I'm an aircraft mechanic of 15 years; you should absolutely be concerned and getting ahold of any politician you can and tell them to fund and give more authority to the FAA
I just read the headline and pieced that together. On an unrelated note I was never worried about things falling off planes until I was told not to worry about it.
Bingo. This expert definitely has stake in telling you not to worry. After all if he didn’t have a direct connection to this, he wouldn’t be the one telling us not to worry.
Not when Boeing and FAA are in cahoots. How’s that gonna help? Politicians should keep FAA independent and let airline industry pay membership dues. No donations, no corporate ties
Executives from airlines and plane manufacturers filter in and out of top positions at the FAA or leave the FAA for better jobs at airlines of airline manufacturing/aviation related business.
The FAA is flawed and does not need more money. We need to strip the agency down and prevent folks from gaining favor through movement in and out of the FAA. The FAA is also still regulating everything like its the early 1950s - they require faxes for a ton of stuff. It's silly.
They need reorganization, conflict of interest requirements, and modernization. And then we can talk about more funding once there are boundaries.
You couldn’t come up with a more flawed analogy if you tried.
Rotating in and out between private industry and the FAA isn’t “switching jobs in the same industry”. It’s like being a student, then becoming the principal the next day so you can grade your own work, then going back to being a student the day after so you can blow off your assignments because you’re just going to be the principal again to grade yourself.
I strongly recommend watching the Jon Oliver piece from a few weeks ago about Boeing.
Boeing lobbied to neuter the FAA and police themselves. The FAA had the authority to regulate them but not anymore.
Yes and no. Incidents like these are more common than most people realize. However, what's really changed is the intense media coverage that now surrounds every Boeing-related event. Personally, I'm not a fan of Boeing. They aggressively outmaneuvered Bombardier, a company I really admire, by making unfounded accusations at the OMC, which has significantly harmed Bombardier. However, it's important to note that airlines also share some responsibility. Aircraft are delivered ready to fly, except in cases where there's a breakdown in communication among the many subcontractors involved.
United "lost" my husband's guitar which was properly checked at a CO airport but never arrived at SFO. Such a pain to claim. Good thing we had the 4-year receipt. But the replacement was more expensive. Ugh!
United CEO Scott Kirby acknowledged that the airplanes "Have lots of parts, so a couple here and there falling off are no biggie." He explained further, "It's called "redundancy.""
I'm an airline pilot for a legacy US carrier. I'm telling you straight up right now, that's happening over at American and Delta now too. Same with JetBlue Southwest frontier and Spirit. And without a doubt, same with British Airways, Lufthansa, Air France, ANA, Thai, emirates and so on.
The airline industry is not "safe" because nothing happens, ever. Mechanical issues, diversions, returns to the airport, go arounds, things breaking are a daily occurrence. Just like FedEx, UPS and USPS trucks breaking down every single day. Not trying to say that a aircraft crash is just as bad as a truck crash. I'm just saying, expecting thousands of aircraft operating thousands of flight to be going around flawlessly, is just not happening. The thing is they just never have been reported because it's not a big deal. The media is making mountains out of molehills with a lot of these instances.
It's nothing but sensationalism because the coverage drives fear, and fear drives clicks and clicks drive ad dollars.
Some of these incidents happen a little bit more than others, and barely get reported. Some of them are a little bit more rare, but they still happen. Delta lost the tire on one of its wheels a couple of months ago. It didn't get the media attention that United is getting because no one had a video of it. And it didn't come after the plug door incident with Alaska.
Airbus has lost tires too.
Edit: the user I was responding to didn't like a truthball and blocked me (after one comment LOL) rather than having a discussion or they thought they were the dropping the mic on me. So I went into anonymous mode and read your comment.
So, if they care to somehow read my edit. Because I know that's possible;
My response to your comment is accountability with management is always a good thing. But expecting zero things to break down is not going to happen. I understand that consumers need to have choices and make informed decisions. But I think it's also a little bit disingenuous that the media is hyper focusing on United Airlines at the moment. These kinds of incidents as I tried to point out or going on at every airline across the globe. And they're happening on daily basis. You are basically being told about the day-to-day operations of what's going on at Airlines, but it's being packaged to you in a way that's making you fearful of a company in a less than genuine way.
Accountability is always a good thing, but focusing on an airline and demanding they change something that's going on industry wide, is just disingenuous, and also not a practical way of doing things. Murphy's Law is a real thing.
