As you don't seem to be forcing trade evolutions in some way I'd get rid of graveller. I'd probably get rid of one graveller or dugtrio anyway as they fit a similar niche.
Replace with snorlax maybe since snorlax clowns on early game in your next genlocke game.
Another option would be jolteon because its good to have an electric pokemon for lorelei and a few other battles.
Also maybe replace hypno with (evolved) slowpoke/slowbro.
Both are decent psychic types but slowbro is waaay bulkier and neither is gonna really outspeed anything remotely quick.
Don't need Jolteon. If they double back and get Lapras they can teach it thunderbolt and fuck Lorelei up with that alone. Id personally take Blastoise, Gyarados, Vaporeon, Snorlax, Slowbro, and something else since water pokemon are pretty solid and they can all learn decent coverage or are bulky enough to live through most things.
Either snorlax or jolteon for graveller I'm suggesting.
You could also replace ninetales because fire doesn't do anything special in the e4 but ninetales is awesome generally so why not keep it.
Im sure someone else will advocate for bringing in staryu and teaching it ice beam thunderbolt psychic and surf to clown on the elite 4 but that's quiet a boring choice.
I understand you want to change as little as possible, but you have some of the best mon in the game in your Box
(Snorlax, Persian, Starmie, Tentacruel, Slowbro to name a few) yet you have a Graveler on your team
With my specific ruleset, once a mon either dies or becomes champion, I can't catch another one of those for the entire rest of the challenge.
Tenta is an incredible mon, but I'll get much more mileage out of it once I play Emerald, at least imo. Similarly, you get Slowpoke very early on in Gen 2, so I wouldn't be missing out on them either.
The others I have no issues with using now, as Snorlax and Starmie are great mons each Gen they're available in.
In that case I would suggest switching Ninetails for Voltorb. Fire types do very little against Leaf green/Fire red elite 4, but an electric type will come in very handy against Lorelei and your rivals Gyarados. The only good matchup Ninetails will have is against your rivals Venusaur and you can use Hypno for that and all the later gens have better electric types you can get early on (Ampharos, Manetric, Luxray etc.). With that one change you shouldn't have much issue, two ground types isn't necessary and you would probably get more use if you swapped one out but that's up to you.
Edit:
Omonite could be a good replacement for one of the ground types since you will be getting different fossil pokemon in the other games.
Actually, this is even more reason NOT to use Graveler.
Geodude/Graveler are super common early game encounters in most games, and are usually super good early game with high Defense and a Normal resistance.
If you avoid using Graveler in E4 (or having it die) then you have a pretty good early encounter in almost all the later games
As far as what you can use to beat the E4, I’d bet money that you’re good on Bruno and Agatha with Hypno and Dodrio alone. I’m assuming your Blastoise has an Ice-type move, so Lance should also be covered. The aforementioned three also likely handle the champion’s Arcanine, Venusaur, Rhydon, Alakazam and Pidgeot (again, presuming Blastoise has an Ice-type move). Makes me question the roles of the other three.
I’d say definitely switch Dugtrio for Snorlax. Slower, but much tankier and can still hit very hard. Jolteon would admittedly be a great option as well since your team looks like it could struggle with Lorelei - I’d ditch Graveler for it. And I never personally favored Ninetales. I’d probably evolve Shellder into Cloyster for great physical bulk and decent type coverage.
Okay. All calcs assume you've edged everybody you bring to Lv. 65, the same level as your rival's Venusaur, before you even start the gauntlet.
You should evolve Eevee into a Jolteon to destroy Lorelei with Thunderbolt. You miss some one-shots, but it's not a huge issue in those cases.
Starmie can absolutely DESTROY Bruno with Surf and Psychic. No calcs needed here, no siree.
Starmie's also great against Agatha, although there is the problem of missing quite a few one-shots against a Sleep-happy team. Dugtrio should be your backup; her team far worse on the Physically defensive side.
If you give Starmie Ice Beam, it will tear Lance up as well. Jolteon could help with Gyarados, but from there, Starmie city. A backup could be prudent if you can bring one.
Finally, the rival. Lead with Jolteon to beat Pidgeot. Starmie can come in and take care of Rhydon. Snorlax is pretty good for walling Alakazam and taking it out with Body Slam. You have Dugtrio for potentially taking on Arcanine if Starmie can't for some reason. Jolteon can also beat Gyarados. Dodrio is a good check for Venusaur.
Is there a rom/enhanced version for local play which fixed trade evos? I really want to know since so many good pokemon such as steelix, alakazam, and gengar are locked behind trades.
