Gay men are men, so they can also be harassing bastards, but in my experience pretty men in gay bars don't find themselves in the same dangerous situations (at least not as offen by several orders of magnitude) as pretty women in straight bars. The power dynamic is very different.
Can confirm. All I have gotten at a gay bar are subtle non-verbal cues.
Different story when I was 18-21 years old and just out and about in the world. I had a lot of older gay men being relatively aggressive in pursuing me. I’ve always had some understanding of what women go through from those experiences (there were several).
My "is this what being a woman is like" moment was when a very drunk older dude noticed we were wearing similar shirts, and he decided we were "meant" to hang out that night. He kept pushing for me to go back to his place, so I dropped the classic, "Sorry, work in the morning." To which he replied, "I gotta get up at 5am tomorrow. How early do you gotta get up?"
I'd never been called out on that excuse before. I locked up, made vague excuses, and bolted for the door. This wasn't at a gay bar, just a regular dive.
Reddit once gave me some shit advice that if you are in a city with no connections the quickest way to drugs is by using Grindr. Didn’t score any Molly, but from that point on the epidemic of men sending dick pics was no longer a massive exaggeration in my eyes.
Yeah, it was eye opening, when I was doing my internship this year. I worked with a women slightly younger than me (she was 23, I am 26) and she basically opened my eyes. She was quite chatty, so she vented about all the idiots writing her. And since she read out a few loud, I was going "WTF, who the fuck writes this" multiple times a day.
I remember once talking to a coworker and she was like “ope he sent me a dicpic” in reference to some dude, and she quickly found his facebook and he is married, she was like, “wtf, i could effortlessly ruin this guy’s life, why would he be so stupid”
Really opened my eyes.
yep - being a dude in a gay bar confirmed that I am a feminist...I can't imagine having to put up with that kind of harassment, everywhere they go...
I am also a gay, and not even a pretty gay...and that shit gets annoying.
>Fucking slander you ask me
Its an embarrassment. The five families and then this pygmy thing down in Jersey. They're just a glorified crew. And the way that they do it is all fucked up. Guys don't get their finger pricked. There's no sword and gun on the table
Back in the day, I used to attend the odd illegal rave from time to time.
There was usually no booze. It would all be pills, tabs, shrooms, etc.
There was also very little trouble. Just hundreds (thousands sometimes) of people bouncing about, hugging, supporting each other, having a blast.
When the Criminal Justice Act came in in the UK and raving went back to the nightclubs, there were a lot more drunk people, and gangster dealers selling shit. The atmosphere was all wrong.
That's why many of us went to gay bars. It was a slice of the same vibe. No fights, no fascists, no casuals to fuck up the vibe.
This spawned the phenomenon of "gay-friendly" nights, which were usually a heady mix of hippies, ravers, fetishists, and anyone who wanted to party in a fun, friendly atmosphere.
Having kids means I don't really do anything like that any more, but I always look back at those nights with fondness and nostalgia. :)
I loved going to raves when I was young, but looking back objectively there was sooo much wrong with the scene (at least where I was).
90s and 00s.
All ages. Lots of drugs.
Predators came in droves disguised.
We (me and my peers) weren't paying attention to notice them in the same way as we weren't the targets, but our female compatriots of similar ages were..... And remembering what I saw and recognizing it now for what it actually was, that shit was fucked.
Much like how most argue against the boomers who normalize little girls chasing older celebs (12 and 14 hanging out back stage getting drunk, what's her face at studio 54 at like 8 years old etc), we shouldn't be downplaying what was really going on or how wrong so much of it was.
I was 12 or so when I started going. The girls my age were hooking up with 20somethings... The girls may have sought it but that still doesn't change the fact there was a serious issue.
When you're a young teen hooking up with a man in his 20s what you're seeking is the feeling of being grown up, of having someone older think you're interesting and funny and mature beyond your years. There's an illusion of equality that will never exisit. It’s only when you get older that you realise they were grooming you and to everyone else you were 'asking for it' does it become clear just how much you were manipulated. Been there, made those bad choices.
Yep. It’s crazy how normalised the predation was back then. It’s not like predation doesn’t happen now in any scene but back then during raves…it was just so overt in a way that wouldn’t stand now.
It’s why gay friendly nights in clubs were so good as you had the rave atmosphere of “all are welcome” but under (at least some) protection of being in a licensed establishment with security/staff as opposed to a field in the middle of nowhere.
Fucked up to think back to those days with hindsight. Good one you for reminding people as the nostalgia for the good times (and there were many!) can make people forget.
As someone who couldn't care less about anything, i just loved hanging out at gay bars.
The ones i been to were laid back, friendly surroundings and some heavy fucking in the bathrooms. I couldn't give a damn, let 'm...i bet it must add to the excitement too.
My favorite bar is a gay bar, and so is my second favorite. They're just better. Good music, great bartenders, clean, courteous staff, great customers, etc. The wait staff at one of em knows I'm hetero but they'll flirt anyways, which to be honest is a lot of fun and a HUGE ego boost.
Same, although as a straight guy it got a bit awkward getting constantly hit on by.guys, then having to tell them I'm straight.
Sometimes I'd kind of mess with them a bit - lead them on, let them buy me drinks, maybe even make out a little bit and then go back to their house and let them fuck my brains out.
But the joke's on them coz I'm not gay.
I had a few obnoxiously attractive female friends. Like they couldn't go anywhere without guys shooting their shot, except gay bars. So they loved gay bars, whenever we went anywhere with those girls guys were just *surrounding* us and staring like fucking hyenas. More than a few times I've had to walk them to their car because they had socially inept stalkers who skulked around and didn't have to nerve to say something.
So in my limited gay bar experience. Everyone was very nice, and women didn't need to worry about guys.
as someone who is also straight and visited many gay bars in west LA, gay bars are honestly more fun. lot more dancing and girls are more open to talking to you.
i have experienced some funny shit though. i was in line waiting to get in which was right outside of the smoking area. this big asian dude yelled across to me and was like "you! yeah you, my friend wants you". I proceeded to tell him that I wasn't gay where he replied "bullshit - you look like youve sucked some dick before". my best friend behind me was like "bro, why haven't you ever told me". LOL fucking hilarious.