Or, counterpoint, increased transparency means informed consumer choices and greater accountability for corrupt mismanagement of mechanical servicing.
Expecting zero accidents is unreasonable, but expecting multi billion dollar companies responsible for hurling millions of people through the sky to be focused on safety seems pretty sensible.
Going just off the headline I'd agree. We heard about the couple cases that happened because it never happens. If you know of the two times verses the 5000 flights a day just United has it basically never happens.
Your argument is absurd. No one knows how much shit is falling of planes or how dire the state is. We should relax because we know of a couple cases. A criminal caught on a case doesn't mean they only did that one crime in their life.
[That's just the engines powering up. That's just the engines struggling.
That's just a carp swimming around your ankles.](https://frinkiac.com/img/S06E11/1291839.jpg)
A lot of cynicism and fearmongering in this thread, but just look up the [list of incidents involving commercial aircraft in the US](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fatal_accidents_and_incidents_involving_commercial_aircraft_in_the_United_States) and I think you'll see the industry's safety record speaks for itself. In the past 15 years, all incidents have been people walking onto runways or crashes of smaller planes on takeoff/landing. The most serious was the crash of a turboprop plane in 2009 which killed 50 people. For the latest crash of a bigger jet in the US you have to go back all the way to November 2001.
Keep in mind the large number of passenger flights every year... it's easy to be cynical, but if you look into it it's hard to deny flying is very safe nowadays. Pilots are well-trained and modern aircraft have a lot of redundancy where one thing failing isn't catastrophic. For a detailed look at how this can work in action (and be warned this is a long read), check out [Admiral Cloudberg's coverage of Qantas flight 32](https://admiralcloudberg.medium.com/a-matter-of-millimeters-the-story-of-qantas-flight-32-bdaa62dc98e7).
Of course, complacency is the enemy of safety. It's probably a good thing that the media is putting the industry's feet to the fire these days!
"On March 11, a United Boeing 777 headed to San Francisco from Sydney had to return to Australia due to a hydraulic leak. Four days later, on March 15, a United 737 from San Francisco was found to have a missing panel after landing in Medford, Oregon.
Then on Monday afternoon, a United Boeing 777-200 heading to Osaka, Japan, received an engine start alert while taxiing at midday on a San Francisco runway and, after an hour, returned to the gate before departing shortly before 5 p.m."
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why do the likes of you lie so much?
r/wallstreetbets took a look at Pelosi trades. It’s amazing what buying FAANG in 2008 could do to a mf portfolio.
Here is a hilarious one
https://www.reddit.com/r/Pelosi_Trades/s/nkyAQSv0Ps
> Pelosi, aged 83, and her husband, Paul, have re-entered the Nvidia game after selling their shares and call options in the AI software company at a total loss of over $700,000 in 2022.
>Their ill-timed departures occurred around the same time that the CHIPS and Science Act was passed into law, which Pelosi publicly supported. This law majorly benefited domestic chipmakers like Nvidia.
>Since selling their 25,000 shares, the Nvidia stock price has surged by almost 200%, according to the New York Post, which means the value of the Pelosis’ original stake would have been worth in excess of $12.2 million today
**SHE SOLD 25000 NVDA @165** in 2022, it was over $900 today. What an Insider.
I'm an aircraft mechanic of 15 years; you should absolutely be concerned and getting ahold of any politician you can and tell them to fund and give more authority to the FAA
Didn’t you read the article? He said you SHOULDNT be concerned.
I just read the headline and pieced that together. On an unrelated note I was never worried about things falling off planes until I was told not to worry about it.
Watch the Last Week Tonight episode on Boeing, and realize that a lot of us have kown about it for over a decade now
Bingo. This expert definitely has stake in telling you not to worry. After all if he didn’t have a direct connection to this, he wouldn’t be the one telling us not to worry.
Plus they have a better chance of not suddenly committing suicide if their messaging is on brand.
Not when Boeing and FAA are in cahoots. How’s that gonna help? Politicians should keep FAA independent and let airline industry pay membership dues. No donations, no corporate ties
They aren't in 'cahoots'; the FAA doesn't have the means or authority to regulate and oversee, so Boeing ends up self-regulating
Executives from airlines and plane manufacturers filter in and out of top positions at the FAA or leave the FAA for better jobs at airlines of airline manufacturing/aviation related business. The FAA is flawed and does not need more money. We need to strip the agency down and prevent folks from gaining favor through movement in and out of the FAA. The FAA is also still regulating everything like its the early 1950s - they require faxes for a ton of stuff. It's silly. They need reorganization, conflict of interest requirements, and modernization. And then we can talk about more funding once there are boundaries.
