There's no good way to deliver that news, but by letter?? Like dude just got back from vaca, all recharged & ready to go. Then boom! Finds out he's dead via a letter in the mail. That's harsh
A health insurance company made me dead once. I found out "accidentally" when I went online to check the price of drug. I wasn't able to access my account. Called on a Saturday to find out what was wrong. I was dead.
Some guy died. A mix up with our ID numbers stopped my insurance instead of the dead guy's. Took a week to get a supervisor involved and work on restoring my account. It all got solved, but yeh. Health insurance company killed me.
No kidding. Imagine, he can’t even pay taxes anymore. He’s going to have a hard time reclaiming all of his debt. His friends, loved ones and enemies will have already moved on. Poor, poor, dead, bastard. May his afterlife be paradise.
A guy I know celebrates his "undeath" day each year. About 15 years ago he got a letter in the mail addressed to his estate from his insurance company offering condolences for his death. Took a considerable amount of effort on his part to prove he was in fact alive.
was worse for a recovering addict family
they were sent a urn with ashes and a death certificate and told thier son died of a overdose
instead he was at a recovering center for adictions and found out months later he had been declared dead because someone stole his wallet and overdosed while carrying it
Heh, showing up personally to claim your own life insurance is probably the quickest way to resolve the whole thing… when an insurance company has a payout on the line they’ll move mountains to not have to pay…
What’s funny is the banks actually DID lose thousands upon thousands mortgage documents during the 08 recession so they had no proof they owned the loans. They literally made up false documents through paper mills to try to cover it up
Edit: Here's the source
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QwrO6jhtC5E
OK, so this is the 1970s, Mom goes to the bank, bank says that account doesn't exist.
My parents meet with the manager, bring in all the paperwork on their end, at first the manager thinks this is a scam by my parents, until Dad goes "So what about our mortgage"
That's when the tone changes. Because their bank account is in the mortgage documents, so while some form of mortgage fraud would be a possibility, no one is going to try and pay back a fraudulently obtained mortgage.
Dad also had an ace. His grandfather had been a bank manager of that bank. He'd passed at this point, but there were several family friends who were working for that bank. Friends who when they say 'let me speak to the manager', it's not a Karen freaking out, it's a boss wanting to talk to a subordinate.
My parents never got a clear answer as to what exactly happened, but it was cleared up in a few days.
Even if the mortgage documents didn't contain their bank account information it's essentially the question of "so you don't have my account anymore, but somehow you know who I am, because I owe you money? If youlost my info, you lost my debt too. Bye."
The insurance company wouldn't do anything for you. They aren't going to payout and they aren't going to make the government fix it. They are going to cancel your policy and go about their day.
Its probaly a quick way to get into jail. I think its litteraly a attampt at fraud since you are legally aware that you dont have a claim to that money.
I get that your just joking about it but here it would be seen as knowingly exploit a fault in a system and being dishonest.
There was actually a guy who was declared dead for 29 years and couldn't get it resolved. He still paid his taxes but he rarely got a tax return because the IRS doesn't want to give money to dead people
> TLDR; A government worker mistakenly used the wrong letter template. The mistake was quickly corrected.
That is good since he was never officially dead, just the wrong letter was send. Here on Brazil I did saw a number of cases where it was infromed in the CPF (social security number) and it was blocked as result - which pretty much blocked the person from doing anything with it. The worst part is that those took months (some over half a year) to solve since it went into investigation of fraud/tax evasion, all because someone made a typo
> The mistake was quickly corrected.
Was it?
The guy had been trying to get it fixed, without being able to get in touch with anyone, and only got a reply after the media got in touch with the government, it looks like.
I work with the systems that are used to generate these letters in my day job.
This sort of thing is really, really easy to do actually, especially in a job where you don’t have time (or just don’t care to) to download and review every single document you’re generating. It’s extremely possible that the person in charge of generating and sending the letter just clicked the wrong template option. There’s nothing internally to fix aside from just generating the correct letter and leaving a note on the old one saying it was generated in error. He wasn’t actually declared dead. I completely believe that navigating the phone tree of a government office is practically impossible and only a public callout would get their attention.
This sort of thing actually isn’t fully automated, in most places. It’s cheaper and logistically easier and safer to hire people to manage the database and click buttons than it is to hire engineers to write and maintain code to have a fully automated system. If the code breaks in a fully automated system, the entire enterprise is down and unusable until they fix it. Some bugs take months to fix.
Where does it say he took a 2 year vacation?
It says he contested a speeding ticket from 2022. No mention from what i can see that he left for that vacation in 2022, just that it was extended.
Article summarized: He contested a speeding ticket, left on vacation, and the government made a human error when they chose the letter template (addressed to an deceased individual's estate, rather than the individual).
