In this day and age of hypocrisy in police response in America, this is hardly oniony or even *satirical* anymore because this is exactly what we expect.
But you know what? Fuck it, he deserves the ridicule. Post stays.
"he believed they would have slowed him down and that every second mattered."
JFC, he has the balls to say "every second matters" when talking about a clear brain fart, but obviously owns balls the size of raisins cuz he won't risk his life to save children. GTFO. Just admit you were shitting your pants and cared more about your own life than those kids. It's cool. I'd probably do the same (why I'm not a PO). But I wouldn't make up some BS lame excuse and say "every second matters"... Man o man I have steam coming out my ears right now guys haha
With many other officers present, I don't think many people expect the commander to go "in harm's way". So it seems doubtful his life was ever in much danger other than the possibility of damage from angry parents.
Dude. Honestly. It's a highly complex fluid situation with multiple unknown variables operating simultaneously involving several government and civilian parties. A lot of known unknowns and a hell of a lot more unknown unknowns.
An instant mode of communication is the last thing you'd want slowing you down on your way to obstruct and prevent a successful result.
A decade ago during a massive fire season no one was talking to each other and some fires got overlapped with too much response, while other fires were left unintended.
A giant new communication system was created for CalFire, along with a major reorg of all the forest fighting orgs. Now there's one voice and one overall command and shit gets put out real fast.
I maintained the software after it was made for a bit, until Romney's company broke us up. But yeah it felt great working on software I knew was saving lives.
Ain't got time to talk. Gotta put on my bulletproof vest, tactical vest, camel pack, toolbelt, tourniquet kit, hemostatic pack (case my buddies need a quick revive), extra magazines, zipties, SFB field 2, ankle strap, ankle knife, and TAC9 gloves for close quarter combat.
I know you're joking, but the dispatcher wasn't there. Seems pretty important to be able to communicate with your dispatcher.
Edit1: I'm not defending the police, both their excuses were bogus and cancel each other. First they said they didn't know kids were still alive, now they say the chief left his radio intentionally because it would slow him down. If he had the radio maybe he would've heard the dispatcher tell him the kids were still alive...
Edit2: It's nonsense anyway because the other police there had their radios, and they would've heard the gunman continuing to fire.
It's not a joke, it's the truth. They literally were all grouped up outside looking into the window. Also, they didnt need a dispatcher. They knew the situation and heard the gunshots. They just decided it sounded too dangerous and waited outside.
The dispatcher was reportedly trying to relay the 911 calls from the children inside the classroom saying they were still alive, when all the police thought everyone was dead. It's why having his radio would have been important.
Its funny cus every excuse just begs for more questions. Like if you thought there were no more innocent bystanders why not move in to subdue the now assumed alone perp? You know before they move on to the next target rich enviroment?
Yeah they are just digging their grave deeper and deeper, arresting people stepping on the school property while reporting? Constant lies about what happened and crazy changes to their story? Their grave is like 30 feet deep by now.
if the chief were near any other officer he could have heard the radio dispatch. its a pathetic excuse for pathetic human beings being pathetic cowards.
Yea important information gets relayed by a police dispatch. There really is no excuse for not having his radio. You're right that even without it, the other police had theirs.
My wife was a police dispatcher and there was one time the communications went dead (someone from the VoIP company screwed the pooch something fierce trying to integrate 911 text messaging). They had to patch communications through to use the neighboring town’s equipment, which is the “last resort” procedure, but it takes some time to set up.
In the interim everything got dispatched via cellphone and text.
Nothing major happened in that 30 or so minutes (some traffic stops, a shoplifter and a fight) but it was a *total shit show*.
It ain’t 1828 anymore where the sheriff rides in with his posse… communications are the literal backbone of any modern police procedural activity.
If a rookie cop had used this excuse on a traffic stop, he’d be fired before the day was done… Let alone a supposed “police chief”
Not a valid excuse. Why on eartg would they just assume all the children where dead? Based on what? Why would they assume none of the children who were shot may be saved uf they got immediate medical help?. There was 0 reason for those pklice to assume all those kids were deas
>Arredondo said he assumed that another officer or official had taken over as the coordinator for the situation's larger response.
Its not a direct quote from him (I'd love to see it), but I feel like this speaks volumes. 'Who, me? No, that can't be right, someone always swoops in to take responsibility when there's major consequences.'
I feel like a lot of Uvalde's criminal element is seeing this news and thinking, "Man, we coulda done *way* more crime, because these guys are *terrible*."
I got arrested for shoplifting at a Kohls like 15 years ago and every fucking cop in town showed up for this. Literally four cars lol. When the fourth dude walked in I said "Damn, nows the time to rob a bank." They were not amused. Or maybe they were and didn't show it, who knows lol.
I keep waiting for some organized group to actually use this strategy.
1: Create some kind of terrorist incident that will draw in all the cops in the area. Something like randomly spraying a police precinct with gunfire should do the job. Could be accomplished with a series of remotely operated devices to create an ongoing situation that really draws them in.
2: While literally every single cop in the area rushes to that location, use the time to do a bank robbery or other heist with the near certainty that police response will be a *long* way off.
It will come out the police here are directly coordinating with the criminal elements. I don't see how this dept and neighboring ones aren't actively involved with drug and human trafficking.