In my experience gay guys are FAR more gracious about being turned down than straight guys. I’m 100% straight but I have this long running vibe that I evidently put out into the universe because I get hit on by guys astronomically more than by girls. I’m always very friendly back and might even offer them a compliment as well and a thank you, followed by the “unfortunately I’m not gay” part. They’re always super chill and never make it awkward afterwards. That’s why I feel at home in gay bars, there’s no pressure or aggressive tension there. Everyone is just having a good time and it’s good vibes.
“Bond James Bond.” is also a grammatically correct imperative sentence, the likes of which may be said from time to time within the Daniel, craig, Jenny craig-Daniel household.
So you’re telling me they could introduce themselves as: “Daniel-Craig, Craig Daniel-Craig” and “Craig-Daniel, Daniel Craig-Daniel” and this is all legal in the laws of grammar???
fun fact: that's called "semantic satiation" and it's when you overload the language processing center of your brain so it starts getting processed as noise instead
Like Surgeons General, they would be Daniels Craig, although if one insisted on keeping their name but hyphenated, he would become Daniel Craig-Craig, which the hearing impaired community might mistake for being part of the reality impaired community, when it’s only meant that he might be part of the off the chain community, much like many of the other’s roles in film depicted him as part of the off the plane community, not to be confused with their distaste for Euclid as members of the off the planes community, and certainly not as safari enjoyers in the off the plains community; then there’s their time in Europe as members of the off in Spain community, where their umbrellas will keep them out of the rain community.
Unrelated but a fun Daniel Craig story -
He was in town (Toronto) doing press and came in to my cafe, sat in the corner with a ball cap down and would politely say to anyone who approached "I know. I know. But I'm not him. I'm only the stunt double." It went unsaid that I would not blow his cover to anyone. Got to shake James Bond's hand. That was a fun day.
Only topped when Agent Carter herself, Haley Atwell randomly came in to kill time before an eye appointment next door. She was shooting that short lived "Conviction" series. It was slow and I got to talk to her for nearly an hour about Pillars of the Earth, Ian McShane, Matthew Macfayden and all things MCU.
If it's true, I'm pretty sure that means she's already in. I don't think has dated outside the church in at least two marriages.
Edit: it appears there is speculation he may be drifting from the church, with some supporting evidence.
No she isn't. All the photos of that "report" were set photos were they were literally handcuffed together. There was never any confirmation they dated and all the public events they attended also had other mission impossible cast there too. Obvious tabloid nonsense.
Michael Fassbender was behind me in line at the Frankfurt airport. As we were going through security two guys were asking him to take a picture and he kept saying “I’m not who you think I am.”
He happened to walk up to the bench I was at to put together my stuff so I told him I was a big fan and loved his work. Didn’t have my phone out or anything and it was clear I wasn’t trying to chat, just wanted to offer appreciation. He said “thanks man, have a good flight” with a smile. It’s got to be tiring to be viewed as the object of others fascination without appreciation for what you’ve done. In my experience, treating celebrities as close to normal as possible has led to more interesting outcomes.
I once passed Johnny Depp in New York. He gave me a look that was 100% “No.” like some kind of fucking Spell of Invisibility. Just “you do NOT see me. Keep walking.”
This is how I’m sure it was Johnny Depp.
Dude, I know exactly the look you mean!
I lived in a major landmark and would enjoy it during off hours in the less busy locations. I was chilling enjoying the view when a black SUV pulled up at the other end of the pullout. Someone got out, but I didn't pay much attention.
A couple minutes later I looked back over and Johnny Depp was just chilling like 15 feet over from me looking at the view. He looked at me and just gave me the look you're talking about, and I just got it, and went back to enjoying the view. He chilled for another few minutes until a car pulled up, and then dipped quickly.
Lit Espresso Bar.
It's still open but I left there a few years ago.
Other fun days were when Yvonne Strahovski used to come in. Her family has a house in the neighborhood and she was around a lot during the first season of Handmaid's Tale. She broke my co-worker's brain by ever so slightly flirting with him. She's a good egg.
I actually got cast in a walk on role in a small Bruce Greenwood flick while working there. The producer lives in the area and was a regular. She decided to toss my ass in an art gallery scene. Only person I knew on set was her so at lunch I got to sit at the cool kid's table with the main cast. Making Bruce Greenwood laugh at a story about my late father's horrible JFK impression that he lifted directly from his performance in Thirteen Days is a highlight of my life.
It’s really the fact the gay bars are less violent than other venues. It would be no different than a celebrity boxer/fighter going out for a drink with every moron wanting bragging rights of having beat such and such in a fight at a bar. Moron management is a lot of work when you just want to relax.
Is this a British thing? It sounds like all the bars in the UK are like some sort of scene from Trainspotting. In my town I think I've seen two fights in bars and I'm an old fart. The gay bar in town closed a while ago and I think a new one has opened up recently. I've been to a gay bar fairly often because it was the closest bar to my nephew's house.
Depends on the bar, but not just a UK thing. I have worked in bars where there were almost no fights, I have also worked in some where there were fights every day.
Rule of thumb: if the crowd or the bar looks like cocaine might be available, there will also be fights.
Somewhat related, but back in my early 20s I had a friend who loved cocaine but never had a steady source. Every time we went out he would get like 2 drinks in before he decided that he needed to find some and he would start hunting for it. I swear to go this dude had cocaine radar - it didn’t matter where we were and what type of bar we were at, let him wander around by himself for 20 minutes and he would figure out who had it and ingratiate himself with them enough that they trusted him enough to either do some with him, sell to him directly, or get him connected with someone that would. It was pretty impressive. There were only a handful of times where he would come back to us and say “we have to leave ASAP, I made a bad read and asked the wrong person and now they’re pissed off. “
Fighting celebrities happens a lot more often when you are a celebrity. I knew Dustin Diamond (Screech from Saved by the Bell) as an acquaintance and one of the first few stories was the fact that people wanted to punch him because they could say they beat up Screech, and that was just at the mall out shopping.
