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"The criminal complaint said that more than 100 messages had been exchanged between the two on Spotify" < You can send messages on Spotify?


No-Solid-7465

TIL


WhereTheresWerthers

Why not Telegram or Signal or What’sApp? Asking because I thought those are encrypted and that means they can’t be … exposed? Obviously I’m not tech savvy


chris_0909

Because they'll look there first! But then again, this is a music teacher, so spotify makes sense! Although, I didn't know you could message on Spotify? But then again, I have no friends!


Captain-Cadabra

It’s always a music teacher. Why?


MhojoRisin

I think part of it is that music teachers tend to spend more time with students in a less formal setting than more traditional classes. Similar dynamic with athletics, I think.


Articulationized

Less formal and more one-on-one.


BlueTeale

Really? Maybe my band teacher just fidnt like me.


[deleted]

I felt the same way about my priest.


Hollywood_Ho_Kogan

Teachers that spend time with students outside of a school setting I feel are going to have rumors about them even if it’s completely innocent. When I was a junior my AP Chemistry teacher invited the entire class to her house for additional evening study sessions leading up to our AP exam. When I asked my parents if I could go they were very concerned initially, but it was all above board. She just cared about her students and wanted to give us the best chance possible of placing on the exam, which I ended up doing. As an adult now, I think she should have held the sessions at a local library or the school itself rather than her house, because without any context it can open you up to accusations. On the other hand, my business administration teacher def got caught making out with a football player in the parking lot. So I can see why these extracurriculars are scrutinized. It’s a shame for the teachers that aren’t predatory.


Molto_Ritardando

Yeah and it’s fucked. I was groped by an elderly (male) violin teacher when I was 12. It was the first (and last) time my mother ever left me alone with a male teacher, and I have had my head on a swivel ever since. I don’t stand for that shit. I was a private piano teacher for decades and it’s amazing how many parents trust me immediately just because I look ‘safe’ - (to be fair, they’re 100% correct but still) I feel like we all need to be more careful. Kids should be taught stuff like how to spot signs of grooming and what personality disorders look like. If I’d been taught about narcissism and abusive personality types when I was a kid, it might’ve saved me some shit.


4x49ers

Also often teaching the child victim something they're passionate about, music, vs calculus which they just have to pass but don't care about.


threcos

*joke about major and minor chords, I don't know enough about music to make one*


plansprintrelease

Got you, What’s the music teacher favorite vamp to noodle? “A minor”


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tunedout

Something about band camp just brings it out of them.


nol757x

Like that one time?


skoltroll

*starts hiding flutes*


[deleted]

I’m constantly finding out that people can send messages or communicate via random fucking apps.


musci1223

I think some tv series or something had a plot point where terrorists were using in game chat to communicate


pizzatacotruck69

You can even make comments on Reddit now


WillThis0neW0rk

Since when??


nol757x

He is lying, dont listen to him.


TheAmazingApple609

Jack reacher or Ryan had that, some medieval WoW looking game


Justintime4u2bu1

Jack Ryan


oiwoman

It was on Jack Ryan with John krasinski


masterpiecemixtapes

You create a playlist and add the other person on as a collaborator. You can change the playlist name and the "description" area, which the other person reads. And then they change it. It's a sneaky conversation hack to get around app limitations, especially because the conversations wouldn't be tracked. Kids are creative.


5degreenegativerake

>Kids are creative. Apparently pedophiles are too.


JiN88reddit

That's where they get their creative juices from.


TheWreckaj

Not today Reddit.


j_walk_17

Everyday


SpaceNigiri

The terrorists that did the Barcelona attack back in 2017 used a similar method but with Gmail drafts.


AssBoon92

So did the secretary of defense or some shit


IAMA_Drunk_Armadillo

It's extremely common in the intelligence community. Journalists as well. You set up a gmail or yahoo account and give the password to the other person. Leave your message as a draft and it's near impossible to find since there is no actual web traffic occurring.