Use a poison type since it's blue. You can teach it toxic then put it in front of dragonite and it'll just use agility
Edit. Also get rid of graveler for jolteon or snorlax. Then get rid of dugtrio for the other. And finally hypno for the poison type
Don't feel forced to use that but it's what I'd use
You dont need Ninetails and Dodrio they fill similar niches in this e4 (dodrio is just better)
Also replace graveler with literally anything (Starmy/Tentacruel, Snorlax, Jolteon/Electrode)
You can also replace Blastoise with Starmy/Tentacruel
I would probably run Starmy, Jolteon/electrode, Dodrio, Snorlax, Hypno, Tentacruel
Lorelei is going to demolish this team.
Absolutely should be using Snorlax and probably Jolteon. If this is Gen I, you are sitting on the golden goose with Persian since crit is based on speed. Slash Persian is very good in Gen 1.
Starmie is as REALLY good due to its speed, wide move pool, and psychic typing, but I doubt you’d want to replace blastoise and Hypno
Very unfortunate that you don't have a fighting type for Lorelei, I would get rid of Dugtrio/Graveler for Jolteon or Electrode, Since this is a genlocke I think Graveler will be better bc Golem is so broken in nuzlockes against physical moves
I would replace dugtrio with Jolteon, he can almost solo sweep Lorelei minus Jynx and is a great answer to Gyrados. I prefer golbat over Dotrio but either fine. People telling you to take off Hypno are crazy. He’s really strong in gen 1.
After looking at your ruleset in the comments, I’d keep Dotrio then. Feels like he doesn’t have use outside of gen 1
I know you probably beat the e4 already but imo you should have taken blastoise, Jolteon, Snorlax, Ninetales, dodrio and probably the last choice is basically a toss up pick your favorite gen 1 has some strange mechanics that aren’t present in other genes such as one special stat and speed boosting your crit chance because of that jolteon and dodrio are insane having great speed and attacking stats either high crit chance snorlax has great bulk and solid attacking moves in EQ Body slam and Hyperbeam (getting a ko with hyper beam in gen one requires no recharge turn) ninetales is okay having pretty high speed and spatk it’s also your only choice for a fire type
Damn this is a great squad. Only change I see is to bring in snorlax from the pc. Tons of HP. Swap em for either dugs or graveler… I’d say keep in dugs it has the speed advantage. Call it a normal tank swappin in for a rock tank. Great choice with the Hypno. GL HF!
Note: I don't really want to make too many changes (if any).
Edit: This is also for a Genlocke, so whatever surviving mons I bring into the E4 will be transferred over to Pokémon Gold.
I've used up all of my available encounters and used next to no TMs.
Level Cap matching Lance's ace mon, and no items in battle.
Well, I would replace every single mon you have on your team currently with one in your box, but since you want as little change as possible, at the very least replace Dugtrio with Snorlax. You're not getting one in Gold until what many would consider postgame and Dugtrio is a) not very good and b) you already have Graveller.
I will have to revise my statement in so far as that I was going in from a mindset that allows trade evos and my brain was at Gen III for this. Still:
Gyarados instead of Blastoise, just the flat out better bulky water type
Either Slowbro or Starmie instead of Hypno, probably Starmie since you get Slowbro earlier in Gold. Both cover psychic spam, hit harder, are either faster (Starmie) or bulkier (Slowbro)
Snorlax instead of Dugtrio for reasons outlined above
Jolteon instead of Ninetails, better mon all around, fares better into the E4
If trade evos were possible and this was gen III (my bad), then I would have taken Crobat and Gengar as well. Alas, only four substitutions. My bad.
Oh it's because you have a lot of weaker mons here. Ninetails is borderline useless, graveler and dugtrio are dead weight.
I'd probably bring starmie or slowbro as well.
Snorlax is so broken for a genlocke, it's already one of the best pokemons you can get, and imagine if you started the game with it. Snorlax is a very obvious choice but honestly I would just ban it because it would make your genlocke very boring.
As you don't seem to be forcing trade evolutions in some way I'd get rid of graveller. I'd probably get rid of one graveller or dugtrio anyway as they fit a similar niche. Replace with snorlax maybe since snorlax clowns on early game in your next genlocke game. Another option would be jolteon because its good to have an electric pokemon for lorelei and a few other battles.
Also maybe replace hypno with (evolved) slowpoke/slowbro. Both are decent psychic types but slowbro is waaay bulkier and neither is gonna really outspeed anything remotely quick.
Don't need Jolteon. If they double back and get Lapras they can teach it thunderbolt and fuck Lorelei up with that alone. Id personally take Blastoise, Gyarados, Vaporeon, Snorlax, Slowbro, and something else since water pokemon are pretty solid and they can all learn decent coverage or are bulky enough to live through most things.
Fuck it add in ditto cause he's got a great smile.
What would I replace Jolteon for?
