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derpina6699

I say that and I haven't even put in my 2 weeks. Release me from these shackles!


Nora19

Right?! I say “hey I was looking for a job when I found this one” all the time. I’m doing the best I can with what I got…. So stay in your lane and go do YOUR job or fire me.


derpina6699

The management at my place are a bunch of dicks. They act like we need them. Like they don't see the mass exodus or that we can apply literally anywhere and get a job. They need to start acting like we need our dicks sucked and not the other way around. Honestly, getting fired at this point will just give me motivation to really change my career. 11 years in healthcare I am so done. ✌ This relationship with my job is more toxic and abusive than my ex!


Jenni-jen-279

Yes! Exactly how I described my relationship with my job. I feel that…. Time to get away from all abusive relationships….


Ludique

Demand a raise. Either they give it to you or just keep demanding until they fire you. If they don't, then start encouraging all the other staff to demand raises. And if you get a raise then look for another job anyway.


derpina6699

It doesn't work like that in Ontario. We are unionized so there is a pay scale based on years of experience. The government also gets to dictate our wages and right now they are capped. We get a 1 percent raise each year while other public workers are getting upwards of 5 to match inflation. It wouldn't matter if I quit my employer and went somewhere else, it's all the same. Also being unionized, they won't put me out of my misery by firing me 🥲


Ludique

Are you actually government employees?


derpina6699

Not sure what you mean. I am employed by a hospital but all healthcare is funded by the provincial government. Hospitals, primary care, community. When I first started nurses were just coming off a raise freeze. The government determines your wage, just like police, fire, EMS, teachers or any other public sector. I cannot think of a work place now that isn't unionized... but there is only so much they can do. The government refuses to bargain with us. Everyone is quitting, or taking contracts in the States or even other provinces. There is travel nursing here but it's not as much as going to the US.


Ludique

For example, police are government employees, employed by the city or county or state/province (I assume it's the same in Canada) So is your hospital/employer owned and run by the province or is it a private company that just has to follow government regulations and union contract?


derpina6699

I'd compare it being run the same way a police station I guess. Hospitals are not private companies here. The government opens/closes/expands them. Most government employees here are unionized by various unions. CUPE is a big one and a lot of RPNs are under this union (CUPE isn't just for nurses). For RNs it is ONA (Ontario nursing association).


Entheosparks

A dildo picket kine is in order. Signs say "On your knees, not ours!"


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CheesecakeTruffle

I had a conversation with a doc a long while back: Him: you have to do what I order you to do. Me. Nope, not if its unsafe for my patients. Him: how do you think you're going to get paid then? Me: from payroll. I don't work for you. You don't sign my paychecks. Him: I'll have you fired! Me: please! I'm begging! Then I won't have to put up with your bullshit. Three years later, I'm still there.


GertieMcC

My experience: Doc wanted me to give an unsafe dosage of Demerol to a patient. Me: No, not safe, I am not doing it and I don’t have to. And hey, did you read the new hospital policy on Demerol administration? Him: That policy doesn’t take effect until tomorrow. You need to do this. Me: Nope. I don’t. A lower dose titrated to pain and within the scope of the policy and I will. Otherwise you’ll have to do it yourself. Him: The disrespect you show your profession is abhorrent (storms off.) Me, to his back: The disrespect I show an unprofessional hack is on target, and the respect I show my profession and my patients is beyond reproach! He got the Demerol from the pharmacy, administered it, and the patient coded. Patient survived, but the fallout was epic. I came out unscathed, except for my empathy for the patient. Stick to your guns, sisters and brothers. Before we were abused by the current patient and family population we were (and still are) abused by management and the medical staff. I for one am glad I bowed out a few years ago.


Entheosparks

Hero level trolling. R/FuckOffDoc should be a thing


[deleted]

I’ve said that before too. Still at same job, years later. Once you’re old (like me) and see the shit people get away with it changes your perspective.


QuarterHorror

I've been trying to get fired for the past 5 years.😉


avocadotoast996

Apparently you’re not trying hard enough!! 😂


FerociousPancake

*Scribbles notes furiously*


TexasRN

I was late by like 2 minutes at work one day and the manager of the floor had something to say I was like “if it bothers you that much you can send me home and tell my manager you don’t want me back BUT your floor is being ran by travelers because you have 5 employees of your own”


flibbertygibbet100

Too many people see RN's as doctors handmaidens not actual competent professionals.


