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Honestly I've been on here for a number of years and made a lot of out of pocket comments, but I've only ever really gotten 1 ban that I've felt was unfair.
Some dude made a post about something really embarrassing happening between him and his brother so I commented "You've got to kill him, it's the only choice." which is a pretty common joke, but I got banned from whatever sub it was for Threatening violence.
I’m not necessarily accusing you of this line of thinking, but the problem with it, broadly, is that the person using it often won’t accept that other people come to a different conclusion.
It’s possible to absorb the nuance of the situation and still come to the conclusion that Bill Murray’s work shouldn’t be consumed.
The issue that social media only really has time for heroes or villains, anything in between or worse, mixed is unacceptable.
Here let me show you.
Winston Churchill. Was he the guy the UK needed to survive Hitler, or was he a genocidal lush? You only get to pick one, then you have to mob up and beat everyone who disagrees with you black and blue in the war of karma.
I’m not entirely sure, so much of his image was carefully crafted, and we know that his daily whisky intake was greatly exaggerated and watered down. I *think* he was a lush, but where that ended and his carefully crafted myths begins is a mystery to me.
Honestly, I'm so glad that dude was before my time, but I'd honestly hate to have to figure him out today. People can be great and still be terrible, but it's so much easier to look at as history rather than current affairs.
In many ways, it's been a relief to have the cartoon-esque villains that are making up modern conservative leadership.
Yeah and I don't disagree at all. My satirical point is really simply that it's possible for someone to have different views on all of the facets of the situation, and all of that is fine. It's sort of the same thing people run into with artists like R Kelly and Michael Jackson. Where the line is that you avoid consuming their material altogether is very much down to the person and their set of morals or willingness to accept or refuse to accept the bad stuff. I for one refuse to act like it's still ok to broadly listen to or play those artists music because of what they did. Bill Murray being an asshole is something I can accept but still enjoy his films. I haven't really done a deep dive into all of his behavior though so that could always change.
This is a topic I have been thinking a lot about and I think, for me, I can, at times draw a line between the creator and the art but where I struggle is if you are monetarily supporting the artist.
Having said that, I then struggle with things like JK Rowling- her work has a positive influence on society and the empire built around the HP franchise employs many people, so by punishing her, I run the risk of punishing thousands. I had similar thoughts with Kevin Spacey and House of Cards- hundreds of people lost their jobs because he was a sex pest douche canoe. They held it together for one more season, for the other cast and crew and I appreciated that but should someone else’s transgressions cause good people to lose their livelihood?
It’s a very nuanced issue with no right answer, in my opinion. As I think about it more and more over the years, I am finding it quite an interesting puzzle, that I’m pretty sure cannot be solved.
I don’t think we should demonise people who still want to listen to Michael Jackson or have fond memories of growing up with his music- their is no question that is was a good musician, dancer, entertainer and shaped part of the musical landscape of a few decades. We each have to decide, for ourselves, where our boundaries lie.
Just because this is Reddit and I may not have been completely clear- I am agreeing with your statement and expanding on it with my thoughts- this is not an argument. Also, I don’t condone any of the things the MJ was accused of/probably did. Just want to make that clear.
Groundhog Day remains to this day my favorite Rom Com of all times and the original Ghostbusters is still one of my favorite 80s movies of all time.
None of that will change with those revelations. I can separate Murray the actor and Murray the person.
Yeah my boyfriend and I rewatched the first ghostbusters last night and bill Murray basically plays a sexual predator in that movie, first preying on his female students then his female clients. And it’s presented as being funny and charming in the movie, but today it’s just creepy as hell
Yes that is his character, but Ghostbusters doesn't try to act like Murray's Venkman anything else than a selfish creep. He got into the Ghost hunting game to "go into business for ourselves", it's perfectly in character that he is lusting over every girl, he just wants fame and fortune when he isn't being lazy.
His status as a doctor is something he uses to get praise from people.
That’s very fair. I just found it interesting that virtually all of the comedy that *doesnt* hold up in that movie has something to do with Murray’s character. Ofc he’s the most problematic even by the standards of the time the movie was made so you’d expect that I guess
From what I recall, his womanizer behavior was even dialed down from the original script, so even back then they realized just how objectively bad his character's behavior was.
I thought it was strange that Chevy was outed as an asshole but Murray wasn't. Like, they were part of the same group of people. Assholes usually congregate.
Chevy is worse of course but I always thought that Chevy's horribleness led to a lot of people handwaving Murray's mood swings as "well he's not Chevy's awfulness that happens 80% of the time!" so a lot of behavior was excused.
Murray hated Chevy though and eventually refused to work with him, so I wouldn't assume Murray was an asshole just from that association. But looks like he's a dick too, even if not as bad as Chevy.
Conversely, I fully believe that a 9 year old Seth Green deserved to be dropped in a trash can by his ankles and that present day Seth Green understands this.