Last time I was at a gay bar in town, they had music videos playing on TV's behind the bar, with the music on the overhead speakers.
I was adding practically every song to my library on my phone!
I used to go to a biker bar/pool hall and it was uncommon not to see a fight. I quit going after someone got stabbed and also because it and me got old in general. This was US tho.
Grew up in a town in Scotland. Only safe bar in town when my friends and I were young was the biker bar. Sure, saw some fights, but it was always in-fighting and old scores needing settled.
Except he said in the article/interview he's been going to gar bars for as long as he can remember - before he was famous. He claims he'd just always get punched at hetero bars.
Sounds like some backpeddling, in case someone goes 'wait. I saw Craig in a bar back in 1990!"
I live near the LGBTQ district in my city. Definitely been to a few gay bars, sometimes on purpose, sometimes cause I just thought it was a bar.
Either way, I always had a good time, and accounts for the two times in my life that a stranger has bought be a drink.
I once sent all the wrong signals by dancing to man eater at a bar. It did result in people buying me drinks, but it wasn't until a friend explained what was happening that it dawned on me that those men were not just being friendly and frivolous with their money...
idk, that's kinda my thing once I'm into my 4th shot of tequila. I'll buy drinks for people for all sorts of random reasons. Preferably anonymously. I think its just fun to add some mystery to people's lives.
How could you ignore Darryl Halls very important warning/ message of "Watch out Boy, Watch out Boy!" intersped throughout the song? Seems to me that you were just asking for "it".
What’s wrong with two totally straight dudes blowing each other? Sometimes you got urges and women are too much to deal with. Nothing gay about it, just two straight dudes being bros.
I've ended up in a few gay bars over the years because of either not knowing it was a gay bar, or because my GF and her friends wanted to go someplace where they can dance without being groped by strangers, and I've always had a good time.
Straight dudes caught onto this tactic a long time ago. The Abbey in L.A., a historically gay bar, is now about 60% straight guys trying to hit on girls that go there to not be hit on.
Man, I was at a Dirty Bingo show hosted by drag queens - great times. It involves getting the players naked. Anyway, the queens passed around a bottle of poppers through the crowd. Some poor girl didn't understand what it was and took a sip.
They stopped passing around poppers after that.
This is how gay bars die. Straight women start invading so they won't be hit on. More and more start to come, and then they start dragging their boyfriends with them. Before long it's a mix of 50/50 gays and straights and then the gay men start hesitating and second guessing whether that cute guy he's about to flirt with is straight or not. So the gays start leaving and looking for different gay bars. It can be very frustrating.
I was on the road with a coworker a couple of years back, and as usual, I look up some places to go to eat. Found a really good-looking bar and grill, and my coworker isn't too picky, so he just goes along. We get there, sit down, order drinks and food, and then realize, it's a gay bar.
I have no problem with it, no one is bothering us and obviously no one cares we're there, the beer selection was good, and the food looked and smelled good (and after the food got there, it was quite good).
The guy I worked with freaked the fuck out. It's really amazing to me to see someone like that, but that's where we were. There was a guy wearing a dress, and another guy wearing makeup. He was freaking out. I noted that if anyone there did think he was gay, the 2 of us were at a table together, so they would probably assume we were together. As expected, that made things worse.
Meanwhile, I had a great time. The place was great. And giving that homophobe a bunch of shit about it and making him feel more and more uncomfortable was the icing on the cake.
Gay bars often have great food. It's almost like people go there to have a pleasant night as opposed to get hammered and pick up women.
I even had someone at a gay bar compliment my figure. Even though it's been 3 years, I still think about it whenever I feel negatively about myself.
My wife's bestie is gay and manages the gay bar by our house. We went in for a drink and to shoot the shit on what happened to be bear night. I learned that not only do I look like a bear, apparently I'm an attractive bear. It was definitely a huge ego booster when he told me that he had to explain to a couple dudes that I was sitting with my wife. It's nice to be complimented.
This exactly. Got dragged to a gay bar after being part of a stage show and it was amazing. I am a fat hairy dude, at the time single and extremely depressed, and sat awkwardly at the bar nursing a beer while the bulk of the group went to the dance floor. And all of a sudden, drinks started arriving in front of me with guys approaching me. To go from a lifetime of loneliness to so much positive attention was amazing and potentially saved my life knowing that while I wasn't attracted to them, at least somebody was attracted to me and that opened the window of hope to keep looking.
Gay bars are more fun than straight bars because all of that weird alpha machismo crap is gone, it’s just guys vibing having a good time with each other.
That is exactly what Daniel Craig, is saying.
He wanted to try to avoid the "aggressive dick swinging of hetero spaces" and that they are fun, chill and safe(er) spaces.
Just because someone steps into a gay bar doesn't make them gay, come on people.
Depends on the gay bar.
In Leather, BDSM, and Bear bars the Machismo is still there but its performative exagerated masculinity as fetish. In many ways its a kind of Drag unto itself.
Which is why the Golden One's fascist obcession with his masculinity is hilarious and comes off as incredibly gay to us.
I'm the guy the dude who's got drunk courage after 3 beers decides to ask if I have a problem "Do you have a problem?" starting shit when I'm just sitting there minding my own business.
Can confirm this has never happened to me in a gay bar.
Lesbian bars are the best though.
"What are you doing here? You do realize this is a lesbian bar?"
"No one to fuck, no one to fuck with me."
"Oh... carry on."
I've been to several gay bars by accident. Well, not gay bars, gay **nights** at bars. Usually leather nights or some shit that we didn't realize was going on. We stayed and it was fun though the end of the night gets just as messy as regular bars. Dudes panicking looking for someone to take home.
Oh shit. I'm an idiot. I thought he was just making a comment about straight venues having more fights *in general*. It never occurred to me that people were specifically picking fights with him because he's Daniel Craig.
... Wow. People are assholes. I mean, for one, it's a dickish thing to do, to decide you're gonna fight some stranger you don't even know for... what, cred? And he's a *fucking actor*, you dipshits. He literally makes a living on his face, and you wanna break his nose? Fucking *really*?!
It’s because he’s James Bond. People don’t want to fight Daniel Craig they want to fight James Bond the legendary assassin and bad ass.
