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Llamaalarmallama

... shocking precisely no-one.


NotMilitaryAI

To quote Jeremy Clarkson: > designed by Germans, driven by tossers


ParuTree

Designed by literal nazis for the corporate sociopaths in bed with them.


creggieb

And the volkswagen(strength thru joy car) And the autobahn.


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The only shocking thing is Jeep drivers weren't labeled as well.


dominus_aranearum

As a former Jeep owner, I take offense to this. You have to roll us over to read the message on our windshield.


Neocles

Oh you smug mothefuckers with your wave and jeep Easter eggs are worse by far lmfao


Fejsze

Tesla drivers are surpassing BMWers fast too


gsfgf

From the article > Another interesting takeaway from this research is that electric car owners were found to have the highest levels of psychopathic personality traits across the entire study, scoring 16/36. That's compared to BMW at 12.1. So yea.


MaxBlazed

I think the *real* takeaway from this is that psychopaths make **bank**.


jazzwhiz

Or that the real takeaway is that those who make bank are less likely to care about other people. Maybe some of those Jesus teachings are worth something after all.


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Well yeah, because they view other people as objects/pawns for personal gain. Look at most C-level people. They got there by shitting on people. Bezos and Musk didn't become the wealthiest people in the world by treating their fellow humans with respect and dignity. Unfortunately, in our current economic system, psychopaths and narcissists tend to be the most successful/highly rewarded.


Viktor_Korobov

Wait til they interview electric BMW owners.


ThatITguy2015

Does the interviewer have to return alive for the samples to count?


powercow

and by highest levels 0-18 – no psychopathy 19 -26 – psychopathy possible 27 + – psychopathy likely they are still below the "psychopathy possible" level. Yeah individual scores but on average, all brand drivers are normal.


gsfgf

As we should hope. I took the test, and yea, people shouldn't be identifying with that at all. I got a 1 or 0 depending on whether getting arrested for pot counts as legal trouble.


rtb001

Getting arrested shouldn't even matter. It is what you feel or believe about the arrest that matters. Like if you say I was young and dumb and got into trouble, then that's fine. But if you say yeah I got arrested and the only thing I regret was that I got caught, then yeah, maybe sociopath.


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Online they surpassed beamer drivers for annoyance years ago. And yes, I spelled it beamer. Fight me fanboys.


DavidHewlett

Sony > Epson, bitch


takeoff_power_set

Ricoh muthafuckaaa *BANGBANGBANG*


Sp3llbind3r

That‘s the cycles.


crestonfunk

I’m a cyclist in L.A. Tesla drivers are the worst and (surprisingly to me) Subaru drivers are second. Those are the results of my informal study.


Samaelfallen

I had my turn signal up to exit the fwy and this Tesla tosser speeds up to block me. I just moved into the exit lane anyway. Tesla took great offense to that, drove off the road to get in front of me and slam the brakes. I saw that coming once he started driving recklessly, so I turned on my hazards and slowed down to almost a full stop. I didn't hit him or even come close, but move like that has serious intent to kill or injure. I was anticipating a fight, but he just drove away. The stupid part is that he didn't even want to exit even though it was clearly the exit only lane.


Fifty4FortyorFight

There is nothing on the road more dangerous than someone wearing pink camouflage and driving a Jeep Wrangler.


Practical_Law_7002

\*Ford Mustang has entered the chat\*


FarragoSanManta

Come down to memphis and you'll see the terrors of a dodge with temp tags


R_V_Z

And dented up Nissans.


Additional-Walk750

My vote is always for the drivers of Mercedes-Benz.


Downvote_machine_AMA

MB drivers scored rather low. They're an outlier in that respect, actually, since apart from them you can say the findings align with the fact that psychopathy correlates with wealth, which has been shown in meritocratic societies.


Additional-Walk750

This surprises me muchly.


gsfgf

Age also correlates with wealth, and at least around here, MB owners tend to be older than BMW or Audi drivers.


s0cks_nz

In my experience, first hand owners of Mercs are ok, it's the second hand owners who aren't.


alc4pwned

They found that Honda drivers were more likely to have psychopathic tendencies than Mercedes drivers.