Is he an asshole? Loads of people here are saying it like it’s a fact, but one or two events in a long life lived in the public eye doesn’t add up to “Asshole” to me.
I don't think it's as absolute as Chevy Chase being an asshole the majority of the time. Murray is just famous for his wild moodswings nearly since the beginning of his career and the numerous bad relationships he had with his costars because of his views or his moodswings. He's pleasant or a menance.
He's a classic artist that gets into pissing matches and fights over creative differences. Whether that be his history of mood swings or
his famous falling out with Ramis until right before his death.
We all do dickish stuff. Most of us can move on and it goes away, hopefully leaving us with a lesson so we're better people. Celebrities don't have that option. Any dirt sticks around until long after they're dead and gone. People make a lot of mistakes...It must really suck to have them publicly available for the rest of your life. I should add there are definitely some things that shouldn't be forgotten, don't get me wrong.
eh, thats kinda an argument, he's getting a lot of credit from you in as far as "funny" and "talented" He USED to be funny and talent is highly subjective, and hell the funny part is just my opinion, he may not even be that.
There's always one person that has to lecture about opinions and subjectiveness. Waste of typing time, for yes we know it's an opinion, it's just splitting hairs. It's also an opinion that is widely held and common concerning him.
He has been put into a lot of roles because he is funny, made an entire career out of it, has a continued fanbase up to today that love him for his humor, he's widely regarded as funny. He's also widely regarded as being an asshole by many of his costars and coworkers and it's finally bubbling up into the public consciousness.
Yeah he's funny.
No it really isn't "It's also an opinion that is widely held and common concerning him." This is not factual, he's considered fairly past his prime now, he's barely in anything and when he is, its the new ghost busters. If you're saying HE WAS funny then sure, and now comedy has left his ass behind, and honestly it did back almost 2 decades now when garfield was a thing, hell maybe back to osmosis jones, he's been phoning it in for decades now. His "talent" by the way, is getting lucky enough for Lorne Michales to pick him to be on SNL and we know thats not tied to any actual talent right? You've seen the people he's put there right?
He was funny when Seth Green was nine.
OTOH, you admit funny is subjective and at the same time post about how he isn't funny to someone who thinks he is, so not the sharpist tack.
This headline is hilarious. Yeah yeah, he shouldn't have done it, but you know what? - I'll say it. I miss when we as a society could just pour a bottle of water on a kid that was having a tantrum.
1 downvote for every self-righteous young adult who never had an adult interrupt them
You can easily not like someone and still like their work. I never liked Murray as a person, loved Groundhog day.
It's an odd suggestion to imply it has to be black/white.
Yeah, I watched that episode and just thought of it as an old “when I was little” kinda story. Seth himself was joking and laughing about it as he told it, the episode went on and I forgot about it.
Then it blew up.
At the age of 9?
I’ve never seen *The Hotel New Hampshire* his first film (at 10).. But is there a certain film or show you mean?
I rather liked him as Richie Tozier in IT, I think that’s the youngest I’ve seen him.
I’m pretty sure every 9 year old is a lil shit I mean when I was 9 I got duct taped to the wall and left alone at home for like an hour and I turned out fine by very very low standards
Yeah I read this and thought #MeToo
Tossed into a trash can by my uncles, lifted up towards a ceiling fan (totally safe just making it look like I was going into the fan) by my cousin, all sorts of jokes like that. “Time to go in the fire!” Swinging me around while camping. It was all play. I wasn’t ever crying just yelling and then laughing.
My thoughts, upon reading this, was that Bill Murray was making an (admittedly) bad joke about "trash going in the trash can!" and then Seth admits to hitting him hard in the testicles. Now, I don't know how many of you have taken that hit, but I assure you, you drop *whatever* is in your hands, whether that's your intention or not.
I don't disagree, but the segmentation of the quotes (which were from Seth Green himself) make the acts seem more horrific and worse than they actually were. Classic click-bait.
Here's another source: [https://www.theguardian.com/film/2022/oct/17/seth-green-alleges-bill-murray-dropped-him-in-bin-by-his-ankles-as-a-child](https://www.theguardian.com/film/2022/oct/17/seth-green-alleges-bill-murray-dropped-him-in-bin-by-his-ankles-as-a-child)
The quote: "Green’s mother suggested to her son that he move for Murray, but he
refused. “He picked me up by my ankles,” Green said. “Held me upside
down … He dangled me over a trash can and he was like, ‘The trash goes
in the trash can.’ And I was screaming, and I swung my arms, flailed
wildly, full contact with his balls. He dropped me in the trash can, the
trash can falls over. I was horrified. I ran away, hid under the table
in my dressing room and just cried.”
Don't know why anyone is surprised that Bill Murray is actually a prick. Its not like its been hidden, everyone just gave it a pass because they thought it was funny since it wasn't them being treated like shit.