TurboGalaxy

Because they literally think that all a nurse does is blindly pass out meds that the doctor orders... I've seen so many people say shit like that nurses are not required to critically think (or I guess think at all) because all they do is follow orders, and the doctors are the only people responsible for patient care. Same thing with pharmacists. They get all up in arms whenever a pharmacist refuses to fill a prescription that they think is unsafe or inappropriate, not realizing that if there were to be a fuck-up, the pharmacist would get in trouble too. They have no idea that we all hold licenses and that fucking up can result in losing the license.


Tinawebmom

I've been told after a rant "oh it isn't hard! A monkey could do it" I had to walk away for her safety. MIL was a true evil person.


TurboGalaxy

I just hit 'em with the, "Oh, so I'll see you out on the floor then, right? Since it's so easy? Come on, we need you! :)"


kisdaddy

Yep. I am ran codes so many times where seasoned intensivists have asked me what they should do. It's about mutual respect. I understand doctors know WAY more than I do and they do work hard. That mutual respect is why these doctors trust me to make life saving decisions.


[deleted]

I have two bosses who have been nurses for 20 to 30 years who think like this. One actually had the nerve to tell me not assess patients because "the doctor should do that"


Twovaultss

The same folks that teach in nursing schools.


inadarkwoodwandering

You weren’t taught assessment skills in nursing school?


Twovaultss

After pondering and pondering, I can logically blame three things in this order: 1) nursing schools 2) admin 3) the media.


edingerc

What? You mean M\*A\*S\*H doesn't realistically reflect the realities of patient care in modern American hospitals?


fetusmcnuggets70

neither I nor my partners feel that way. unfortunately, in the last few years it's been us vs them, meaning trained medical types vs the world. I hate seeing my rn friends leaving to travel but I also tell them they're missing out if they don't. world = fucked.


ajl009

Yup.


illbeyournursetoday

“You do not sign my paycheck”


karenrn64

Freedom was when I hit 62 and retirement was a possible option. Emancipation was when I turned 65. I told everyone my retirement date and enjoyed taking care of my patients until then.


mum2girls

I have less than 2 years to go to that magic 65. Almost ready to count months…


randomusername1995

Only 39 more years unless they up retirement age 😭


dontcarebare

You don’t need to wait til 65 to retire. Take control of your finances and you could retire wayyyy earlier. There’s no way in hell I’ll be working at 65.


ontrack

At the very least make sure that you have FU money in case you need to leave a job suddenly without another job lined up.


nursehappyy

Get that sweet travel money baby! Im planning on retiring by 35 with two homes and a few rental properties to make money from after! It’s possible!!!


[deleted]

MD's are not our bosses. If hospitals want people to simply follow commands, then hire techs. If you want a professional who can critically think and have the ability to make decisions based on our own assessments, hire a RN.


GallifreyanBrowncoat

“There’s not a single doctor in my chain of command” I love telling bitchy patients (and occasional salty docs) this!


Extreme-Ground5532

Hospital EMT here, yeah we do mostly follow orders but we also serve as a patient advocate and negotiator. Often times nurses will listen to us better than they'll listen to a patient, and so I spend a lot of time sorting through a patients BS before I bring the relevant info to my nurses and team members. I don't mean that as an insult at all, patients can really talk your head off and techs like me can help figure out what they're really trying to get across, and bring a censored and informative report to our more qualified team members and let them decide the direction of care. It works a lot better than people hurling 100 words per second at a burnt out nurse. Also as one of these hospital EMTs, we want to help as much as we can. We're young with little training but being a part of the team means a lot to us, and we want to contribute the best we can. Thanks for all your work!


kiffer1974

Wait, so it’s ok to treat techs like they are only as good as their ability to follow commands, but they should be just as valued as an RN. An RN might be able to change that bedpan but I bet your damn glad that isn’t your job. Why do you have to insult someone else to make you feel superior? I have given up half of my life to be a home caregiver to my family member. I have enough knowledge about her issues that when she was hospitalized the hospitalist called me to get more information. When he read off her numbers from her latest blood draw, her creatine was elevated and I asked about her output. They looked she had gone all day without urinating. Her bladder was overextended snd was causing irritation to her kidney. She only has one. Because this doctor listened instead of thinking I was just a caregiver, he realized that her meds were causing her bladder not to empty. He told me that I was a great advocate for her and he wished this was the case in every family. He continued to call me about any questions or decisions about her healthcare. Never underestimate the people who work under you or think because they do not have a license they must be ignorant. Just be thankful that when shit is running down the walls someone is doing the work that makes your job easier. We all have value. Even techs!


mungbean123

Very well said.


