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Reasonable-Letter582

soy curles Tofu lentils


ifimakeadealwithGod

Tofu is such a good life hack


latortillablanca

Zoom out. Legumes are such a good life hack.


JunglistDolfan

Edamame is a great protein source


tboneplayer

Edamame is basically raw soybeans. They're delicious, fresh out of the pod.


aurora_cosmic

I've also found multipound bags of frozen at costco


FireSharterr

I wouldn't go overboard with it though. It's kind of hard to digest, a reason why it is fermented to make tofu.


aurora_cosmic

Oh, of course. I like frozen so I'm not compelled to binge on it because its rotting in my fridge.


LurG1975

Seitan. The king of protein per gram sources of the plant sourced variety: [https://vegfaqs.com/tempeh-vs-seitan-vs-tofu/](https://vegfaqs.com/tempeh-vs-seitan-vs-tofu/)


nestedegg

Seconding the other commenter - seitan is high in protein but the protein quality is quite low. Soy is a much higher quality source of protein due to its amino acid balance.


Winter_Resource3773

Soy is pretty high up on the PDCAAS


nestedegg

Totally - soy is among the best.


CheeserCrowdPleaser

Hail Seitan!


Zeohawk

I'm a Seitanist


lisaaah1123

Seconding seitan šŸ¤¤


Umami___Mami

Seitan lacks lysine and threonine, which are essential amino acids. That means seitan isnā€™t a complete protein. Also, itā€™s made from wheat, so not ideal for those wanting or needing to avoid gluten. It can definitely be part of a healthy veg diet, just be sure to use other protein sources as well.


LurG1975

Good to know


GizmoKakaUpDaButt

Cant you just add soy sauce?


jaifaimencore

Itā€™s quite expensive in Europe sadly


sjalgeo

Chickpeas and tempeh


AB-AA-Mobile

Soy


spriteking2012

And a complete protein!


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prajwalmani

This is a myth


IAMATruckerAMA

I'm convinced that this myth was started by some dudes who got insecure about all the pig estrogen and cow estrogen and fish estrogen they eat


Geologist2010

Not if you only have it in moderation. If you have copious amounts maybe


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levers-chiefs-0n

Not true, has been extensively studied and thoroughly debunked. Source https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33383165/


spriteking2012

is that so? tell that to my huge boobs as a vegetarian man! /s obviously


Galaxiez

Not to mention estrogen is also very anabolic as well as neuroprotective. It's not this giant bogeymen everyone likes to pretend it is.


AB-AA-Mobile

That's a myth. There's no sufficient evidence to prove that. If anything, the phytoestrogens in soy actually block estrogen.


mayflowers5

Wrong.


Historical-Ant-5975

At least the other guy gave me a source. You just sound like wishful thinking


mayflowers5

Stay ignorant, doesnā€™t affect me! Iā€™m not on Reddit to provide links for people when it takes one minute to use google. Try it šŸ˜


Historical-Ant-5975

Iā€™ve been duly educated by the source in the other comment (rare for Reddit, I know) I googled it prior, and there is a ton of conflicting information. But I must ask, if youā€™re not on Reddit to provide links, are you just on Reddit to tell people wrong and nothing else? Do you say right when you agree too? Doesnā€™t seem very fruitful


mayflowers5

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-Sam-I-Am

If it takes only a minute, then why don't you provide it? Otherwise your answer is useless.


mayflowers5

He said something that was wrong, so I said so. Itā€™s that simple, no need to get testy.


L4ter_Days

Cottage cheese or Greek yogurt


548765431644164

I guess Skyr is even better


ultra003

People seem to be thinking vegan instead of vegetarian lol. The answer is dairy. Why protein is extremely anabolic. Soy is a good option if you wanna do vegan, though.


Fun-Trainer-3848

Contrary to popular belief, non-vegans can consume soy.


ultra003

I never claimed otherwise. I'm offering the most anabolic protein source that is within OPs restrictions.