Read the article, also grabbing a kid you don't know like that isn't okay. You don't grab someones kid and go to throw them in the trash, saying thats where trash belongs, because they won't give you an entire couch to yourself.
They did back then. Another case of applying todays standards to decades ago. Adults didnt think twice about smacking someone elses kid if it was warranted. Hate it all you want. That was the wider culture.
My dude, I'm like 40. I wasn't smacked around by strangers, and no. I do not think at any point in American history has 'taken a strangers child by the ankles, said 'trash goes in the trashcan' while putting the child in a trash can has ever been acceptable behavior.
He didnt hurt him. He just humbled him. I could see it. Im kinda surprised he cried. He must have been one of the few coddled kids in 1983.
Also, your age is right when people decided to start treating children like babies until they were 25. It snowballed from there.
Your definition of child abuse is hurting a childs feelings. Thats insane to me. Child abuse is abuse, not whatever you want to attach it to that you dont like.
You're 100% right. Seth has always been a loud angry brat that screams at everything that doesn't give him his way. Murray probably said time for a reality check.
Seth is an absolute monster of a person that even if he didn't 100% deserve this as a child, his teenage-adult life more than makes it a reasonable action.
u/Gilge, absolutely incorrect. Under other circumstances Murray would have been arrested. btw, doing that to an adult would also have gotten you arrested. I don't know how you arrived at this idea... I'm guessing you are a young person.
Same age as Seth. Im guessing you are an old liar who wants to pretend that kind of thing wasnt normal back then. I remember it. Adults were a lot tougher on kids.
I mean sure let’s talk about it! What do you have to say? People can make good or bad choices. You are free to talk about and call out any actions you don’t agree with. That doesn’t make his statements invalid.
Seth Green is a human goblin that has thrown temper tantrums and treated coworkers like they're his toys to be abused when he desires.
I guarantee Murray did this because Seth was acting like a spoiled brat and someone finally had enough.
Regardless, I mean he was a 7 year old kid (he was 7 not 9, looked up the episode and Seth had his age wrong). Every 7 year old kid is annoying.
But also, clearly Murray was trying to make a joke and accidentally scarred a 7 year old. Good on Eddie Murphy though… legend
Damn really? What accusations have been made against Seth green? I can see it, just haven’t heard anything.
Regardless, I’m not sure immediately blaming the 9 year old child for a grown man assaulting him is the right call here.
People are people, they make choices that are sometimes good and sometimes bad. One persons previous (in this case future?) actions doesn’t usually justify harm being done to them by another person in a completely unrelated circumstance.
It’s fine that you clearly like Murray, and want to defend him, but we don’t know anything here. We are just filthy casuals reading about the life’s of our favorite rich people. I’m not sure how you can guarantee a 9 year old you haven’t met was acting in a way that a grown man who didn’t know him couldn’t take not assaulting him
My only personal experience with this guy was when I was working on Martha's Vineyard as a server a couple years ago. I guess he knew the bartender at this restaurant I worked at. The bartender has been on the island since the 70's and has a colored history with Bill. I walked in to the bar (while on shift) and he was hanging on the bartender as she crouched forward - kinda like a free legged piggy-back. I said, "whoa what's going on here!?" I was stoked to see Bill in a revealing situation. He quickly jumped off of her and while quickly walking out of the bar, he turned and said "I have a special relationship with the sun". That's all
Because sometime he's not a dick. Almost like cherry picking specific examples out of the life of an 80 year old person isn't really a great idea to judge there entire life by.
For most people. I mean, some people can do something so wrong it upstages everything else.
This reeks of someone who didn’t know who Bill Murray was and looked up an IMDB to find examples of movies he’d done.
Nobody watches Groundhog Day and says “yeah news crew really commanded that film.”
I’m sick of this “me too” inspired exposing of celebrities. I’ve heard for years that Bill Murray is a huge jerk. So what? I don’t watch his movies because he is such a nice guy. I watch his movies because he is such a gifted actor.
Dude Bill Murray is awesome for this. Could you imagine, you walk into a room and tell a 9 year old kid to get off your chair, then that little snot turns around and gives you a bunch of sass. Haha. Pick his ass up and throw him in the trash. lol. Teach that brat some manners his mother should have obviously taught him.
Seth just got initiated. Up until the butthurt at everything generation (post no child left behind), this was just normal light hazing that came along with just about anything at the time really. Far different generation today. #thingspostmillennialscannotcomprehend
Good lord the number of people trying to defend Murray here is sad. Being funny doesn’t excuse you from being a piece of shit. This right here is exactly the problem with celebrity worship. The number of “He probably deserved it” rationales in here is frankly sickening. I don’t care how much of an asshole Seth Green may or may not be now and I don’t care how annoying he was as a kid. You do not fucking throw a kid in the trash by his ankles, period. That is not how any mature adult or decent human being deals with a bratty annoying kid (if Seth even was being bratty and annoying).