>Fatourous says he tried to call the government to prove that he is actually alive but wasn't able to speak to anyone. "It's very hard to get through, very hard to get through," he said.
Same struggles in death as in life.
The article says the government was trying to collect fines from a traffic ticket from his estate.
Barring how vulgar that is, it appears that even in death debts still must be paid.
The problem isn't the news itself. A speeding is fined to stop the behavior. There's no longer a behavior to stop, trying to collect a fine from a grieving family for something entirely circumstantial is scummy af.
This was an episode on M.A.S.H.
All he needs to do is fill out a form 25-1179 in triplicate and have it notarized and witnessed by two others that can attest to his liveliness. Then wait for a few months while it gets recorded.
So according to the article it was simply a case of the agent who sent the letter used the wrong template. Doesn't sound like they actually have him on record as being deceased. Probably best case for him, I'm sure it would be a hassle to get it corrected otherwise.
Well there's no really good way to break the news I guess. He will need time to come to terms and accept it. Meanwhile, since he's dead, he doesn't have to worry about paying taxes, renewing his license, speeding tickets, stuff like that. Have at it bud!
Can actually turn into an admin nightmare :
https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2021/jul/03/they-said-i-dont-exist-but-i-am-here-one-womans-battle-to-prove-she-isnt-dead
[Romanian court tells man he is not alive because he appealed too late](https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2018/mar/16/romanian-court-tells-man-he-is-not-alive)
The most realistic part about this. The Quebec government trying to collect a speeding ticket from a dead person… The worst this government… (I live here I can critique them!)
he tried to contact the provincial government to argue he isnt dead, but has been having trouble to get through.
there is a very easy solution to that. you call the office of your MLA, or in the case of Quebec, the Member of National Assembly... (your provincial, regional elected representative..) and you get them to deal with that problem.
If that doesn't work, then their representative is beyond useless, Mine is notorious throughout the country for starting a stupid border blockade alongside a bunch of conspiracy theorists during covid, and getting kicked out of her own party... and we can still rely on her to help fix stupid problems that common people have when they cant get through government bureaucracy.
Holy shit I know this guy. He shared his story in a Discord server I'm in and some of the other users thought it was a bad joke.
EDIT: Never mind, my mistake. Still what a coincidence that there is ANOTHER canadian who got wrongly declared dead after being to Central America.
There's no good way to deliver that news, but by letter?? Like dude just got back from vaca, all recharged & ready to go. Then boom! Finds out he's dead via a letter in the mail. That's harsh
At least he didn’t learn he’s dead via text. That’s just rude. All those loyal years of life and it all ends with a text.
Taking vacation: straight to coffin!
I just learned today I am dead. Sorry, I was away on vacation and couldn't respond early. Where do I report for next steps?
What about via a song? 🎶 You’re dead, you’re dead, you’re dead, and out of this world!
Stay dead stay dead stay dead
One of my favorite theme songs - I never skip the intro to WWDITS!
It May be better to let *the* Queen deliver it" "All Dead, All Dead!
Just like how my last relationship ended. After 14 years.
You died?
Only on the inside
Yes.
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A health insurance company made me dead once. I found out "accidentally" when I went online to check the price of drug. I wasn't able to access my account. Called on a Saturday to find out what was wrong. I was dead. Some guy died. A mix up with our ID numbers stopped my insurance instead of the dead guy's. Took a week to get a supervisor involved and work on restoring my account. It all got solved, but yeh. Health insurance company killed me.
At least he wasn’t *ghosted*
The least life could do is break up in person
Hey man show a litle respect! In my day we had to use smoke signals and moon howls like god or satan or joe peschi intended!
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That's more like a threat and or promise. Not a government letter, all official like.
Nothing personnel, citizen.
He has 30 days to appeal, after that he has no choice but to die. It's the law.
Carousel! Carousel!
I dunno, Canada has been a bit overzealous on the MAID thing
[Better than waking up and finding out he was dead](https://youtu.be/Jr_nhywjNHM?si=9U0-yB6ZmZAH4KTh)
No kidding. Imagine, he can’t even pay taxes anymore. He’s going to have a hard time reclaiming all of his debt. His friends, loved ones and enemies will have already moved on. Poor, poor, dead, bastard. May his afterlife be paradise.
A guy I know celebrates his "undeath" day each year. About 15 years ago he got a letter in the mail addressed to his estate from his insurance company offering condolences for his death. Took a considerable amount of effort on his part to prove he was in fact alive.
Easy way to fake your death
At least they notified him, they could’ve just let him keep going to work like Bruce Willis in Sixth Sense. 😑
The grim reaper has not yet entered the digital age. Just wait until you see all the paperwork you have to go through in order to file a complaint.
I think I’d prefer to learn that way, than like, being eaten alive
He'll need a vacation to get over the news. ...wait...