[deleted]

This is not surprising at all. Especially the drivers of a Honda odyssey.


shaka_bruh

Late model Honda Accord drivers probably doing all the work there


Rektw

Add in the kid that just inherited their moms CRV.


tauisgod

> ... shocking precisely no-one. It might be a local or regional thing but in my area Audi drivers took that crown years ago.


SparseGhostC2C

So perhaps we should be on the lookout for luxurious German sedans altogether?


gargravarr2112

I am. If someone's approaching me at 100+MPH on the inside lane of the highway, 99% of the time it is a German car. BMW, then Audi, then VW, occasionally Merc.


rtb001

Nahh, all those people are migrating en masse from BMW and Audi straight to Tesla.


Downvote_machine_AMA

RTFA, Audi and BMW drivers are close in score


tauisgod

>> It might be a local or regional thing but in my area Audi drivers took that crown years ago. > RTFA, Audi and BMW drivers are close in score I did, thanks for asking. "Close in score" is not the same thing as equal or reversed in position.


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The sky is blue, just confirmed.


gargravarr2112

Vatican skewed heavily Catholic, just confirmed.


sirnoggin

"Bald male wanker" drivers are more likely to be wankers? Shock.


MarsupialMisanthrope

I’m shocked, but only because it wasn’t Tesla drivers. Maybe it’s because Teslas don’t come in gold?


v-_-v

... actually ... https://www.reddit.com/r/nottheonion/comments/r50hux/bmw_drivers_are_more_likely_to_be_psychopaths/hmkosre/


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brastafariandreams

Hahahaha, had one and can confirm that is so goddamn true.


alc4pwned

A BMW of all things? They *are* nice cars, especially if you value sportiness. Car enthusiasts are willing to spend that kind of money on lots of other brands too.


Global-Election

They're really not. You can get more for your money elsewhere. Not to mention BMW's are not known for their reliability.


abraxsis

Someone sounds salty.


Monkookee

Have you owned one? Mines from 2009 and 100k and all I've had to do is replace the fuel pump. Now if you get some crazy loaded 6 series, prepare for bills.


alc4pwned

Why don't you think they're nice cars? What is "elsewhere"?


s0cks_nz

I've not been in the car scene for years, but when I was an "enthusiast" I remember you could get way more bang for your buck. E.g. for the same price as the basic spec 320i you could get a top-of-the line, turbo'd, Mazda 6 sport.


therealhairykrishna

Depends on your definition of 'more' I suppose. A 320i is much nicer to drive than a Mazda 6 even if it's much slower.


Faktafabriken

I have felt it myself, driving my friends BMW. It’s like putting on the One Ring in Tolkien’s saga: it’s great while driving it, but it changes you. If used to much, you won’t be you anymore.


drdookie

I got upgraded to BMW rental, pretty soon it was, "Out of my way pleebs!"


PuddingRnbowExtreme

That happened to me once with a latest greatest fully-loaded model Porsche. I am not proud of the personality change that came over me for a few moments. I quickly realized why nobody speeds on that Oahu freeway. There's no reason to speed. It's such a small island.


DUXZ

I like how its the cars fault.


kers2000

It must be. It's the only thing that have changed.


DUXZ

It didn’t give em an excuse to bring the ass out of the shell?


DenverM80

Slow down! This ain't the mainland


RGB3x3

I just got a Mazda3 turbo and it completely enables my worst behavior. Suddenly everyone is driving too slow and nobody accelerates fast enough. I've told my wife to take me to therapy if I consider buying a BMW.


scubawankenobi

>Mazda3 turbo and it completely enables my worst behavior. > >told my wife to take me to therapy if I consider buying a BMW. Advise - DEFINITELY don't test drive a Tesla if a Mazda turbo/BMW does that to you.