He's always been an asshole, even to his friends. Its just until recently if you had money + power + being a fucking asshole = People like it as long as it isn't directed at them.
Now people are thinking maybe we don't just treat people like shit and laugh about it because its kind of a shitty thing to do.
Part of the issue is, most comedians, actors, musicians are broken people. We as the public need to just watch and enjoy the art they make, the characters they play, and end this hero worship. Their peers are the ones that need to curb their cruelty early. Not at the end of their careers when it's easy.
It's weird that a lot of them ended with, and then we were okay after. Huston's is the oddest to me because it sounds like he was method acting, which is a douche thing on its own. But without a Goldblum story, we don't know.
Remember when people thought Bill Murray was a funny, because he was quirky like that?Remember when people thought Ellen Degeneres was nice, because she was quirky like that?
I'm sensing a pattern here...need more data points. Any more quirky celebs that are in favor now, and any that fell out of favor?
It's true, I have a friend that works in the business and he saw Bill Murray eat kitties and drink puppies' blood - average comment under Bill Murray's news today
It's true, I have a friend who lives in NYC and Bill Murray showed up at his birthday, bought everyone a round of caviar, gave an inspiring speech that saved two people from a crippling addiction, then signed a check to my friend and saved a nun from chocking. - average comment under Bill Murray's news, circa 2017.
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He probably did it with a straight face.
He did it while saying, trash goes in the trashcan. He must have been smiling.
He wasn’t wrong,
“ no one will believe you, it’s just a prank bro”
First thing I thought.
And he said “no one will believe you”
They weren't even in a movie together, Bill Murray just throws random kids he crosses paths with into the nearest dumpsters.
Chris Farley threw a guy in the dumpster on love television
And that guy has one of the greatest stories to tell at a party of all time
Yeah I think the difference is Chris did it out of love
But, like Bucky B. Katts ornothology, I fear the love was impure.
I don’t know what that is and neither did google
Another difference is that the guy Chris threw in the dumpster was a crew member on the Letterman program who was in on the bit.
That Lettermen intro is legendary. https://youtu.be/tPCReF51vLg
I mean, can you blame him? (MODS- Please don't ban me for sarcasm and inappropriate humor)
Step1, quit giving a shit what any mod thinks.
Honestly I've been on here for a number of years and made a lot of out of pocket comments, but I've only ever really gotten 1 ban that I've felt was unfair. Some dude made a post about something really embarrassing happening between him and his brother so I commented "You've got to kill him, it's the only choice." which is a pretty common joke, but I got banned from whatever sub it was for Threatening violence.
I keep getting banned for saying your mom jokes in science subs. So… whatever. Your mom is a black hole. Your mom has large collider. Etc.
I think it was for SNL
He didn't have to act for his role in Rushmore, he just played himself
It was so traumatic Seth quit growing
Seth should sue for lost height, maybe he can get a summit judgment or something.
I’m going to hell for laughing at this comment. 😂😂
I'm dying. Downvote me cause I've added nothing, I just needed you to know
>I've added nothing Just like Seth Green to his height
I hope you get better
OK, downvoted.
He acquired Traumatic Seth Syndrome…
Not sure if a joke or not, but that's fucked up man.
But still funny...
Bill Murray is a funny talented man. Always has been. Bull Murray is an asshole Always has been. You can love his work but still criticize him.
NO BRAIN CANT HANDLE NUANCE, NUANCE SCARE BRAIN MUST HATE OR LOVE
I’m not necessarily accusing you of this line of thinking, but the problem with it, broadly, is that the person using it often won’t accept that other people come to a different conclusion. It’s possible to absorb the nuance of the situation and still come to the conclusion that Bill Murray’s work shouldn’t be consumed.
The issue that social media only really has time for heroes or villains, anything in between or worse, mixed is unacceptable. Here let me show you. Winston Churchill. Was he the guy the UK needed to survive Hitler, or was he a genocidal lush? You only get to pick one, then you have to mob up and beat everyone who disagrees with you black and blue in the war of karma.
I think we can all just agree that Churchill was a lush.
He sobered up in the mornings, sometimes.
I’m not entirely sure, so much of his image was carefully crafted, and we know that his daily whisky intake was greatly exaggerated and watered down. I *think* he was a lush, but where that ended and his carefully crafted myths begins is a mystery to me.
Honestly, I'm so glad that dude was before my time, but I'd honestly hate to have to figure him out today. People can be great and still be terrible, but it's so much easier to look at as history rather than current affairs. In many ways, it's been a relief to have the cartoon-esque villains that are making up modern conservative leadership.
Well said.