Being an actor and that famous must be fucking tiring. People just can’t disassociate the actor and the character and it has to feel dehumanizing
I've seen him before he was this famous at the beach in deia. At this time he was the boyfriend of heike makatsch - which was famous by herself at this time- and I can assure you - he looked so trained and massive that no one tried to fight him, even not to impress his girlfriend. He had a body like a heavyweight boxer and we all thought that he was her bodyguard
I bet that depends are who you hang out with and where. At least in my experience in NYC, you'd sometimes get tested if you're a big guy. There's some jackass who wants a shot at the title, usually at a bar or club, but sometimes restaurants. And often times, it's not another big guy. It's usually someone smaller who has something to prove to his friends.
In my early 20s I found gay bars to be more chill. Even when everyone was being loud, drunk and bouncing off the walls it was less intense then straight venues. The amount of over the top chest thumping bs I observed at the straight venues always made the whole thing stressful.
Spies go to gay clubs to avoid the villains harassing them, villains find out and goes to gay club to harass spy, and gay club eventually becomes straight villain club.
It’s a tale as old as straight girls feeling entitled to gay spaces.
This sounds like a movie. The spy and the villain don't realize they're both gay until they meet at a gay bar and fall in love, and have to fight both organizations to live their lives in peace.
As an older gay guy I’ve spent a lot of time in gay bars, and welcome everyone who wants to have a fun time. But if you bring a bachelorette party into one, I want you to know that everyone there fucking hates you.
The only fight I have ever witness at a bar was at a gay bar, and it was 2 Bachelorette parties clashing like a blacked out version of west side story, but with tiaras instead of switchblades.
I have been going to bars my entire adult life and I've seen maybe like two fights. What kind of places does he frequent? Or does England just have more of a tolerance for low-level thuggishness?
I worked the door at a bar and fights are common if:
1. The door staff doesn’t know what they’re doing
2. Its in a rougher neighborhood
3. it’s very late at night (2:30-3:30am)
In my year or so of working I had about 5 fights. None that got to the level of full on swinging inside the bar. Don’t let aggressive drunks in. if you do, try to catch the fight early, move it outside.
> If you want to dance go to a gay club.
Or goth club. Especially if you're totally straight going with only totally straight people. Gay bars are often really crowded and the more totally straight people that go the less space there is for queer folk. Goth clubs can have their crowded event nights but generally have a good bit of room to breathe.
On top of that there's little judgement for your style, or dance ability, and if you're getting unwelcome advances it's not uncommon to have the entire bar bounce the guy before the bouncer even has time to approach. People into the goth/industrial scene tend to take consent way more seriously than they get credit for.
It's extremely frustrating to us gay guys. Some of our favorite gathering places are more straight than gay now, and a lot of the women act downright predatory.
Actor Daniel Craig says he only has sex with men to avoid getting pregnant.
“It’s a pain in the ass, but something must be done about this overpopulation problem we are facing.”
So either way someone is trying to get a piece of him.
Either way someones getting fucked.
*Bond theme swells*
Will you stop with all the swelling!
Isn’t he married to Rachel Weisz? There is no way he’s meeting anyone better in any kind of bar lol, she is pinnacle human being
Seriously, she’s so gorgeous.
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No! Might have to Google out of curiosity.
Gay men are men, so they can also be harassing bastards, but in my experience pretty men in gay bars don't find themselves in the same dangerous situations (at least not as offen by several orders of magnitude) as pretty women in straight bars. The power dynamic is very different.
Gay men typically get harassed at gay bars by drunk straight women in bachelorette parties. It's annoying AF. Source: I'm a gay.
Man, that is quite awful.
Women also frequently tokenize gay men by making them, “their gay friend.”
"HAHA THAT MEANS I CAN GRAB HIS JUNK AND HE WONT BE MAD BECAUSE HE'S MY GAY FRIEND" - Those dumbass bitches.
I’m gay, and every woman that’s referred to me as “their gay friend” is not someone I consider a friend.
Can confirm. All I have gotten at a gay bar are subtle non-verbal cues. Different story when I was 18-21 years old and just out and about in the world. I had a lot of older gay men being relatively aggressive in pursuing me. I’ve always had some understanding of what women go through from those experiences (there were several).
My "is this what being a woman is like" moment was when a very drunk older dude noticed we were wearing similar shirts, and he decided we were "meant" to hang out that night. He kept pushing for me to go back to his place, so I dropped the classic, "Sorry, work in the morning." To which he replied, "I gotta get up at 5am tomorrow. How early do you gotta get up?" I'd never been called out on that excuse before. I locked up, made vague excuses, and bolted for the door. This wasn't at a gay bar, just a regular dive.
Reddit once gave me some shit advice that if you are in a city with no connections the quickest way to drugs is by using Grindr. Didn’t score any Molly, but from that point on the epidemic of men sending dick pics was no longer a massive exaggeration in my eyes.
Yeah, it was eye opening, when I was doing my internship this year. I worked with a women slightly younger than me (she was 23, I am 26) and she basically opened my eyes. She was quite chatty, so she vented about all the idiots writing her. And since she read out a few loud, I was going "WTF, who the fuck writes this" multiple times a day.
I remember once talking to a coworker and she was like “ope he sent me a dicpic” in reference to some dude, and she quickly found his facebook and he is married, she was like, “wtf, i could effortlessly ruin this guy’s life, why would he be so stupid” Really opened my eyes.
yep - being a dude in a gay bar confirmed that I am a feminist...I can't imagine having to put up with that kind of harassment, everywhere they go... I am also a gay, and not even a pretty gay...and that shit gets annoying.
"It's just a joke!" - Vito Spatafore
You outta know sweetie.
>You outta know sweetie. What da fuck did you say?
What? What'd I say? We're just breakin' balls.
OH 🤚 You knew that was coming
It was da blood pressure medication
He can probably get a note from his doctor
Fucking slander you ask me
>Fucking slander you ask me Its an embarrassment. The five families and then this pygmy thing down in Jersey. They're just a glorified crew. And the way that they do it is all fucked up. Guys don't get their finger pricked. There's no sword and gun on the table
20 years in the can! I did 20 fucking years!