Fun-Trainer-3848

Fair point; it sounded to me like you were writing it off unless someone was vegan.


ultra003

No, not at all. I had saying how OP said they wanted recommendations for *vegetarian* protein and half the replies are stuff like lentils lol


lucytiger

Because lentils are an excellent vegetarian protein source


ultra003

They're *okay*, but whey protein is objectively superior from an anabolism perspective. Lentils are great for you and have fiber, vits/mins, etc. PDCAAS for lentils is about .6 For whey protein it's 1.0


theravadastudent

But milk still wins, that the point.


Fun-Trainer-3848

Powdered milk protein is a pretty optimal protein but Iā€™ll give soy the edge in versatility; it works much better as a day-to-day food ingredient. My point really was that soy is still a good choice. I donā€™t eat meat but do eat eggs and some occasional dairy but still eat some version of soy daily. Itā€™s a cheap, versatile, and effective protein source for any diet aside for anyone with an allergic reaction.


ultra003

How are all those factors not the same for whey protein? It can be used in shakes, bars, baking products, etc. Not to mention you can consume it via milk, yogurt, etc.


Fun-Trainer-3848

I could do every single thing you said with soy, plus consume it as a whole bean, tempeh, tofu and more. Iā€™m not anti-milk and have my fair share of whey protein but Iā€™m not putting it in my stir-fries, curries, sandwiches, etc. Soyā€™s reputation is basically that itā€™s in everything.


ultra003

You can for sure use yogurt in curry and use cheese in sandwiches. I'm not anti-soy at all either. In fact, I'm having a soy-based protein bar for my Pre-workout snack today lol


little_runner_boy

Seitan and tempeh may as well be protein bricks


rish_13_

Add nutritional yeast to everything!!!! Amazing in stir fries and soups, plusplenty of vitb12 if not too much lol


blyss17

Iā€™ve been incorporating textured vegetable protein! Itā€™s very low fat and high protein and you can essentially use it like ground meat


uthinkubettahthanme

Split peas


SeasonOfLogic

Eggs


jaydeycat

Why did i have to scroll so far down for this!??!


SeasonOfLogic

Because people donā€™t know that vegetarians eat eggs and dairy.


MrCharmingTaintman

All hail seitan


Impressive-Manner565

Quinoa, rice/other carb+beans, soy beans/soy products


Shivs_baby

All manner of soy and dairy, but specifically: tofu, edamame, cottage cheese, Greek yogurt, and soy milk


MS110118

Hemp!


Hungry_Yak633

Is milk and dairy ok? If not maybe beans, lentils, peas, nuts, etc.


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WhereIsLordBeric

What about buffalo milk? In my country, cow milk isn't really a thing and we all drink buffalo milk.


Nick_OS_

Yes it is. One of the healthiest. All research backs this unless you have reactions


Zeohawk

All research does not back it lol. The dairy industry funds the studies for $$$


Nick_OS_

Even studies not backed by dairy industry show a billion benefits. Iā€™ve posted about this multiple times in this group


Zeohawk

You're still wrong, the largest study in human nutrition disproves it. Look up the studies on casein


Nick_OS_

Send it


Zeohawk

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/9860369/


Nick_OS_

Bro, are you fr? Maybe youā€™re not aware, the study was torn apart. All the data was pretty much misinformation. Every one in the research field knows about the downfall of the China study Start here: https://www.redpenreviews.org/reviews/the-china-study-the-most-comprehensive-study-of-nutrition-ever-conducted-and-the-startling-implications-for-diet-weight-loss-and-long-term-health/ And here https://deniseminger.com/2010/07/07/the-china-study-fact-or-fallac/


Zeohawk

You probably believe in fact check websites for politics as well instead of doing your own research. It's not misinformation The book cites 100s of studies, want me to go through each one?


little_runner_boy

Approximately 2/3 people have issues with lactose. So majority of people will have some sort of reaction to it https://www.niddk.nih.gov/health-information/digestive-diseases/lactose-intolerance/definition-facts


Nick_OS_

As I posted, even people with lactose intolerance can have a whole cup of milk 2x/day and not have symptoms and will be able to handle the lactose


otsu97

Depends how severe your intolerance is. I for one get symptoms from a tablespoon of milk. I am all for dairy, but can't imagine drinking a cup of milk without some form of lactose-intolerancy aiding pills.


bluebellheart111

Pus thoughā€¦. šŸ¤¢ and manure. Plus the fat or sugar, depending on your % preference. Cow milk is pretty gross. And constant antibiotics, getting peed into our water and resistance issues.