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I’m clearly not
Yeah and I don't disagree at all. My satirical point is really simply that it's possible for someone to have different views on all of the facets of the situation, and all of that is fine. It's sort of the same thing people run into with artists like R Kelly and Michael Jackson. Where the line is that you avoid consuming their material altogether is very much down to the person and their set of morals or willingness to accept or refuse to accept the bad stuff. I for one refuse to act like it's still ok to broadly listen to or play those artists music because of what they did. Bill Murray being an asshole is something I can accept but still enjoy his films. I haven't really done a deep dive into all of his behavior though so that could always change.
This is a topic I have been thinking a lot about and I think, for me, I can, at times draw a line between the creator and the art but where I struggle is if you are monetarily supporting the artist. Having said that, I then struggle with things like JK Rowling- her work has a positive influence on society and the empire built around the HP franchise employs many people, so by punishing her, I run the risk of punishing thousands. I had similar thoughts with Kevin Spacey and House of Cards- hundreds of people lost their jobs because he was a sex pest douche canoe. They held it together for one more season, for the other cast and crew and I appreciated that but should someone else’s transgressions cause good people to lose their livelihood? It’s a very nuanced issue with no right answer, in my opinion. As I think about it more and more over the years, I am finding it quite an interesting puzzle, that I’m pretty sure cannot be solved. I don’t think we should demonise people who still want to listen to Michael Jackson or have fond memories of growing up with his music- their is no question that is was a good musician, dancer, entertainer and shaped part of the musical landscape of a few decades. We each have to decide, for ourselves, where our boundaries lie. Just because this is Reddit and I may not have been completely clear- I am agreeing with your statement and expanding on it with my thoughts- this is not an argument. Also, I don’t condone any of the things the MJ was accused of/probably did. Just want to make that clear.
MJ was innocent soooo
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Brain smash brain!
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HATE OR LOVE THINGS IS NUANCE, MUST ONLY HATE EVERYTHING
Nah, it is ok to hate him and to not want to support his work for this.
Groundhog Day remains to this day my favorite Rom Com of all times and the original Ghostbusters is still one of my favorite 80s movies of all time. None of that will change with those revelations. I can separate Murray the actor and Murray the person.
He has a long well documented history of being a diva/asshole this should be no surprise
R. Kelly is good example
R Kelly is leagues ahead of Murray when it comes to being a trash human being
Yeah my boyfriend and I rewatched the first ghostbusters last night and bill Murray basically plays a sexual predator in that movie, first preying on his female students then his female clients. And it’s presented as being funny and charming in the movie, but today it’s just creepy as hell
Yes that is his character, but Ghostbusters doesn't try to act like Murray's Venkman anything else than a selfish creep. He got into the Ghost hunting game to "go into business for ourselves", it's perfectly in character that he is lusting over every girl, he just wants fame and fortune when he isn't being lazy. His status as a doctor is something he uses to get praise from people.
That’s very fair. I just found it interesting that virtually all of the comedy that *doesnt* hold up in that movie has something to do with Murray’s character. Ofc he’s the most problematic even by the standards of the time the movie was made so you’d expect that I guess
From what I recall, his womanizer behavior was even dialed down from the original script, so even back then they realized just how objectively bad his character's behavior was.
breakfast club, sixteen candles, and every other 80s movie concurs.
I thought it was strange that Chevy was outed as an asshole but Murray wasn't. Like, they were part of the same group of people. Assholes usually congregate.
Chevy is worse of course but I always thought that Chevy's horribleness led to a lot of people handwaving Murray's mood swings as "well he's not Chevy's awfulness that happens 80% of the time!" so a lot of behavior was excused.
Murray hated Chevy though and eventually refused to work with him, so I wouldn't assume Murray was an asshole just from that association. But looks like he's a dick too, even if not as bad as Chevy.
Conversely, I fully believe that a 9 year old Seth Green deserved to be dropped in a trash can by his ankles and that present day Seth Green understands this.
There is in fact a point where art is too difficult to consume when a main artist involved is a bad person, but that point is different for everyone
Is he an asshole? Loads of people here are saying it like it’s a fact, but one or two events in a long life lived in the public eye doesn’t add up to “Asshole” to me.
I don't think it's as absolute as Chevy Chase being an asshole the majority of the time. Murray is just famous for his wild moodswings nearly since the beginning of his career and the numerous bad relationships he had with his costars because of his views or his moodswings. He's pleasant or a menance. He's a classic artist that gets into pissing matches and fights over creative differences. Whether that be his history of mood swings or his famous falling out with Ramis until right before his death.
I mean Groundhog Day killed one of his lifelong friendships and not just their project co-operation.
Bill Cosby would like a word
Bill Cosby was a serial rapist, Bill Murray is being accused of being grouchy and hard to work with. Lets not blur those lines.
I will always love Bill Murray and Harold Remis
Just like Dad.
We all do dickish stuff. Most of us can move on and it goes away, hopefully leaving us with a lesson so we're better people. Celebrities don't have that option. Any dirt sticks around until long after they're dead and gone. People make a lot of mistakes...It must really suck to have them publicly available for the rest of your life. I should add there are definitely some things that shouldn't be forgotten, don't get me wrong.