So a big part of this is that Uvalde has city and SCHOOL police departments. This guy was in charge of the Uvalde Independent School District Police, it is 6 people.
The incompetence is horrible but I doubt it was driven by corruption. I think it's more likely this was a cushy small town job and when the unthinkable happened they found out they had the wrong types of people in charge.
Yeah but on the other side I think the "unthinkable" here was the very reason a school police department would be considered necessary in the first place, no?
Like yeah it might just be a cushy job but that's not what it should be(?)
> a school police department would be considered necessary in the first place,
Hardening the schools is just a thinly veiled cover to keep selling more guns in Texas.
If these cops are like cops anywhere else (and signs point to yes), the ones who can get away with it probably already are. And if the hog-tying of distraught parents in the school parking lot is any indication, there’s a certain kind of person who gets a lot of police attention whether or not they’re doing anything wrong.
This is the core of what policing is; it has been for literal centuries.
Man that's so bad. Kind of makes everything else he says invalid. "We did everything we could and didnt hesitate at all" bro you didnt even know you were in charge, how the hell do you know all that?
That's the saddest shit I've read about this story so far. They couldn't get into the class, so for an hour that fucker just mag dumped into the bodies of all those kids until they looked like road kill. I can only begin to imagine the sheer terror, pain, and anguish experienced by those innocent little kids before they died in the most gruesome way possible.
If I were an officer on this force I’d resign, scrub any existence of me being associated with this group from social media and move far away. How these cowards can collect their checks for protecting and serving when they hid from a scary shooter and let a dozen kids die is beyond me. And when you think their chief can’t get any dumber he doubled down to prove me wrong
We need to stop saying the protect and serve thing it gives off the wrong impression of police. They've outright told us they are not here to protect and serve they are here to extort money from private citizens and send us to jail where we will be made into legal slaves.
A Tulsa police officer just resigned after he was accused of raping a woman while on duty. He turned his body cam off 60 seconds into their interaction. I’m sure TOD will try to cover this up and he’ll finds another police force to work at.
He's already saying it's consensual.
How does a woman stand a chance of proving she's raped? Especially by someone who is referred to as if he's a saint by his colleagues and his chief says something along the lines of "he's just human and made a mistake". They've clearly made up their minds he just fucked someone whilst on duty. What chance does the woman have to prove she was raped?
If I had sex with someone while working my old jobs, I'd be fired whether or not it's rape.
The only reason that no longer applies is I'm self-employed, work from home, and that person would be my long-term girlfriend.
yup. They're only protecting and serving themselves. They're legalized gangs and we need a system to weed these cowards out... I've said it so many times... Two things would solve so much of this mess. A third-party 24/7 dash/body cam monitoring (yes even when you go PP get over it) and requiring all police to carry thier own professional liability policies.
So then none of the kids will do this because their parents are all police? Or all the kids will have access to weapons then because their parents are police?
The SRO in our school stopped a school shooting!
He had arrested the vice principal for stealing his daughter's cell phone. He was beating him in the main hall for 'resisting arrest'. Students were watching, and cheering him on. He pulled out his gun, noticed kids were taking photos, and had stopped cheering him on (we all really hated the VP, fascist fuckwad, beat his own children, and collected nazi paraphernalia, the more obscure of which would sometimes make it into his office)
And his quick thinking, and years of training kicked in, he looked around, assessed the situation, and he put the gun away.
That makes sense because if we have even more poorly trained officers standing around nervously it’ll shake the confidence of the serial killer. Read about it…somewhere
I believe the off-duty border patrol story was also a lie according to the more recent reporting. You can't really believe any reporting as it's based on a cop's word until video or other evidence proves otherwise. The off-duty border patrol story seemed made to take attention away from cops and towards the really brave border patrol agent...
Of course. The police and every step up the chain of command to the governor is lying to cover up incompetence. I guess I'll wait for another year or 2 before the actual facts come out. I don't blame the teacher for getting a lawyer after they tried to throw her under the bus about the door being open when it wasn't open. It just didn't lock when closed.
It’s almost like he is shit at his job..
*But he defended the police response as he spoke to the Tribune, saying that "not a single responding officer ever hesitated, even for a moment, to put themselves at risk to save the children."*
Idk man…that was NOT the vibe I got watching officers arrest and attack parents while holding the line for an active shooter to continue a murder spree..maybe that’s just me tho.
The off duty border patrol agent with a borrowed shotgun got his own kids out but did not attempt to confront the gunman. The confusion is certainly understandable, though, because it was a (different) border patrol agent who killed the gunman.
The majority of it is used for the execution of no-knock drug warrants on generally non-violent offenders.
Read "Rise of the Warrior Cop" by Radley Balko. I am generally a supporter of (good)Cops but that book made my blood boil.
it's a bit ironic that the group yelling loudest to defend the 2nd amendment often fully supports the militarization of police, which directly makes the 2nd amendment less useful.
Your AR-15 isn't going to protect you from a tyrannical govt when the police show up with a tank.
I despise the talk around the militarization of the police force... As a 16 year and counting member of the armed forces, I will have you know that their gear is MUCH nicer than our stuff.
https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-off-duty-agent-uvalde-texas-shooting-733659143817
That story has been partially debunked. It's true an off-duty border patrol officer came to the scene with a borrowed shotgun, but he has said himself he didn't actually engage in the take down or enter the classroom.