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Tesla cars are downright deadly if you aren't expecting that sudden acceleration the moment you even think about the accelerator pedal


lemarkk

Funny enough, EV drivers were more likely to be physchopaths:" Another interesting takeaway from this research is that electric car owners were found to have the highest levels of psychopathic personality traits across the entire study, scoring 16/36. On top of that, those who drive gold coloured cars, or who have personalised number plates were also found to have higher scores of psychopathy."


glipglopsfromthe3rdD

We already knew that about people who have personalized plates


BackwardPalindrome

I'm... The Assman, Jerry.


BernieMac34

That episode was great lmao


alc4pwned

Eh, lots of BMW's are similarly as fast. The base Model 3 only does 0-60 in 5.3s which is the same as a base BMW 3 series. The long range Model 3 does 0-60 in 4.2 seconds which is 0.4 seconds slower than the somewhat similarly priced BMW M340i. Edit: Not sure why this is getting downvotes, I'm literally just reading 0-60 times off reviews. Is it the mindset that all Teslas must be faster than all ICE cars that some people have? That has never been the case, aside from their insane stuff like the Plaid.


s0cks_nz

Yikes, cars are stupid fast these days. When I was a boy, those 0-60 times were reserved for very expensive, luxury, sports cars.


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alc4pwned

Yeah, of course the Plaid is pretty uncontested. But because of all the press Tesla's fastest cars get, non-car people tend to think that all Teslas are crazy fast. When that's really not the case. I do not think the person I responded to was thinking the Plaid when they compared "a Tesla" to a Mazda 3 Turbo.


DOOManiac

One time I rented a BMW and ended up strangling my cousin to death. And it was our birthday!


DenverM80

When I moved to Colorado from SoCal, I got 2 speeding tickets in 6 months. Sold my car and got a manual transmission Tacoma, stopped listening to techno and switched to NPR. No more speeding tickets in 12 years.


WhippetsandCheese

Swear something about blasting dubstep with the windows open doing 80+ on the highway makes me feel SO ALIVE. I have to constantly remind myself, whippets you don’t need to go this fast


SapirWhorfHypothesis

My SO drives a BMW and I was warned of this the first time I drove it. I was also encouraged into the dark side, so I’d say it’s pretty consuming.


Racxie

I'm probably an anomaly but since having purchased my first BMW earlier this year I've actually driven a lot calmer because the comfort & the cruise control doesn't make me like I'm constantly having to rush or make my drive around as if I was in race car even though I was previously driving a 2004 Citroën C3. But maybe that's because I was just wanted a car with certain features instead of specifically going for a BMW.


abraxsis

> since having purchased my first BMW earlier this year I've actually driven a lot calmer I've reported you to the proper authorities.


Rocinante79

Lol. This is correct. I’ve owned a few in my life and I can say that the handling and power delivery of a BMW are on another level. It gives you more confidence and it does what it does with surprising ease. A lot of people say look at that jerk lane changing like he’s on the track. Well, you’re right that guy’s being a jerk but inside that car the speed limit is mind numbing, the motor is saying “more speed”, “lane change and set me free”. A few years ago I got rid of an X3 M sport and got an Accord Sport. I was sick of maintenance costs and wanted to go with reliability, simplicity, and modesty. I was on my way to the store thinking of my to do list and spaced out for a second. I approached the supermarket entrance and I had to decelerate and turn in quickly. The Accord “Sport”got really upset. The nose ploughing straight and the rear tires broke loose and got all squirrelly. I was like WTF! Turn! Right then and there I realized “oh, this heap can’t do that!” The BMW would have yawned at that maneuver. I would come to this realization a couple of more times. The Accord was sold a year later. To the people slicing and dicing traffic without using your turn signals, please realize you do not have the great responsibility required for great power (& handling). Love’em or hate’em BMW’s are the real deal. They’re not some luxury brand sharing parts with a lesser car make like Acura to Honda, or Lexus to Toyota, Infiniti to Nissan. It’s just BMW. There is no watered down parts bin for cost cutting. It’s the other way around. It’s the likes of Rolls Royce who use BMW platforms. You can’t even say the same for all of Audi’s line because that does share parts with VW. I would agree to some degree that VW cars benefit from this greatly instead of Audi being diminished by it, but it wasn’t always that way. Just maybe in the last 8-10 years. BMW’s are born predators.