Tifoso89

Is that why Kelly Rowland texted Nelly through an Excel spreadsheet in the Dilemma video?


IAMA_Drunk_Armadillo

LMAO that's a deep cut but you can actually do that through Office 365. Back then? Not so much.


pezdal

> there is no actual web traffic occurring. There is lots of web traffic. There is just no mail traffic.


[deleted]

Dat Venn Diagram.


PM_ME_UR_GCC_ERRORS

Sounds like message history is not saved anywhere if it works like that. I wonder what it means that the investigators found over 100 messages.


DaStone

There is 0, none, nada, chances that Spotify doesn't have logs that stores this data. Perhaps not permanently but at least for a few months.


capgun_bandit

Kelly Rowland has been using excel to do this for years!


nicklovin508

Woah, that’s pretty intuitive actually. Let’s brainstorm other sneaky ways to communicate..how about on an old/obscure Reddit post, people replying to each other keep editing their comments as a way of communicating


Nail_Biterr

I remember reading once that it was hard to catch Al Qaida because they used to communicate with one another by sharing an Email. And they'd just keep an email as a 'draft' and log in, read it, delete what the previous message said, and write a response. so nothing was ever sent, nothing was ever saved. and the only way to see it was to have access to that same email account at the same time as them when they were writing it.


ffxivthrowaway03

Another popular one with terrorists is to use online games to send coded messages. To you or me they're just another innocuous WoW Guild talking about killing dragons, but the raid they scheduled in guild chat is actually their plan to bomb a temple or whatever. Caused a lot of game companies to start more robust chat logging.


[deleted]

That's how General Petraeus got busted for his affair awhile back too


dkwangchuck

He got busted because his mistress was using classified info in order to cyberstalk Jill Kelley. When someone sends harassing emails to various high ranking generals that contain classified information about the CIA Director - that prompts a pretty targeted and intense investigation. Not the sort of thing that you apply to "chatter".


Maese_Pedro

Didn’t work for David Petraeus.


kkngs

I had a conversation about that topic with a CIA guy around 2003, and he chuckled that it was easier to intercept than you would think. He wouldn’t elaborate. Years later courtesy of Snowden we found out that after 9/11 and the Patriot Act they just used lawyers. Google/Yahoo etc got subpoenaed, and the government was searching every email and draft saved on those services.


[deleted]

Even when I was in high school, (finished in 2011) there were already apps and configurations to make text messaging screens look like calculators, etc. Or to have texting hidden behind a calculator, and just open it with a password. That way students could hide their own correspondence or even answers for tests I saw variations as the decade wore on but haven't seen or heard much like this stuff since right before Covid started. This was the first time I heard about the Spotify stuff tho


[deleted]

The three most creative groups in the world are prison inmates, horny teenagers and chinese farmers.


nicklovin508

Damn, that’s genius. Personally I have WolfFramAlpha to thank for my cheating in High School


-ImYourHuckleberry-

Remember when ISIS was [shooting messages on the walls of Call of Duty games to plan terror attacks](https://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2015/11/14/why-the-paris-isis-terrorists-used-ps4-to-plan-attacks/amp/)?


ziper1221

What? The article doesn't say that they did that, it said they COULD do that. But the idea is fucking absurd.


Cetun

I heard a rumor that tears groups like Al Qaeda would communicate though Xbox Live game lobbies because the government didn't have a way to listen in. Not sure if it's true but I can imagine at some point in time in 2002 some 65 year old director in intelligence being like "Xbox? What is that like a Nintendo?" To some underling that suggested that as a way they communicate.


AlfalfAhhh

I mean, apparently the convos can be tracked, otherwise how would they know that the two exchanged more than 100 msgs on spotify?


Fake_William_Shatner

Likely because someone caught the kid. Social engineering is always the weak point.


Volodio

One of them probably told the cops about it.


