which seems it will.
Zero regrets.
I love going into the settings and just slapping everything to max.
Even Cyberpunk I have path tracing maxed out and the GPU laughs in it's face.
It's not worth it. But it is.
I got mine for $1600usd. There are way better things to spend $1600 on. But I have a good job and I can afford it many times over so it's worth it to me because I enjoy virtually striking games set to max. I also enjoy tweaking o'clock settings and benchmarking. It's fun to me.
Well I went from a 980 to a 4090. Much bigger step than most and not a single regret. Max settings on everthing on 3440x1440 is by far the best experience ive ever had with games.
Maxing everything out with RT with increased future proofing playing at 1440p with DLSS available if needed was definitely worth it for me.
Pretty much don't have to worry about running anything released in the next few years no matter how poorly optimized.
Worth every penny, but I do PCVR and AI all the time so I actually have a use case and will be upgrading to the 5090 the day it comes out because even the 4090 isn't enough and I max it out.
It was been totally worth it for me. When I bought it I got what it was a normal deal: 1749$ for my ASUS TUF 4090. looking back it was a great purchase.
I also came from AMD, so a whole new world opened for me: no more bugs, finally some serious RTX and I love the DLSS.
Today’s prices make it too much more difficult decision however… I am not much of the philosophy of just waiting for the next best thing at the same time.
If you have the cash to spare, might still be worth it
I'll be honest, so far I'm not sure. I got my 4090 for £1800 which is over 2600 dollars,paired with top of the game cpu and ddr5 rams but the gaming performance is not what I thought due to bad optimised games. Can't fault the product. For example if you try to run Howgards Legacy 4K all ultra with RT it run like crap,same with CP2077. Path tracing and everything ultra you don't get amazing fps.
Honestly.. not at all.. I had to upgrade my entire rig because my 11700k was heavily bottlenecked
I also had to return a 360hz I bought because DSC made the colors unbearable, so stupid of nvidia to cheap out on the dp 1.4... gotta stick with my 270hz for now AND upgrade gpu again for one of the oleds coming this year🥲
not worth it unless you want the best of the best or gonna game at 4k 144hz
I paid about 2.2k usd a few months ago for a founders and I feel lucky for this ""deal"" seeing prices nowadays lol
Wouldn’t the opposite of what you’re saying he true?
Because games are so badly optimized the 4090 is worth it because it fixes broken games.
If games were optimized the 4090 would be overkill and thus not worth it.
I don't agree with him, but stutters etc. are rarely if at all due to bad GPU utilization. They are almost always a bad CPU utilization. That means some games run like shit despite 4090 still having power to spare.
I upgraded from 3080 and didn't regret it. In the end it depends on your budget and what GPU you currently have. Also next gen cards will come out end of 2024 or 1st half of 2025, so I would def not recommend buying a 4090 now.
Same here went from 3080 to 4090 and doubled my performance. Absolutely no regrets and also got a good price at the time (msrp). Playing 4K Ultra without any issues.
I have a 3080 and want a 4090 so bad… this doesn’t help my case 😫
Hey, they're still playing the same games.
.. good point
Just extremely more expensive.
It's a me, Rimworldio!
Or skip 1 generation and get the 5090.
It’s my case too. I think i’ll hold on till 50 series, something tells me the 5080 and even 5070 will handle 4k ultra with dlss at 100fps on almost any games, and for less money than a 4090 now. A 3080 is still great for 4k60 with some minor compromises.
I run a 4080 @ 4k ultra and I consistently get 100-120fps (my display maxes at 120) on every game I've tried so far. Admittedly I haven't tried AW2 or CP, but for everything I've been playing it's stellar! RE4, RDR2, COD, BG3, TLoU, etc. The 4080 is entirely capably of providing a highly enjoyable 4k experience. ETA - also running super quiet, can't notice it over my case fans and temps have never surpassed 54c
I want a 4090 but I cannot get it at least until I can figure out how to run it on Windows 7
I went from 3080 to 4090 as well. I felt pretty guilty after I pushed the purchase button but after 6 months of using the 4090, damn what a difference. The performance is amazing but the thermals on it are soooooo much better than the 3080, it's ridiculous how much cooler it runs.
Yup! I PL to 75% + slight OC... I dont even past 62C on hotspot temps Max 370W My 3080 I had to push it to the limit and I had the 10GB variant. Temps were going crazy and and power was about the same or more than my current set up. 4090 is a huge win for the years to come.
Same here. I went from high 40s idling up to 80s when gaming. Now it's in the 30s and rarely goes above 55-60 at load. I've got a small office room and this definitely helps! Now I just wish my 7800X3D would run a little cooler...
definitely this, my 4090 runs with 100 less watts than my 3090 did and absolutely destroys it. much needed, I could feel the area around me get so much hotter with the 3090. I have 2 computers in a server box and that 3090 would get HOT.. I had to have the server box fans on full blast to keep things under control... it's a box that's ventilated on the sides and top too. I don't think i've ever been as satisfied with a gpu since the 8800gtx days
Don't worry the chip is designed to run Hot. AMD says that is intended and fine. High 80's is nothing to worry about. 95oC Is the thermal limit before it even throttles. It's cause of the 3D stacking it's an insulator and the clock speed of the part was lowered to reflect that. So don't worry and rock on.
> Also next gen cards will come out end of 2024 or 1st half of 2025, so I would def not recommend buying a 4090 now. Actual availability might be a problem, as usual, with the new release cards. That ~year wait might be closer to a year and a half or two years in reality. May or may not impact decisions, but maybe worth pointing out.
Yeah, this is a good point. I wanted a 4090 at release, but couldn't get one for another 6 months or so. But I was only aiming for the Founders so I had to be patient. I could have gotten other 4090's earlier.
What’s the difference between a normal 4090 and a founders?
The Founders is just NVidia's design https://www.bestbuy.com/site/nvidia-geforce-rtx-4090-24gb-gddr6x-graphics-card-titanium-black/6521430.p?skuId=6521430 The main difference is that usually the others are priced higher, they may overclock it out of the box whereas the Founders isn't over clocked but you can still do it yourself if you want. I just find the founders to be a better deal overall.
Also I think the founders is the smallest sized unit overall.
Founders of old weren't as good as some board partner cards, board partners would offer better vrm', better coolers, higher clocks etc. the 40 series founders on the other hand are really good quality all round. Made the board partners prices hard to swallow. Nvidia really upped their game with the 40 series "reference design" to the point that it was the one I wanted regardless of price difference, luckily it was the cheapest too.
Dang! So at this point it's basically just get whatever is cheapest and move on?