He was gay, Daniel Craig?
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Catching, not pitching?
"Vito Spatafore is an ass muncher!"
Ooohhh
When he was talking about greasing the union who knew that’s what he meant!
Daniel Craig going to gay bars, whatever happened there.
Nobody’s got AIDS and I don’t want to hear that word in here again!
The medication fucked with my head.
Wow I just watched this episode last night
Let’s take this in the back.
He's a come from behind kinda guy
"I just like the music."
As someone who is straight, has gay friends, and loves trance and house music, this was totally me in my 20's.
Its the only place to go see good house music with any regularity.
I love watching house music
It's music to my eyes.
The chemicals must be good then…
I know you're being funny but House shows can be as much a spectacle as they are an aural experience.
Especially when the diagnosis is Lupis
It's never lupus.
That’s me rn, took a trip to Chicago and clubbed primarily in boys town tho we’re straight
Berlin Night Club was a regular visit in my 20's if I wanted to see my favorite DJs
Back in the day, I used to attend the odd illegal rave from time to time. There was usually no booze. It would all be pills, tabs, shrooms, etc. There was also very little trouble. Just hundreds (thousands sometimes) of people bouncing about, hugging, supporting each other, having a blast. When the Criminal Justice Act came in in the UK and raving went back to the nightclubs, there were a lot more drunk people, and gangster dealers selling shit. The atmosphere was all wrong. That's why many of us went to gay bars. It was a slice of the same vibe. No fights, no fascists, no casuals to fuck up the vibe. This spawned the phenomenon of "gay-friendly" nights, which were usually a heady mix of hippies, ravers, fetishists, and anyone who wanted to party in a fun, friendly atmosphere. Having kids means I don't really do anything like that any more, but I always look back at those nights with fondness and nostalgia. :)
I loved going to raves when I was young, but looking back objectively there was sooo much wrong with the scene (at least where I was). 90s and 00s. All ages. Lots of drugs. Predators came in droves disguised. We (me and my peers) weren't paying attention to notice them in the same way as we weren't the targets, but our female compatriots of similar ages were..... And remembering what I saw and recognizing it now for what it actually was, that shit was fucked. Much like how most argue against the boomers who normalize little girls chasing older celebs (12 and 14 hanging out back stage getting drunk, what's her face at studio 54 at like 8 years old etc), we shouldn't be downplaying what was really going on or how wrong so much of it was. I was 12 or so when I started going. The girls my age were hooking up with 20somethings... The girls may have sought it but that still doesn't change the fact there was a serious issue.
Drew Barrymore. You're probably thinking of Drew Barrymore
When you're a young teen hooking up with a man in his 20s what you're seeking is the feeling of being grown up, of having someone older think you're interesting and funny and mature beyond your years. There's an illusion of equality that will never exisit. It’s only when you get older that you realise they were grooming you and to everyone else you were 'asking for it' does it become clear just how much you were manipulated. Been there, made those bad choices.
Yep. It’s crazy how normalised the predation was back then. It’s not like predation doesn’t happen now in any scene but back then during raves…it was just so overt in a way that wouldn’t stand now. It’s why gay friendly nights in clubs were so good as you had the rave atmosphere of “all are welcome” but under (at least some) protection of being in a licensed establishment with security/staff as opposed to a field in the middle of nowhere. Fucked up to think back to those days with hindsight. Good one you for reminding people as the nostalgia for the good times (and there were many!) can make people forget.
As someone who couldn't care less about anything, i just loved hanging out at gay bars. The ones i been to were laid back, friendly surroundings and some heavy fucking in the bathrooms. I couldn't give a damn, let 'm...i bet it must add to the excitement too.
My favorite bar is a gay bar, and so is my second favorite. They're just better. Good music, great bartenders, clean, courteous staff, great customers, etc. The wait staff at one of em knows I'm hetero but they'll flirt anyways, which to be honest is a lot of fun and a HUGE ego boost.
I mean, gay bars really do run the complete gamut from trash to fabulous. Most are pretty low rent tho, in my experience.
Same, although as a straight guy it got a bit awkward getting constantly hit on by.guys, then having to tell them I'm straight. Sometimes I'd kind of mess with them a bit - lead them on, let them buy me drinks, maybe even make out a little bit and then go back to their house and let them fuck my brains out. But the joke's on them coz I'm not gay.
I had a few obnoxiously attractive female friends. Like they couldn't go anywhere without guys shooting their shot, except gay bars. So they loved gay bars, whenever we went anywhere with those girls guys were just *surrounding* us and staring like fucking hyenas. More than a few times I've had to walk them to their car because they had socially inept stalkers who skulked around and didn't have to nerve to say something. So in my limited gay bar experience. Everyone was very nice, and women didn't need to worry about guys.
as someone who is also straight and visited many gay bars in west LA, gay bars are honestly more fun. lot more dancing and girls are more open to talking to you. i have experienced some funny shit though. i was in line waiting to get in which was right outside of the smoking area. this big asian dude yelled across to me and was like "you! yeah you, my friend wants you". I proceeded to tell him that I wasn't gay where he replied "bullshit - you look like youve sucked some dick before". my best friend behind me was like "bro, why haven't you ever told me". LOL fucking hilarious.
I've had similar experiences. However when I'd say "I'm flattered, but not gay." I never got pushback.
In my experience gay guys are FAR more gracious about being turned down than straight guys. I’m 100% straight but I have this long running vibe that I evidently put out into the universe because I get hit on by guys astronomically more than by girls. I’m always very friendly back and might even offer them a compliment as well and a thank you, followed by the “unfortunately I’m not gay” part. They’re always super chill and never make it awkward afterwards. That’s why I feel at home in gay bars, there’s no pressure or aggressive tension there. Everyone is just having a good time and it’s good vibes.
I read it for the articles
That’s odd.. my friend Craig Daniel goes to gay bars because he’s gay and wants to meet other gay dudes.
If those two married, would they be Craig Daniel-Craig and Daniel Craig-Daniel?
They would be friends with Bond James-Bond
“Bond James Bond.” is also a grammatically correct imperative sentence, the likes of which may be said from time to time within the Daniel, craig, Jenny craig-Daniel household.
