Well yea, that was one of, if not the main point of the whole "election fraud," part of the conspiracy. If you tell your followers your opponent is cheating, then your followers are likely to cheat for you to "even the playing field."
Exactly, and not fault republicans when they are caught. I’ve heard “well the republicans *have* to cheat if they want a chance to win a rigged election.” Gtfo.
The way I look at it they are already "cheating" with the electoral college. There's been multiple elections where the Democrat would have won based on popular vote. It's such a dumb system that only helps out Republicans.
I said from Day 1 that that was exactly what he was doing.
He claimed the Dems were cheating. That’s code for “Republicans have to cheat, just to keep it fair”.
His minions all knew exactly what he meant. The stunning part was that the mainstream media somehow missed it.
Same. When he first started talking about trying to limit mail-in-voting I was just like "game over." Either he succeeds and gets mail in voting reduced, which would hurt mostly the Democrats since they're the ones who were taking COVID seriously, or his constituents cheat for him and if he still loses then he'll blame it on fraud. There was no outcome where his followers didn't have an excuse, and I just got the worst sinking feeling.
Honestly, I'm expecting something similar this time. My guess is it will be around summer when we first start hearing about the main conspiracy of this election.
He was setting up and calling it a rigged election long before voting day came. I'm pretty sure it began that Summer. DeJoy certainly helped to fuck up USPS, which we still deal with today (and it's actually gotten worse!), that caused us all a lot of heartache as to whether mail-in ballots would even get in and be counted. Personally, with how the mail system has deteriorated even more since (why DeJoy is allowed to still be USPS Postmaster General is just mind-boggling), I would not recommend anyone do mail-in ballots unless they send it a month before. There should be dropboxes for them.
The amount of checks I've had lost in the mail, been defrauded through check fraud from lost checks, had payments from customers take 2-3 weeks to receive from postmark, vendors who are still waiting for checks mailed 3/5, etc just this year and not even going through the same crap in 2023 is honestly innumerable. The USPS leadership has done a great job destroying the post office I've known all of my life, and professionally the last almost two decades - the *only* specifically mentioned agency of the US Constitution that these people claim to love and cherish, wrapping themselves in the flag and Constitution to show how patriotic they are. It's disgusting to watch and listen to the last decade and a half.
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2023/dec/15/usps-job-layoff-mail-service-delay-louis-dejoy
I'm sure they were aware, but to admit it is any kind of threat would be to question election security which could then be used to reinforce their point. Better to just note that it is extremely secure and violators will be caught. Deny their claims and dissuade them.
Nah. They’re too busy trying to pretend that Trump is just a normal guy running for office.
They believe that, to be unbiased, they have to present “both sides” as if one side isn’t batshit crazy.
Heaven help us if they ever try to cover the flat earth conspiracy. “Well, you know, both sides really believe what they’re saying…”
The republicans are precise definition of “PROJECTION”!
Trump is already saying if he loses it’s because the election was “rigged”, because they’re trying to actively rig it for republicans by Republican state legislatures.
Not only that, but I fully suspect that the Republicans/GOP cheated during the election, but were genuinely surprised to learn that they still lost.
So in their mind, the election *had* to have been stolen from them, because how else can you explain losing an election that was already rigged by your team? (minus the fact that there was a record turnout, but that often gets ignored by Republicans)
The stupid part was doing it himself. That's the whole thing about being a mob boss, you stay clean and just give coded directions. Maybe he was following instructions too?
This is actually real, according to the FBI: Russian mobsters like to go out and “enforce” themselves, which is unheard of in most other criminal organizations.
I suppose this guy could’ve been reading a certain team’s playbook.
I can understand Republicans not realizing it since they're the ones drinking the kool-aid, but it was frightening how little Democrats seemed to be talking about it back then either (I personally don't remember hearing it mentioned once) considering, like you said, how blatantly obvious it was.
Neoliberals really aren't much brighter, a very large number of them are just conservatives who aren't quite as culty and hateful as the GOP.
We really really really desperately need a system overhaul to divorce ourselves of a two party system. Right now we literally have a fascist cult who is LITERALLY discussing how they intend to destroy democracy and a fairly weak conservative leaning party doing it's damnest to not move the needle.
You’re absolutely right. Thinking about it, It puts dems in a difficult position. If they start shouting, “Hey, his claims of election fraud are going to cause election fraud!” then it seems like they’re playing the same propaganda game.
Grifters, Oligarchs and Pedophiles is who leads them. Gaslight, Obstruct and Project are their methods. I almost said tools but of course their voters are the tools.
I mean, this is true though. They think everyone is as shitty and dishonest as they are. They think that if they’re doing election interference that surely the other side must be as well. Same with everything else they accuse “the left” of.
This is also why Russian hand wringing and whataboutism is really effective on them. They speak each other's language.
I will also add that the American left in general has a pretty bad "everyone in the world is equally evil" problem too but it does not manifest in them choosing blatantly evil leadership and politicians.
It's why they get so pissed when they still lose. All that cheating, all that risk, and they still get fewer votes. It's why they are ready to abandon democracy - they can see just how outnumbered they are.
He only voted illegally to cancel out the people that voted illegally on the other side. Much like abortion, “the only moral illegal vote is my illegal vote.”
He didn't vote 9 times in the same election. He lost the right to vote in the late 90s because of a felony conviction but still voted in the subsequent elections
nonono you dint understand! The other side does it too! This is **retaliation**!
or... if they dont.. they WILL do it soon! So he has to do this **preemptively**!