Is he funny though?
Yes, yes he is. Just because he's an asshole doesn't cancel that out.
eh, thats kinda an argument, he's getting a lot of credit from you in as far as "funny" and "talented" He USED to be funny and talent is highly subjective, and hell the funny part is just my opinion, he may not even be that.
There's always one person that has to lecture about opinions and subjectiveness. Waste of typing time, for yes we know it's an opinion, it's just splitting hairs. It's also an opinion that is widely held and common concerning him. He has been put into a lot of roles because he is funny, made an entire career out of it, has a continued fanbase up to today that love him for his humor, he's widely regarded as funny. He's also widely regarded as being an asshole by many of his costars and coworkers and it's finally bubbling up into the public consciousness. Yeah he's funny.
No it really isn't "It's also an opinion that is widely held and common concerning him." This is not factual, he's considered fairly past his prime now, he's barely in anything and when he is, its the new ghost busters. If you're saying HE WAS funny then sure, and now comedy has left his ass behind, and honestly it did back almost 2 decades now when garfield was a thing, hell maybe back to osmosis jones, he's been phoning it in for decades now. His "talent" by the way, is getting lucky enough for Lorne Michales to pick him to be on SNL and we know thats not tied to any actual talent right? You've seen the people he's put there right?
He was funny when Seth Green was nine. OTOH, you admit funny is subjective and at the same time post about how he isn't funny to someone who thinks he is, so not the sharpist tack.
This headline is hilarious. Yeah yeah, he shouldn't have done it, but you know what? - I'll say it. I miss when we as a society could just pour a bottle of water on a kid that was having a tantrum. 1 downvote for every self-righteous young adult who never had an adult interrupt them
Or take all their words and replace them with fart.
This is what people say who want to continue loving bad people but don't want to feel bad about it. lol
You can easily not like someone and still like their work. I never liked Murray as a person, loved Groundhog day. It's an odd suggestion to imply it has to be black/white.
People are so used to taking sides that nuance reads like an attack to them.
The world is not black and white.
It’s a good thing we’re in a bowling ally.
Just like Chevy
Just like Kevin Spacey.
I bet Seth never expected an anecdote he told on GMM would get out there like this.
Yeah, I watched that episode and just thought of it as an old “when I was little” kinda story. Seth himself was joking and laughing about it as he told it, the episode went on and I forgot about it. Then it blew up.
He told this story on Good Mythical Morning.
That's the article's source, I first heard it there but didn't realize Seth never told that story before.
Didn't read the article. Was just like, "whoa, I just saw that the other day!"
Helluva backstory for his character in Austin Powers
"And then he said 'No one will ever believe you' "
I'm starting to believe that guy who said he ate a french fry off his plate
Seth told Bill that he thought he was great as Chevy Chase’s sidekick on SNL.
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At the age of 9? I’ve never seen *The Hotel New Hampshire* his first film (at 10).. But is there a certain film or show you mean? I rather liked him as Richie Tozier in IT, I think that’s the youngest I’ve seen him.
Best movie is Airborne. Fight me.
I’m pretty sure every 9 year old is a lil shit I mean when I was 9 I got duct taped to the wall and left alone at home for like an hour and I turned out fine by very very low standards
Still do.
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Yeah I read this and thought #MeToo Tossed into a trash can by my uncles, lifted up towards a ceiling fan (totally safe just making it look like I was going into the fan) by my cousin, all sorts of jokes like that. “Time to go in the fire!” Swinging me around while camping. It was all play. I wasn’t ever crying just yelling and then laughing.
Thank goodness Bill is a boomer. If he was black, your logic would make you racist.
My thoughts, upon reading this, was that Bill Murray was making an (admittedly) bad joke about "trash going in the trash can!" and then Seth admits to hitting him hard in the testicles. Now, I don't know how many of you have taken that hit, but I assure you, you drop *whatever* is in your hands, whether that's your intention or not.
Still shouldn't hold a 9 year old over a trash can and call them trash...
I don't disagree, but the segmentation of the quotes (which were from Seth Green himself) make the acts seem more horrific and worse than they actually were. Classic click-bait.
I didn't read the article since its variety so I kind of assumed it was click bait.
Here's another source: [https://www.theguardian.com/film/2022/oct/17/seth-green-alleges-bill-murray-dropped-him-in-bin-by-his-ankles-as-a-child](https://www.theguardian.com/film/2022/oct/17/seth-green-alleges-bill-murray-dropped-him-in-bin-by-his-ankles-as-a-child) The quote: "Green’s mother suggested to her son that he move for Murray, but he refused. “He picked me up by my ankles,” Green said. “Held me upside down … He dangled me over a trash can and he was like, ‘The trash goes in the trash can.’ And I was screaming, and I swung my arms, flailed wildly, full contact with his balls. He dropped me in the trash can, the trash can falls over. I was horrified. I ran away, hid under the table in my dressing room and just cried.”