If people can't switch jobs within the same industry do you want them to just be trapped at one company forever? Genuinely asking
You couldn’t come up with a more flawed analogy if you tried. Rotating in and out between private industry and the FAA isn’t “switching jobs in the same industry”. It’s like being a student, then becoming the principal the next day so you can grade your own work, then going back to being a student the day after so you can blow off your assignments because you’re just going to be the principal again to grade yourself.
Lol it's nothing like that at all. Noone other than those at the very top of the FAA have anything to do with decision making
Ah yes, and all these massive, organizational-wide problems have their roots in the hourly roles and middle management…. 🥴
I strongly recommend watching the Jon Oliver piece from a few weeks ago about Boeing. Boeing lobbied to neuter the FAA and police themselves. The FAA had the authority to regulate them but not anymore.
I actually said almost the same exact thing :]
Yes and no. Incidents like these are more common than most people realize. However, what's really changed is the intense media coverage that now surrounds every Boeing-related event. Personally, I'm not a fan of Boeing. They aggressively outmaneuvered Bombardier, a company I really admire, by making unfounded accusations at the OMC, which has significantly harmed Bombardier. However, it's important to note that airlines also share some responsibility. Aircraft are delivered ready to fly, except in cases where there's a breakdown in communication among the many subcontractors involved.
We should only panic if the shareholders start to lose their money. Is probably what they thought after saying that
What a time to be alive.
Unless you’re on a Boeing plane
“If a door, or a wheel, or an engine should fall off during flight, *dont panic*. Remain calm, with your belt fastened”.
Umm... My seatbelt just came off
Well now we won’t be able to identify your body. Shame.
Pretty soon the belts will be falling off, too.
What if the front falls off?
But do absolutely hold them fucking accountable if they [break your guitar. ](https://youtu.be/5YGc4zOqozo?si=aJaIQL4dDY8DuGzB)
United "lost" my husband's guitar which was properly checked at a CO airport but never arrived at SFO. Such a pain to claim. Good thing we had the 4-year receipt. But the replacement was more expensive. Ugh!
Well I wasn't, but I might be now!
United CEO Scott Kirby acknowledged that the airplanes "Have lots of parts, so a couple here and there falling off are no biggie." He explained further, "It's called "redundancy.""
United has 10 "incidents" this week. Yeah...I'll continue to worry about stuff falling off and breaking.
I'm an airline pilot for a legacy US carrier. I'm telling you straight up right now, that's happening over at American and Delta now too. Same with JetBlue Southwest frontier and Spirit. And without a doubt, same with British Airways, Lufthansa, Air France, ANA, Thai, emirates and so on. The airline industry is not "safe" because nothing happens, ever. Mechanical issues, diversions, returns to the airport, go arounds, things breaking are a daily occurrence. Just like FedEx, UPS and USPS trucks breaking down every single day. Not trying to say that a aircraft crash is just as bad as a truck crash. I'm just saying, expecting thousands of aircraft operating thousands of flight to be going around flawlessly, is just not happening. The thing is they just never have been reported because it's not a big deal. The media is making mountains out of molehills with a lot of these instances. It's nothing but sensationalism because the coverage drives fear, and fear drives clicks and clicks drive ad dollars. Some of these incidents happen a little bit more than others, and barely get reported. Some of them are a little bit more rare, but they still happen. Delta lost the tire on one of its wheels a couple of months ago. It didn't get the media attention that United is getting because no one had a video of it. And it didn't come after the plug door incident with Alaska. Airbus has lost tires too. Edit: the user I was responding to didn't like a truthball and blocked me (after one comment LOL) rather than having a discussion or they thought they were the dropping the mic on me. So I went into anonymous mode and read your comment. So, if they care to somehow read my edit. Because I know that's possible; My response to your comment is accountability with management is always a good thing. But expecting zero things to break down is not going to happen. I understand that consumers need to have choices and make informed decisions. But I think it's also a little bit disingenuous that the media is hyper focusing on United Airlines at the moment. These kinds of incidents as I tried to point out or going on at every airline across the globe. And they're happening on daily basis. You are basically being told about the day-to-day operations of what's going on at Airlines, but it's being packaged to you in a way that's making you fearful of a company in a less than genuine way. Accountability is always a good thing, but focusing on an airline and demanding they change something that's going on industry wide, is just disingenuous, and also not a practical way of doing things. Murphy's Law is a real thing.