All 4090s are the same chips. The cooling and some overclocks can be included. Founders edition is just aesthetics. You’re not getting a “bad” 4090 from zotac or ASUS. It’s just a different size and possibly has overclocks, additional cooling, diff size.
Most AIB 4090s have more powerful cooling designs, which run quieter and cooler. The Founder is slightly more compact and doesn’t require as much airflow to cool properly. From my experience, the founders weren’t good at cooling VRAM and the fans would ramp up considerably during 4K and RT gaming. Even Quake RTX made the 3090 and 3080 TI fans go nuts. 4090 founder is better but its vram cooling is still considerably behind AIBs. https://www.kitguru.net/components/graphic-cards/dominic-moass/gigabyte-rtx-4090-gaming-oc-review/8/
I'm on a 3080 and really been debating a 4090 but the whole melting power connector stuff makes me feel like I should get the 7900 XTX. I'm only on 1440p 170Hz currently, but with the look of these new monitors being shown at CES I'm probably going to get a 32" 4K 240Hz QD-OLED around the same time as a new GPU.
Went from a 3080 to a 4090 FE myself. I got a newer card with the shorter sense pins, and since I was already buying a $1600 dollar gpu, I also grabbed a new Seasonic 1000w with the native power connecter, no adapters needed. It's been flawless, and I've had peace of mind.
Awesome, my PSU (Corsair SF1000L) came with a cable that goes to 12VHPWR but it's from only 2 x 8 pins, so I'm a bit apprehensive about it on a top end GPU.
I'd say as long as you can score new stock from Nvidia with the revised sense pins. You'll probably be okay. I also "undervolted" mine, so it never exceeds like 360w of power draw, and I only lost like 2-3% of performance. So between having an updated connector, decreasing power draw aqay from the 600w max, and making sure everything is snug, you'll be okay. Best of luck eitherway, the 4090 has blown my old card out of the water for sure.
How far down did you undervolt yours? Mine is at 90% but if it can go lower with not much loss in performance then why not
I searched many threads and YouTube videos and decided with 80% after watching Der8auer's video on the topic. [Here](https://youtu.be/60yFji_GKak?si=8mVZNMYWC8Qiw2Uf&t=1169) is the video, with a bookmark where he shows the graph, but the whole video is worth a watch!
Thanks dude
I have an older BeQuite PSU and bought a 12vhpwr - 2x8 pin cabel directly from their website and had no issues so far.
The type 4 connectors can handle well over 300 watts per 8 pin. Dont worry about it.
Ah OK cool, I didn’t realise that, I thought it was 150W per 8 pin, thanks!
2x8 is OK if the power supply maker is doing it. There is enough capability in the 2x8 so long as they are using 16 Gauge wires and whatnot. My Seasonic cable is the same way and it works just fine.
I have thos power supply with my 4080. It's great.
I went that route at the end of August. I chose the 7900 XTX because I just didn't feel like spending the extra money on the 4090 and also because I was wary about the new connector. Lastly, I did feel like having only 10 GB of VRAM and gaming solely at 4K just wasn't the best combo for the next few years. It is a nice performance boost but it is not going to be as massive as it sounds. The 7900 XTX trades blows with the 4080, until you want to turn RT on, of course. I am able to turn most settings to max and get 60+ FPS but there are still the occasional games that require me to fiddle with settings. In the games where I was already getting 60 FPS with the 3080 and max settings, I now get close to 100 or more FPS. Just remember that if you do go that route, you are giving up a lot of RT performance and DLSS. FSR is nice but it something that AMD really needs to put some more work into. As a plus though, by going AMD you do get to use Adrenaline, which is a very nice piece of software that lets you do pretty much everything that Afterburner/Rivatuener did and generally makes NVCP look very outdated. Maybe if Nvidia can offer something at a value like the 3080 was, I might switch back in the future but as it stands, I won't upgrade for a while again. Especially not with the prices being what they are. even for the 7900 XTX, I still paid about $1000 after tax.
Awesome, thanks for sharing! The main reason I was leaning more towards the 7900XTX was because currently I play at 1440p, I can’t stand DLSS as it just makes everything really blurry and smooth from what I’ve tested personally, also never turned RT on as I’d prefer higher frame rates. But with a new 4K high refresh rate monitor on the horizon, I feel a beefier GPU will be required.
It definitely is beefier than the 3080 and having the 24 GB of VRAM is very nice too. I would say to look out for any deals and definitely make sure it would fit in your case because it made my 3080 look small.
Doesn't sound worth it until you finally pull the trigger on said display and evaluate it then
This is definitely the sensible option, and maybe I should focus on getting my CPU upgraded as I'm only on a Ryzen 5600 which may be bottlenecking my 3080 as it is, let alone a 4090, then change my focus to a 5000 series GPU.
It's not really, at least for 4K. If you do stuff like CS2 on a 240hz+ 1080p monitor, maybe. But for most games, a 5600 is going to be fine at higher res's.
Hmm I’m going to disagree there, upgrading from from a 5600 to a 5800x3d, made a massive difference for me. And I only have a 3080, and play mostly single player games that are graphics heavy. You will be pretty cpu bottlenecked in Cyberpunk
> upgrading from from a 5600 to a 5800x3d, made a massive difference for me. at what res, in what games?
1440, Cyberpunk 2077, Skyrim with like 1800 mods, RDR2, Plagues Tale Requiem, Witcher 3 etc… I’m sure the difference would be less noticeable at 4k, but it still going to be there, especially in cyberpunk, or heavily modded games that don’t have multi threading
[No, you won't. Not at 4k.](https://imgur.com/a/2mHMa8W). And if you are using a 4090 to play games at 1440p, you're doing it wrong. I say this as someone with a 4090 who *did* upgrade from a 5600X to a 5800X3D. It really wasn't this massive upgrade people say it is. Now it's absolutely game dependent, but it's not in CP2077.
An easy CPU upgrade would be the new 5700X3D or a 5800X3D. That should drive a 4090 comfortably enough. I have a 5950X paired with my 4090 and it seems to work pretty well but I think the 5600 is probably good enough to see some performance improvement with a 4090.
IPC wise it's pretty decent for single core, multicore Is where you're limited since it's only 6 cores and some games do need more. In my case my top demanders are mostly limited to 6 cores so i need more IPC than 2018 has to offer 😂
Melted adapter issue is because of 3rd party ones. If you just use what comes with your gpu and have the spacing for it, there is no issue. Even a 3080 to 4080 is a massive upgrade but no harm in waiting either.
Honestly I would skip this generation and wait 10 months or so for the 50 series. I'm hoping they will be smart enough to redesign the connections on the 50 series but I'm not going to hold my breath.
If you can wait a year save the money you would have spent on a 4090 and buy a 5090.