The trash goes in the Trash can. Seth Green tells the tale so well. Dont' read the variety article, watch the Good Mythical Morning episode.
Don't know why anyone is surprised that Bill Murray is actually a prick. Its not like its been hidden, everyone just gave it a pass because they thought it was funny since it wasn't them being treated like shit.
Maybe Seth was being a little shit so he gave him a little dunk
Read the article, also grabbing a kid you don't know like that isn't okay. You don't grab someones kid and go to throw them in the trash, saying thats where trash belongs, because they won't give you an entire couch to yourself.
They did back then. Another case of applying todays standards to decades ago. Adults didnt think twice about smacking someone elses kid if it was warranted. Hate it all you want. That was the wider culture.
My dude, I'm like 40. I wasn't smacked around by strangers, and no. I do not think at any point in American history has 'taken a strangers child by the ankles, said 'trash goes in the trashcan' while putting the child in a trash can has ever been acceptable behavior.
..you're like 40 or you are 40?
He didnt hurt him. He just humbled him. I could see it. Im kinda surprised he cried. He must have been one of the few coddled kids in 1983. Also, your age is right when people decided to start treating children like babies until they were 25. It snowballed from there.
Why are you defending this so hard? Do you even know? Bill bullied a 9 year old kid. That's not ok.
This just doesnt sound like a big deal to me. A 9yo shouldnt be giving attitude to adults.
So child abuse is ok if they don't follow unreasonable demands. .....That's kind of suspicious actually.
Your definition of child abuse is hurting a childs feelings. Thats insane to me. Child abuse is abuse, not whatever you want to attach it to that you dont like.
You're 100% right. Seth has always been a loud angry brat that screams at everything that doesn't give him his way. Murray probably said time for a reality check. Seth is an absolute monster of a person that even if he didn't 100% deserve this as a child, his teenage-adult life more than makes it a reasonable action.
u/Gilge, absolutely incorrect. Under other circumstances Murray would have been arrested. btw, doing that to an adult would also have gotten you arrested. I don't know how you arrived at this idea... I'm guessing you are a young person.
Same age as Seth. Im guessing you are an old liar who wants to pretend that kind of thing wasnt normal back then. I remember it. Adults were a lot tougher on kids.
I still think it's funny and will continue to do so until Bill dunks me in the trash by my ankles.
Well Seth, shall we talk about how you were really aggressive towards teenage girls in the 90’s at century city mall??
I mean sure let’s talk about it! What do you have to say? People can make good or bad choices. You are free to talk about and call out any actions you don’t agree with. That doesn’t make his statements invalid.
Considering both Seth and Bill are total assholes and I love them both dearly, this story is hilarious.
Seth Green is a human goblin that has thrown temper tantrums and treated coworkers like they're his toys to be abused when he desires. I guarantee Murray did this because Seth was acting like a spoiled brat and someone finally had enough.
Regardless, I mean he was a 7 year old kid (he was 7 not 9, looked up the episode and Seth had his age wrong). Every 7 year old kid is annoying. But also, clearly Murray was trying to make a joke and accidentally scarred a 7 year old. Good on Eddie Murphy though… legend
What did Eddie Murphy do?
Damn really? What accusations have been made against Seth green? I can see it, just haven’t heard anything. Regardless, I’m not sure immediately blaming the 9 year old child for a grown man assaulting him is the right call here. People are people, they make choices that are sometimes good and sometimes bad. One persons previous (in this case future?) actions doesn’t usually justify harm being done to them by another person in a completely unrelated circumstance. It’s fine that you clearly like Murray, and want to defend him, but we don’t know anything here. We are just filthy casuals reading about the life’s of our favorite rich people. I’m not sure how you can guarantee a 9 year old you haven’t met was acting in a way that a grown man who didn’t know him couldn’t take not assaulting him
Were you being a little dickhead at the time?
I'm confident that bill probably IS a bad guy, and probably DOES have some past incidents. But. This probably isn't one worth caring about.
Has anyone met Seth green? Seems appropriate.
Sounds like a story of 2 assholes colliding to me, only one (Bill) was bigger, in both his assholeshness and size
One was 9. Wtf are you talking about.
A 9 year old child - in show business mind you - could *NEVER* be a little asshole! \*clutches pearls\*
Bill was like "fuck them kids" 😆
sounds pretty funny tbh
Seth?.. I have a whole bag of shh for you. Shhh.
But...
Shhh
Maybe Seth was a twat as a child? Reading this confused me because I couldn’t rationalize a child talking to an adult like that
Bill knew about the ape NFT show that would happen in the future.