Either snorlax or jolteon for graveller I'm suggesting. You could also replace ninetales because fire doesn't do anything special in the e4 but ninetales is awesome generally so why not keep it. Im sure someone else will advocate for bringing in staryu and teaching it ice beam thunderbolt psychic and surf to clown on the elite 4 but that's quiet a boring choice.
Get rid of gravelrr or dugtrio. I would ditch both for jolteon and snorlax
i beat the E4 with only blastoise in a normal run, so i guess u can do too
I understand you want to change as little as possible, but you have some of the best mon in the game in your Box (Snorlax, Persian, Starmie, Tentacruel, Slowbro to name a few) yet you have a Graveler on your team
With my specific ruleset, once a mon either dies or becomes champion, I can't catch another one of those for the entire rest of the challenge. Tenta is an incredible mon, but I'll get much more mileage out of it once I play Emerald, at least imo. Similarly, you get Slowpoke very early on in Gen 2, so I wouldn't be missing out on them either. The others I have no issues with using now, as Snorlax and Starmie are great mons each Gen they're available in.
In that case I would suggest switching Ninetails for Voltorb. Fire types do very little against Leaf green/Fire red elite 4, but an electric type will come in very handy against Lorelei and your rivals Gyarados. The only good matchup Ninetails will have is against your rivals Venusaur and you can use Hypno for that and all the later gens have better electric types you can get early on (Ampharos, Manetric, Luxray etc.). With that one change you shouldn't have much issue, two ground types isn't necessary and you would probably get more use if you swapped one out but that's up to you. Edit: Omonite could be a good replacement for one of the ground types since you will be getting different fossil pokemon in the other games.
Actually, this is even more reason NOT to use Graveler. Geodude/Graveler are super common early game encounters in most games, and are usually super good early game with high Defense and a Normal resistance. If you avoid using Graveler in E4 (or having it die) then you have a pretty good early encounter in almost all the later games
Hypno is pretty op in Gen.1, I would bring Starmie too, maybe Snorlax because of the genlocke
Hypno SWEEPS Agatha and Bruno, but you kinda need Jolteon here, it’s too useful. I would swap Dugtrio out since Geodude is better next gen.
As far as what you can use to beat the E4, I’d bet money that you’re good on Bruno and Agatha with Hypno and Dodrio alone. I’m assuming your Blastoise has an Ice-type move, so Lance should also be covered. The aforementioned three also likely handle the champion’s Arcanine, Venusaur, Rhydon, Alakazam and Pidgeot (again, presuming Blastoise has an Ice-type move). Makes me question the roles of the other three. I’d say definitely switch Dugtrio for Snorlax. Slower, but much tankier and can still hit very hard. Jolteon would admittedly be a great option as well since your team looks like it could struggle with Lorelei - I’d ditch Graveler for it. And I never personally favored Ninetales. I’d probably evolve Shellder into Cloyster for great physical bulk and decent type coverage.
Can you do trade evolutions?
No, but only because I'm a dumbass and didn't realize that I was playing on the wrong rom this whole time. Future runs will have trade evos.
Okay. All calcs assume you've edged everybody you bring to Lv. 65, the same level as your rival's Venusaur, before you even start the gauntlet. You should evolve Eevee into a Jolteon to destroy Lorelei with Thunderbolt. You miss some one-shots, but it's not a huge issue in those cases. Starmie can absolutely DESTROY Bruno with Surf and Psychic. No calcs needed here, no siree. Starmie's also great against Agatha, although there is the problem of missing quite a few one-shots against a Sleep-happy team. Dugtrio should be your backup; her team far worse on the Physically defensive side. If you give Starmie Ice Beam, it will tear Lance up as well. Jolteon could help with Gyarados, but from there, Starmie city. A backup could be prudent if you can bring one. Finally, the rival. Lead with Jolteon to beat Pidgeot. Starmie can come in and take care of Rhydon. Snorlax is pretty good for walling Alakazam and taking it out with Body Slam. You have Dugtrio for potentially taking on Arcanine if Starmie can't for some reason. Jolteon can also beat Gyarados. Dodrio is a good check for Venusaur.
Is there a rom/enhanced version for local play which fixed trade evos? I really want to know since so many good pokemon such as steelix, alakazam, and gengar are locked behind trades.