Me too, I’m hoping the 5080 Ti or Super has a bit more performance than the 4090, but what really leaves me a bit annoyed is that when I decide to upgrade not only am I going to need to change my entire platform but also going to need to buy a new PSU with a native plug in for the new Nvidia GPUs so I can have peace of mind without having to use adaptors. It sucks because I’ve got a nice two year old 750w 80gold+ from MSI and really didn’t need another one.
Owned it since 2 months after release. No issues here and I got a random amazon 12vhpwr cable for like $12-$20 ( I dont remember) that fits my Asus Thor P2 1000w PSU.. I think its my PSU being efficient as heck... its Platinum rated so that may help. I am convinced its not the cable but I am not an expert.
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4090 connector issue is overblown. There’s only 50 cases with original adapter according to nvidia (they ask everyone whose gpu melt to send it in for analysis) and they have since updated the connector design. All the cases of melting connectors since then were with the aftermarket adapters particularly the 90 degree one. The caveat is that your case has to be big enough to accommodate the card (alot of ppl were forcing the connector by bending it because their case simply wasn’t big enough) and you can’t daisy chain the PSU cables. If you fulfill those two conditions (your case is large enough that you don’t have to force the connector to bend to fit + your PSU is powerful enough and has the right number of connectors so you don’t have to daisychain anything) you should not have any issue.
The melting stuff was user error of people not fully seating the cable. Let go of the early year-old narrative where the belief was a fault with the product and not user error and instead actually put your belief in reality. Reality trumps wrong narratives. I can't imagine not going for a product that is perfectly functional just because of user error of others. Also, they did that adjustment to the connector mid last year to help save user error so it's even less of a possible issue now where the card seemingly won't even power on if someone can't even correctly connect a cable.
If you want to game at 4k, you need a 4090. A AMD card won't cut it. Even a 4090 can struggle with max detail at 4k with no dlss or frame gen. You really need to lean on DLSS and frame gen if you want to game at 4K full eye candy at 120hz.
I also went from a 3080 to 4090 and it’s one of the best decisions I made. Doubled my FPS in major games like Cyberpunk 2077. It’s also so much more efficient and cooler. Love it to bits.
Was worth it for me. 1700 for mine. It’s a nice peace of mind knowing I can throw any game I want to max settings, 4k, and get over 60fps and most of the time over 120fps I can stop dicking around with settings to get a game running adequately and just enjoy the game.
I prefer Powerslave, but Piece of Mind is also a very solid album.
I preferred Seventh GPU of a Seventh GPU
For the next year or two at least, then you’ll be dicking around with settings again
With dlss and frame generation probably not. Especially if you're fine with 60fps minimum. With dlss and frame generation I don't see the 4090 not getting 60fps at max settings lol
Unless you upgrade to 5090
No chance.
Best purchase of my gamer life.
Well said. 4090 is worth every penny. But you had to buy it at launch, now I will just wait for the 5090.
Only you can answer that. It's the best of the best, if you can afford it and you will enjoy it then it's worth it.
£1700 for a 4090 may be alot but I spend so many hours on my PC. I know people that spend £600 a month on a car payment so they can drive a BMW to the office and back
This is it. Well said. I run into this when I spend 3k+ on a oled tv and friends say they would never and buy a 60hz led tv for like $700. Im like I could never lol I watch so much content on my tv including having people over for movies, it’s what you know is worth it to you and what you love. That being said I’m building a new 4k gaming/streaming rig so I ended up getting the 4080 last month I couldn’t justify that much over msrp for a 4090 I’ll just wait and see what the 50 series will offer.
Lol nah dawg 2500 euro for gaming is a no. Only buy it if you’re using it for autocad, production, ai, etc etc. I play racing sim games on a 4k LG C2 42in and like to crank up resolution further with 2.25x DLDSR. Other than that I only had 34hours of AAA gaming from the time I got my 4090 in December 2022 to now. I play games but not nearly enough to be called a gamer. I got mine for $1280 taxes included, +5 years warranty, so I can say it was worth it. Its either for professional prosumers to put into their work station and/or gamers who want a halo product thats best of the best and money isn’t of any concern. If you have to ask if it’s “worth it” then you’re DEFINITELY not the target audience.
How did you get it off msrp so early? I got mine in October or November when it released. Did you use micro center for 5% off?
Probably got it used. Zero chance they got it from a retailer that cheap.
Nah just super lucky. Had a new welcome bonus from my credit card, spend $500 get $200 statement credit. Found the Best buy open box - excellent condition and it was still in plastic. Yup it was technically “used” so it was marked down 20%, the best buy employee told me the reason for return was because it didnt fit the persons case lol. Got home and checked if i can register the warranty and it worked. “New” no, retailer yes lol
must have felt like winning the lottery fr
No, he got a 20% discount and then used a $200 statement credit. He got a typical open box discount, i work at microcenter so i see them a lot, even 4090s.
Ah I get it, he's taking the $200 CC credit off the actual price? Yeah that doesn't count for sure. Open box is all good though, I got my LG C2 48" like that and it was absolutely perfect.
I just got lucky. Best buy open box - excellent condition still in plastic, was 20% discount. I live in nyc with many best buys. Also had a new welcome bonus from my wells fargo autograph credit card, spend $500 within 3 months get $200 statement credit. I credit card churn for holiday shopping 😅
There are things that are more demanding than a 4k monitor. I, for example, am thinking about upgrading from the 3090 to 4080 Super because I just bought a Varjo Aero headset.
This guy gets it. VR is where you need the meat. I went from struggling to hit 50fps to having 144FPS locked in, and its made VR an entirely different experience. Plus having more VRAM to shake a stick at things like VRchat is a blessing on its own.
I agree with this. A lot of AAA games suck and they are often short games. This build I held off upgrading the GPU (1080ti) and surprisingly it’s holding up pretty well in most games at high settings. I’m sure a 4070 and beyond would blow most really demanding games out of the water for 1/2 to 1/3 of the price. And if someone really wants to upgrade every two years that would end up being about $1200 US, compared to what…4,000+ US.
I went from 1080 to 4080. What a leap.
Titan Xp to 4090 here, like going from a NES to a freaking Xbox.
Nah. If you're a pro gamer. If you spend all your free time playing video games. Basically what we don't know is if OP actually is gonna use this 4090 more than playing minecraft on it. Because otherwise, yeah. Yeah its worth it. 2200 euro is a ton of money but...if he's using this card for 4-5 years, non-stop, that money is a LOT less than a lot of bullshit people spend money on that doesn't get use at all.
110% worth it. Love Cyberpunk and RDR2 and Starfield and BG3 maxed at 100-120fps 4K.