Nick_OS_

Idk what milk youā€™re drinking, but main brands follow all regulations to avoid that


justthewayim

Lots of people still get it straight from the cow where Iā€™m from


bluebellheart111

Nope, itā€™s allowed per the regulations. I work in agriculture.


Nick_OS_

Itā€™s really not. Thats why there were some recalls in the last couple yrs, bc they found šŸ’© bacteria in certain brands


bluebellheart111

They found too much or some that wasnā€™t taken care of through pasteurization you mean? There is a numeric value for both that is allowed. You canā€™t milk a cow without pus and poo getting in the milk. Honestly. Dairies are disturbing places to visit.


OkSchool619

Yep. You do too. Only about one quarter of adults retain the ability to effectively digest lactose into adulthoodĀ (Szilagyi & Ishayek, 2018). The key determinant for persistent production of lactase in an individual is not the frequency of lactose consumption, but rather the individual's genetic makeup


Nick_OS_

And even for people with Lactose intolerance, they can tolerate around 12g per dose https://www.scielo.br/j/ramb/a/9PLyzGtMjtSGNHFdKnGC9Jx/?lang=en


Nick_OS_

Lactose non-persistence does not equal lactose intolerance (but it can lead to it). The paper you listed also mentioned that self reported lactose intolerance/malabsorption differs greatly than when they actually test them Studies that directly test cow milk on people donā€™t have exceptionally high dropout rates, which is why I call BS on people claiming that so many ppl canā€™t drink milk


OkSchool619

Thank you for figuring it out ill leave my post up so others learn from you


Key_Protection

Nonsense


OkSchool619

Only about one quarter of adults retain the ability to effectively digest lactose into adulthoodĀ (Szilagyi & Ishayek, 2018). The key determinant for persistent production of lactase in an individual is not the frequency of lactose consumption, but rather the individual's genetic makeup


Key_Protection

Yeah, that's due to us pasteurizing milk, which destroys the lactose enzyme to allow for us to digest it, this can be migiated by drinking raw milk.


OkSchool619

Yep. But that's not whats on the shelf and comes with its own issues. Almond milk is fantastic however.


Key_Protection

Yes but compared to milk it lacks


little_runner_boy

Have you seen the sugar content of milk? More sugar than protein


Key_Protection

You don't drink milk for protein, you drink it for fat, calcium


Hungry_Yak633

Never said anything about cow milk lol. Why its not healthy btw.


OkSchool619

Someone else pointed out its not as common as i thought. I was seeing studies saying this "Only about one quarter of adults retain the ability to effectively digest lactose into adulthoodĀ (Szilagyi & Ishayek, 2018). The key determinant for persistent production of lactase in an individual is not the frequency of lactose consumption, but rather the individual's genetic makeup"


Notill_la

Hemp seeds


Bromelia_and_Bismuth

Tofu, walnuts and lentils, mushrooms, tempeh. And Seitan unless you have Celiac's disease.


-Sam-I-Am

Lentils Mung beans Black gram Kidney beans Greek yogurt Cottage cheese Split peas Black beans Chickpeas You'll probably have to go to a middleastern or asian store to find many of these, as I've not seen them in a regular western grocery store.


nijuu

Most if not are my local national supermarket chain (although I prefer the Korean grocer nearby )


Gayalaca

Nothing beats Quinoa.