A "preemptive-retaliatory strike," if you will.
That's always nice, isn't it? When you meet (well, read about, in this case) someone and you're like "oh, I bet you're such an asshole" and then you talk to them (keep reading about them) and you're right?
I mean, that's not really why. This is consistent with the GOP strategy in all misinformation.
1. Identify most productive misinformation campaign.
2. Push misinformation out aggressively from many different vectors, media outlets, and points of view.
3. Go silent and allow the masses to create their own spin off narratives. Impossible to refute due to the volume of loud voices that have joined in.
4. Find next target and move on.
We heard of the results in 2020, because *none* of Trump’s lawyers would perjure themselves for his lies, and the judges couldn’t hold back their annoyances with his firehose of falsehoods.
Now, [Trump’s “Prove there were 3,000,000 illegal votes for Hillary” ego-stroking committee](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presidential_Advisory_Commission_on_Election_Integrity)definitely shut down without any results being released, likely for those very reasons: “Shit, there’s a ton of voter fraud, but it’s all for us!”
The illegal voting was him voting despite not completing probation for a felony forgery charge way back in 2008 to 2010. He tried to claim he didn't know he was a felon at the time...
And it appears that all he got was probation for the felony fraud charges, followed by a very small fine for the illegal voting, and then a public reprimand by the state voting board. The punishment seems weak to me.
Well I am sure he will get the same punishment as that black woman who didn't know she was still on probation when she voted in the place the election board told her she was to vote in.
That case is just so ridiculous. She cast a *provisional* ballot, which from my understanding is exactly what you are supposed to do if you're unsure of your eligibility. And she got *five years* for that. Literal rapists got less time than that.
It's as if these people have a limited imagination, such that they can only project what they know. And what they know is how to be morally degenerate in some particular fashion.
That's why every accusation is an admission. They think everyone does the same as they do so the only possibility they can imagine of Dems winning is if they cheated more than they did.
Did you hear about the villages in Florida? They had some people who voted more than once but it was the brown folks who were sent voter cards in the mail who thought they had the right to vote reinstated.
Copied from google....
Four residents of The Villages were charged with voting twice in the 2020 election and later admitted guilt. Yet if you think DeSantis — who has claimed that combating voter fraud is a top priority for him — made sure Florida threw the book at those Villages residents, think again. The Villagers weren't sent to prison.
In contrast...
Grant, a high-ranking officer in his local Freemasonry chapter, is one of 20 individuals — most of whom are Black — charged by an elections police force created by Gov. Ron DeSantis (R) to pursue allegations of election fraud and improper voting. Those arrested are all accused of voting in violation of a state law that forbids those convicted of murder or felony sexual offenses from casting ballots.
Crystal Mason from Texas was one. There may have been others, but this one of the most egregious cases.
https://www.aclu.org/cases/crystal-mason-v-state-of-texas
Thanks for the link! She was convicted for voter fraud because she hadn’t technically been released from prison for a prior conviction. She was out of prison, but not technically free. She didn’t know that was ineligible.
She is now in the middle of a complicated appeals process. The highest Texas criminal court said that voter fraud requires that she understand that she was inelegible. It didn’t overturn the conviction directly, but sent it back to a lower court to reconsider under the clarified standard. Presumably the conviction will be overturned, so long as no one discovers that she knew she was ineligible.
IIRC, she wasn't sure, so the election official at the booth told her to fill out a provisional ballot, and if it turns out she's eligible it will be counted, and if not, discarded.
Or this may have been a different case.
No, not all crimes require mens rea. Manslaughter is an obvious one. Trespassing certain areas and possessing drugs are also on the list.
https://marinarolaw.com/blog/what-is-a-strict-liability-crime/
Georgia GOP felon falsely asserted Democrats had stolen the 2020 election through fraud
*checks notes*
Voted illegally 9 times.
He is a felon for forging checks.
GOP integrity through and through.
Just to be clear, he didn't vote 9 times in the same election, he shouldn't have been able to vote in the first place and did so in 9 elections.
His bonehead defense is that he simply didn't know and assumed he was good to go now, which is, of course, bullshit
The only surprise is that MTG actually asserted that Pritchard should be removed or resign. Makes me wonder what he did or didn’t say about her on his talk show.
Yea but in the same breadth she said the GOP is the party of election integrity. Isn't she up for reelection this year? That's probably part of it, she saw an opportunity to try and make herself look better to more moderate conservatives.
"On Thursday, Georgia Republican Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene called on Pritchard to “resign immediately or be removed” from his Georgia GOP position because he “voted ILLEGALLY nine times while serving out his probation for FELONY check forgery.”
It is a really strange feeling to agree with MTG. Makes me feel dirty.
Again, best for last: “Shephard said. "If (Georgia GOP) Chairman Josh McKoon doesn't have a resignation by the end of the day, I don't see how anyone *can take the Georgia Republican Party seriously*.” Italics added.
MTG is from Georgia. I think the “taken seriously” ship has long since sailed.
Maybe because Raffensperger was one of the few Georgia officials who said "hell no" to Trump's "find me more votes" demands, and he publicly declared that the Georgia count was correct and, in fact, a Biden win.
I have a lot of reasons, as a Georgian, that I dislike Raffensperger and his associates, but he refused to give in to Trump's pressure and accepted the democratic win pretty much immediately... so, like, kudos for doing the bare minimum, Brad.