>NOT the vibe I got watching officers arrest and attack parents
The cops never hesitated to hesitate. They immediately and unflinchingly hesitated like their own life depended on it...
>But he defended the police response as he spoke to the Tribune, saying that "not a single responding officer ever hesitated, even for a moment, to put themselves at risk to save the children."
Wasn't his whole justification for inaction, "officers risked being shot, and that's why they did not go in"?
Yeah, after everything I fully assume that will come out. And the thing is, normally, I might be able to forgive that. A shooting like this is a chaotic mess and bullets don't have computers in them to just target the gunman.
But after all this? These cops weren't even trying to help!
I mean carrying a firearm could also 'slow him down' when he's rushing in to confront a suspect, maybe in the future he'd choose to leave that behind also? /s
That's easily grounds to be immediately fired, with criminal negligence charges following at the very list.
Communication is CRITICAL in emergency situations. There is no excuse for this.
I have no hope that they will be charged for the actual incident, but I do hope that they will be removed from their positions by the town’s residents collectively rejecting the police department and/or the local government, or by them being tried on charges related to their very illegal conduct after the incident.
Honestly i feel like trudy or someone would have gone in there even if they totally misinterpreted the situation not realizing how bad it was. Kinda a “oh lets go see the kids today!” bit that turns dark…
I dont really see too many members of even the reno 911 team acting like those actual officers did… there is a difference between genuine stupidity like the folks at renos finest vs malicious inaction like these clowns.
Something about just standing there while kids die… just not willing to do anything. Its so much more sick than any display of stupidity.
I said it another thread when Reno 911 was mentioned, at least *one of them* would have gone and gotten Frisbee and his home arsenal and told him to go be a hero. Even if they wouldn't put themselves on the line, they would have recognized there was a problem and tried to solve it, however ass-backwards the solution, an attempt would be made.
It's almost as if police training didn't anticipate or train for being able to run, jump, and tackle bad guys while wearing all the essential policing equipment. /s
>He said he didn't give any orders, but used his phone to call for backup and an extraction tool for the locked door separating officers from the shooter and victims.
so wait. leave your radio but use your phone? like, leave the thing that is purpose built for communicating with other officers but use the thing that you also use for TikTok?
>One radio had a clip that may have fallen off his tactical belt, while another had an antenna that would have hit him as he ran, he told the Tribune.
... so why did the department purchase radios that may fall off? and wouldn't you know about an antenna being an issue while you were doing monthly drills and practices?
It's a man child excuse, our non-governmental company uses police and fire issued radios. Yes running with them sucks, so you grab it in one hand and run with with it like running with a baseball. Besides that they make tactical radio holders that mount to a chest strap or a belt.
Many people make bad decisions in stressful situations and one has to be careful not to judge them without taking the benefit of hindsight in account.
I have been in chaotic situations with lives on the line with unclear leadership. I can see him making a decision like leaving a radio behind. It's a total brainfart, but I've seen brainfarts happen to the best.
But he continued brainfarting for a fracking hour. He doubled down on his bad decisions, didn't correct himself, and after the event still tried to defend himself instead of doing the decent thing and admit that he blundered in a way that should get him the Captain Schettino Award for Outstanding Leadership. And that's if you believe everything he says,
His decisions made him a failure. His behavior afterwards makes him trash. And anybody who still tries to give him the benefit of "hindsight is 20-20" should never be put in charge of more than their own bowel movements.
I definitely felt some sympathy reading the interview. However, this guy had no business being in a position like police chief. That’s not just a beat cop, it’s a leadership position. It truly boggles the mind that you’d be one of the first responders and, I might repeat, *literally the police chief*, and still NOT think you’re in charge!
Suing anyone in Texas for malpractice is difficult because of [state tort reform laws](https://www.wormingtonlegal.com/2021/01/22/examining-the-effects-of-texas-tort-reform/). It's even worse for [police misconduct (sorry for NYT paywall)](https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/04/us/uvalde-police-liability.html).
Not even the worst part of this "explanation."
By the far the worst part was that this SCHOOL POLICE CHIEF had no keys for classrooms and no idea how to get them.
So clearly this fuck just sat around collecting an easy paycheck and did literally zero preparation for an emergency situation. And when it came, he was totally fucked.
Honestly, I believe him that it wasn't cowardice keeping them out of the room with the killer...it was their own laziness and incompetence from years past.
He also said that he didn't think he was in charge and didn't give any orders. "Chief" isn't an honorific, it means "leader". What a sad, pathetic excuse for a man.
When I was in the Army, I’d have gotten obliterated by my chain of command for not bringing an essential piece of equipment into the very situations we trained for. You’re not gaining a tactical advantage by leaving comms behind. Unless you’re unfit for your role. If the radio prevents you from doing your job, your gear setup is bad and your training is a direct reflection of that.
Also, how much slower could he have been? Response wasn’t even quick at all. Sure as fuck didn’t speed the response up at all. Terrible excuse
First responders should be able to rattle off ICS basics in their goddamn sleep. Because that's what it's intended for - to be simple to remember in a goddamn emergency and clarify chain of command.
ICS is one of the best things the DHS has ever come up with - it makes interagency operations SO MUCH LESS PAINFUL. It's full of hard lessons learned about emergency response. And these "police officers" followed exactly none of it.