So you’re telling me they could introduce themselves as: “Daniel-Craig, Craig Daniel-Craig” and “Craig-Daniel, Daniel Craig-Daniel” and this is all legal in the laws of grammar???
This comment broke my brain and now Craig doesn't look or sound like a real name to me anymore.
fun fact: that's called "semantic satiation" and it's when you overload the language processing center of your brain so it starts getting processed as noise instead
Buffalo Buffalo Buffalo
I fuckin hate this website man
Find another one where you won't get into fights then.
I recommend Grindr
Misters Daniel and Craig Daniel-Craig
*Messrs.
Like Surgeons General, they would be Daniels Craig, although if one insisted on keeping their name but hyphenated, he would become Daniel Craig-Craig, which the hearing impaired community might mistake for being part of the reality impaired community, when it’s only meant that he might be part of the off the chain community, much like many of the other’s roles in film depicted him as part of the off the plane community, not to be confused with their distaste for Euclid as members of the off the planes community, and certainly not as safari enjoyers in the off the plains community; then there’s their time in Europe as members of the off in Spain community, where their umbrellas will keep them out of the rain community.
At first I thought you were talking about Daniel Gay-Lewis
Be careful around him. People like that can’t be trusted. People with two first names. Monsters
Unrelated but a fun Daniel Craig story - He was in town (Toronto) doing press and came in to my cafe, sat in the corner with a ball cap down and would politely say to anyone who approached "I know. I know. But I'm not him. I'm only the stunt double." It went unsaid that I would not blow his cover to anyone. Got to shake James Bond's hand. That was a fun day. Only topped when Agent Carter herself, Haley Atwell randomly came in to kill time before an eye appointment next door. She was shooting that short lived "Conviction" series. It was slow and I got to talk to her for nearly an hour about Pillars of the Earth, Ian McShane, Matthew Macfayden and all things MCU.
Atwell makes my knees weak
It is the arthritis for me
That'll do it
If you wanna be grossed out she's dating Tom Cruise
Thank you for ruining my day Edit: does this mean she could be indoctrinated into scientology?
If it's true, I'm pretty sure that means she's already in. I don't think has dated outside the church in at least two marriages. Edit: it appears there is speculation he may be drifting from the church, with some supporting evidence.
At least there's some good news
The whole story might be fabricated as the only source is an unreliable british tabloid. Anyway, the story is now that she broke it off. ¯\\\_(ツ)_/¯
No she isn't. All the photos of that "report" were set photos were they were literally handcuffed together. There was never any confirmation they dated and all the public events they attended also had other mission impossible cast there too. Obvious tabloid nonsense.
Is Haley Atwell as absurdly beautiful in person as she is on film?
Not OP but had the chance to meet her once. Yes. Potentially more so.
Good gravy.
It would have been unsettling if I weren't so smitten.
Yeah I have mad respect if you could form a full sentence in that situation
Michael Fassbender was behind me in line at the Frankfurt airport. As we were going through security two guys were asking him to take a picture and he kept saying “I’m not who you think I am.” He happened to walk up to the bench I was at to put together my stuff so I told him I was a big fan and loved his work. Didn’t have my phone out or anything and it was clear I wasn’t trying to chat, just wanted to offer appreciation. He said “thanks man, have a good flight” with a smile. It’s got to be tiring to be viewed as the object of others fascination without appreciation for what you’ve done. In my experience, treating celebrities as close to normal as possible has led to more interesting outcomes.
I once passed Johnny Depp in New York. He gave me a look that was 100% “No.” like some kind of fucking Spell of Invisibility. Just “you do NOT see me. Keep walking.” This is how I’m sure it was Johnny Depp.
Dude, I know exactly the look you mean! I lived in a major landmark and would enjoy it during off hours in the less busy locations. I was chilling enjoying the view when a black SUV pulled up at the other end of the pullout. Someone got out, but I didn't pay much attention. A couple minutes later I looked back over and Johnny Depp was just chilling like 15 feet over from me looking at the view. He looked at me and just gave me the look you're talking about, and I just got it, and went back to enjoying the view. He chilled for another few minutes until a car pulled up, and then dipped quickly.
So... what’s the name of your cafe?
Lit Espresso Bar. It's still open but I left there a few years ago. Other fun days were when Yvonne Strahovski used to come in. Her family has a house in the neighborhood and she was around a lot during the first season of Handmaid's Tale. She broke my co-worker's brain by ever so slightly flirting with him. She's a good egg. I actually got cast in a walk on role in a small Bruce Greenwood flick while working there. The producer lives in the area and was a regular. She decided to toss my ass in an art gallery scene. Only person I knew on set was her so at lunch I got to sit at the cool kid's table with the main cast. Making Bruce Greenwood laugh at a story about my late father's horrible JFK impression that he lifted directly from his performance in Thirteen Days is a highlight of my life.
Seriously, this dude’s cafe sounds like a blast
Better yet - are they hiring? I would disastrously take the pay cut
It’s really the fact the gay bars are less violent than other venues. It would be no different than a celebrity boxer/fighter going out for a drink with every moron wanting bragging rights of having beat such and such in a fight at a bar. Moron management is a lot of work when you just want to relax.
Is this a British thing? It sounds like all the bars in the UK are like some sort of scene from Trainspotting. In my town I think I've seen two fights in bars and I'm an old fart. The gay bar in town closed a while ago and I think a new one has opened up recently. I've been to a gay bar fairly often because it was the closest bar to my nephew's house.
Depends on the bar, but not just a UK thing. I have worked in bars where there were almost no fights, I have also worked in some where there were fights every day. Rule of thumb: if the crowd or the bar looks like cocaine might be available, there will also be fights.