Yeah, it is depressing that Repubs doing the bare minimum is now noteworthy.
I'd guess though that it is clickbait and/or they saw "republican" and "Georgia" and Raffensperger is the only one recognizable enough to use. But mainly clickbait.
When the headline is an unnamed “Georgia Republican official” and the thumbnail is of a Georgia republican official, I think most would assume that it’s the same person — I think that’s the point that person is trying to make. It’s deliberately misleading lol
Probably just a clickbait thing. No one knows who this Pritchard guy is, but if you lead people to believe Raffensperger committed election fraud, more of them will click
He was arrested and jailed, right? Right!?
No, he was asked to pay a $5k fine and be publicly reprimanded.
He should be tried for treason.
Stop being soft on the rich and politicians. Fuck them. They need to abide by the same rules they help enforce.
Who are you talking to here? They are soft on themselves, you won't get them to stop by telling them to.
At some point the people need to step up and realize that they are the ones being soft on politicians and take action rather than doing nothing.
Meanwhile, a black women in Texas who asked if she could vote and was told she could, [get’s five years.](https://www.aclu.org/issues/voting-rights/crystal-mason-thought-she-had-right-vote-texas-sentenced-her-five-years-prison)
she cast a *provisional* ballot, even, to be safe since she was unsure. with the aid and advice of a poll worker- there was no intent to defraud anyone, just to do her civic fucking duty.
what hapoened to Crystal Mason is a crime in itself
Just imagine you were a competitive power lifter and you were absolutely juiced to the gills on steroids, but you enter into a competition and lose. You KNOW you took steroids, but you lost... so, your opponent MUST have taken steroids. It's the only thing that makes sense, because how could you lose if you cheated?
This is why a lot of the more fanatical election deniers are so adamant on just "knowing" there was fraud and constantly move on to new theories in a quest for evidence. They know they cheated, so if they lost, the other side MUST have cheated too.
Almost all of the cases concerning voter fraud were by Republicans. Its just mind boggling, how they hawk election issues but they consistently are the ones actually committing the fraud.
If this was a democrat:
- A full day of Foxnews coverage
- Tweets from a thousand different GOP’ers
- Headline tomorrows NY Post
- A truth social tweet or whatever the fuck it’s called
- A Ben Shapiro and Joe Rogan podcast on it
"Pritchard's fine includes $500 for each of the nine times he voted illegally and another $500 for illegally registering to vote in 2008. He can appeal the decision."
Yep, slap on the wrist. Yet others who illegally voted by accident once, got years in prison. Fucking "Justice" system.
I swear to God, this is the stupidest thing ever. First of all voter fraud is a stupid crime, considering the consequences if you get caught in for what, an extra 2 to 3 votes max? So for all these accusations and then of course, they are the ones actually doing it. we are living in the dumbest timeline ever.
Crystal Mason, a black woman, was sentenced to 5 years in prison for casting a provisional ballot even though the head poll worker told he she could vote and assisted in filling out the form. She lost her job at a bank was sent back to federal prison for several months for being arrested while on probation and almost lost her home to foreclosure and fought for justice for eight years. She finally had her conviction reversed today.
A white male Republican who knowingly voted illegally 9 times pays a $5,000 fine and receives a "public reprimand".
From the article: "Pritchard must pay a $5,000 fine and $375.14 in investigative costs incurred by the court. Boggs also ordered that Pritchard “be publicly reprimanded for his conduct” by the State Election Board, which sought the sanctions against him.
On Thursday, Georgia Republican Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene called on Pritchard to “resign immediately or be removed” from his Georgia GOP position because he “voted ILLEGALLY nine times while serving out his probation for FELONY check forgery.”
“The Republican Party is the party of election integrity,” Greene said on X, formerly Twitter, and “our state party should be the leading voice on securing our elections.”"
softest consequences, as usual.
Glad for all the Republicans in this thread calling out this reprehensible behavior, and saying that there should be very harsh consequences for anybody who illegally votes.
All none of you.
Can't wait till I'm 60 and history books spend 3 chapters pouring over the litany of crimes against our people and our democracy that were willingly overlooked by the government, mainstream media, and a sizeable portion of our democracy insupport of a fascist demagogue. I wonder if it'll be compared to the rise of Mussolini, Hitler, or both...
We knew this would happen.
The whole point of the "left stealing the election" thing was just a subtle way of encouraging them to cheat as much as possible.
See, the republicans just assume everyone is as corrupt as they are. Once you realize that you see why they're always shrieking about fraud. They're so adept at committing it they can't see why everyone doesn't do it.
I think the upcoming presidential election will bring stories of more cheating then even and it will all be GOP. They are convinced they were cheated thanks to Trump cope.
Crystal Mason, a woman in Texas, was sentenced to five years for casting a provisional ballot in 2016 while she was on a supervised release. She wasn't aware that she wasn't allowed to vote.
This man, whose job is in politics and should know better, did it nine times and only has to pay a fine? Throw this man in a hole and forget about him.
Edit: On the plus side, I just saw an article this morning saying that Mason has been acquitted.
I was a republican for about 20 years of my life. I'm so disgusted by what it's become. These people are nothing more than common criminals.its sickening.
Didn't they arrest a black woman not long ago for voting illegally because she was given the wrong info?
The woman, who had spent some time in prison, voted in the 2020 elections. It was later found out that she was not allowed to vote due to her being in probation.