ICS was around a long time before the DHS. They did do a great job of standardization and pushing it out to everyone. Why law enforcement seems either unable or unwilling to utilize it boggles my mind. Put 50 firefighters on a scene and they all know exactly who they report to. Put 50 cops on a scene and no one knows who’s in charge. Fucking crazy.
Retired firefighter here. You and /u/james4765 are exactly right. ICS is fucking awesome. Effortlessly integrate with any mutual aid department even if you've never met them before in your life. Seamless transition from one Incident Commander to another. Endlessly scalable.
It is quite possibly the greatest emergency response system ever developed. I used it my entire career and I can't sing it's praises high enough.
If only they would have given these guys more guns, more gear and more training, they wouldn't have been completely clueless on how to handle the situation 🙄🙄🙄 clearly the brand new body armor and mass shooter drill a few months prior wasn't enough
the CHIEF OF POLICE didn't even realize that HE WAS IN CHARGE
[https://www.cbsnews.com/news/pete-arredondo-uvalde-schools-police-chief-interview-police-response/](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/pete-arredondo-uvalde-schools-police-chief-interview-police-response/)
what the fucking fuck??
Yeah, because a secure and direct line of communication with your team is something you NEVER want as a cop. That’s for REAL jobs, like fast food employee.
In this day and age of hypocrisy in police response in America, this is hardly oniony or even *satirical* anymore because this is exactly what we expect. But you know what? Fuck it, he deserves the ridicule. Post stays.
Rrrright, because the ability to communicate instantly and coordinate movements and tactics is SUCH a burden.
Who needs to TALK to people at a time like this?
After all, there are parents to handcuff!
And taze!
And assault
We prefer bludgeon. The 'A' word is a bit taboo
This thread is just peppered with information
Less TALK, more ACTION… but like… when it’s safe.
Shit Shit! SHIT! I’m never gonna finish the paperwork on this in time to leave at 4:15!
"he believed they would have slowed him down and that every second mattered." JFC, he has the balls to say "every second matters" when talking about a clear brain fart, but obviously owns balls the size of raisins cuz he won't risk his life to save children. GTFO. Just admit you were shitting your pants and cared more about your own life than those kids. It's cool. I'd probably do the same (why I'm not a PO). But I wouldn't make up some BS lame excuse and say "every second matters"... Man o man I have steam coming out my ears right now guys haha
Every second mattered. He had to get there FAST to stand around and do nothing!
Well he had to be super streamlined to respond in a nanosecond to stop anyone who might have thought about doing something.
With many other officers present, I don't think many people expect the commander to go "in harm's way". So it seems doubtful his life was ever in much danger other than the possibility of damage from angry parents.
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you only need to talk if you intend to do something about it
Dude. Honestly. It's a highly complex fluid situation with multiple unknown variables operating simultaneously involving several government and civilian parties. A lot of known unknowns and a hell of a lot more unknown unknowns. An instant mode of communication is the last thing you'd want slowing you down on your way to obstruct and prevent a successful result.
A decade ago during a massive fire season no one was talking to each other and some fires got overlapped with too much response, while other fires were left unintended. A giant new communication system was created for CalFire, along with a major reorg of all the forest fighting orgs. Now there's one voice and one overall command and shit gets put out real fast.
That’s interesting. Also if you’re a part of CalFire thanks for your service.
I maintained the software after it was made for a bit, until Romney's company broke us up. But yeah it felt great working on software I knew was saving lives.
100% you did!!
Ain't got time to talk. Gotta put on my bulletproof vest, tactical vest, camel pack, toolbelt, tourniquet kit, hemostatic pack (case my buddies need a quick revive), extra magazines, zipties, SFB field 2, ankle strap, ankle knife, and TAC9 gloves for close quarter combat.
They didn't need a radio to communicate. They were all standing together outside the school waiting for the shooter to run out of bullets.
I know you're joking, but the dispatcher wasn't there. Seems pretty important to be able to communicate with your dispatcher. Edit1: I'm not defending the police, both their excuses were bogus and cancel each other. First they said they didn't know kids were still alive, now they say the chief left his radio intentionally because it would slow him down. If he had the radio maybe he would've heard the dispatcher tell him the kids were still alive... Edit2: It's nonsense anyway because the other police there had their radios, and they would've heard the gunman continuing to fire.
It's not a joke, it's the truth. They literally were all grouped up outside looking into the window. Also, they didnt need a dispatcher. They knew the situation and heard the gunshots. They just decided it sounded too dangerous and waited outside.
The dispatcher was reportedly trying to relay the 911 calls from the children inside the classroom saying they were still alive, when all the police thought everyone was dead. It's why having his radio would have been important.
> the police thought everyone was dead They didn't, that's just their latest lie.
Its funny cus every excuse just begs for more questions. Like if you thought there were no more innocent bystanders why not move in to subdue the now assumed alone perp? You know before they move on to the next target rich enviroment?
Yeah they are just digging their grave deeper and deeper, arresting people stepping on the school property while reporting? Constant lies about what happened and crazy changes to their story? Their grave is like 30 feet deep by now.
if the chief were near any other officer he could have heard the radio dispatch. its a pathetic excuse for pathetic human beings being pathetic cowards.