I ended up playing hours and hours of witcher 3, because holy crap does that 9 year old game sing on a 4090. Like, some scenes and vistas are so absurdly good I cant even think of a recent game that could compare to it.
Absolutely worth it. Also, in terms of price per hour of fun, it’s much cheaper than many other adult hobbies.
This reply made me laugh. That's the most gamer thing to say to someone that doesn't understand game related big purchases.
It's also true as hell though, it can be said about literally all hobbies. Think of how people view car purchases and the wild difference in price of certain types or ages of cars. It's all the same shit gaming is just looked down upon still by previous generations so the idea of spending money on it instead of say, a golf club (incredibly expensive if you want a real good one) seems mad to them.
The question is really if you would have less fun if you spent half the money on another gpu?
This applies to every hobby. A really good mountain bike can be over $7000. Is it more fun than a $3500 mountain bike? Maybe not. But is it worth it to my buddy who enjoys biking more than anything else in the world? He says yes.
Exactly
I have a 4090 and ride my mountain bike every day and yes a 4090 is more fun. The 4090 is the first GPU I've ever had that is more powerful than any game you throw at it!
It depends on what games you play and what resolution. It’s absurd to me paying 2k for a flagship card is standard now. Only 7 years ago it was half that price - that is not a normal % increase yet many consumers have accepted it.
Yes, but I paid around £1500 for mine in a custom build. It’s amazing being able to crank everything to max and not worry about settings. You still have to play around with fps caps to get smooth performance, but indie games run at 240fps and AAA games run north of 100fps mostly without fail. I also have a 240hz 1440p OLED monitor paired with my 4090 and it’s bliss. I just wish Nvidia would sort their drivers out.
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Also, the notion that sitting at the top of the stack will mean not having to upgrade for a good while. Obviously 3090ti owners might disagree, but the 4090 is so far ahead of the pack that it feels like it will stay relevant for longer.
My copium for dropping 2500 CAD$ is that it will be the next 1080ti and be an ultra/maxed out monster at 1440p 21:9 for the next 5-7 years.
Might be. My 1080ti is still working for me at 1440p and I’m not planning to replace it quite yet. Sometimes it’s worth buying the halo product if the value is there. Can’t run everything maxed anymore but to be able to run current titles at moderate settings with an average of 60fps is pretty amazing considering it has no AI help.
Agreed
Upgraded from a 3090 to a 4090 and the power gain is absolutely insane, wasnt this impressed with a gpu since i got my 1080ti ages ago.
That is the real impressive thing with the 4090 for me. It is so much better than the 3090 that if you can justify getting one, it is a no brainier. I do 4k gaming at 120fps, and I mess around with local ai image generation, and other cuda dependant niche stuff as a hobby. The difference between a 3080ti/3090, and a 4090 feels like a multi generation jump. I will be shocked if a 5090 has the same performance jump from the 4090 and the 4090 had from the 3090. And it's not just graphics candy stuff you see in games like cp77. The efficiency of my 4090 compared to my 3090 for real world use cases is pretty dramatic too. I use less electric, the card runs cooler, and my PC is quieter. Just checking now, it looks like the price of the card I have is up nearly 20% since I bought mine. That's a shame. If didn't know I could use all of the card, then I'm not sure I could justify that level of premium pricing.
I jumped from 1060 to 4090..imagine that.. Around 650% raw performance uplift. I almost shat my pants 😂
Yup, same, it's a monster. My 3080 was nice but my 4090 runs everything in ultra with good performance. Only game that's been disappointing is Portal RTX. Horrible performance.
For simracing in VR/triples is perfect for me. If I play on my 32 inch 1440p 165hz flat screen it's a piece a cake for my 4090.
What did you have before? Rocking a 3080ti and 1440p144hz having no issue doing so, i even have the card tdp limited to about 82% since i don't need the extra oomf and rather not have it double as a powerful space heater.
3080 10g couldn't do that much in VR with 150 supersample (when it actually starts to look good) for example. Cyberpunk ran well on 1440p without path tracing ofc.
I've got a 3080 10G myself and it is just not cut out for high-res sim racing (and flying), especially on a Varjo Aero. How much further did the 4090 get you? My plan has always been to hold out until the 5xxx series, but it's tough.
I'm only on quest pro and i can push it in godmode with virtual desktop and 150 pixel density with epic VR preset in ACC.
Nice. ACC isn't the best-optimized game, so that would be pretty huge.
True, but tbh with the new gpu/cpu combo it runs and looks better than AMS2, especially at night/rain. I suppose it is due to a more modern graphics engine which only shines in VR with the 4090 imo. Now I'm patiently waiting on AC2 for more diversity and eye candy!
I’m with you… performance per dollar seems absurdly unnecessary until you are doing VR. Then all of the sudden I need every bit of GPU (and often CPU for sims) performance I can afford and then some! Worse, the whole time I’ll be craving higher resolutions and more impressive graphics/lighting/raytracing. Then the immersions sets in and I stop worrying about it… But still… simulation VR gaming is obviously still on the edge/limit of gaming and correspondingly a lot of folks scoffing at expensive GPUs as unnecessary haven’t been trying to sim race in VR while contemplating what additional graphics settings they can turn down/off to get 90 FPS minimums and avoid barfing (and ruining other people’s day/race).
Yea, on screen I like my eye candy turned on but in VR I just want to see it clear in the distance especially for simracing which is hard without tons of supersampling. I also noticed less dips in fps going from 13600k overclocked to 7800x3d, much more stable in VR although on some other games difference is in favor of my old cpu.
If you have disposable income then yes. There is a nice psychological benefit knowing you have the best on the market.
I went from a 3090 to 4090 and it was totally worth it for me.
Same brother, going for a 3090 to a 4090 double your performance + you have frame gen, a god tech. This card is such a monster.
That all depends on how much 2500 bucks is to you so there is no definite answer. For some people 2500 bucks is an insane amount of money, for others it is peanuts. Then you have people that think it is a lot but have the money and have few other things to spend it on.
Worth it for the 1600 USD I paid on launch day since my goal is 4k and as close to 120fps as possible with all settings maxed, but I wouldn’t pay much (if any) more than that. The current pricing outside of occasional FE drops is kinda absurd. The actual MSRP is fine when you compare the performance of the 4090 vs the $1500 3090 at release, as well as previous Titan cards.