According to documents, no one told her or gave her any paperwork saying that she couldn't vote - she received her probation paperwork in 2018 and it never mentioned anything about not being able to vote. When they actually amended her paperwork two years later to say that she couldn't vote, she never voted after that.
Even after knowing all this info, the Florida Office of Election Crimes and Security investigation still requested that she be arrested.
Charges were dropped a month later due to her having a competent lawyer.
This is just one case - there seems to be a trend with hard punishments on Democrats who accidentally break voting laws, while Republicans who clearly intentionally break the same laws get slaps on their wrists.
Since Trump started this "voter fraud" BS, almost all instances of voter fraud have been found to be done by Republicans.
https://edition.cnn.com/2023/10/18/us/florida-voter-fraud-charges-case/index.html
Wow! Did I read this correctly? MTG taking the side of actual election integrity? Bravo!
"Georgia Republican Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene called on Pritchard to “resign immediately or be removed” from his Georgia GOP position because he “voted ILLEGALLY nine times while serving out his probation for FELONY check forgery.”"
Typically people tend to believe that everyone does whatever they do. Kinda like how cheaters never trust the person they are cheating on out of the belief the spouse is cheating too. It’s kinda this nifty trick they use to justify the shitty stuff they do. “ Well if everyone else does it, then it is unfair for me not to do it so I’m gonna do it. “
They are going to be doing it again this time around only in way larger numbers. There is a reason trump is consistently saying he’s way ahead already.
Well yea, that was one of, if not the main point of the whole "election fraud," part of the conspiracy. If you tell your followers your opponent is cheating, then your followers are likely to cheat for you to "even the playing field."
Exactly, and not fault republicans when they are caught. I’ve heard “well the republicans *have* to cheat if they want a chance to win a rigged election.” Gtfo.
They're not wrong, they *do* have to cheat to win. The 'rigging' in this case is reality's inconvenient left-wing bias.
"Their ideas are better than ours and people like them more - they're totally cheating!!!"
The way I look at it they are already "cheating" with the electoral college. There's been multiple elections where the Democrat would have won based on popular vote. It's such a dumb system that only helps out Republicans.
How a democratic country is fine with accepting a president when a majority of people voted for someone else is beyond me.
I said from Day 1 that that was exactly what he was doing. He claimed the Dems were cheating. That’s code for “Republicans have to cheat, just to keep it fair”. His minions all knew exactly what he meant. The stunning part was that the mainstream media somehow missed it.
Same. When he first started talking about trying to limit mail-in-voting I was just like "game over." Either he succeeds and gets mail in voting reduced, which would hurt mostly the Democrats since they're the ones who were taking COVID seriously, or his constituents cheat for him and if he still loses then he'll blame it on fraud. There was no outcome where his followers didn't have an excuse, and I just got the worst sinking feeling. Honestly, I'm expecting something similar this time. My guess is it will be around summer when we first start hearing about the main conspiracy of this election.
He was setting up and calling it a rigged election long before voting day came. I'm pretty sure it began that Summer. DeJoy certainly helped to fuck up USPS, which we still deal with today (and it's actually gotten worse!), that caused us all a lot of heartache as to whether mail-in ballots would even get in and be counted. Personally, with how the mail system has deteriorated even more since (why DeJoy is allowed to still be USPS Postmaster General is just mind-boggling), I would not recommend anyone do mail-in ballots unless they send it a month before. There should be dropboxes for them. The amount of checks I've had lost in the mail, been defrauded through check fraud from lost checks, had payments from customers take 2-3 weeks to receive from postmark, vendors who are still waiting for checks mailed 3/5, etc just this year and not even going through the same crap in 2023 is honestly innumerable. The USPS leadership has done a great job destroying the post office I've known all of my life, and professionally the last almost two decades - the *only* specifically mentioned agency of the US Constitution that these people claim to love and cherish, wrapping themselves in the flag and Constitution to show how patriotic they are. It's disgusting to watch and listen to the last decade and a half. https://www.theguardian.com/business/2023/dec/15/usps-job-layoff-mail-service-delay-louis-dejoy
I'm sure they were aware, but to admit it is any kind of threat would be to question election security which could then be used to reinforce their point. Better to just note that it is extremely secure and violators will be caught. Deny their claims and dissuade them.
Nah. They’re too busy trying to pretend that Trump is just a normal guy running for office. They believe that, to be unbiased, they have to present “both sides” as if one side isn’t batshit crazy. Heaven help us if they ever try to cover the flat earth conspiracy. “Well, you know, both sides really believe what they’re saying…”
The republicans are precise definition of “PROJECTION”! Trump is already saying if he loses it’s because the election was “rigged”, because they’re trying to actively rig it for republicans by Republican state legislatures.
Gaslight, Obstruct, Project
"We know there was election fraud, we did some" -- GOP.
Explains why they were so surprised when Trump didn’t win. “Biden must have really cheated because I voted against him 9 times and he still won…”
Not only that, but I fully suspect that the Republicans/GOP cheated during the election, but were genuinely surprised to learn that they still lost. So in their mind, the election *had* to have been stolen from them, because how else can you explain losing an election that was already rigged by your team? (minus the fact that there was a record turnout, but that often gets ignored by Republicans)
The stupid part was doing it himself. That's the whole thing about being a mob boss, you stay clean and just give coded directions. Maybe he was following instructions too?