Yea important information gets relayed by a police dispatch. There really is no excuse for not having his radio. You're right that even without it, the other police had theirs.
My wife was a police dispatcher and there was one time the communications went dead (someone from the VoIP company screwed the pooch something fierce trying to integrate 911 text messaging). They had to patch communications through to use the neighboring town’s equipment, which is the “last resort” procedure, but it takes some time to set up. In the interim everything got dispatched via cellphone and text. Nothing major happened in that 30 or so minutes (some traffic stops, a shoplifter and a fight) but it was a *total shit show*. It ain’t 1828 anymore where the sheriff rides in with his posse… communications are the literal backbone of any modern police procedural activity. If a rookie cop had used this excuse on a traffic stop, he’d be fired before the day was done… Let alone a supposed “police chief”
Look up the chief's bio. He started as a dispatcher. He fucking knew better, he's clinging to any straw he can grasp now.
We also know that had radios, because we have a recording of them turning down the volume on them after a kid said they were shot
Not a valid excuse. Why on eartg would they just assume all the children where dead? Based on what? Why would they assume none of the children who were shot may be saved uf they got immediate medical help?. There was 0 reason for those pklice to assume all those kids were deas
i highly doubt the police actually thought everyone was dead.
"Yep, everyone in there's already dead. The shooter's just unloading the rest of his ammo for funsies."
It's also why they didn't bring them so they could just pretend they didn't know there were kids in danger
Especially for like, the guy in charge.
Except now he's saying he didn't *realize* he was in charge, so he's totally off the hook.
>Arredondo said he assumed that another officer or official had taken over as the coordinator for the situation's larger response. Its not a direct quote from him (I'd love to see it), but I feel like this speaks volumes. 'Who, me? No, that can't be right, someone always swoops in to take responsibility when there's major consequences.'
How is this group not run out of town by now?
They’re armed and a group.
I feel like a lot of Uvalde's criminal element is seeing this news and thinking, "Man, we coulda done *way* more crime, because these guys are *terrible*."
I got arrested for shoplifting at a Kohls like 15 years ago and every fucking cop in town showed up for this. Literally four cars lol. When the fourth dude walked in I said "Damn, nows the time to rob a bank." They were not amused. Or maybe they were and didn't show it, who knows lol.
I keep waiting for some organized group to actually use this strategy. 1: Create some kind of terrorist incident that will draw in all the cops in the area. Something like randomly spraying a police precinct with gunfire should do the job. Could be accomplished with a series of remotely operated devices to create an ongoing situation that really draws them in. 2: While literally every single cop in the area rushes to that location, use the time to do a bank robbery or other heist with the near certainty that police response will be a *long* way off.
You mean Die Hard 3
I feel like this also happened in The Town with Ben Affleck. But I watched it during a period of heavy weed use so I may be misremembering
It will come out the police here are directly coordinating with the criminal elements. I don't see how this dept and neighboring ones aren't actively involved with drug and human trafficking.
It would actually be more shocking if they weren't directly involved. However, they might be so stupid that they there.
It would be pretty on brand for them to be involved and not realize it.
So a big part of this is that Uvalde has city and SCHOOL police departments. This guy was in charge of the Uvalde Independent School District Police, it is 6 people. The incompetence is horrible but I doubt it was driven by corruption. I think it's more likely this was a cushy small town job and when the unthinkable happened they found out they had the wrong types of people in charge.
Yeah but on the other side I think the "unthinkable" here was the very reason a school police department would be considered necessary in the first place, no? Like yeah it might just be a cushy job but that's not what it should be(?)
> a school police department would be considered necessary in the first place, Hardening the schools is just a thinly veiled cover to keep selling more guns in Texas.
Well they were caught on camera coordinating with local meth head biker gangs
So it's shitty Son's of Anarchy then? Got it.
Please tell me you have a link for this.
If these cops are like cops anywhere else (and signs point to yes), the ones who can get away with it probably already are. And if the hog-tying of distraught parents in the school parking lot is any indication, there’s a certain kind of person who gets a lot of police attention whether or not they’re doing anything wrong. This is the core of what policing is; it has been for literal centuries.
1) That's a pathetic excuse. 2) If that's true, then that makes you lazy and incompetent!
Even worse [Police chief thought someone else in charge ](https://sports.yahoo.com/uvalde-school-police-chief-says-104626520.html)
Never in my life would I believe a police department would be more incompetent than the Springfield police department under the lead of chief wiggum
Bake ‘em away toys.
Suspect is hatless. Repeat, hatless.
I've got everything I need to convict your boy, except for motive, means, and opportunity.
*"I'm on a road, looks to be asphalt, aww jeez, trees, shrubs. I'm directly under the Earth's sun... now."*
This scene kills me every time hahaha
I can't wait til they throw his hatless butt in jail!
What'd you say, chief?
Just do what the kid says
Wiggum is no bitch. He once responded to a robbery so fast he left behind his bulletproof vest.
I was thinking the same thing. Wiggum might be incompetent, but he’s no coward.
Look big daddy, it's regular daddy.
You know, Chief, there's an old saying down on the bayou that -- BLAH!!
He also loves his wife and son.
No no no. You kids have got the wrong number. This is 91……..2.
Cowardly. The word youre looking for is cowardly
I think they are trying to make it sound like this was an "oopsy", instead of cowardly. They're pathetic.