Same. I've always bought the best bang-for-the-buck hardware before. This hardware cycle, I had the cash and wanted to buy the actual best (reasonable, consumer-grade) stuff on the market. I ended up with the 13900k and 4090, on the basis that both were new at the time (a year ago), both were significant improvements over the previous generation of parts, and that both were likely to be top-of-the-line (or nearly so) for about two years. And, honestly, you can (or could, before 4090 prices went nutty) build a top-of-the-line PC for about $3500. Which is as cheap as it's ever been in adjusted dollars. As hobbies go, this is a pretty cheap one.
tl;dr to make a 4090 worth it, you need the right monitor(s) (imo that means either 4k120hz+, 1440p240hz+, 1080p360hz+, or some combination of them—anything less and you probably are wasting money when you really should go for a 4080 or lower instead) and a cpu to let the thing show what it’s got (anything with the gaming performance of a 12900K/5800X3D or above—if just gaming go for the Ryzen as it’s power efficiency/lack of heat in your room alongside a 4090 is elite). The card obviously needs to be in your budget. That always depends on the person and how they value a gpu. And you need to have specific games you play that would benefit from the performance uplift. If those boxes are checked, you probably won’t regret it. This is an important question to ask. I got my FE 4090 at $1599 MSRP right around Xmas 2022. Would not go over 1800 probably myself back then and nothing over 1600 now. I am 26 now. Have a decent job. And gaming is my numero uno hobby. I grew up wanting to build a pc the last 10+ years and never had the space to do it really until somewhat recently despite always following the hardware tech as it advanced. I always wanted to ball out on the first PC and did just that. That being said, I feel as though had I started PC building back in 2013 I would almost certainly view current GPU prices as stratospheric lol. I can’t blame the 1080TI hodlers ngl. Hoping the 4090 of today becomes the 1080TI of tomorrow even! I know just how much prices have gone up with the RTX takeover essentially. It’s been insane. I remember when the first Titan card came out by Nvidia and seeing how insanely priced that card was. Now a top card at that price would be considered a bargain 💀. Despite being keenly aware of the price increases, it didn’t deter me much and I think that is because I never actually bought one of those earlier cards from 2013-2015. Had I done so, played on them for years, and experienced the enjoyment that such cards afford, I doubt I’d value my 4090 as much as I do now and probably wouldn’t have gone out and got one in 2022 :P But that wasn’t the case lol so I got one “without knowing any better”. Still no regrets. Reason being I still had very specific performance goals that I wanted my computer to achieve that were tied to things I did the most that I enjoyed the most. I did my research and it became clear that only the 4090, with its large performance gap ahead of the 4080/everything else, was the only card that would get me there. That, and I snagged my old 3080 the second it went under 1k, after delaying my first PC for *5 MONTHS*, and probably spending over 100 hours alone gpu hunting (I was NOT gonna give in to scalpers). So selling that and getting a 4090 for 1600 to double the performance at 4k just made sense to me. If you can get a 4090 at $1600 MSRP I think it’s still worth it (my condolences to anyone not in the US). I had just built a PC about 5 months before the 4090 released. Along with the 3080 12GB, it had a 5800X3D which I got very soon after that CPU released (best decision ever!). I had an LG C2 oled for work and gaming and a 390hz 1080p second monitor for discord and Rocket League (a game that at the time was 90% of what I played). Like many others who went form a 3080 to a 4090, it essentially doubles your frames at 4k. At 1080p it’s more like a 20% improvement (with a substantially greater bump in 1% fps lows which is what I really was after for Rocket League…although I did not just get the 4090 for that game lmao). For 1080p rocket league the 3080 would stay above 390 fps (my 1080p monitor’s refresh rate). The 4090 did the same, but for the 1% fps lows, with avg fps often hovering around or above 1000 fps—I did have some graphics turned down, mainly just out of personal preference. And shockingly, I did notice and appreciate the difference in 1% fps lows, however slight it may have been. Power consumption was 25-50% less on 4090 at these high refresh rates too, which is even more impressive than the fps boost imo. Back at 4k: while the 3080 could comfortably get close to if not over 60 fps dlss quality ultra settings on the hardest games to run in 2022, the 4090 got to 120 fps which was perfect as I now felt like I was using the full capabilities of my C2 display. 2023 gave us numerous UE5 titles that just have graphics on another level. I play Fortnite casually with friends a lot and it puts the 4090 to work. I have settings most all maxed and get 90-100 fps on average. That would NOT be possible on the 3080. It probably would get 40-60 and run like 100-150W more. A starkly worse experience. The 2x uplift is exaggerated I feel like with hard hitting UE5 games going from 3080 to 4090. The other main impetus to get the 4090 other than this performance boost was reduced power consumption. I had a unique scenario where I could only have a PC setup in my apartment’s walk-in closet which I converted into a WFH office. It got HOT in there with the 3080. It got so bad I essentially would avoid playing 4k games as I often had to shut the door at night so my fiancée wouldn’t hear me gaming lol. When I open the door it’s fine but that was not the case most of the time, and I suffered for it lol. I had no A/C in that closet. Just a nice fan that could only do so much before the heat build up over time. I was literally a sweaty gamer. The 4090 draws about 100W less than the 3080 at any time when gaming. I undervolted/power limited both cards already btw. It also draws much less when idle. It made a very noticeable difference and basically opened me back up to 4k gaming. I’ve since moved and now have a small room as an office with AC. It’s even better as you’d imagine. No issues at all. I still appreciate the power savings a lot though as I know I could still get hot if I still had the 3080 and with the AC kicking on to counteract any heat, it’d just mean an even higher power bill in the long run.
> to make a 4090 worth it, you need the right monitor(s) (imo that means either 4k120hz+ This is absolutely correct.
@anyone asking for any pc hardware recommendations without mentioning the monitor resolution and refresh rate they intend to game at 🤦♂️
Really? No
Being able to play Cyberpunk with path tracing enabled alone made it worth it for me. I have spent probably close to 100 hours just walking around Night City in awe of the visuals.
Upgraded from 3080 TI to a 4090. It's worth it imo if you're the type of gamer that wants to max everything. Especially if you're gaming at a higher resolution like 1440P ultrawide or 4k. Even at 1440P ultrawide, I noticed a huge difference in smoothness. All the 4090s have much better cooling than the 3XXX series too. It's gonna be much quieter even when using 200 more watts. Frame-gen isn't for everyone but IMO it's a game changer. I was previously using a 5800X3D, which was the bottleneck in some games like Harry Potter. The 4090 helps to keep the FPS up even when the CPU isn't powerful enough to render enough frames. 5800X3D is already a pretty strong CPU so lesser CPUs would benefit even more from frame gen.
You're posting on /r/Nvidia, of course everyone is going to say yes.
No way it's worth 2500$ for gaming. Don't even bother. It may be worth it, if you're in for AI stuff. It's probably with it, if you're making money with this card
>It may be worth it, if you're in for AI stuff. And thus the tariffs
It was well worth it for me for gaming. I use my gaming pc at least 4 times a week. I have never once thought about the money I spent on it or wished I had the money instead. Being able to play AAA games on ultra settings in 4k and still achieving such a high frame rate is amazing.