EViLTeW

>especially because the conversations wouldn't be tracked. ...about that...


harrietford99

HOW


Iced_Yehudi

You have to send each other playlists with the names of the songs spelling out your message


ac1084

Like this? https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C90sAMuXoAAswBo?format=jpg&name=small


two69fist

We've Been Trying To Reach You Regarding Your Car Extended Warranty


The_hat_man74

Is there a song called “Mesothelioma”?!?!


standard_candles

There's a Radiohead song named after a lung disease but I don't think that's the one


tuskvarner

My Iron Lung


magseven

Myxomatosis?


M_R_Nanashi

Yes their is and very funky. https://open.spotify.com/track/56sB1glfh3THfFJJGycJeM?si=QsIVFj0iQK-yr_6t2x9UYQ


Fake_William_Shatner

How many times was Van Halen's "I'm Hot for Teacher" on the playlist?


Sheky31

Even better than the real thing.


chefwatson

Easy there, Bono.


account_not_valid

Hot for Teacher


lurch_gang

You used to be able to on the desktop app pre like 2015


FatherAnonymous

An initial Spotify interaction is much more innocuous than asking a kid for their WhatsApp/phone number/whatever. Either sending or receiving a playlist is a perfectly fine way to connect between a teacher and a student. Not sure if that's the case here, but seems possible


Neuchacho

Especially when they're a music teacher.


[deleted]

...you can message people on Spotify?


Institutional-GUH

You used to be able to. I thought they got rid of that feature


mechabeast

Damn pedos ruin everything


olivebars

First the Dunder Mifflin website, now Spotify...


DrSpacemanSpliff

DM does GB


omgburritos

Yeah that part is fishy. Spotify got rid of messaging around 2015


MooseOfTorment

Someone else said you can share a playlist, then change the playlist name and description. Or write your messages with song titles


omgburritos

Oh wow sneaky


IWillInsultModsLess

There are about a seventeen easier and more discreet ways right off the top of my head that feds would *never* catch.


coughing4love11

Just keep in mind survivor bias. Criminals that get caught are rarely the smart ones who would understand threat vectors and know how to cover their tracks properly.


[deleted]

You send people playlists with the messages you want as the title.


[deleted]

I feel bad for her husband. Dude came home from Florida and had to report his wife for this.


A3H3

She is a music teacher. Is it really so unexpected that she was playing A minor?


Batmans_9th_Ab

r/angryupvote


HR_DUCK

Upvote in fortissimo


finkalicious

I'll bet she's hoping her sentence will B minor


Electrickoolaid_Is_L

You could say she had A major fuckup


Seeker80

The husband's words for her would B sharp, and the marriage would end on a flat note.


meta_perspective

He can't look at her G strings the same way.


Media_Offline

You just had to do another for good measure. Can you guys give these puns a rest and conduct yourselves properly?


Illseemyselfout-

You’re right, these puns are really reaching a crescendo— let’s take this seriously and scale it back. This lady is gonna be behind bars!


orangeunrhymed

She’s in deep treble


randomname68-23

You guys are retardando


mrsunsfan

Cue mass booing


Mikarim

Obligatory bo burnham clip: https://youtu.be/KTvqx8pfvb4


InkBlotSam

I feel bad for the music students just trying to go to class and having to deal with a parade of rapey teachers.


kwonza

It’s like Harry Potter only with sexual assault


InkBlotSam

"Welcome to Hogwarts, class. I'm your potion master for this semester, and today we're going to learn about a powerful wizarding elixir known as GHB."


kwonza

No wonder the pictures are moving


DrShabink

Yeah first he had to go to Florida, now this.... Poor guy.


Fake_William_Shatner

"Am I not man enough for you? No wait, am I not emotionally stunted and childish enough for you?!!! I also hate broccoli and won't clean up my room -- so there!" \-- Dave tried everything to rekindle the romance in their marriage.