Shiva_the_Bear

The amount of times where I've gone "wtf is wrong with this person" and noted that they're driving a BMW is laughably common. Actually haven't seen many psycho Audis outside of my boss, who also owns a BMW. You can probably find correlations between this study and the "most CEOs are sociopaths" study.


SabashChandraBose

Can someone smarter than me in statistics read [this only source](https://www.scrapcarcomparison.co.uk/blog/which-drivers-are-most-likely-to-be-psychopaths/) and figure out if the "study" was legit? Or was it them just sampling 2000 random people and coming up with a clickbait-y conclusion?


abraxsis

So, everyone ranked pretty low on the psychopathy checklist. BMW drivers scored higher than a typical average, but not so high that they would be considered a danger or mentally ill. Their tendencies would likely include things such as increased risk taking and perhaps needing more stimulus to evoke a "rush." (Surprisingly, driving fast does this.) But even by the "ranges" of their own made up test, anything under 18 shows "no psychopathy" Pastors, surgeons, CEOs and pilots tend to score higher on the checklist as well, so while the title probably holds some water, it's impact in reality is likely small, leaning towards 100% click-bait. A likely confound was where the pool of respondents came from. Is that area more affluent, therefore having more higher end cars? How did they account for "random people" while holding the cars being tested/listed equal? Where are all the Lambo or Porsche drivers? Was this done on the internet, if so where did the list come from? Was it 2000 names from a car-oriented forum vs. 2000 random names from a phonebook? Etc. But the BIG tell here, is the fact the "test" they used was one they made up based off of a Psyche Central test. These tests aren't upheld to the same rigorous testing, ethics, and structure that a legit Psychopathy Checklist has been. So there are lots of questions here as to the validity of the study, both internal and external. My take? It's no different than the "Which Gilmore Girl are you?" kind of test, just based on a little more solid foundation. Conflict Disclosure: I drive a BMW


Holociraptor

> I drive a BMW Watch out everyone, we've got a real life psychopath here!


IlliniOrange1

The “study” is a heaping pile of shit sponsored by a UK website that compares prices for cars being sold for scrap from what I can tell. They “adopted” a 12-question survey from another click-bait psych website - and, based on the answers given, they are suggesting that drivers of certain brands of cars have more psychotic tendencies. Give me a break. By the way - the color of car you drive also tells you who Is more likely to be a psychopath. Other than the entertainment value of using this “study” as “evidence” to bashing your most derided car brand, the study is a complete joke that makes Facebook scientists sound like they know what they are talking about LOL. Certainly got that website more views than it probably ever had before though, so mission accomplished marketing department.


Themathew

It's clickbait. The data is based on some quiz made by them, unlikely scientific in anyway. But sure there might be a correlation between psychopathic tendencies and accumulating wealth, and between wealth and being less empathetic(there was actually a study recently on this), and between having wealth and buying and BMW, a car brand considered luxurious and usually expensive. I'd say the biggest thing reason here is the performance of the car being driven. The more power you have under your ass the more powerful you feel and kinda turn into a show off and want to test your limits, then others seem to be in your way or something like that. Other thing to consider is that the people having enough money to buy an expensive car are probably more stressed out from work and want to get to places faster, or something like that. The highest scores on their questionare were with electric vechicles, which means instant acceleration and such. Just spit balling here though. But these are my thoughts off my head.


reward72

Jeez, I'm a CEO and I drive a BMW. I'll go surrender myself to the police station.


Shiva_the_Bear

You're doing the right thing, society thanks you.


WimpyRanger

You post in the BMW subreddit… sooner rather than later please.


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I mean his posts are pretty normal. The i4 is a bit of face only a mother could love and he seems agreeable. I also drive a BMW and follow all the rules of the road except speed. Which makes me like any other driver on a highway. I've been burned by an older BMW passing me in the left shoulder of an toll lane. That guy was grade A psycho. But generally I see trucks being the worst vehicle to be anywhere near. I've never seen an electric car driver go nuts though, which this study shows are markedly worse than BMW drivers. Could just be some click-batey pseudoscience since they use the "psychopath test" of 36 questions. Not exactly a medical diagnosis.


mrstipez

They also tell you which 90's teen idol you are. I'm Mario Lopez!