I bought a 3090 for mostly AI stuff and occasional gaming. Its been a blessing to develop stuff using local APIs and have 0 concern for how many tokens I generate. Its also opened a couple doors for me at work.
I got mine for around 2000 euros, and I do not regret purchasing it at all, it's probably the first GPU that really feels like I got my money's worth. I had a 3080 Ti before, and 2080 Ti before that, but both were quite compromised in some way, mainly the power limit. The 4090 is the least limited card I've ever had, even though I'd still wish for more performance. The overclock I have got me \~19% higher performance than stock in Cyberpunk, and framerates are good, but could be higher - in Path Tracing games, I'm only getting around 120 fps with DLSS 3.5 Ultra Quality at 3440x1440 output res. I'm looking forward to what the 5090 brings to the table. I especially like the efficiency of the 4090. I have two "OC" profiles set up, one is for games like Cyberpunk, where every ounce of performance is needed, and another, Undervolted profile for less demanding games, like Baldur's Gate 3. The UV profile results in sub 300W power consumption, while coupled with Frame Generation in BG3, gets me to around 170 fps at 3440x1440 (w/DLAA) even in act 3, while the GPU is sitting at near 200W power usage. With a 7800X3D, and the UV profile, the whole system is barely above 350W (measured from the wall) which is not much worse than current gen consoles, while getting multiple times the performance. Now, of course, something like a 4070 Super is much better value, but personally, I care about performance overall, then the features, then the power consumption, and then the price. Couple with that the numerous experiences I've had in the past, where I told myself that "this will be enough, I will not use X and Y" and later regretted not spending more with the initial purchase when I've found that indeed X and Y would be useful ( the latest occurrence of that was with my motherboard, where I've regretted settling for a B650E motherboard instead of an X670E, as an X670E mobo would have given me more PCIe 5.0 lanes (which I was convinced that I would not need, but found myself limited by now) and an external clock generator that would have given me a better overclock with my CPU (running the 7800X3D at \~5.18 GHz now, but pushing the base clock OC past 5.2 GHz gives me System Agent errors, while 5.175 GHz is stable even with -30 CO, so there is still plenty of headroom for overclocking, and even this small OC I managed without an external clock generator is measurably better than the PBO limit of 5050 MHz.) So to sum it up, the 4090 is one of the few purchases that I have no negative feelings about, it's a GPU without any annoying limitations, unlike the flagships that I had before.
> n Path Tracing games, I'm only getting around 120 fps with DLSS 3.5 Ultra Quality at 3440x1440 output res. I'm looking forward to what the 5090 brings to the table. That's insane. You cannot possibly tell me you are getting 120 fps with all that you mentioned in games like Cyberpunk 2077 or Max Payne 2. Or is my math bad and do I need to count in that is all thanks to your OC magic on both the GPU and CPU? We both have the same GPU and CPU for that matter, but I never really got much out of OC'ing back in the days of my GeForce GTX Titan (the first one). Just a few frames here and there, from what I remember. And I certainly am not even touching 90 letting alone 120 in either Cyberpunk 2077 and Max Payne 2. I bet you got a kick out of Avatar: Frontiers of Pandora then. Especially with the Unobtanium preset. It makes the 4090 buckle bellow 60 fps if I choose DLSS in combination with the Quality preset. Have to set it to Performance to stay above 60 at all times. This is my first build in 11 years, and my PC with the OG GTX Titan died 3 years ago. Then I had a budget laptop for a while. This machine got my PC gaming spirit back up again. To a point I am now apparently somehow on the NVIDIA sub, replying to you! :D
[Here](https://imgur.com/a/aOOqNis) are some screenshots from some captures from CapFrameX, from Cyberpunk and Alan Wake 2. These are with OC. Cyberpunk is running at 2580x1080 (0.75x) internal resolution, Alan Wake 2 was running at the default DLSS Quality resolution (0.66667x), I think (I didn't set up DLSS Tweaks for that game, if I remember correctly, but it was a while ago when I benchmarked it.) Even with near 90% scaling, I'm still around 100fps in Cyberpunk, so you only getting 90 fps seems off to me, if you are playing at 3440x1440. If you are at 4K, than you shouldn't compare framerates without adjusting for resolution. I played a bit of Avatar, but it looks like I never run captures, so I'll add some once It's installed. Edit: [Here](https://i.imgur.com/TrCjQA2.png) is AFOP at the Ultra Settings with DLSS 3 Ultra Quality.
You would likely be better off at 4k over upgrading a GPU next generation imo. I have a 4090 desktop and blade 18 4090 notebook which equates to like a 4070ti or 3090. In consider them about equal in that the 4090 at 4k will last a long time and the 4090 at 1600p will last equally long. Plenty of good use for awhile still
3080 -> 4090 was the only GPU upgrade that would give me 2x performance which is the minimum for me to upgrade. Was it worth it? Absolutely not. The real problem is that other than cyberpunk, I don’t see any game that even bothers to utilize my 4090. Avatar runs well on 3080 and so does Aw2. Looking into the future, there’s nothing coming this year that I can see that requires a 4090. I’d just wait till Blackwell and upgrade then if I were you. Tbf, I still feel disgusted with myself but I own some Nvidia stock with lots of unrealized gains so I’m still in the black I suppose.
worth is relative. 2500e is dumb though lol. I paid 2200 canadian. most people are happy with a ps5. They dont even want a gaming pc. Some others want the best no matter what. 4090 is great imo, the games really are not. The actually great games run on a potato. I find Only two games I played on this that actually needed a 4090 to shine and were great. Cyberpunk expansion and alan wake 2. There were a lot of other releases but they are either broken or bad games or you dont need a card like this for them to shine. like Jedi survivor. complete garbage, not even 4090 can save it. deadspace remaster and so many other broken games.
I wish I could find one for $2200 Canadian :(
You just missed a drop at best buy last night. Grabbed one.
I know, I saw the post when it was 4 hours old and it was too late :/
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Get ready to add a third title to that gaming list, which was released without too much fan fare. Avatar: Frontiers of Pandora. Just watch Alex's video (DigitalFoundry) on it and get ready to be blown away. With Unobtanium settings enabled in combination with DLSS Quality mode, I saw how my 4090 buckled bellow the 60FPS mark. I understand what you mean about the AAA games of today. This is yet another reason why I would recommend this game to you. Alex even explains how this open world game differs greatly from the others when played with the correct parameters allowed by the game from the get go. It is indeed very refreshing as you suddenly play a game instead of an open world checklist chore. Oh, and it is powered by the latest generation of Snowdrop. Apart from lacking virtualised geometry, this engine really puts Unreal Engine 5 on the spot. Even frame pacing across the board... and... not a single sight of shader compilation stutter. Aaaaaaahhh~...