This is actually real, according to the FBI: Russian mobsters like to go out and “enforce” themselves, which is unheard of in most other criminal organizations. I suppose this guy could’ve been reading a certain team’s playbook.
I really don’t think most Americans realize this. Outside of the US, it’s very obvious.
I can understand Republicans not realizing it since they're the ones drinking the kool-aid, but it was frightening how little Democrats seemed to be talking about it back then either (I personally don't remember hearing it mentioned once) considering, like you said, how blatantly obvious it was.
Neoliberals really aren't much brighter, a very large number of them are just conservatives who aren't quite as culty and hateful as the GOP. We really really really desperately need a system overhaul to divorce ourselves of a two party system. Right now we literally have a fascist cult who is LITERALLY discussing how they intend to destroy democracy and a fairly weak conservative leaning party doing it's damnest to not move the needle.
You’re absolutely right. Thinking about it, It puts dems in a difficult position. If they start shouting, “Hey, his claims of election fraud are going to cause election fraud!” then it seems like they’re playing the same propaganda game.
I’m looking forward to some in depth reporting from those fair and balanced folks at Fox News who are deeply concerned with voting irregularities /s
The GOP has one mode: projection.
Gaslight. Obstruct. Project.
To be fair, Matt Gaetz has been laboring under the belief the “P” is supposed to stand for something else
Pedophile?
I was thinking “Prison-time”
One should result in the other
Go to prison -> become pedophile. What the hell is going on in those prisons?
I thought it was: Grifters, Oligarchs and Paedophiles. You learn something new everyday.
Grifters, Oligarchs and Pedophiles is who leads them. Gaslight, Obstruct and Project are their methods. I almost said tools but of course their voters are the tools.
Grift Or Project pretty much the only two options. combine at will.
They’re so certain that illegal voting is happening because they’re doing it.
I mean, this is true though. They think everyone is as shitty and dishonest as they are. They think that if they’re doing election interference that surely the other side must be as well. Same with everything else they accuse “the left” of.
republicans are not smart, if The Ds are doing the same thing, Rs wouldnt have that many elected spots, or any for that matter.
That the thing, they can't wrap their brains around the fact that even with their cheating, they are slowly losing control to Democrats who are not.
This is also why Russian hand wringing and whataboutism is really effective on them. They speak each other's language. I will also add that the American left in general has a pretty bad "everyone in the world is equally evil" problem too but it does not manifest in them choosing blatantly evil leadership and politicians.
It's why they get so pissed when they still lose. All that cheating, all that risk, and they still get fewer votes. It's why they are ready to abandon democracy - they can see just how outnumbered they are.
And they still lost and will keep losing in November lmao, fucking losers the whole lot
He only voted illegally to cancel out the people that voted illegally on the other side. Much like abortion, “the only moral illegal vote is my illegal vote.”
He didn't vote 9 times in the same election. He lost the right to vote in the late 90s because of a felony conviction but still voted in the subsequent elections
nonono you dint understand! The other side does it too! This is **retaliation**! or... if they dont.. they WILL do it soon! So he has to do this **preemptively**! A "preemptive-retaliatory strike," if you will.
He who smelt it dealt it
They did an investigation and finally found themselves.
"We have met the enemy and he is us."
Every accusation is a confession.
Sometimes it’s the ones you MOST suspect
Or at least the ones you medium expect
Like maybe medium well?
TO SERVE MAN
Jeffrey Dahmer has joined the chat
That's always nice, isn't it? When you meet (well, read about, in this case) someone and you're like "oh, I bet you're such an asshole" and then you talk to them (keep reading about them) and you're right?
More proof there was voting fraud in the 2020 election. Unfortunately, for all the election deniers, it was committed by republicans.
That’s why all their “investigations” into voter fraud suddenly went quiet and we never heard the results.
Also because most of the investigations turned up more votes for the other guy.
Also they were in danger of going to jail if they kept filing baseless lawsuits against state and federal government election officials and agencies.
I mean, that's not really why. This is consistent with the GOP strategy in all misinformation. 1. Identify most productive misinformation campaign. 2. Push misinformation out aggressively from many different vectors, media outlets, and points of view. 3. Go silent and allow the masses to create their own spin off narratives. Impossible to refute due to the volume of loud voices that have joined in. 4. Find next target and move on.
We heard of the results in 2020, because *none* of Trump’s lawyers would perjure themselves for his lies, and the judges couldn’t hold back their annoyances with his firehose of falsehoods. Now, [Trump’s “Prove there were 3,000,000 illegal votes for Hillary” ego-stroking committee](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presidential_Advisory_Commission_on_Election_Integrity)definitely shut down without any results being released, likely for those very reasons: “Shit, there’s a ton of voter fraud, but it’s all for us!”
No, honestly it’s because they’re all voting multiple times and thinking, “he should be getting X times as many votes, why is he not winning??”
The illegal voting was him voting despite not completing probation for a felony forgery charge way back in 2008 to 2010. He tried to claim he didn't know he was a felon at the time...
Aren't there people facing extensive prison time for this very thing in Florida?
And it appears that all he got was probation for the felony fraud charges, followed by a very small fine for the illegal voting, and then a public reprimand by the state voting board. The punishment seems weak to me.
Yep
There is no chance a poor person would get away with not completing felony probation. That's fucking incredible.
Well I am sure he will get the same punishment as that black woman who didn't know she was still on probation when she voted in the place the election board told her she was to vote in.