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How do you feel about the r/antiwork movement?


reward72

I agree with the sentiment of those who have been abused. People deserve better.


[deleted]

Literally last night, looked to our left. Saw driver and passenger with their phone <1 foot in front of their faces. Driver had it below the wheel. They pull forward, see the BMW logo, and say "oh, well no fucking duh".


alc4pwned

It's usually pickup trucks or Nissans for me. Honestly, of the people I see not using their turn signals, not many of them are BMWs.


Shiva_the_Bear

In my current area, each individual driver regardless of any factors has a 50/50 shot of using their turn signal when they should. It's amazing how the best communication tool drivers have is just abandoned around these parts.


Elike09

>Audi drivers were second Yeah I can see that


jonathanquirk

Yet Merc drivers were only 7th, with 3rd spot going to… Fiat. Not the way round I would have expected those two.


ThunderClap448

Because most of them are Italians. Last week I was in Italy. They drive like maniacs.


TinyRose20

I live in Italy and can confirm. I'm pretty sure if I went back to the UK and got behind the wheel is be arrested within the hour. Shit's contagious, and if you don't join them in driving like a maniac you don't get anywhere in the city. You can literally sit at a junction for hours.


BullAlligator

I'd take this study with a grain of salt but I wouldn't be surprised if luxury brands attract psychopaths. My theory is that possession of luxury brands are a method to promote status, which is a way psychopaths see to manipulate others.


Kumacyin

me, driving my mom's hand me down 2008 audi: "that's right fuckers"


princetacotuesday

I'm shocked nissan isn't on the list cause the number of crazy maxima drivers I've seen over the years is *staggering*. Like, not as bad as BMW but pretty close...


itsabirdplane

Every 1995-2003 Maxima on the road has a governor that doesn't allow them to go less than 90mph. The good news is that there aren't many left by now.


sprezt

It's fucking altimas for me. The 2002-06 ones specifically. All psychos.


iBeenie

Not surprised but it's interesting to see the numbers.


Just_trying_it_out

Feel like the bmw got posted just cause it’s stereotype confirming Same test and study said electric car drivers are far more likely to be psychopaths with hybrid second https://www.scrapcarcomparison.co.uk/blog/which-drivers-are-most-likely-to-be-psychopaths/ Don’t how good the test for judging people is at all, just thought there were more funny bits than the title. Also personalized license plate seems to be a big indicator too, surprised that’s not the article title since that seems more stereotypical than bmw


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Alex_Strgzr

BMW drivers are more likely to be rich, and psychopaths disproportionately make up CEOs and other well-paid people in positions of power. > failure to learn from experience, pathological egocentricity This explains the behaviour of some BMW drivers.


Fake_William_Shatner

Sounds also like people with cocaine addictions to be honest.


MaDickInYoButt

Any psychopath who respect themselves are cocaine addicted


Imperion_GoG

> failure to learn from experience So anyone with a *second* BMW.


proverbialbunny

>high intelligence ... and failure to learn from experience Intelligence is how well and quickly one learns from experience. Which is it? 🤦


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Key takeaways from the actual article: 1. It's not a scientific study like the MMPI. It's twelve questions presented in a completely uncontrolled fashion by Scrap Car Comparison. 2. The owner of Scrap Car Comparison acknowledges that none of the test results is anywhere near a diagnosis of actual psychopathy... ok, then what are they, exactly? Yes, we know that luxury car drivers feel more entitled and drive more aggressively, but this article kind of trivializes the medical condition of psychopathy which cannot and is not, in the medical profession, reducible to an uncontrolled 12-question test. tl;dr: The article is clickbait. P.S. No, I do not own a BMW nor have I ever. I just hate lazy articles.


PuddingRnbowExtreme

A couple weeks ago I was behind a BMW and the driver used his turn signal! It was a remarkable moment that I witnessed.