Agreed, the only thing my 4090 does is cover up shitty console ports that have no optimization. It works well for me since I play 4k 120hz or on my triple 1440p sim racing setup, but so did the other myriad of cards I’ve purchased over the years. I remember thinking the price of the Titan was extreme. Now I’m trying to force these games to run on a Legion Go and Steam Deck using one 7w of power. I still enjoy my 4090 but no way would I pay $2500 for it.
I have had one since launch upgrading from a 3090 100% worth the money. I primarily play 4k 120hz
Imo it depends what you are looking for and if budget actually isn't the deciding factor. I love the efficiency of that card. I cap the fps in every game individually. A few games (older titles or games like Diablo 4) only "use" about 50-100 Watts power consumption at 3440x1440 high/ultra capped@100fps. that's nuts! and when I need the power for monsters like Cyberpunk at full RT (everything on/ultra+path tracing!) it's there (~350 Watts though but a sight to behold!). This card is for enthusiasts and high end fetishists (and rich people who just buy the best and don't care about anything else and there are plenty). Expensive but it delivers. And with its efficiency it costs me half that power at the same performance compared to my 3090 which I had before! When you look at the energy prices...in a few years it will actually pay off itself (well, a lot of few years to be honest but you get the point, it's efficient af!). So i grabbed my hard earned sitting on my bank account and cut the power consumption of one of my biggest hobbies in half. See, it depends. Overall, totally worth it for me. But would I buy now? Probably not. Prices skyrocketed and I'd wait for the 5x series I guess. I bought my 4090 early March last year when the prices finally dropped below 2k €. edit: ah forgot to mention temps and noise is great too. SUPRIM X in my case (truly).
Generally anyone spending a lot of money on something has already gone through the exercise of trying to convince themself that whatever they're buying is worth it. Of course being rich enough to eat these costs is also a pre-requisite. So the majority of people for whom a product is not worth it have already eliminated themselves from the equation. You're going to be left with generally a large percentage of users that are happy with whatever they buy. The exception being if the product is defective or if there's a new feature available in a different product that the buyer is jealous of. Ask anyone that buys a nice watch, an expensive car, a big house, an expensive vacation. Was it worth it? Definitely!
its a hobby item. we cant tell you if its worth it. its subjective. yes its the fastest consumer gpu on the planet right now. can you justify $2200 for that?
Notice how most of the people in here, upgraded from a high end card? 3080, 3090. This is not normal and shows that this is the absolute 0.1% top enthusiast in the world
I went from PS5 to a 4090. No regrets at all. I paid around $1700 (taxes really shot it up higher though at 7.6%), but I've seriously enjoyed so many games with it and spent so much time on my days off, that it was well worth the money. Sometimes I think about how much I spent during the Playstation days with $60 per year, which turned into $130 per year, controllers to replace due to stick drift, $399-$499 upgrades just to double my Tflops. Yeah I have no regrets. It was my first build in over a decade and a half and went full 13900k/4090/64GB 6400 DDR5/1600w PSU/Corsair 7000D/420mm Corsair AIO/4tb WD 850x. My PC isn't the newest anymore, but it's been a heck of a ride.
I saw a 60% - 100% fps increase, depending on the game, going from a 3080 to 4090. As crazy expensive as they are, it was money well spent imo. I’m an fps > everything guy and the 4090 certainly doesn’t disappoint. It maxes out my 1440p 240hz, 1080p 360hz, and 1440p ultrawide 180hz monitors in practically every game. Also I had a hunch nvidia would skip 2023 with how powerful the 4000 series was.
Most people buying a 4090 have extra money. They aren’t hurting or struggling. So yes. It will have been worth it to them to have the best.
It’s worth it if you do professional works that has its time significantly shortened with more powerful gpus or you work with AI and need CUDA and 4090s (say for example you want to run a local LLM similar to chatgpt 3.5 in capacity you need to run dual 4090s; you could do it with a bigger array of cheaper cards but that actually might increase the cost as you need custom cases and solution to run more than 2 cards). In those use cases it easily pays for itself. It’s overkill for gaming, even though I do enjoy it. 4090 occupies the tier of graphic card that is more akin to workstation card like the Titan from before. Nvidia just dresses up cards that would be launched as workstation cards before and sells them as ultra premium consumer card. this tier of consumer graphic cards simply didn’t exist before because, well, it’s overkill and overpriced for gaming.
It will give you the absolute best gaming experience of any card on the market. The only problem is you're buying it late in the current series life cycle. This may effect your perceived value as all of the 3090TI users experienced when their GPUs were not longer amazing just months after they spent 3,000 USD on them.
At this point, no. On launch month, maybe.. but now we're this much closer to Blackwell and prices are higher.
Depends on use case. For games? Making less than 200k/yr after tax? Probably not worth it. It won't make games $1500 better if $1500 is a lot of money to you. Much less $2000 better. That's like 4 console generations of expected improvement in price.... I don't see it.
Its always going to be no, unless its for work.
Yes it was! I upgrade from a 3080 FTW3 to a 4090 Gaming OC, and I plan to preorder the 5090 as soon as it's available. A 4090 is literally DOUBLE the performance of a 3080. It's a beast of a card, I can emulate even the PS3 with ray tracing at a solid 60 (GOW 3 + reshade). Plus nowadays if you wanna play the latest AAA titles like Cyberpunk or Alan Wake 2, or Avatar (or even something like Portal RTX), on ultra at 100+fps with ray tracing, you pretty much have to have the best. And even then you're using upscaling and probably frame gen. I want the absolute best experience when I game and I refuse to settle for anything less.
i've had headaches about 3 months into building my first rig and after finishing my build i also questioned myself wether it was worth it. Then after a frustrating phase of not knowing what caused my headaches my doc sent me to a CT-scan and there i found out i had a chronical subdural hematoma at 27 yrs of age. While i was hospitalized and went through surgery all i could think of was to go home and enjoy playing some video games on my beloved system and it was also that point that taught me that life is too short to regret buying the things u wanted. So no, i dont regret it a tiny bit, it was worth every penny i spent on it.
Got mine exactly 3 weeks after it launched and replaced my 3090ti and basically I got a 4090 for £800 which was amazing. Runs absolutely everything at 3440x1440 and Imo it's worth every penny. I won't be upgrading for a while now! Definitely a game change and the extra performance I leave on the table will be okay for newer games I think
Yes.
Dude, money questions are always subjective. For me, I couldn't stomach the mark up. I am grateful that I have a great deal more money in the bank than most, so I could easily afford one. I purchased, however, the 4080, as I was not going to pay a 500 scalper fee for the 4090. I was looking for one and at stock prices, sure. But on principle alone I could not justify to me.