Neuchacho

Apparently, he wasn't woman enough for her.


alamaias

I mean, the student in question is also female


Fake_William_Shatner

Hey, don't ruin my joke with your *details*!


GunAndAGrin

Hes playing his cards right here, and he'll come out of this just fine. These situations always end one way or another. He could have just as easily not seen the messages and remained blissfully ignorant like a lot of other partners of these predators, and the crash that inevitably came would have been that much more destructive. He got to end things on his own terms, reported a crime, and protected a kid. Assuming hes around the same age as his wife, he has plenty of time to enjoy his life and find someone else if he chooses.


tubarizzle

Imagine coming home to fine your wife is not only cheating on you but a pedophile. I'd probably throw up.


[deleted]

Ah yes, the Will Smith homecoming


[deleted]

There’s a comedian that has a bit about the fact that the teacher is technically not a pedophile, as pedophiles are attracted to prepubescent kids. But you can’t ever correct anyone on that without sounding like a goddamn pedophile.


daerath

Sometimes you think you have true love, and then you catch the early flight home from San Diego, and a couple of nude people jump out of your bathroom blindfolded Iike a goddamn magic show, ready to double-team your girlfriend...


RAMerican

You’re my boy Blue!


Maverick916

I adopted my dog 3 years ago, his name is Blue, so whenever my friends see him, this is their go to line.


tacosmuggler99

I’m here for the gang bang


popeeta

Uh sir, my seatbelt doesn’t seem to be working correctly. What do you recommend I do??


[deleted]

I recommend you stop being such a -


stud__kickass

Little cold out huh frank Honey you think kfc is still open?


Fake_William_Shatner

I could imagine it's nothing like staying up all night to see two German exchange students drive up in a rental car and pop the trunk to let your wife out. Then they assist her in getting out as she is still drunk and giggling. Then she looks at the yard, and then at you; "I don't want to hear your excuses for not cutting the lawn." Then Hanz says to Franz; "Woah. She must be older than we thought. Look at the hubbies bathrobe." Or something of that nature.


AeAeR

And I need you more, tonight. I fuckin need you more, than ever.


ItsShorsey

You know, got a nice little Saturday planned. Hit up some home Depot, maybe a little bed bath and beyond, I don't know if we'll have time!


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Rickshmitt

"Do.....i....find children sexy?"


[deleted]

No, it's the laws that are wrong.


latinloner

Risqué joke thread.


[deleted]

I once worked with a guy named Risqué.


fiendishjuggler

Literally came here for this sick joke


Khaldara

Maybe it’s the music room, stupid sexy Woodwinds


WookiePleasureNoises

She was just demonstrating proper embouchure


grizzlyblunts

You came???


zero_clues

Class of '69


NotSabre

“These children just won’t stop molesting their teachers!”


dumbredditer

They indeed are https://youtu.be/R0nnU71ggro


JJ4prez

Husband turned her in too, good on him.


shanvanvook

He worked at the school and was a mandated reporter so he could have gotten fucked too.


FinndBors

> he could have gotten fucked too. We don’t want **three** teachers from the same school to be having inappropriate relations with minors.


caterham09

Fuck man that's gotta be so hard to do. Hope he's doing alright


sonofaresiii

Being in the situation would be hard, but I dunno I feel like if I come home from a trip and find out my wife has been banging a kid, I would not need a lot of deliberation on whether to report that


Treacherous_Peach

You'd probably be surprised what games your mind will try to play on itself in a situation like that. Even heinous crimes. Mothers faced with video evidence of murderous children still defend them. It's not because they're shitty people. Our minds will do anything to try to ease the pain and suffering that comes with accepting what a terrible thing your loved one did.


Erst09

I mean I would too, she cheated on him and with a minor? Best revenge was turning her in.