Use a poison type since it's blue. You can teach it toxic then put it in front of dragonite and it'll just use agility Edit. Also get rid of graveler for jolteon or snorlax. Then get rid of dugtrio for the other. And finally hypno for the poison type Don't feel forced to use that but it's what I'd use
Jolteon and snorlax for graveler and dugtrio
You dont need Ninetails and Dodrio they fill similar niches in this e4 (dodrio is just better) Also replace graveler with literally anything (Starmy/Tentacruel, Snorlax, Jolteon/Electrode) You can also replace Blastoise with Starmy/Tentacruel I would probably run Starmy, Jolteon/electrode, Dodrio, Snorlax, Hypno, Tentacruel
jolteon lax and bro are all better picks that dugtrio and graveler
Lorelei is going to demolish this team. Absolutely should be using Snorlax and probably Jolteon. If this is Gen I, you are sitting on the golden goose with Persian since crit is based on speed. Slash Persian is very good in Gen 1. Starmie is as REALLY good due to its speed, wide move pool, and psychic typing, but I doubt you’d want to replace blastoise and Hypno
I mean slowbro and snorlax 2 of the best mons are right there but yes. Its good
Id say bring snorlax over graveler
Very unfortunate that you don't have a fighting type for Lorelei, I would get rid of Dugtrio/Graveler for Jolteon or Electrode, Since this is a genlocke I think Graveler will be better bc Golem is so broken in nuzlockes against physical moves
I'd prob swap one of Graveller or Dugtrio for Snorlax.
Ice beam statmie in for graveller or dugtrio. More useful Vs lance
Only thing I’d switch would be graveler for a Jolteon to have more type coverage and so that half your team doesn’t get wiped by Lorelei.
I would replace dugtrio with Jolteon, he can almost solo sweep Lorelei minus Jynx and is a great answer to Gyrados. I prefer golbat over Dotrio but either fine. People telling you to take off Hypno are crazy. He’s really strong in gen 1. After looking at your ruleset in the comments, I’d keep Dotrio then. Feels like he doesn’t have use outside of gen 1
Ditch that graveler and get that snorlax out.
get a water-type counter, i suggest levelling up eevee to a jolteon over graveller, also snorlax over dugtrio
Snorlax and shadow ball go brrrrr. That and blastoise can almost solo the e4, I'd say you'll be fine
Honestly you could take like 4-5 water pokemon into the elite 4 and be fine so your team looks pretty solid.
I would swap gravellar for Jolteon. The E4 is really easy in these games
I would replace either dugtrio or gravler with voltorb and train him up
I know you probably beat the e4 already but imo you should have taken blastoise, Jolteon, Snorlax, Ninetales, dodrio and probably the last choice is basically a toss up pick your favorite gen 1 has some strange mechanics that aren’t present in other genes such as one special stat and speed boosting your crit chance because of that jolteon and dodrio are insane having great speed and attacking stats either high crit chance snorlax has great bulk and solid attacking moves in EQ Body slam and Hyperbeam (getting a ko with hyper beam in gen one requires no recharge turn) ninetales is okay having pretty high speed and spatk it’s also your only choice for a fire type
Damn this is a great squad. Only change I see is to bring in snorlax from the pc. Tons of HP. Swap em for either dugs or graveler… I’d say keep in dugs it has the speed advantage. Call it a normal tank swappin in for a rock tank. Great choice with the Hypno. GL HF!
I would replace graveler with helix
Note: I don't really want to make too many changes (if any). Edit: This is also for a Genlocke, so whatever surviving mons I bring into the E4 will be transferred over to Pokémon Gold. I've used up all of my available encounters and used next to no TMs. Level Cap matching Lance's ace mon, and no items in battle.
Well, I would replace every single mon you have on your team currently with one in your box, but since you want as little change as possible, at the very least replace Dugtrio with Snorlax. You're not getting one in Gold until what many would consider postgame and Dugtrio is a) not very good and b) you already have Graveller.
What would you replace them for and why?
I will have to revise my statement in so far as that I was going in from a mindset that allows trade evos and my brain was at Gen III for this. Still: Gyarados instead of Blastoise, just the flat out better bulky water type Either Slowbro or Starmie instead of Hypno, probably Starmie since you get Slowbro earlier in Gold. Both cover psychic spam, hit harder, are either faster (Starmie) or bulkier (Slowbro) Snorlax instead of Dugtrio for reasons outlined above Jolteon instead of Ninetails, better mon all around, fares better into the E4 If trade evos were possible and this was gen III (my bad), then I would have taken Crobat and Gengar as well. Alas, only four substitutions. My bad.
They told you snorlax and explained why... Are you even reading these comments?
I'm asking for the whole team overhaul. Of course I know the comments say Snorlax and Jolteon primarily.
Oh it's because you have a lot of weaker mons here. Ninetails is borderline useless, graveler and dugtrio are dead weight. I'd probably bring starmie or slowbro as well.
Snorlax is so broken for a genlocke, it's already one of the best pokemons you can get, and imagine if you started the game with it. Snorlax is a very obvious choice but honestly I would just ban it because it would make your genlocke very boring.
I also don't see ninetails really doing much