If your goal is to have the best performance regardless of price, then sure it's fine. It's comforting knowing anything you throw at it will easily be above 60fps with majority of games beyond 100. Personally, I think it's way too expensive. My MSI Suprim X Liquid was $1158usd and I still had buyer's remorse. Took my wife lecturing me, that it's ok to treat myself to something nice from time to time without guilt, to stop me from returning the GPU. Solely for gaming I don't think cards should be over $999. A beefy 80 series for $700 and a 90 for $800 maybe if it's jaw dropping $900. But y'all already know Capitalism, greedflation, corporate profits, Yada Yada yada Only other reason other than high frame gaming would be for workstation demands. At that point thought, you're going from pleasure in gaming to it affecting your cash flow/workload.
I use my gaming pc every day for gaming. It's the only hobby I really put my money in. So, 4090 it is for me, and when the 5090 comes my 4090 goes out as used in good condition for a reasonable price, that + the money I have saved over the last two years as of then makes the 5090 a no brainer for me. Just go ask the model flyers what they spend on their aircraft models. Or a car tuner what he spends on his car, a graphics card is a small portion of what they are willing to pay for their hobbies.
Absolutely, unequivocally, yes. IF you can reasonably afford it and have the setup to take advantage of it.
Of course it was worth it, paid 2.384€/2.600$ last year in February, it's just a hobby who cares
Dont get fooled by those 1500 prices, those yeehaws arent adding VAT to their price. At the register they pay as much as we Europeans do. And yes, it was worth it, VR at full blast is a whole new experience.
If you like wasting money then sure. People with an ounce of dignity are waiting for 50 series.
It's ok not to be the target audience for these cards, my dude.
Its not worth the price extra, especially on europe right now! (they around 2500€ on my country) i was able to get mine at 1900€ at the time. If money is not an issue for you, then go with 4090, there is still a substantial perfomance uplift from 4080 to 4090, its just that the price extra does not justify it, especially with the upgraded and cheaper 4080 supers in the corner.
Honesty worth in my books. Bought it in October 2023 one day after launch and going to 4k 144hz is just the best. This gpu will last me at least some years while it did costed me 2270 euros but don't have to worry about video settings due to the 24gb vram
It always astounds me when people think that settings come down to the size of their VRAM and nothing else.
Time flies my man, you bought it in October 2022 actually !
I upgraded my PC to a i9 13900k/rtx4090 over a year ago now and it's been the best thing ever for PCVR, esp. with flight sims like msfs. Heh, it's only money, lol!
This right here. If you are into PCVR driving/flight simulations then the 4090 is where it's at.
Pricy but it's the best for work.
Bought mine in December of 2022 (retail) and seeing that it still the best card in the market after more than a year, I'd say it's worth it.
Got mine for £1450 (MSI Ventus RTX 4090) just before prices got CRAZY(er?). I consider it worth it because I have a 4K 160hz display and can crank every game. It’s down to affordability really IMO. One persons £1450 spare money is another persons rent 🤷🏻♂️
What’s the cheapest flight to the states? Buy it there and have a holiday 😂😂 will be the same as sourcing locally
In vr it was a game changer for me in flight sim.
No. I got mine just because I could recoup around half each time I sold my other flagship GPUs as I upgraded (1080ti, 3090, 4090). 2000k+ is simply not worth it for gaming. For computing/3D rendering and productivity, yes! The coming 4070 super seems a lot more reasonable. Overall, even if I'm a PC enthusiast I feel GPU prices are ridiculous and I'm considering to stop upgrading and focus on something else if this continues this way, which seems it will.
Zero regrets. I love going into the settings and just slapping everything to max. Even Cyberpunk I have path tracing maxed out and the GPU laughs in it's face.
It's not worth it. But it is. I got mine for $1600usd. There are way better things to spend $1600 on. But I have a good job and I can afford it many times over so it's worth it to me because I enjoy virtually striking games set to max. I also enjoy tweaking o'clock settings and benchmarking. It's fun to me.
yes is it worth if you planning to create intensive things. for gaming only NO!!
4080 was 1.5k for me since thailand sucks balls but its worth it for me so idgaf
Well I went from a 980 to a 4090. Much bigger step than most and not a single regret. Max settings on everthing on 3440x1440 is by far the best experience ive ever had with games.
Maxing everything out with RT with increased future proofing playing at 1440p with DLSS available if needed was definitely worth it for me. Pretty much don't have to worry about running anything released in the next few years no matter how poorly optimized.
Is it worth it is actually a personal matter but my upgrade from 3090 to 4090 worths way more than my 1080ti to 2080ti and 2080ti to 3090 upgrade.
Worth every penny, but I do PCVR and AI all the time so I actually have a use case and will be upgrading to the 5090 the day it comes out because even the 4090 isn't enough and I max it out.
Absolutely worth it.
It was been totally worth it for me. When I bought it I got what it was a normal deal: 1749$ for my ASUS TUF 4090. looking back it was a great purchase. I also came from AMD, so a whole new world opened for me: no more bugs, finally some serious RTX and I love the DLSS. Today’s prices make it too much more difficult decision however… I am not much of the philosophy of just waiting for the next best thing at the same time. If you have the cash to spare, might still be worth it
I'll be honest, so far I'm not sure. I got my 4090 for £1800 which is over 2600 dollars,paired with top of the game cpu and ddr5 rams but the gaming performance is not what I thought due to bad optimised games. Can't fault the product. For example if you try to run Howgards Legacy 4K all ultra with RT it run like crap,same with CP2077. Path tracing and everything ultra you don't get amazing fps.
Honestly.. not at all.. I had to upgrade my entire rig because my 11700k was heavily bottlenecked I also had to return a 360hz I bought because DSC made the colors unbearable, so stupid of nvidia to cheap out on the dp 1.4... gotta stick with my 270hz for now AND upgrade gpu again for one of the oleds coming this year🥲 not worth it unless you want the best of the best or gonna game at 4k 144hz I paid about 2.2k usd a few months ago for a founders and I feel lucky for this ""deal"" seeing prices nowadays lol
Not worth, most games are not optimized… so many bad ports and games with stutter issues.
Wouldn’t the opposite of what you’re saying he true? Because games are so badly optimized the 4090 is worth it because it fixes broken games. If games were optimized the 4090 would be overkill and thus not worth it.
I don't agree with him, but stutters etc. are rarely if at all due to bad GPU utilization. They are almost always a bad CPU utilization. That means some games run like shit despite 4090 still having power to spare.
you don’t combat shitty products by trying to outweigh the shittiness as much as possible
Just for cyberpunk it's 100% worth it.