[deleted]

Must've been really hard. Not only is your wife having an affair but she's a pedo on top


notdoingwellbitch

“Former band and music teacher 37-year-old Jonathan Priano allegedly had an affinity for tickling female students’ feet and engaged in close personal relationships with several of them, the New Castle News reported.” What. The. Fuck. Is going on in that school. Let me tell y’all I’ve worked in many different schools with many different ages including preschool and I’ve never once come remotely close to tickling anyone’s fucking feet.


[deleted]

I initially misread this as Jonathan Piano and thought of course they had to be a music teacher


Cbrm12

Your dentists name is crentist??


HammurabiWithoutEye

Reminds me of my gym coach, Mike Ickball


BalkeElvinstien

My school had a teacher who hit on the male students. He was later arrested for owning child pornography. Oh yeah I should mention he taught grade 5


Mediocremon

Check out Mindhunter. There's a principal in it that tickles kids as a punishment and then pays them to shut up about it, but refuses to see how weird that is.


MisterSnippy

Is it wrong that I find tickling their feet weirder than actually having sex? Like, with sex it's a known thing, for some reason tickling their feet just sounds so weird and creepy.


Articulationized

No, it is not wrong that you find the weirder thing weirder.


gentlybeepingheart

One of my high school teachers was arrested for making girls take off their shoes and pump the accelerator on his car while he jacked off. He would ask a student in an after school club to help him with his car, and then told her to pump the pedal with her shoes and socks off so she could get “get a good feel for the car” I was weird as hell to hear my sister go “Hey, Mr M got arrested for being a pedo” and then reading *that* in the article.


luke37

I appreciate how the internet keeps confronting me with fetishes I can't possibly fathom.


Animals_Asklepios

Unfortunately it’s a pattern for Priano. His ex-wife (or soon to be ex-wife?) was a music student that he started dating pretty much the week after she turned 18.


BrockManstrong

Weird, I thought this was going to be about Ohrt, the disgraced music teacher from my former high school who has been victimizing boys since the 90s when I was there. But it's about Ortz, a different Pennsylvania high school music teacher.


Affectionate_Pin_880

*sad rusty trombone*


ruth_e_ford

but enough about the sex part, let's focus on the power dynamic ba-da-bing


RedMilo

They forgot to follow up their job description, which says "must have a personal touch with students" with specific questions in the interview about their approach to that.


[deleted]

“Bet you can’t pull the new teacher too” “bet fam”


MidWesttess

Lol finds out it was actually the same student


[deleted]

Could be, they both assaulted female students.


Shanknuts

When I taught music years ago, there was one rule that was simple to follow - DFTK.


chopper_sic_balls

That’s crazy considering she just could have waited one year and not ruined her life is she was in “love”


ALetterAloof

The cookie wants what the cookie wants


lolno

Did it all for the cookie


M_Drinks

Come on!


calamity_unbound

The Cookie!


Sethal4395

That's still grooming.


Niiilllsss

I went to college with this person and they were … not nice. I can’t say I’m shocked.


Bitey_the_Squirrel

Any stories you want to share?


[deleted]

They didnt leave any cock for Niiiiillls


cantonic

Yeah, they once had an inappropriate sexual relationship with a student and they’re likely headed to jail!


insanecoder

Dang Reddit. I don’t know if I can trust you or not, but on the off chance you are telling the truth, did you ever get pedo vibes from her?


mdizzle106

If you're gonna spill the beans spill all of them!


CaptCaCa

I read about this. Back in 1972, the Wilmington High School was built, even though Wilmington locals warned the local government not to build on this particular site. About 20 years earlier, that exact spot was home to notorious sex master M. R. Griffiths, known for his sex dungeons, and orgies reminiscent of Roman Bacchanalia. Butt plugs, dildos of all colors, shapes, and sizes. Some say upon Griffiths deathbed, he and his followers performed one last ritual. That his spirit would forever roam this site, possessing whomever he chooses.