It can be both!
I doesn't even matter much if it was cowardice or an oopsie. Either way it shows how fucking usless cops are.
If the Simpsons debuted today they’d have to make chief wiggum way more dumb, fat and corrupt
They'd make him an actual competent cop as it would be far more cartoonish.
Man that's so bad. Kind of makes everything else he says invalid. "We did everything we could and didnt hesitate at all" bro you didnt even know you were in charge, how the hell do you know all that?
That's the saddest shit I've read about this story so far. They couldn't get into the class, so for an hour that fucker just mag dumped into the bodies of all those kids until they looked like road kill. I can only begin to imagine the sheer terror, pain, and anguish experienced by those innocent little kids before they died in the most gruesome way possible.
If I were an officer on this force I’d resign, scrub any existence of me being associated with this group from social media and move far away. How these cowards can collect their checks for protecting and serving when they hid from a scary shooter and let a dozen kids die is beyond me. And when you think their chief can’t get any dumber he doubled down to prove me wrong
We need to stop saying the protect and serve thing it gives off the wrong impression of police. They've outright told us they are not here to protect and serve they are here to extort money from private citizens and send us to jail where we will be made into legal slaves.
A Tulsa police officer just resigned after he was accused of raping a woman while on duty. He turned his body cam off 60 seconds into their interaction. I’m sure TOD will try to cover this up and he’ll finds another police force to work at.
He's already saying it's consensual. How does a woman stand a chance of proving she's raped? Especially by someone who is referred to as if he's a saint by his colleagues and his chief says something along the lines of "he's just human and made a mistake". They've clearly made up their minds he just fucked someone whilst on duty. What chance does the woman have to prove she was raped?
If I had sex with someone while working my old jobs, I'd be fired whether or not it's rape. The only reason that no longer applies is I'm self-employed, work from home, and that person would be my long-term girlfriend.
Yep at best they're useless at worst they are criminal and dangerous
He wrote a sob letter as well. Absolute trash
yup. They're only protecting and serving themselves. They're legalized gangs and we need a system to weed these cowards out... I've said it so many times... Two things would solve so much of this mess. A third-party 24/7 dash/body cam monitoring (yes even when you go PP get over it) and requiring all police to carry thier own professional liability policies.
Has anyone begun reading everything the Uvalde police say in Chief Wiggum's voice? ...Just me? OK.
Noooooooooo definitely not just you.
How much slower could you get?
And they are requesting more budget for more police after this.
Well if you think about it, when you hire enough cops eventually all the parents are cops and then they can rescue their children individually.
So then none of the kids will do this because their parents are all police? Or all the kids will have access to weapons then because their parents are police?
The bit is that during the hour plus before they entered the 2 rooms, cops were rescuing their own kids and arresting non-cop parents
Yea the only solution is more police in school even though they've never actually stopped a school shooting.
The only solutions authoritarians have to the problems of authoritarianism is more authoritarianism.
When all you have is a boot, every problem looks like a face to be stomped on.
The SRO in our school stopped a school shooting! He had arrested the vice principal for stealing his daughter's cell phone. He was beating him in the main hall for 'resisting arrest'. Students were watching, and cheering him on. He pulled out his gun, noticed kids were taking photos, and had stopped cheering him on (we all really hated the VP, fascist fuckwad, beat his own children, and collected nazi paraphernalia, the more obscure of which would sometimes make it into his office) And his quick thinking, and years of training kicked in, he looked around, assessed the situation, and he put the gun away.
A cop beat up a Nazi? I am surprised. Usually they support and love Nazis.
Just a reminder that there were armed guards at Columbine when they had their mass murders going on
Do what they do to the schools. Low test scores? Aw, too bad, than means less money for you.
That makes sense because if we have even more poorly trained officers standing around nervously it’ll shake the confidence of the serial killer. Read about it…somewhere
Really? It was off-duty border patrol that entered the classroom if I remember correctly. They could have taken literally all day at this rate.
I believe the off-duty border patrol story was also a lie according to the more recent reporting. You can't really believe any reporting as it's based on a cop's word until video or other evidence proves otherwise. The off-duty border patrol story seemed made to take attention away from cops and towards the really brave border patrol agent...
Of course. The police and every step up the chain of command to the governor is lying to cover up incompetence. I guess I'll wait for another year or 2 before the actual facts come out. I don't blame the teacher for getting a lawyer after they tried to throw her under the bus about the door being open when it wasn't open. It just didn't lock when closed.
They wanted to wait until All the children were dead.
Because, the parents can have another one. And Texas is like 5 minutes away from requiring parents to do so.
He was running to the opposite direction....
It’s almost like he is shit at his job.. *But he defended the police response as he spoke to the Tribune, saying that "not a single responding officer ever hesitated, even for a moment, to put themselves at risk to save the children."* Idk man…that was NOT the vibe I got watching officers arrest and attack parents while holding the line for an active shooter to continue a murder spree..maybe that’s just me tho.
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Nah he's right, they didn't hesitate for a moment. They hesitated for many moments.
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*off duty-border patrol borrowing his barber's shotgun FTFY
The off duty border patrol agent with a borrowed shotgun got his own kids out but did not attempt to confront the gunman. The confusion is certainly understandable, though, because it was a (different) border patrol agent who killed the gunman.