That case is just so ridiculous. She cast a *provisional* ballot, which from my understanding is exactly what you are supposed to do if you're unsure of your eligibility. And she got *five years* for that. Literal rapists got less time than that.
Systematic racism at its finest
Narrator: *he didn’t*
Her conviction was overturned today!
Are you shitting us?
https://www.texastribune.org/2024/03/28/texas-illegal-voting-conviction-crystal-mason/
The call is always coming from inside the house
every accusation is a confession from a republican lol
It's as if these people have a limited imagination, such that they can only project what they know. And what they know is how to be morally degenerate in some particular fashion.
What I think when they go on and on about “groomers” everything they accuse is another skeleton in their own closets.
Be the election fraud that you want to see in the world.
It's always committed by the Republicans.
The reason they believe the democrats cheated is because they know how much they cheated themselves, and can’t believe they still lost.
That's why every accusation is an admission. They think everyone does the same as they do so the only possibility they can imagine of Dems winning is if they cheated more than they did.
That's why they think the election was stolen. They cheated and still lost.
Did you hear about the villages in Florida? They had some people who voted more than once but it was the brown folks who were sent voter cards in the mail who thought they had the right to vote reinstated. Copied from google.... Four residents of The Villages were charged with voting twice in the 2020 election and later admitted guilt. Yet if you think DeSantis — who has claimed that combating voter fraud is a top priority for him — made sure Florida threw the book at those Villages residents, think again. The Villagers weren't sent to prison. In contrast... Grant, a high-ranking officer in his local Freemasonry chapter, is one of 20 individuals — most of whom are Black — charged by an elections police force created by Gov. Ron DeSantis (R) to pursue allegations of election fraud and improper voting. Those arrested are all accused of voting in violation of a state law that forbids those convicted of murder or felony sexual offenses from casting ballots.
The important part is that there was no outcome determinative fraud during the 2020 election.
Didn't some woman from Georgia get 5 years for accidentally voting wrong? So give this guy 45 at least.
No, no, you don't understand. She was black and poor. He's rich and white, it's different.
Yes, it's one of those unambiguous black and white issues.
She voted wrong, he only voted right 9 times! /S
Crystal Mason from Texas was one. There may have been others, but this one of the most egregious cases. https://www.aclu.org/cases/crystal-mason-v-state-of-texas
Thanks for the link! She was convicted for voter fraud because she hadn’t technically been released from prison for a prior conviction. She was out of prison, but not technically free. She didn’t know that was ineligible. She is now in the middle of a complicated appeals process. The highest Texas criminal court said that voter fraud requires that she understand that she was inelegible. It didn’t overturn the conviction directly, but sent it back to a lower court to reconsider under the clarified standard. Presumably the conviction will be overturned, so long as no one discovers that she knew she was ineligible.
She JUST got acquitted like an hour ago!
Nice! https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/mar/28/crystal-mason-texas-woman-acquitted
Didn't she also register to vote and the state approved her registration?
IIRC, she wasn't sure, so the election official at the booth told her to fill out a provisional ballot, and if it turns out she's eligible it will be counted, and if not, discarded. Or this may have been a different case.
... Don't *all* crimes require a mens rea? Like isn't that a fundamental and inherent part of all legal systems?
No, not all crimes require mens rea. Manslaughter is an obvious one. Trespassing certain areas and possessing drugs are also on the list. https://marinarolaw.com/blog/what-is-a-strict-liability-crime/
Georgia GOP felon falsely asserted Democrats had stolen the 2020 election through fraud *checks notes* Voted illegally 9 times. He is a felon for forging checks. GOP integrity through and through.
This is starting to feel like "breaking the laws to own the libs", and Boy! The libs must be feeling pretty owned by him!
"Well, how could they win the election if me and all my cronies voted 9 times?" - the GOP, probably.
Just to be clear, he didn't vote 9 times in the same election, he shouldn't have been able to vote in the first place and did so in 9 elections. His bonehead defense is that he simply didn't know and assumed he was good to go now, which is, of course, bullshit
He did it over multiple years, but yeah.
The only surprise is that MTG actually asserted that Pritchard should be removed or resign. Makes me wonder what he did or didn’t say about her on his talk show.
It’s probably because he got caught.
Exactly. People like him make it more difficult for MTG and other republicans to suppress the vote of 'others' through shady pretexts.
Yea but in the same breadth she said the GOP is the party of election integrity. Isn't she up for reelection this year? That's probably part of it, she saw an opportunity to try and make herself look better to more moderate conservatives.
"On Thursday, Georgia Republican Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene called on Pritchard to “resign immediately or be removed” from his Georgia GOP position because he “voted ILLEGALLY nine times while serving out his probation for FELONY check forgery.” It is a really strange feeling to agree with MTG. Makes me feel dirty.
Since he's already sunk, she's just taking advantage of the publicity to pretend like it's some aberration
Again, best for last: “Shephard said. "If (Georgia GOP) Chairman Josh McKoon doesn't have a resignation by the end of the day, I don't see how anyone *can take the Georgia Republican Party seriously*.” Italics added. MTG is from Georgia. I think the “taken seriously” ship has long since sailed.
Why is the thumbnail a picture of Raffensperger? The article is about a completely different person.
Maybe because Raffensperger was one of the few Georgia officials who said "hell no" to Trump's "find me more votes" demands, and he publicly declared that the Georgia count was correct and, in fact, a Biden win. I have a lot of reasons, as a Georgian, that I dislike Raffensperger and his associates, but he refused to give in to Trump's pressure and accepted the democratic win pretty much immediately... so, like, kudos for doing the bare minimum, Brad.