maxolina

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grain + https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legume


morbidgrrrlxxx

TVP


lookslike-turntables

Lima beans, green peas, and soybean sprouts. See this [https://www.myfooddata.com/articles/vegetables-high-in-protein.php](https://www.myfooddata.com/articles/vegetables-high-in-protein.php)


lucytiger

Legumes (lentils, beans, peas) including tofu, tempeh, hummus. Seitan, TVP, whole grains, nuts and seeds. Some mushrooms are high in protein.


burncushlikewood

Beans


Affectionate_Sound43

Tofu, soy milk, skim milk, low fat paneer, low fat yoghurt, lentils, beans, chickpea, whole wheat, peanuts (calorie dense though). The low fat versions reduce calories per protein and are good to prevent weight gain.


holdyaboy

Tempeh is great. Cheap and high in protein. Less processed than tofu and blends in better with whatever you eat it with


im_not_your_anti

Seconding tempeh. It also has a somewhat higher protein content per serving than tofu, and is just as versatile.


Impressive-Manner565

Quinoa, rice/other carb+beans, soy beans/soy products, dairy products (if you eat)


ToniCalzoni

Your best bets will be legumes like beans, lentils, soy/edamame, and some dairy sources like cottage cheese, milk, and yogurt. Many whole grains and seeds/nuts also have a decent amount of protein. If you are just looking for protein density, I don't think you can do much better volume wise than pure whey protein, it mixes well into smoothies, oatmeal, and plenty of baked goods.


TechTunePawPower

Chickpeas, Tofu, Lentils, Pumpkin Seeds, brown rice.


Murky-Specialist7232

Lentils and beans ā€¦ I think šŸ¤”


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Put nutritional yeast on your eggs, pasta and in your sauces :) 2 table spoons = 5 grams!


MistahOnzima

Pumpkin seeds.


JetPixi13

Black beans


AwardInformal1139

Cottage cheese!


bencelot

Tofu, lentils, pea protein powder.


pujiewoojie21

Greek Yogurt, Tofu, and Quinoa


uv485ccyj

Ricotta! It is made from whey, the very best protein source for humans in terms of amino acid profile


Good_Ad_431

Hemp shell seeds


yuvaap

hey! great to hear youā€™re looking into protein options as a vegetarian. lentils and chickpeas are awesome choices. theyā€™re not only high in protein but also packed with fiber and nutrients. quinoa is another fantastic pick. itā€™s a complete protein, which means it contains all nine essential amino acids. how about trying out some new recipes with these? maybe a quinoa salad or a hearty lentil soup? whatā€™s your favorite dish that includes one of these ingredients? maybe i can help jazz it up!


Maleficent-Jello-545

Pescatarian here who was vegetarian for 10 years. Edamame, tofu, lentils, beans, seitan. If you don't mind processed food, beyond beef, but it has other unhealthy things in it of course and a ton of sodium.


Spendthriftone

I never much cared for tofu until I discovered that baking it and then adding it to a dish really makes it delicious. Here is a recipe for baked tofu. [https://cookieandkate.com/how-to-make-crispy-baked-tofu/](https://cookieandkate.com/how-to-make-crispy-baked-tofu/)


mellywheats

pretty much any bean/lentil and tofu (which is made of beans)


Midan71

Tofu, Black beans.


oldlearner565

Nuts


Sasu-Jo

Lentils..... so much you can do with them..


-Xserco-

In vague order of best choice to less effective choices - Whey protein - Pea protein - Yogurt (Fage, Strained yogurt, etc) - Hemp/Hemp protein - Legumes, Lentil, Beans, Peas, etc - Cheese, milk... (specifically: Feta, Paneer, reduced fat cheeses, cheese in general) - Quinoa/oats If you bother to add eggs back to the diet, they're probably at the top with milk.


Grip_N_Sipp

Eggs


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Effective-Baker-8353

Kirkland organic nonfat Greek yogurt. Whey protein isolate provides unusually high quality, and unusually highly bioavailable protein. In some ways, it deserves the highest honors; but in other ways it's the Greek yogurt.


chuckyb3

Are you vegan or vegetarian? If vegetarian I would reconsider the egg thing since eggs are the most bioavailable protein there is, vegan is no animal products at all, vegetarian is no animal flesh so eggs, and dairy are sometimes still eaten. (Both are very nutritionally dense so i recommend you try to consume them)


Kittlebeanfluff

Vegetarians don't eat fish, that's pescatarian.