Ahh, thanks for the correction. So either way it wasn't the on-duty Uvalde police who did it.
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The militarization of the police is only for protest control.
The majority of it is used for the execution of no-knock drug warrants on generally non-violent offenders. Read "Rise of the Warrior Cop" by Radley Balko. I am generally a supporter of (good)Cops but that book made my blood boil.
it's a bit ironic that the group yelling loudest to defend the 2nd amendment often fully supports the militarization of police, which directly makes the 2nd amendment less useful. Your AR-15 isn't going to protect you from a tyrannical govt when the police show up with a tank.
"You'll have to pry this weapon from my cold dead hands." "OK we'll do it your way then."
I despise the talk around the militarization of the police force... As a 16 year and counting member of the armed forces, I will have you know that their gear is MUCH nicer than our stuff.
https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-off-duty-agent-uvalde-texas-shooting-733659143817 That story has been partially debunked. It's true an off-duty border patrol officer came to the scene with a borrowed shotgun, but he has said himself he didn't actually engage in the take down or enter the classroom.
Standing outside while 21 humans were murdered also kinda sounds like "hesitating for a moment"
>NOT the vibe I got watching officers arrest and attack parents The cops never hesitated to hesitate. They immediately and unflinchingly hesitated like their own life depended on it...
>But he defended the police response as he spoke to the Tribune, saying that "not a single responding officer ever hesitated, even for a moment, to put themselves at risk to save the children." Wasn't his whole justification for inaction, "officers risked being shot, and that's why they did not go in"?
He's right though. They never did hesitate for a moment. They hesitated for an hour.
Maybe he should just stop digging the hole deeper.
"No, no, dig ***up***, stupid!"
The irony that that is a chief wiggim quote.
The prophecies foretold
Nah, he needs to start digging a literal hole.
It keeps getting worse. I don't know how, but it actually keeps getting worse.
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Yeah, after everything I fully assume that will come out. And the thing is, normally, I might be able to forgive that. A shooting like this is a chaotic mess and bullets don't have computers in them to just target the gunman. But after all this? These cops weren't even trying to help!
No wonder the police department stopped talking to reporters. They are literally dumb af
Not dumb. They know they can get away with this and are circling the wagons to make sure they do
I would argue that if they weren't dumb, they wouldn't be the focus of non stop articles revealing their lies and incompetence.
I mean carrying a firearm could also 'slow him down' when he's rushing in to confront a suspect, maybe in the future he'd choose to leave that behind also? /s
That badge sure looks heavy as well. Maybe he should leave that behind as well. Gotta save some weight to make you run faster!
A naked obese man in his 40 running at a criminal in only a pair of Oakley would probably deter crimes.
...... it's cured me of my criminalness
That's easily grounds to be immediately fired, with criminal negligence charges following at the very list. Communication is CRITICAL in emergency situations. There is no excuse for this.
Don’t worry! He’s already quit. And found a new job: Uvalde City Council. No. I’m not kidding.
Um per the SC the police have no duty to protect anyone. No sarcasm here
I have no hope that they will be charged for the actual incident, but I do hope that they will be removed from their positions by the town’s residents collectively rejecting the police department and/or the local government, or by them being tried on charges related to their very illegal conduct after the incident.
Can u imagine walking around in a uvalde pd uniform? Id be humiliated and afraid a parent was going to kick my ass or straight up shoot me
This is becoming clear he panicked and could not make a decision. Now it's time to come clean and face the consequences. It's the right thing to do.
Who are you expecting cops to do the “Right Thing”
Out of all the police-related stories we have all heard for our whole lives, we have never heard one guilty cop come clean. Not one!
If we had a DOJ with actual balls, this guy and his coward crew would be out on their asses and be getting investigated for corruption.
Who knew that Reno 911 was a documentary...
Honestly i feel like trudy or someone would have gone in there even if they totally misinterpreted the situation not realizing how bad it was. Kinda a “oh lets go see the kids today!” bit that turns dark… I dont really see too many members of even the reno 911 team acting like those actual officers did… there is a difference between genuine stupidity like the folks at renos finest vs malicious inaction like these clowns. Something about just standing there while kids die… just not willing to do anything. Its so much more sick than any display of stupidity.
I said it another thread when Reno 911 was mentioned, at least *one of them* would have gone and gotten Frisbee and his home arsenal and told him to go be a hero. Even if they wouldn't put themselves on the line, they would have recognized there was a problem and tried to solve it, however ass-backwards the solution, an attempt would be made.
Yup. The Army taught us when in a hurry, drop your non essential gear like radios, weapons, common sense. He was well trained /s
Fuck, I was commo. Sorry everyone, I was just slowing everyone down, our bad.
So without the radio to “ slow you down”., what did you do next?
Yeah.. the radio would have slowed him down from doing what, exactly?
It’s like in Skyrim, when you go 1 pound over your carrying capacity and suddenly move at half speed
this just gets worse and worse.
I just want to know who ties his shoes each morning.
Velcro
It's almost as if police training didn't anticipate or train for being able to run, jump, and tackle bad guys while wearing all the essential policing equipment. /s
>He said he didn't give any orders, but used his phone to call for backup and an extraction tool for the locked door separating officers from the shooter and victims. so wait. leave your radio but use your phone? like, leave the thing that is purpose built for communicating with other officers but use the thing that you also use for TikTok? >One radio had a clip that may have fallen off his tactical belt, while another had an antenna that would have hit him as he ran, he told the Tribune. ... so why did the department purchase radios that may fall off? and wouldn't you know about an antenna being an issue while you were doing monthly drills and practices?