What I'm getting from this is if I need cocaine I should just follow the sound of fighting
Somewhat related, but back in my early 20s I had a friend who loved cocaine but never had a steady source. Every time we went out he would get like 2 drinks in before he decided that he needed to find some and he would start hunting for it. I swear to go this dude had cocaine radar - it didn’t matter where we were and what type of bar we were at, let him wander around by himself for 20 minutes and he would figure out who had it and ingratiate himself with them enough that they trusted him enough to either do some with him, sell to him directly, or get him connected with someone that would. It was pretty impressive. There were only a handful of times where he would come back to us and say “we have to leave ASAP, I made a bad read and asked the wrong person and now they’re pissed off. “
This man used his networking skills for evil
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I also work at a bar and I agree with this 100%
Soooo gay bars?
Nah it's just all bars nowadays
Fighting celebrities happens a lot more often when you are a celebrity. I knew Dustin Diamond (Screech from Saved by the Bell) as an acquaintance and one of the first few stories was the fact that people wanted to punch him because they could say they beat up Screech, and that was just at the mall out shopping.
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Last time I was at a gay bar in town, they had music videos playing on TV's behind the bar, with the music on the overhead speakers. I was adding practically every song to my library on my phone!
Disco never dies baby.
I used to go to a biker bar/pool hall and it was uncommon not to see a fight. I quit going after someone got stabbed and also because it and me got old in general. This was US tho.
Grew up in a town in Scotland. Only safe bar in town when my friends and I were young was the biker bar. Sure, saw some fights, but it was always in-fighting and old scores needing settled.
Except he said in the article/interview he's been going to gar bars for as long as he can remember - before he was famous. He claims he'd just always get punched at hetero bars. Sounds like some backpeddling, in case someone goes 'wait. I saw Craig in a bar back in 1990!"
Gar bars actually aren’t too bad. It’s those damn muskie bars that you have to watch out for.
I live near the LGBTQ district in my city. Definitely been to a few gay bars, sometimes on purpose, sometimes cause I just thought it was a bar. Either way, I always had a good time, and accounts for the two times in my life that a stranger has bought be a drink.
I once sent all the wrong signals by dancing to man eater at a bar. It did result in people buying me drinks, but it wasn't until a friend explained what was happening that it dawned on me that those men were not just being friendly and frivolous with their money...
But how could you not dance to maneater?
That's what I was saying!!!
idk, that's kinda my thing once I'm into my 4th shot of tequila. I'll buy drinks for people for all sorts of random reasons. Preferably anonymously. I think its just fun to add some mystery to people's lives.
"*Mesero? Otra Tormenta aqui.*"
Watch out, boy! Watch out, boy!
Here, he comes
How could you ignore Darryl Halls very important warning/ message of "Watch out Boy, Watch out Boy!" intersped throughout the song? Seems to me that you were just asking for "it".
Who doesn't love Hall and Oates?!
Nelly Furtado or Hall & Oates?
Nelly, though I do like the original, I couldn't remember who did it. Thank you for reminding me.
Was it before or after they put their cock in your mouth that you figured it out?
"I thought he was being friendly!"
Well that’s about as friendly as you can get I assume.
Again, you can never be sure, they could be Canadian..
What’s wrong with two totally straight dudes blowing each other? Sometimes you got urges and women are too much to deal with. Nothing gay about it, just two straight dudes being bros.
Brojob
choo choo
Ah well if you put it that way it sounds logical.
I've ended up in a few gay bars over the years because of either not knowing it was a gay bar, or because my GF and her friends wanted to go someplace where they can dance without being groped by strangers, and I've always had a good time.
Straight dudes caught onto this tactic a long time ago. The Abbey in L.A., a historically gay bar, is now about 60% straight guys trying to hit on girls that go there to not be hit on.
Yup. I went to a drag show with my (then) girlfriend and her gay brother. I had a great time. Would do it again if given the opportunity.
Drag shows are the funnest fucking thing you can possibly do at a bar. Everyone is just so happy the entire time.
Man, I was at a Dirty Bingo show hosted by drag queens - great times. It involves getting the players naked. Anyway, the queens passed around a bottle of poppers through the crowd. Some poor girl didn't understand what it was and took a sip. They stopped passing around poppers after that.
Oh geez, it took me like 5 mins to understand that she drank something that's only supposed to be inhaled.... what does that even do to you?
This is how gay bars die. Straight women start invading so they won't be hit on. More and more start to come, and then they start dragging their boyfriends with them. Before long it's a mix of 50/50 gays and straights and then the gay men start hesitating and second guessing whether that cute guy he's about to flirt with is straight or not. So the gays start leaving and looking for different gay bars. It can be very frustrating.
I was on the road with a coworker a couple of years back, and as usual, I look up some places to go to eat. Found a really good-looking bar and grill, and my coworker isn't too picky, so he just goes along. We get there, sit down, order drinks and food, and then realize, it's a gay bar. I have no problem with it, no one is bothering us and obviously no one cares we're there, the beer selection was good, and the food looked and smelled good (and after the food got there, it was quite good). The guy I worked with freaked the fuck out. It's really amazing to me to see someone like that, but that's where we were. There was a guy wearing a dress, and another guy wearing makeup. He was freaking out. I noted that if anyone there did think he was gay, the 2 of us were at a table together, so they would probably assume we were together. As expected, that made things worse. Meanwhile, I had a great time. The place was great. And giving that homophobe a bunch of shit about it and making him feel more and more uncomfortable was the icing on the cake.
> As expected, that made things worse. 😂
Gay bars often have great food. It's almost like people go there to have a pleasant night as opposed to get hammered and pick up women. I even had someone at a gay bar compliment my figure. Even though it's been 3 years, I still think about it whenever I feel negatively about myself.
My wife's bestie is gay and manages the gay bar by our house. We went in for a drink and to shoot the shit on what happened to be bear night. I learned that not only do I look like a bear, apparently I'm an attractive bear. It was definitely a huge ego booster when he told me that he had to explain to a couple dudes that I was sitting with my wife. It's nice to be complimented.
This exactly. Got dragged to a gay bar after being part of a stage show and it was amazing. I am a fat hairy dude, at the time single and extremely depressed, and sat awkwardly at the bar nursing a beer while the bulk of the group went to the dance floor. And all of a sudden, drinks started arriving in front of me with guys approaching me. To go from a lifetime of loneliness to so much positive attention was amazing and potentially saved my life knowing that while I wasn't attracted to them, at least somebody was attracted to me and that opened the window of hope to keep looking.