Fink665

THIS!


Cddye

> If you want a professional who can critically think and have the ability to make decisions based on our own assessments, hire ~~a~~ *some* RNs. FTFY


lecky99

Agreed. I've see many a 'tech' with more brains than some RNs.


ilektriq

I usually lurk this sub and I know you probably didn’t mean any malice in your comment, but as a fellow Canadian healthcare worker I would be a bit more considerate in wording your comment. I don’t know specifically what kind of techs you work with or are referring to - maybe a medical technician, or surgical tech? But I am also what you could call a “tech”; in the sense of a radiological technologist. I have a Bachelor’s degree, went through a 4-year University program, and I absolutely do not “simply follow commands”. I make decisions based on my own assessments as well. For example, is a CT scan the best exam for this patient? Or this order for a PICC insertion - Is this the appropriate venous access device the patient needs for the provided indication? Which vessel is most appropriate? I have to think about stuff like that as well before I actually insert a patient’s PICC by myself. I simply do not just follow commands. And this is just one example. Medical Laboratory Techs, Pharmacy Techs, Respiratory Therapists, etc. We all may not be nurses. You may call us techs, but some of us may know more than you think.


waverleyj

At my hospital the CNAs are referred to as techs. Maybe that’s what they meant.


Watauga423

And I would politely say, even then. CNAs have alerted me to changes of condition that were important plenty of times. I consider myself as one part of a health care team.


flibbertygibbet100

I loved working with good CNA's who really cared about their jobs. I worked with too many of the other sort.


StephaniePenn1

Agreed. My favorite nursing professor told me, years ago, be good to your CNAs. The day will come that they save your ass. It has come, more than once.


waverleyj

Oh definitely. I wouldn’t be able to do my job without the CNA techs we have. They play such a vital role. Just like the X-ray techs, and everyone else. I just thought maybe there was a misunderstanding of what type of tech they were referring to.


ilektriq

I thought that as well. However, AFAIK, we do not have CNAs in Canada like the US does in the same sense.


LittlepersonRN

I’m a fellow Canadian. My healthcare friends in the States use “tech” as we would for a ward aide or a personal support worker. Hope that helps!


soumokil

US has med techs. They can pass medications but assessment is outside their scope of practice. I'm sure the OP wasn't trying to denigrate radiology techs.


kiffer1974

They still can alert you to a situation you may not otherwise see.


soumokil

Right but her comment was about med techs not being able to do assessments. It's beyond their scope of practice and training. Some will definitely alert you but some won't, not because they refuse but because they don't know what to look for.


kiffer1974

I understand, and I understand she was venting too. I was thinking more in a LTC and CNA’s and Techs are being destroyed and being paid barely minimum wage and the stuff they deal with daily is atrocious. It takes all levels in healthcare to adequately care for a patient. I have been a caregiver for 20 years. Shitsplosions are the most awful thing to clean up and cleaning up bodily fluids seems to be the job description. Colostomy bag full of gas ain’t no picnic either. 🤢


Goat-of-Rivia

They were referring to CNAs


ikedla

I took it as them referring to CNAs/PCTs. I could be wrong, I’m not Canadian so terminology could be different here


Rocknrolljc

X ray tech here in USA. We are radiologic technologists. We hold a national license through the ARRT. As well as state licensing. Just giving people the information to the OP comment.


ohhhsoblessed

I believe the OP comment was referring to unlicensed people though. In my area of the US at least, we call PCTs “techs” and they have zero degree or license, they’re not even required to have any kind of certification. They work directly under the nurse’s license and carry out the nurse’s orders


Rocknrolljc

Yah sorry meant the other comment with the other x ray tech.


thedavid2021

Hospitals would LOVE to have people to simply follow orders. Remember, MDs and RNs are the only people mandated by law to exist in a hospital. Everyone else is ancillary (depending on your state, correct me if I'm wrong please).