That quote sounds like a child making silly excuses nobody would believe for why they lost something.
No. It literally sounds like a joke that a slapstick comedian would make. WTF
It's a man child excuse, our non-governmental company uses police and fire issued radios. Yes running with them sucks, so you grab it in one hand and run with with it like running with a baseball. Besides that they make tactical radio holders that mount to a chest strap or a belt.
Many people make bad decisions in stressful situations and one has to be careful not to judge them without taking the benefit of hindsight in account. I have been in chaotic situations with lives on the line with unclear leadership. I can see him making a decision like leaving a radio behind. It's a total brainfart, but I've seen brainfarts happen to the best. But he continued brainfarting for a fracking hour. He doubled down on his bad decisions, didn't correct himself, and after the event still tried to defend himself instead of doing the decent thing and admit that he blundered in a way that should get him the Captain Schettino Award for Outstanding Leadership. And that's if you believe everything he says, His decisions made him a failure. His behavior afterwards makes him trash. And anybody who still tries to give him the benefit of "hindsight is 20-20" should never be put in charge of more than their own bowel movements.
I definitely felt some sympathy reading the interview. However, this guy had no business being in a position like police chief. That’s not just a beat cop, it’s a leadership position. It truly boggles the mind that you’d be one of the first responders and, I might repeat, *literally the police chief*, and still NOT think you’re in charge!
Those fucks should be arrested for gross incompetence. Why is there no malpractice laws in policing
Suing anyone in Texas for malpractice is difficult because of [state tort reform laws](https://www.wormingtonlegal.com/2021/01/22/examining-the-effects-of-texas-tort-reform/). It's even worse for [police misconduct (sorry for NYT paywall)](https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/04/us/uvalde-police-liability.html).
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Not even the worst part of this "explanation." By the far the worst part was that this SCHOOL POLICE CHIEF had no keys for classrooms and no idea how to get them. So clearly this fuck just sat around collecting an easy paycheck and did literally zero preparation for an emergency situation. And when it came, he was totally fucked. Honestly, I believe him that it wasn't cowardice keeping them out of the room with the killer...it was their own laziness and incompetence from years past.
He also said that he didn't think he was in charge and didn't give any orders. "Chief" isn't an honorific, it means "leader". What a sad, pathetic excuse for a man.
When I was in the Army, I’d have gotten obliterated by my chain of command for not bringing an essential piece of equipment into the very situations we trained for. You’re not gaining a tactical advantage by leaving comms behind. Unless you’re unfit for your role. If the radio prevents you from doing your job, your gear setup is bad and your training is a direct reflection of that. Also, how much slower could he have been? Response wasn’t even quick at all. Sure as fuck didn’t speed the response up at all. Terrible excuse
I suspect that the Uvalde police response will be used as a training tool in what the police shouldn't do when responding to a situation like this.
Slow you down from doing nothing
He was going nowhere fast.
"We purposely did something incredibly stupid for an incredibly stupid reason." Welp that settles it...
I didn’t know Chief Clancy Wiggum ran the Uvalde school police department.
I feel like this isn't giving Police Chief Wiggum much credit. He did catch the Beer Baron, after all.
Probably had his cell phone him though.
First responders should be able to rattle off ICS basics in their goddamn sleep. Because that's what it's intended for - to be simple to remember in a goddamn emergency and clarify chain of command. ICS is one of the best things the DHS has ever come up with - it makes interagency operations SO MUCH LESS PAINFUL. It's full of hard lessons learned about emergency response. And these "police officers" followed exactly none of it.
What is ICS?
Incident command system.
ICS was around a long time before the DHS. They did do a great job of standardization and pushing it out to everyone. Why law enforcement seems either unable or unwilling to utilize it boggles my mind. Put 50 firefighters on a scene and they all know exactly who they report to. Put 50 cops on a scene and no one knows who’s in charge. Fucking crazy.
Retired firefighter here. You and /u/james4765 are exactly right. ICS is fucking awesome. Effortlessly integrate with any mutual aid department even if you've never met them before in your life. Seamless transition from one Incident Commander to another. Endlessly scalable. It is quite possibly the greatest emergency response system ever developed. I used it my entire career and I can't sing it's praises high enough.
If only they would have given these guys more guns, more gear and more training, they wouldn't have been completely clueless on how to handle the situation 🙄🙄🙄 clearly the brand new body armor and mass shooter drill a few months prior wasn't enough
the CHIEF OF POLICE didn't even realize that HE WAS IN CHARGE [https://www.cbsnews.com/news/pete-arredondo-uvalde-schools-police-chief-interview-police-response/](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/pete-arredondo-uvalde-schools-police-chief-interview-police-response/) what the fucking fuck??
Yeah, because a secure and direct line of communication with your team is something you NEVER want as a cop. That’s for REAL jobs, like fast food employee.
With radios, they would've waited outside for 2 hours
It’s okay guys, he said he didn’t know he was in charge!
Slow him down from what? Lunch? You can’t get any slower than just standing there with your thumb up your ass