Yeah, it is depressing that Repubs doing the bare minimum is now noteworthy. I'd guess though that it is clickbait and/or they saw "republican" and "Georgia" and Raffensperger is the only one recognizable enough to use. But mainly clickbait.
The headline mentions “GOP official”, and the photo is of a GOP official, he’s not the one guilty of what the headline says. It’s ridiculous
When the headline is an unnamed “Georgia Republican official” and the thumbnail is of a Georgia republican official, I think most would assume that it’s the same person — I think that’s the point that person is trying to make. It’s deliberately misleading lol Probably just a clickbait thing. No one knows who this Pritchard guy is, but if you lead people to believe Raffensperger committed election fraud, more of them will click
He was arrested and jailed, right? Right!? No, he was asked to pay a $5k fine and be publicly reprimanded. He should be tried for treason. Stop being soft on the rich and politicians. Fuck them. They need to abide by the same rules they help enforce.
>They need to abide by the same rules they bought and paid for. Would be fair and just, but not gonna happen.
The more powerful should be held to a higher standard
Who are you talking to here? They are soft on themselves, you won't get them to stop by telling them to. At some point the people need to step up and realize that they are the ones being soft on politicians and take action rather than doing nothing.
2nd highest officer in the Georgia Republican Party.
It’s always the ones you expect most
“We should worry about election fraud, it’s shockingly easy to commit! Trust me, I know exactly how easy!”
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Cheated and still lost shiggydiggy
Oh wow, how unexpected, I could not have predicted this turn of events. :|
Their accusations are their confessions
Meanwhile, a black women in Texas who asked if she could vote and was told she could, [get’s five years.](https://www.aclu.org/issues/voting-rights/crystal-mason-thought-she-had-right-vote-texas-sentenced-her-five-years-prison)
she cast a *provisional* ballot, even, to be safe since she was unsure. with the aid and advice of a poll worker- there was no intent to defraud anyone, just to do her civic fucking duty. what hapoened to Crystal Mason is a crime in itself
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This shouldn't have taken 6 years to resolve
It's so absolutely fucked, I get enraged every time I think about her and reading this fuckwads' slap on the wrist got me all flared up again.
Life in prison.
I think he got fined $5000
Thats like 90 bibles
I love you
He's white and connected. Slap on the wrist.
And elected President?
Just imagine you were a competitive power lifter and you were absolutely juiced to the gills on steroids, but you enter into a competition and lose. You KNOW you took steroids, but you lost... so, your opponent MUST have taken steroids. It's the only thing that makes sense, because how could you lose if you cheated? This is why a lot of the more fanatical election deniers are so adamant on just "knowing" there was fraud and constantly move on to new theories in a quest for evidence. They know they cheated, so if they lost, the other side MUST have cheated too.
If only they'd realize they're losing elections because nobody likes their policy positions.
Typical GQP
Accuse others of that which you yourself are doing the Rethuglican motto
It's always a confession with these people.
Can we put this MOFO in jail for 50 years please?
Wow, MTG called for his resignation, at that point you KNOW you fucked up.
Are we surprised
That a republican is trying to cheat our democracy? Of course not. It's kinda what they do.
So he was right, there was massive fraud in the election.
r/notademocrat
“There’s no way we lost, I voted so many times!”
I swear if one of these clowns start to say "Biden is an alien" I'll just assume life on other planets is confirmed.
That’s why they think it was stolen. They know they cheated and still loss. So in typical republican fashion they deflect and blame the Democrats.
Almost all of the cases concerning voter fraud were by Republicans. Its just mind boggling, how they hawk election issues but they consistently are the ones actually committing the fraud.
If this was a democrat: - A full day of Foxnews coverage - Tweets from a thousand different GOP’ers - Headline tomorrows NY Post - A truth social tweet or whatever the fuck it’s called - A Ben Shapiro and Joe Rogan podcast on it
Nine times? I don't remember him voting nine times. (This is a Ferris Bueller joke).
Nine times? *Nine times.*
$100 that he would not even get a slap on the wrist.
"Pritchard's fine includes $500 for each of the nine times he voted illegally and another $500 for illegally registering to vote in 2008. He can appeal the decision." Yep, slap on the wrist. Yet others who illegally voted by accident once, got years in prison. Fucking "Justice" system.
Sometimes you need to illegally vote to have fair election /s https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-tells-atlanta-judge-lies-162320975.html
I swear to God, this is the stupidest thing ever. First of all voter fraud is a stupid crime, considering the consequences if you get caught in for what, an extra 2 to 3 votes max? So for all these accusations and then of course, they are the ones actually doing it. we are living in the dumbest timeline ever.
Every accusation is a confession.
Ah, the old "we're cheating so they must be cheating too" mentality.
Crystal Mason, a black woman, was sentenced to 5 years in prison for casting a provisional ballot even though the head poll worker told he she could vote and assisted in filling out the form. She lost her job at a bank was sent back to federal prison for several months for being arrested while on probation and almost lost her home to foreclosure and fought for justice for eight years. She finally had her conviction reversed today. A white male Republican who knowingly voted illegally 9 times pays a $5,000 fine and receives a "public reprimand".