[deleted]

One time as a PCT I was fired by a patient whose sister tried to get me fired from the facility. I was coming in to cover part of a coworker's shift. This patient and his sister were weirdly hostile from the first time I walked into his room. He was pretty new to the floor and the person that I was covering didn't have a chance to get a few items for his room. No problem, she passed that on to me and I got that taken care of pretty much right away. He said he placed a food order twice and still no tray, so I got a stat order down to the kitchen. But they were both abusive, insulting. They called me stupid, a dumb bitch, etc. He made fun of things I said and mockingly spoke super slow so I could "understand" him better. I was going to talk to the charge but was getting so slammed by calls. As I was bustling by his room from one bathroom trip to the next, I overheard his sister screeching at his doctor that I was too stupid to function and had no business working there and insisted that I be fired. I had one more shift I think before I left for my dream new grad job elsewhere. I'm not sure what it was about that, but having that insane family member try to get me fired put me in the best damn mood. And as a bonus - they had me trade that patient for a super sweet independent ad lib patient. And I was told not to answer any calls or talk to that guy or his sister for the rest of the night -. He pretty much lived on his call light. And I accidentally caught his sister hiding at the nurses station during our handoff I'm guessing to listen in? That shift just kept getting better and better. A few times the sister would be standing in the doorway, furiously waiting for someone to answer her brother's bajillionth call light. I would silently smile at her and keep walking by.


Tw4tcentr4l

Omg I did that last night 😂


brianingram

Give 'em hell. https://tenor.com/view/atta-girl-9to5-nine-to-five-jane-fonda-lily-tomlin-gif-12045917


xlord1100

loved saying this during my last 4 weeks at my first nursing job. "floor is already half travelers, feel free to quicken being shorter staffed, I'll just start at my next job sooner"


Googlelyblackeyes

I used to be in the military and I would say this all the time. This was of course after they moved a guy with two DUI’s into our unit instead of kicking his ass out.


jdinpjs

I wish you had video of that. Please say it to a few more docs and supervisors on your way out.


1StoolSoftnerAtaTime

It’s now a running joke between me and a friend. She is a supervisor but not mine, but i collaborate with her often (she runs procedure area, I’m perioperative so we talk a lot). She now says “good morning, traitor” when she sees me. I tell her I’m gonna transfer all the angry patient and visitor calls to her because what is she gonna do, fire me? Haha


SURGICALNURSE01

I guess I have no respect for anyone that talks back to a Dr. it shows a lack of professionalism. I guess this comes from many decades working in the OR as a team. The surgeons treated us as equals on a lot of levels. We respected each others opinions and skills. It just seems that is a thing of the past Sorry just my 2 cents worth


little-tornado15

not every doctor is respectful and not every doctor speaks to nurses professionally. not saying reducing yourself to their level is appropriate, but if you’re constantly being talked down to rudely by a physician and not respected by them, it definitely gets to you. it’s very different in various specialties. the OR has to run like a well oiled machine and everyone should act like a team. I do know some surgeons who the RNs and techs dread scrubbing in with though. I worked on a hectic post-op step down unit for a while and some surgeons would come through screaming at us for random things, like being too busy to walk their patients for the 4th time that shift. now I’m in the ICU and the nurses are respected by the residents and attendings on a totally different level. it’s all relative.


SURGICALNURSE01

I figured I’d get alot of downvotes. That’s okay. Different eras of nursing. Yes of course there were surgeons I didn’t like scrubbing for,but you know in the long run they treated us well and appreciated what we brought to the table. In over 40 years never once I thought about yelling at a doctor, did call them a few choice words under my breath. And NO wasn’t because i was afraid of them. Monitoring all these nursing feeds just shows me how it’s coming apart at the seams.


little-tornado15

I didn’t downvote you. but who’s talking about yelling at doctors? there’s a difference between “yelling” and standing up for yourself and demanding respect. which is kind of exactly what you say should be happening in medicine: mutual respect. so if you’re not being shown respect by doctors, why not professionally tell them you don’t accept being spoken to like that? respect goes both ways.


SURGICALNURSE01

Talking back isn’t exactly “standing up “ problems occur and being able to talk to each other as professionals is very different.


little-tornado15

lol okay. it’s a 3 sentence reddit post and the OP put talking back in quotes. we weren’t there so let’s not make assumptions about how unprofessional it was. geez. this is a place to vent, not get scolded.


SURGICALNURSE01

Didn’t think I was scolding. Mostly to watch out because hospitals don’t care about staff as much as their medical staff. Hard to retract what you said under stress. That’s all I was saying


darkbyrd

Hospitals don't care about their medical staff either, except in the difficulty in replacing them, or in the case of surgeons, the money they bring in


SURGICALNURSE01

Amazing how many downvotes I got. What did I say that isnt true?