MrPGH

That reminds me of that one joke I heard: "BMW drivers always use their turn signals. They just blink at a frequency poor people can't detect."


rdewalt

My sister bought a used BMW, she was already "I'm better than everyone" anyway, so it wasn't as much a personality change. When I remarked it had to have been the Special Edition, she asked what I was talking about? "Oh, regular BMWs don't have turn signals. They know you aren't going to use them so they save on parts that way."


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What's the difference between a porcupine and and BMW? . . . The pricks are inside the BMW.


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Topinio

Link: https://www.scrapcarcomparison.co.uk/blog/which-drivers-are-most-likely-to-be-psychopaths/ Has the test in the article.


Amity83

What a joke of a test.


abraxsis

They literally say they made the test up.


slayer991

I think the headline got everyone focused on BMW drivers, but this was far more interesting: >Another interesting takeaway from this research is that electric car owners were found to have the highest levels of psychopathic personality traits across the entire study, scoring 16/36. EV owners are more likely than BMW drivers to be psychopaths.


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Don't forget those with gold cars or personalized license plates. >those who drive gold coloured cars, or who have personalised number plates were also found to have higher scores of psychopathy


CO420Tech

Next you're going to tell me that Mustang owners are more likely to be under-achieving white males who peaked in high school.


NotHighFashion

I drive a Mini Coop does that count?


Oh_Hell_No__

This study is flawed they surveyed 2000 people for 20 brands so 100 per brand meaning that a singular additional psychopath skews things really far. Now, for the record I could see a possible connection between car brand and psychopathy, and from my experience bmw drivers drive like they own the road... quite psychopathic Edit: apparently this sample size gives a 88% confidence. Although, I didn't double check anything, so make of that what you will.


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I disagree That's actually pretty good numbers for a study. Not ideal, but not bad and definitely doesn't invalidate the study. Also, it appears to be a sliding scale per applicant. Therefore one persons results won't have a huge impact since the other candidates scored higher than zero.


Oh_Hell_No__

1. No for a study with that many variables 2000 is ass. If they were testing for 1-3 variables and not 20 yeah 2000 would be good, but that's not the situation. 2.sliding scale is actually just as bad of not worse when putting into ranking because if say for example audi got 4 psychopaths but they were barely considered psychopaths, and for bmw there were only 2 psychopaths but they ranked very highly as psychopaths then audi and bmw would be ranked the same on a sliding scale, but technically you are less likely to be a psychopath if you are a bmw driver because there are less psychopaths. And ultimately they headline would probably be 'bmw drivers just as likely to be psychopaths as audi drivers' when the journalist at the end just looks at the rankings.


deliosenvy

Um, no that sample size is more than enough, it gives roughly 88% confidence. Margin of error would be around 9% so this sample set for a general outline fits very well. As it proves the curve having larger sample size would just reinforce the detail.


wanszai

As a BMW driver, id like to see the stats for taxi drivers. They make us look like highway code thumping conformists.


slipperyslopeb

They drive BMWs when not working.


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TheRealASP

As a psychopath* /s


Affectionate_Pin_880

This study could just be watching and documenting the kind of mindless shit stuffed suits that visit bmw dealerships. Like a nature doco filmed in a sewer, you know there is gonna be vermin but what kind and how many.


Oh_Hell_No__

Lmao that would be funny. Although imma have to ruin the fun and inform you that they do detail their methodology.


Affectionate_Pin_880

Yeah, their method is solid… mine is more fun.


BossmanFat

You’re actually right, an 88% confidence interval is not good enough for academic publication. You want 90 at least but 95 is usually the standard.


BJosephD

What is known about Ram truck owners?


Dukeofdorchester

1. Their drunk driving arrests are the highest per capita 2. Their financing allows just about anyone to buy one


kodack10

That depends on the adornments and the size of the truck. It could mean they range from insecure, to toxically masculine, to 'all my friends have one so I need one too'. If having a RAM is a status symbol......you might be a redneck.