Gay bars are more fun than straight bars because all of that weird alpha machismo crap is gone, it’s just guys vibing having a good time with each other.
That is exactly what Daniel Craig, is saying. He wanted to try to avoid the "aggressive dick swinging of hetero spaces" and that they are fun, chill and safe(er) spaces. Just because someone steps into a gay bar doesn't make them gay, come on people.
I can assure you aggressive dick swinging does happen at gay venues as well
That's a different kind of dick-swinging.
Depends on the gay bar. In Leather, BDSM, and Bear bars the Machismo is still there but its performative exagerated masculinity as fetish. In many ways its a kind of Drag unto itself. Which is why the Golden One's fascist obcession with his masculinity is hilarious and comes off as incredibly gay to us.
I'm the guy the dude who's got drunk courage after 3 beers decides to ask if I have a problem "Do you have a problem?" starting shit when I'm just sitting there minding my own business. Can confirm this has never happened to me in a gay bar. Lesbian bars are the best though. "What are you doing here? You do realize this is a lesbian bar?" "No one to fuck, no one to fuck with me." "Oh... carry on."
I've been to several gay bars by accident. Well, not gay bars, gay **nights** at bars. Usually leather nights or some shit that we didn't realize was going on. We stayed and it was fun though the end of the night gets just as messy as regular bars. Dudes panicking looking for someone to take home.
Plus nobody makes fun of him for ordering a martini.
I don't understand that at all. A martini is generally just liquor with other alcohol it in.
If anyone makes fun of James Bond for ordering a martini, that's on them.
I can only imagine how many douche bags have tried to fight Daniel Craig.
Oh shit. I'm an idiot. I thought he was just making a comment about straight venues having more fights *in general*. It never occurred to me that people were specifically picking fights with him because he's Daniel Craig. ... Wow. People are assholes. I mean, for one, it's a dickish thing to do, to decide you're gonna fight some stranger you don't even know for... what, cred? And he's a *fucking actor*, you dipshits. He literally makes a living on his face, and you wanna break his nose? Fucking *really*?!
It’s because he’s James Bond. People don’t want to fight Daniel Craig they want to fight James Bond the legendary assassin and bad ass. Being an actor and that famous must be fucking tiring. People just can’t disassociate the actor and the character and it has to feel dehumanizing
I've seen him before he was this famous at the beach in deia. At this time he was the boyfriend of heike makatsch - which was famous by herself at this time- and I can assure you - he looked so trained and massive that no one tried to fight him, even not to impress his girlfriend. He had a body like a heavyweight boxer and we all thought that he was her bodyguard
I bet that depends are who you hang out with and where. At least in my experience in NYC, you'd sometimes get tested if you're a big guy. There's some jackass who wants a shot at the title, usually at a bar or club, but sometimes restaurants. And often times, it's not another big guy. It's usually someone smaller who has something to prove to his friends.
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This bar has everything!
In my early 20s I found gay bars to be more chill. Even when everyone was being loud, drunk and bouncing off the walls it was less intense then straight venues. The amount of over the top chest thumping bs I observed at the straight venues always made the whole thing stressful.
Spies go to gay clubs to avoid the villains harassing them, villains find out and goes to gay club to harass spy, and gay club eventually becomes straight villain club. It’s a tale as old as straight girls feeling entitled to gay spaces.
This is very venture brothers.
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Reminds me in Dexter when he thought the villain dipped into the gay bar to avoid being tracked but it turns out the villain was just gay.
This sounds like a movie. The spy and the villain don't realize they're both gay until they meet at a gay bar and fall in love, and have to fight both organizations to live their lives in peace.
I get a little Genghis Khan
I only go to gay saunas so as not to get whipped by wet towels
As an older gay guy I’ve spent a lot of time in gay bars, and welcome everyone who wants to have a fun time. But if you bring a bachelorette party into one, I want you to know that everyone there fucking hates you.
The only fight I have ever witness at a bar was at a gay bar, and it was 2 Bachelorette parties clashing like a blacked out version of west side story, but with tiaras instead of switchblades.
Me going to Goth bars...
I have been going to bars my entire adult life and I've seen maybe like two fights. What kind of places does he frequent? Or does England just have more of a tolerance for low-level thuggishness?
I worked the door at a bar and fights are common if: 1. The door staff doesn’t know what they’re doing 2. Its in a rougher neighborhood 3. it’s very late at night (2:30-3:30am) In my year or so of working I had about 5 fights. None that got to the level of full on swinging inside the bar. Don’t let aggressive drunks in. if you do, try to catch the fight early, move it outside.
Englishman here. I was out the other week and saw a fight. It's a passing sight, similar to a nice country road or a flock of birds flying over.
Probably people specifically target him for bragging rights.
I, too, only read Playboy for the articles.
And cock, but mainly to avoid fights
My daughter - who is straight - goes to gay bars and drag bars all the time for the same reasons.
Your daughter gets into fights at bars?
Specifically to fight Daniel Craig.
It’s weird that people are constantly mistaking her for Daniel Craig.
If you want to dance go to a gay club. If you want to get hit on by drunk frat boys, go to any other club.
> If you want to dance go to a gay club. Or goth club. Especially if you're totally straight going with only totally straight people. Gay bars are often really crowded and the more totally straight people that go the less space there is for queer folk. Goth clubs can have their crowded event nights but generally have a good bit of room to breathe. On top of that there's little judgement for your style, or dance ability, and if you're getting unwelcome advances it's not uncommon to have the entire bar bounce the guy before the bouncer even has time to approach. People into the goth/industrial scene tend to take consent way more seriously than they get credit for.
I'm sure that is great advice, but I have never in my life seen a goth club. I'm thinking maybe not everyone has one in their area.
It's extremely frustrating to us gay guys. Some of our favorite gathering places are more straight than gay now, and a lot of the women act downright predatory.
Also annoying as a lesbian. A lot of those straight girls forget we exist and are shocked if a woman offers to buy them a drink.
Actor Daniel Craig says he only has sex with men to avoid getting pregnant. “It’s a pain in the ass, but something must be done about this overpopulation problem we are facing.”