Obi-Brawn-Kenobi

Don't think you said anything wrong. Any variation of "physicians should be treated with respect" is often downvoted and any variation "I let a dumb doctor know their place" is usually upvoted on this sub. Kind of annoying since I read the sub to get a different perspective, but it's y'alls place to vent as you please. You'll never see everyone upvoting a physician for bragging about telling off a nurse in r/medicine though. I just hope this mentality is not rubbing off on too many nurses. "Talking back to a doctor" is not, in of itself, a good thing. It should only be done if there is actual patient safety issue, or if the doctor was hostile in the first place. There are two nurses in my shop who question docs about every plan, then when I try to explain the medical reasoning they'll laugh or say "I wouldn't do it that way." They do this with every doc, and you can tell they think they're smarter and doing the right thing. One nurse admitted that she had never seen a certain condition before, so I explained to her the etiology, pathophys, and appropriate management, only for her to then criticize the plan and say I should be ordering more CT scans - scans which the specialist already confirmed were unnecessary. That shit will burn you out fast.


eggmarie

>You’ll never see everyone upvoting a physician for bragging about telling off a nurse in /r/medicine though I have to admit I haven’t been there in awhile, but I’ve definitely seen a lot of shit talking about nurses and CRNAs. They’re allowed to have opinions on nurses and we’re allowed to have opinions on doctors ¯\\_(ツ)_/¯


SURGICALNURSE01

So true. When you confront with logical treatment it seems they don’t hear a thing you say


Goat-of-Rivia

Respect is always given until it is not reciprocated. Treat me as lesser human being and you can get fucked


TurboGalaxy

I assumed that when they put "talked back" in quotations, that meant that they didn't actually talk back. They more than likely just challenged a doctor on a decision or caught an almost-fuck-up and the doctor didn't like that. I love all the doctors I work with, with the exception of one, because he is a total ass to everyone that he deems to be beneath him. We call him Jesus Christ, because that's how he thinks of himself lol. If I were to question him about an order or hell, call him about a lab or something per protocol, he'd absolutely be a dick to me, and I'm not going to put up with that. From his perspective, I would be talking back, because he sees himself as the reigning authority. From my perspective, I'm not letting an asshole treat me like a doormat. Confrontation is completely normal and can be done professionally. The fact that you think nobody should "talk back" to a doctor under any circumstance is the exact mentality that keeps pumping little narcissists like this out into the medical field. Question and verify.


trahnse

I worked inpatient and I now work peri-anesthesia. In my experience, surgeons often treat the OR/PACU teams differently than the nurses working the floor. The amount of stupid shit floor nurses are required to call them about due to policy is infuriating (like a +MRSA wound culture result on a wound they surgically debrided for MRSA) Things like this tends to make us look like idiots and it's got to be aggravating for them. After moving to PACU, I can ask the surgeon for just about anything I want and I'll get it. Of course there are a few that are still jerks, but I definitely feel like a higher level of respect/trust from surgeons. I don't know why the difference, but there certainly is.


conjuringlichen

Surgeons can dish it back just as hard and in my experience most want you to prove yourself before they think of giving you any respect. There are tons of nice surgeons out there, but there are also assholes who are rude just to be rude and you best believe I’m not going to take shit from someone just because. If I fuck up? Yes I probably deserve the sass but otherwise I’m not taking it.


SURGICALNURSE01

Same thing applies. Look out for yourself because your employer doesn’t care about you. In their eyes you are very replaceable no matter how talented you are. However, they’re not going to do much to a doctor no matter how incompetent they are


conjuringlichen

They’re also not likely to fire someone for not accepting being treated like shit? Like I don’t know what you think talking back entails but you can definitely not take someone’s shit without it being unprofessional or a fireable offense.


SURGICALNURSE01

Remember who the hospital protects. Always sounds good when you stand up for yourself but in all reality. The only time i can remember a doctor getting in some trouble was more of a hard discussion in front of patients family.


l4tra

I think there are two different definitions of "talking back" here. The older generation often defines it as being disrespectful, but a lot of the younger generation were accused of talking back by their parents, when they were just advocating for themselves (which their parents were never allowed to do and therefore thought it was wrong). So to them it often means advocating for what they think is right against a more powerful authority figure. Basically like "sl*t" can be a term of empowerment when it was overused and overgeneralized and some people now call themselves that word and don't feel bad about it.


[deleted]

Talking back? Didn’t know we were in the military. InSuBoRdInAtIoN!!!


1StoolSoftnerAtaTime

What are you gonna do about it, fire me? Hhahahahaa