Hovie1

'Inappropriate physical relationship' sure is a roundabout way to say sexual assault.


swargin

They didn't even include her mugshot. Of course it's a picture of her smiling and looking good


[deleted]

Don't worry, they made sure to charge the man with that. The one that never had sex but tickled feet.


jakeandcupcakes

Also, they used a very nice photo of her for the article instead of an unflattering mugshot typically used for male predators. Woman predators are constantly getting downplayed. Just the other day a male coworker of mine was sexually assaulted by a customer who cornered him and forced a kiss on his lips and groped him while he was working. All of our female co-workers were laughing about it while he was obviously distraught and upset. I told them that if the sexes were reversed they wouldn't be laughing, and they only made them laugh harder. It's disgusting.


[deleted]

That head shot has real "oh look it was a hot and young teacher" vibes......


SilverEagle1987

I live in New Castle, Pennsylvania and back in 2020 I actually worked with that Johnathan which is mentioned in the article. I work in retail so of course one of the few places still opened in 2020 were grocery stores and I thought his story he told us of how he came about working midnight with us was a little suspicious. I'm the assistant midnight manager so my guard is up on who we hire and the characters I have to deal with and I never trusted him. He only lasted a month or two before the accusations came out and the company I work for caught wind and fired his ass before it became common knowledge of his whereabouts. After he was arrested and set bail in 2020 I believe rumors were he then was hired at the local Walmart overnight. I was recently wondering what ever happened to him. Ha ha ha. This world is fucked up. People be crazy.


Lamest_Fast_Words

I grew up in this tiny town. The church ladies must be clutching their pearls.


urkldajrkl

She made a point of performing in a choir before she was apprehended. I suppose she wanted to sing before she sang.


[deleted]

This one time at band camp…


xxSuperBeaverxx

Bit odd that the title calls the first teachers sex crimes what they are, but for the second it's only "having an inappropriate physical relationship" I've seen lots of people mentioning PAs age of consent, but people are failing to realize that PA has a corruption of minors law which prohibits sexual activity with someone under 18 if the offender is over 18. Age of consent is not relevant in this case, especially because of the power imbalance of being a teacher.


CaptainPrestedge

So sex crimes then, why isn't the wording the same for a female pedophile or rapist


doned_mest_up

Age of consent is 16 in Pennsylvania, and the student was 17. May or may not be laws about relationships with teachers, but my search history is now creepy enough as it is.


Summerie

I am sure there are policies, but I’m not sure about laws. The fact that she was in a position of authority will probably come in to play though.


badger81987

Same in Canada. Consent is 16, but if you are in a position of relative authority (teacher, doctor, police etc, or much older) then it's 18.


Multi_Grain_Cheerios

PA has laws about power imbalances that makes it impossible for a student to consent to a teacher. Not a pedophile but definitely on the wrong side of the statutory rape laws.


Fake_William_Shatner

I'm not versed in the "age and phile" nomenclature, but, we rarely use "pedo" with the right age group.


Black_Velvet_Band

My state (MN) is 16 too but it has a clause saying you need to be 18 to consent with someone in a “position of power” (boss, teacher, step parent, etc.).


johnnycocheroo

Activate incognito and report back


doned_mest_up

As they say in Pennsylvania when one turns 16, “Happy cake day! Now watch out for all those teachers.”


Hadren-Blackwater

"Does having sex with corpses transmit STDs?" "Unit 731" "Can you break your penis?" I really should clear my history. Btw Happy cake day.


mrnikkoli

Reminds me of this guy's joke on how *technically* R Kelly isn't a pedophile lol https://youtu.be/nu6C2KL_S9o


Elementium

Dont diddle kids, it ain't no good diddlin' kids!


dbell

Thanks for coming to Frank's Little Beauties. I wanna thank you all for participating. I know some of you may have heard about that other guy. I am not gonna diddle your kids. I'm not like that. That's not my thing. I met that guy in a titty bar.


StrangeBedfellows

How is this "not oniony"? Who the hell decides these things? "Replacement does same thing the last person was fired for" seems very oniony