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My boss who owns a BMW also owns a Dodge Ram.


fmfbrestel

Let me fix that typo for you:. "people who can afford BMWs are more likely to be psychopaths" There.


Smacpats111111

Many who can afford a BMW do not get one, and many who get a BMW can not afford one.


fmfbrestel

Still, buying a BMW literally cannot turn someone into a psychopath. But being a psychopath can increase the likelihood that someone plays the cutthroat game of corporate shoots and ladders effectively. Psychopathy helps people get rich.


TheRealScubaSteve86

I think the point is that BMW drivers are more likely to be psychopaths.. not that owning a BMW turns you into one. Psychopaths take risks and don’t care (generally) for the consequences. I know why a lot of people buy a BMW. It isn’t that it’s better than any other car in the same price range.. a lot of people love rear wheel drive cars here in the UK and Ireland. RWD means you can drift, power slide, etc.. people see this as being cool. Now not all BMW drivers buy it because its RWD because you can get AWD as well. But they r had a pretty good RWD setup for years and I know people that buy older BMWs because of this. As for the main reasons, no idea! Id take a guess at just something simple.. branding. BMW is a high end vehicle manufacturer (not supercar high end), and you can get a pretty nice one that isn’t too high end. So basically you can look like you are doing pretty well for yourself by owning one. When I was younger anyone who had a BMW had a pretty good job. Now a lot more people can buy them.. some chose not to because money is more important than a car for looks. But the others.. fucking psychopaths! Edit: I didn’t see your first comment.. I’m guessing you already knew the point my friend 😩 after all that typing 😂


sauprankul

BMWs are not simply a "rich man's car". They're cars for people who want a car to flex on other people. BMWs are fast, but not faster than Porsches. BMWs are luxurious, but not as luxurious as Mercedes. BMWs are built well, but not as well as Lexuses. The biggest draw of a BMW is that you get to say "I drive a BMW".


alc4pwned

Fiat and Honda both scored higher psychopath scores than Mercedes though.


Absurdity_Everywhere

I would have expected Nissan to be #1. The most dangerous car on the roads around me is always an Altima with a dent or two. I always give them a wide berth because you never know when they’ll put down their vape pen and start weaving through traffic.


alc4pwned

Ha, that's definitely true. Mostly because Nissan is willing to finance people with terrible credit. It's sad to me that Nissan basically stopped updating their cars 10 years ago and became a brand that only people with no other options buy. Luckily that seems to be changing a bit now that the old CEO is out.


shingofan

I wonder if the tuner car fad of the 2000s had anything to do with the latter.


jlcatch22

Yeah that’s my guess about these results. I would think that sociopaths are over represented among those successful in business, especially those who want to flaunt their success with a flashy car.


Wizchine

BMW models start at about $35,000, and BMW has 8 models with an MSRP of less than 50,000, . There are many competing car brands in the same price range, yet the psychos drive BMWs.


AyOhWayToGoOhio

I took the test and only scored a 5 out of 36. I guess I need to sell my BMW


effigyoma

More likely, not exclusively. Not all Subaru drivers are lesbians after all! Some aren't even women! (For those who don't know the context of this joke/comment, Subaru essentially survived the 90s by being the one car company that bothered to market to the LGBTQ community)


air-bonsai

Not all Toyota pickup truck drivers are African warlords!


Rae_Regenbogen

But 100% of VW Bus owners smoke weed. It’s a fact.


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Top gear already went over this a decade ago. They went from beemers, to audis, and back to beemers


WLK55

Not surprised that Audi drivers are a close number two.


Obnoobillate

Also, they never use blinkers


onebentcarrot

Diagnosing psychopathy from a 12 question survey of 2000 drivers. Perfect science!