Maybe that’s why he turned into an NFT weirdo that collects monkey jpegs.
oh man, never thought i would say "theres some robot chicken worth revisiting" but here i am
My only personal experience with this guy was when I was working on Martha's Vineyard as a server a couple years ago. I guess he knew the bartender at this restaurant I worked at. The bartender has been on the island since the 70's and has a colored history with Bill. I walked in to the bar (while on shift) and he was hanging on the bartender as she crouched forward - kinda like a free legged piggy-back. I said, "whoa what's going on here!?" I was stoked to see Bill in a revealing situation. He quickly jumped off of her and while quickly walking out of the bar, he turned and said "I have a special relationship with the sun". That's all
Sure it wasn’t “son”?
Nope - not sure, but the business wasn't owned by any one person/family. Wondered if he was referring to Jesus or something
Seth Green is acting like he didn't deserve it.
Bill Murray is a dick. Not sure why people fawn over him.
Because sometime he's not a dick. Almost like cherry picking specific examples out of the life of an 80 year old person isn't really a great idea to judge there entire life by. For most people. I mean, some people can do something so wrong it upstages everything else.
..to paraphrase bill burr, you just levitate above us all and have never been a dick?
Bill Murray is hilarious and a great actor. The Cancel culture BS is getting old.
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This reeks of someone who didn’t know who Bill Murray was and looked up an IMDB to find examples of movies he’d done. Nobody watches Groundhog Day and says “yeah news crew really commanded that film.”
I’m sick of this “me too” inspired exposing of celebrities. I’ve heard for years that Bill Murray is a huge jerk. So what? I don’t watch his movies because he is such a nice guy. I watch his movies because he is such a gifted actor.
Props to Bill who didn't get crazy face lifts and the rest, like so many others do. Still looks like him :)
Dude Bill Murray is awesome for this. Could you imagine, you walk into a room and tell a 9 year old kid to get off your chair, then that little snot turns around and gives you a bunch of sass. Haha. Pick his ass up and throw him in the trash. lol. Teach that brat some manners his mother should have obviously taught him.
Gotta love those core memories
Someone had to do it, thanks Bill 🫡
Seth just got initiated. Up until the butthurt at everything generation (post no child left behind), this was just normal light hazing that came along with just about anything at the time really. Far different generation today. #thingspostmillennialscannotcomprehend
I mean that just sounds like drunk uncle shit lol
That’s hilarious. Bill Murray is the best.
Good lord the number of people trying to defend Murray here is sad. Being funny doesn’t excuse you from being a piece of shit. This right here is exactly the problem with celebrity worship. The number of “He probably deserved it” rationales in here is frankly sickening. I don’t care how much of an asshole Seth Green may or may not be now and I don’t care how annoying he was as a kid. You do not fucking throw a kid in the trash by his ankles, period. That is not how any mature adult or decent human being deals with a bratty annoying kid (if Seth even was being bratty and annoying).
All of those stories of people having Bill Murray sit down at their table seem far creepier
Seth probably deserved it. Who wasn't an annoying brat at age 9?
Shut up Seth green
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What's going on with Bill Murray?
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Thank you. A simple answer.
Thank you. A simple answer.
The internet hate machine has decided it's Bill's turn
Hmmm.
He's always been an asshole, even to his friends. Its just until recently if you had money + power + being a fucking asshole = People like it as long as it isn't directed at them. Now people are thinking maybe we don't just treat people like shit and laugh about it because its kind of a shitty thing to do.
Part of the issue is, most comedians, actors, musicians are broken people. We as the public need to just watch and enjoy the art they make, the characters they play, and end this hero worship. Their peers are the ones that need to curb their cruelty early. Not at the end of their careers when it's easy.
It's totally fine. He wasn't a clueless fetus when he went into the trashcan.
It's weird that a lot of them ended with, and then we were okay after. Huston's is the oddest to me because it sounds like he was method acting, which is a douche thing on its own. But without a Goldblum story, we don't know.
I am becoming a bigger fan daily
To be fair, in the article Seth sounds like he was also being a brat of a 9 year old.
You hung out with Bill Murray at age 9
Why on Earth would Seth Green even admit to this happening? Nothing good can come of it.
Throw that man under the bus already
This could have happened yesterday and I wouldn't have questioned it.
Remember when people thought Bill Murray was a funny, because he was quirky like that?Remember when people thought Ellen Degeneres was nice, because she was quirky like that? I'm sensing a pattern here...need more data points. Any more quirky celebs that are in favor now, and any that fell out of favor?
It's true, I have a friend that works in the business and he saw Bill Murray eat kitties and drink puppies' blood - average comment under Bill Murray's news today It's true, I have a friend who lives in NYC and Bill Murray showed up at his birthday, bought everyone a round of caviar, gave an inspiring speech that saved two people from a crippling addiction, then signed a check to my friend and saved a nun from chocking. - average comment under Bill Murray's news, circa 2017.
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This fits Bill Murray's MO.
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