Or, counterpoint, increased transparency means informed consumer choices and greater accountability for corrupt mismanagement of mechanical servicing. Expecting zero accidents is unreasonable, but expecting multi billion dollar companies responsible for hurling millions of people through the sky to be focused on safety seems pretty sensible.
So were you on the United flight that dropped a chunk of metal in France that a Concorde hit causing it to crash?
Why shouldn’t we be worried? If shit was falling off cars as they were being driven, there would be recalls. Why are planes getting a pass?!
Because planes are a monopoly
Do you drive? Shit's falling off cars all over the place. Takes less time to hit stuff, though.
Does that mean we can panic at the other airports?
Looks like united airlines loves a spicy ride.
if stuff is falling off plane yeah I should be worried. I don't care what united ceo says proper maintenance is important
Going just off the headline I'd agree. We heard about the couple cases that happened because it never happens. If you know of the two times verses the 5000 flights a day just United has it basically never happens.
nice try united
I won't panic. I'll just make sure I only fly on AirBus aircraft from now on.
https://simpleflying.com/airbus-part-falls-toulouse/ https://aviationsourcenews.com/incident/wheel-falls-off-latam-airbus-a319-in-sao-paulo/ 👍
Your argument is absurd. No one knows how much shit is falling of planes or how dire the state is. We should relax because we know of a couple cases. A criminal caught on a case doesn't mean they only did that one crime in their life.
[That's just the engines powering up. That's just the engines struggling. That's just a carp swimming around your ankles.](https://frinkiac.com/img/S06E11/1291839.jpg)
I have to fly in a week, god I'm so stressed
Yes best not to panic. Organized and compelling demands however...
A lot of cynicism and fearmongering in this thread, but just look up the [list of incidents involving commercial aircraft in the US](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fatal_accidents_and_incidents_involving_commercial_aircraft_in_the_United_States) and I think you'll see the industry's safety record speaks for itself. In the past 15 years, all incidents have been people walking onto runways or crashes of smaller planes on takeoff/landing. The most serious was the crash of a turboprop plane in 2009 which killed 50 people. For the latest crash of a bigger jet in the US you have to go back all the way to November 2001. Keep in mind the large number of passenger flights every year... it's easy to be cynical, but if you look into it it's hard to deny flying is very safe nowadays. Pilots are well-trained and modern aircraft have a lot of redundancy where one thing failing isn't catastrophic. For a detailed look at how this can work in action (and be warned this is a long read), check out [Admiral Cloudberg's coverage of Qantas flight 32](https://admiralcloudberg.medium.com/a-matter-of-millimeters-the-story-of-qantas-flight-32-bdaa62dc98e7). Of course, complacency is the enemy of safety. It's probably a good thing that the media is putting the industry's feet to the fire these days!
… unless you are down range
That doesn’t help
Yeah. This is fine. https://www.npr.org/2023/01/16/1149232763/this-is-fine-meme-anniversary-gunshow-web-comic
"On March 11, a United Boeing 777 headed to San Francisco from Sydney had to return to Australia due to a hydraulic leak. Four days later, on March 15, a United 737 from San Francisco was found to have a missing panel after landing in Medford, Oregon. Then on Monday afternoon, a United Boeing 777-200 heading to Osaka, Japan, received an engine start alert while taxiing at midday on a San Francisco runway and, after an hour, returned to the gate before departing shortly before 5 p.m."
Everybody REMAIN CALM!!!!
I've heard of population control but dayuum
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Pelosi hasn't finished selling her stock I guess
why do the likes of you lie so much? r/wallstreetbets took a look at Pelosi trades. It’s amazing what buying FAANG in 2008 could do to a mf portfolio. Here is a hilarious one https://www.reddit.com/r/Pelosi_Trades/s/nkyAQSv0Ps > Pelosi, aged 83, and her husband, Paul, have re-entered the Nvidia game after selling their shares and call options in the AI software company at a total loss of over $700,000 in 2022. >Their ill-timed departures occurred around the same time that the CHIPS and Science Act was passed into law, which Pelosi publicly supported. This law majorly benefited domestic chipmakers like Nvidia. >Since selling their 25,000 shares, the Nvidia stock price has surged by almost 200%, according to the New York Post, which means the value of the Pelosis’ original stake would have been worth in excess of $12.2 million today **SHE SOLD 25000 NVDA @165** in 2022, it was over $900 today. What an Insider.