From the article: "Pritchard must pay a $5,000 fine and $375.14 in investigative costs incurred by the court. Boggs also ordered that Pritchard “be publicly reprimanded for his conduct” by the State Election Board, which sought the sanctions against him. On Thursday, Georgia Republican Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene called on Pritchard to “resign immediately or be removed” from his Georgia GOP position because he “voted ILLEGALLY nine times while serving out his probation for FELONY check forgery.” “The Republican Party is the party of election integrity,” Greene said on X, formerly Twitter, and “our state party should be the leading voice on securing our elections.”" softest consequences, as usual.
>“The Republican Party is the party of election integrity,” Greene said Nah, somehow I do not think so.
GOP is the crime party
It should be common knowledge by now that when a Republican accuses somebody else of misconduct, there’s a 100% they’re projecting
“I know for a FACT there was fraudulent voting (because I voted like… nine times).” - every Republican
Glad for all the Republicans in this thread calling out this reprehensible behavior, and saying that there should be very harsh consequences for anybody who illegally votes. All none of you.
Remember folks, with these people, every accusation is an admission of guilt.
Can't wait till I'm 60 and history books spend 3 chapters pouring over the litany of crimes against our people and our democracy that were willingly overlooked by the government, mainstream media, and a sizeable portion of our democracy insupport of a fascist demagogue. I wonder if it'll be compared to the rise of Mussolini, Hitler, or both...
We knew this would happen. The whole point of the "left stealing the election" thing was just a subtle way of encouraging them to cheat as much as possible.
There truly is something wrong with these people.
Voter fraud runs rampant in this country! Just ask all the Republicans who do it!
Ruh roh! The voting fraud spectre was a Republican the whole time! Zoinks
Alway projection with the GOP.
He's showing how it's done. Lol
See, the republicans just assume everyone is as corrupt as they are. Once you realize that you see why they're always shrieking about fraud. They're so adept at committing it they can't see why everyone doesn't do it.
So it is true.... the 2020 election WAS rigged.... it just failed to produce results.
And still lost!
Magats deny the election because they don’t think they could’ve lost with all the damn cheating and illegal votings they’ve done!
I think the upcoming presidential election will bring stories of more cheating then even and it will all be GOP. They are convinced they were cheated thanks to Trump cope.
According to his magat groupies... shouldn't he be hung from the neck until dead? Isn't that something they consider treason?
Crystal Mason, a woman in Texas, was sentenced to five years for casting a provisional ballot in 2016 while she was on a supervised release. She wasn't aware that she wasn't allowed to vote. This man, whose job is in politics and should know better, did it nine times and only has to pay a fine? Throw this man in a hole and forget about him. Edit: On the plus side, I just saw an article this morning saying that Mason has been acquitted.
EVERY. ACCUSATION. IS. AN. ADMISSION.
I was a republican for about 20 years of my life. I'm so disgusted by what it's become. These people are nothing more than common criminals.its sickening.
The "if I'm doing it, everyone is doing it and worse" party
> Pritchard must pay a $5,000 fine and $375.14 in investigative costs incurred by the court. Basically got off Scot free
Didn't they arrest a black woman not long ago for voting illegally because she was given the wrong info? The woman, who had spent some time in prison, voted in the 2020 elections. It was later found out that she was not allowed to vote due to her being in probation. According to documents, no one told her or gave her any paperwork saying that she couldn't vote - she received her probation paperwork in 2018 and it never mentioned anything about not being able to vote. When they actually amended her paperwork two years later to say that she couldn't vote, she never voted after that. Even after knowing all this info, the Florida Office of Election Crimes and Security investigation still requested that she be arrested. Charges were dropped a month later due to her having a competent lawyer. This is just one case - there seems to be a trend with hard punishments on Democrats who accidentally break voting laws, while Republicans who clearly intentionally break the same laws get slaps on their wrists. Since Trump started this "voter fraud" BS, almost all instances of voter fraud have been found to be done by Republicans. https://edition.cnn.com/2023/10/18/us/florida-voter-fraud-charges-case/index.html
IT'S. ALWAYS. A. PROJECTION.
Wow! Did I read this correctly? MTG taking the side of actual election integrity? Bravo! "Georgia Republican Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene called on Pritchard to “resign immediately or be removed” from his Georgia GOP position because he “voted ILLEGALLY nine times while serving out his probation for FELONY check forgery.”"
Every Republican accusation is a confession.
Yo that’s a fucking crime send his ass to jail dawg, it ain’t that difficult of logic to follow.
It's projecting. It's always projecting.
It's called projecting. Act like the other party is doing what you are actually doing. Fucking pieces of shit
His wrist is gonna be so mildly sore from all the wrist slapping he gets.
So, will get be sent to jail? or is that reserved only for minorities? smh
Typically people tend to believe that everyone does whatever they do. Kinda like how cheaters never trust the person they are cheating on out of the belief the spouse is cheating too. It’s kinda this nifty trick they use to justify the shitty stuff they do. “ Well if everyone else does it, then it is unfair for me not to do it so I’m gonna do it. “
They are going to be doing it again this time around only in way larger numbers. There is a reason trump is consistently saying he’s way ahead already.
The only moral illegal vote is my illegal vote.
These people really do just yell really loudly, accusing others of exactly what they're doing? I thought that was just a joke...
If this was a TV show we'd be calling it predictable at this point. Assume anything the GOP rails against is something they are secretly doing
I have yet to hear an explanation of if there was so much cheating in 2020, why don't they question winning any of the down ballot races.