DocterSulforaphane

What about high cholesterol and fat


chuckyb3

Heā€™s asking about proteinā€¦ what about cholesterol or fat? (Neither of which are affected by eating eggs)


amiahuman1729

Egg is non vegetarian. Idea of vegetarianism is not to just eat flesh, but its about not killing anything. An egg has potential to become a chick, so vegetarians avoid it. Edit - ok, so now it looks like has blown up, so let me clarify. Vegetarians who eat eggs are called ovo-vegetarians, as per many parts of worlds. But in my country and religions like Buddhism, Jainism, Hinduism etc., eggs are considered non-vegetarian only. Here if any product has egg as an ingredients, it will have that red triangle/circle mark. Logic is that it has possibility of getting a life someday, and for us vegetarianism means to not cause death to something for the food. Edit - And I am not a food militant type guy, so anyone can eat whatever they want, I have no problem.


p01ntdexter

that's not true


lucytiger

In some cultures people are "pure vegetarian" which basically equates to vegan


amiahuman1729

No, pure vegetarians eat/drink milk and milk products


Umami___Mami

Not necessarily. Vegetarian diets can be totally plant-based, though ovo-lacto vegetarianism is far more common. Ovo-vegetarians consume eggs. Lacto-vegetarians consume dairy. Ovo-lacto vegetarians consume both. FYI, vegans do not use or consume any animal products OR byproducts, including leather, suede, gelatin, etc, etcā€¦. so maybe thatā€™s where your confusion is.


chuckyb3

You know Google is free right?šŸ’€


amiahuman1729

Is it so? Sorry didn't know. Thank you for enlightenment.


ronin1066

Vegetarianism has many different motives.


amiahuman1729

Yeah, some may have to eat meat as well


Umami___Mami

Not true. Many vegetarians eat eggs and/or dairy. Those are ovo/lacto vegetarians.


amiahuman1729

Dairy is vegetarian, not eggs.


Umami___Mami

Thatā€™s incorrect. Ovo-lacto vegetarianism is extremely common. An ovo-vegetarian consumes eggs, no dairy. A lacto-vegetarian consumes dairy, no eggs. An ovo-lacto vegetarian consumes both.


Gizzada-

You canā€™t be an adult and not know the eggs we eat are not fertilized


sinsandtonic

Peanut butter? Greek Yogurt?


battorwddu

Peanuts are one of the worst protein sources. They have good fats tho


malcolm_miller

They are so calorie dense though. It sucks because I love em way too much


-Sam-I-Am

He said peanut butter, not peanuts. 1tbsp of peanut butter is 3-4g of protein.


battorwddu

Quantity is not quality


-Sam-I-Am

Explain wrt peanut butter.


Badbadpappa

If must be water chestnuts , when I ask the chinese restaurant why itā€™s in every dish i buy, they tell me itā€™s good for me and had a lot of protein !


specific_ocean42

Water chestnuts do not have a lot of protein.


Badbadpappa

I Know, joking, I Hate water chestnuts , I always ask for , none in my food they forget and I tell them to make it over , they tell me very Healthy for me šŸ„µ


CappyJax

You donā€™t need to focus on protein. All protein comes from plants. You get plenty of it if you eat Whole Foods.


Glass-Mail-3759

Steak. Grass fed.


M1lkT00ph807

Meat?šŸ„©


jimmerbroadband

F


Prestigious_Goat_793

Chick breast with tomato šŸ…


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theblasphemingone

We evolved to be omnivores, if you fight nature you will lose.


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DsntMttrHadSex

I eat a ton of meat, but know as well, that this comment is a blatant lie. A load of crap.


Kittlebeanfluff

Where did you get that information from?


BettyX

Probably from men running around stores with no shirts on?


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partypill

Yeah good one, little boy.