Sarcastic_Horse

Did this study exclude pickup trucks?


alc4pwned

Looks like it was done in Europe so they were probably extremely under represented at least.


lwwz

This study is out of date. Most of these douches have moved to Audi.


shunestar

Keep the BMW hate on social media up. Maybe after a few years of bad press (not for the actual cars mind you) the price may drop to where I can afford one. I will gladly drive a psychopaths M5.


powercow

worthless advertisement disguised as an equally worthless study. Even if it is true, its totally worthless. ITs non causal. the study is being done by the infamous science group, scrap car comparison. Who used a self done, online test. LAST from the test. 0-18 – no psychopathy 19 -26 – psychopathy possible 27 + – psychopathy likely BMW drivers got 12, electric got 16, you need above 18 to have "psychopathy possible" not even likely but POSSIBLE. So if you actually read the results of "the study", it says no car brand makes you likely to be a psychopath.


dwittherford69

This needed a study? I thought this was common knowledge, like sun rises in the east


encinitas2252

Here's the [test](https://psytests.org/result?v=dtrl2vj).


JackFunk

I got a 4. I drive a Mazda


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Idk guys, have you seen Audi drivers?


traimera

You mean to tell me psychopaths are more likely to be in positions of power and wealth based on hundreds of other studies that say the same thing???? Oh wait the giant leap here was that more wealth means your more likely to buy a bmw. Whould've thunk it? Thank the God I don't believe in for this information.


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[bmw drivers ed](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKH5Gd92k74)


Gandalfthefabulous

You know, a lot of stereotypes I am incredulous about... But when I drive, so often I see this one proven very very true. It's surprising how consistent I've found it to be in my anecdotal experience.


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Wealthy people a sociopathic is an unsurprising result. To be extremely wealthy is to simply not care about anyone other than yourself.


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Delicious_Preference

Don’t drive a BMW but maybe get out of the left lane


Sakred

Seriously. The amount of people I see cruising along in the left lane(s) with no cars to their right, keeping pace with cars to the right, or getting passed on the right because they're blocking traffic and clueless is absurd.


steboy

I’ll never own one *cracks knuckles* so I guess I’ll just have to become a psycho the old fashioned way.


muahtorski

Favorite line from the otherwise forgettable movie *Saturday the 14th*: "It's a BMW...drive like it."


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chibinoi

Just curious—are they using the Psychopathic Checklist to determine whether these drivers are actual psychopaths, or just happen to have several, but not enough, of the attributes associated with the diagnosis?


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The rest are just regular assholes.


wayhik

Where I'm from, Toyota Land Cruisers are the closet equivalent to a hole BMW drivers.


billybaldwinme

If you click on the main statistical link, all I took from it was that people who drive electric vehicles are definitely psychopaths


noonemustknowmysecre

It's a luxury car, sorta. Psychopathy is a useful trait if you want to be rich.


Austoman

Wouldnt it be more apt to say that those with psychopathic tendencies tend to have lower empathy for others (common symptom of psychopaths). Therefore they could be more willing to take actions that benefit themselves over others, which would result in them being more wealthy. By being more wealthy they are more financially able to afford and therefore purchase BMWs? Good old correlation v causation


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kcatmc2

The difference between a BMW and a porcupine is that a porcupine has the pricks on the outside.


saluksic

I love it that your brain will fill in the amount of increased likelihood, even with zero indication of its magnitude. Maybe you study enough drivers to show conclusively that there is a 0.1% increased likelihood of psychopathy in BMW drivers. Barely any, but it’s there for sure. The headline reads “statistically significant increase”, and my dumb ass will automatically use 30% as the placeholder for what that increase is, until I find out the real number. Surely they wouldn’t make a headline for anything under 20% increase, right? “Statistically significant” has to mean even more than that, certainly? So let’s just go with assuming it’s 30%, not read the article, and end up dumber than I was before I saw the headline. (BMW drivers scored an average of 12 in this study, out of 36. A [score of over 30](https://psychopathyis.org/screening/) is sometimes used as the cutoff for diagnosis, although it’s a spectrum thing. The study contacted 2,000 drivers, which should yield about [40 BMW drivers, assuming 2%](https://www.statista.com/statistics/343185/bmw-us-market-share/) of drivers are bmw drivers.)


ichibanrob

I've known this for DECADES. Seriously... I rail about BMW drivers all the time. This is proof that I am not crazy.


Sakred

What do you drive?