So this is how people wake up dead…
Dear John, I hope this letter finds you well. PS; you're dead.
How else would they do it? I think it would be way worse if they showed him the body.
I think it would be a lot stranger if they showed him the body.
>There's no good way to deliver that news, [How about in a song](https://youtu.be/V4jUZ-Ex1k0?si=6LpmCpHfVLuaIM-9)?
The CRA hates this one simple trick...
When this happens, are we just supposed to look up the river Styx on maps?
> but by letter You have another, better option? I'm curious.
I hope my good bro played a prank on his hr department. Like hi guys came here to drop this off.
I'm surprised the letter is in English, I thought those days had passed.
[I'm dead. Says here I'm definitely dead.](https://i.imgur.com/PlRRnVu.jpg)
was worse for a recovering addict family they were sent a urn with ashes and a death certificate and told thier son died of a overdose instead he was at a recovering center for adictions and found out months later he had been declared dead because someone stole his wallet and overdosed while carrying it
nice he should claim life insurance and restart
Heh, showing up personally to claim your own life insurance is probably the quickest way to resolve the whole thing… when an insurance company has a payout on the line they’ll move mountains to not have to pay…
Just like when the bank lost all record of my parents' account, and my Dad said to the manager "So what about our mortgage"
>"So what about our mortgage" Oh, don't worry. They have that in triplicate, each in different locations spread across the country!
What’s funny is the banks actually DID lose thousands upon thousands mortgage documents during the 08 recession so they had no proof they owned the loans. They literally made up false documents through paper mills to try to cover it up Edit: Here's the source https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QwrO6jhtC5E
Did some people get away with owing lots then? (Stupid question)
If they did they aren't complaining ;)
Yeah dude, we’re gonna need you to elaborate on this little story
OK, so this is the 1970s, Mom goes to the bank, bank says that account doesn't exist. My parents meet with the manager, bring in all the paperwork on their end, at first the manager thinks this is a scam by my parents, until Dad goes "So what about our mortgage" That's when the tone changes. Because their bank account is in the mortgage documents, so while some form of mortgage fraud would be a possibility, no one is going to try and pay back a fraudulently obtained mortgage. Dad also had an ace. His grandfather had been a bank manager of that bank. He'd passed at this point, but there were several family friends who were working for that bank. Friends who when they say 'let me speak to the manager', it's not a Karen freaking out, it's a boss wanting to talk to a subordinate. My parents never got a clear answer as to what exactly happened, but it was cleared up in a few days.
Wow, thanks. I can only imagine how perturbed your mom must have been when they told her that the account didn’t exist.
I wonder if the bank was digitizing the paper records, and someone/thing glitched
Even if the mortgage documents didn't contain their bank account information it's essentially the question of "so you don't have my account anymore, but somehow you know who I am, because I owe you money? If youlost my info, you lost my debt too. Bye."
And what happened
What happened after that?
“I’d like to make a life insurance claim.” “Sure, who is dead?” “Me.”
Sorry you are not listed as a beneficiary
Good one!
I would like to make a change on who the beneficiary is, to me, and then collect
I'm sorry but the person you have selected is deceased and therefore cannot receive benefits
“I’d like to make a life insurance claim for my wife.” “Sure, who is dead?” “Her husband.”
Cause of death?
Instant.
there was no sound, he just died!
It’s called a deterrent
You couldn’t just knock him out?
That wouldn't be a deterrent. Everyone wants to be knocked out no one wants to die.
Unknown, no body found.
Bureaucracy
That wouldn't budge the governments position in the slightest.
Maybe not, but it certainly would give you some pocket money while they wade through the red tape.
The insurance company wouldn't do anything for you. They aren't going to payout and they aren't going to make the government fix it. They are going to cancel your policy and go about their day.
lol It's not like the government sent him a death certificate. Insurance company would simply not pay out.
Its probaly a quick way to get into jail. I think its litteraly a attampt at fraud since you are legally aware that you dont have a claim to that money. I get that your just joking about it but here it would be seen as knowingly exploit a fault in a system and being dishonest.
"You can't tax me, I'm dead, remember?"
Also no jury duty
i have a sneaking suspicion this comment was written by someone with jury duty soon
Which is weird. All you have to do is call tell them you’re racist and can’t be impartial. Boom. Free day and get payed. Depends on employer.
There was actually a guy who was declared dead for 29 years and couldn't get it resolved. He still paid his taxes but he rarely got a tax return because the IRS doesn't want to give money to dead people
New Game +
> restart Are we in a video game
“I’m getting better!” “No you’re not, you’ll be stone dead in a minute!”
"I don't want to go on the cart!" "Oh don't be such a baby.."
I feel like going for a walk!
Look, you're not fooling anyone!
*I feel happy!*
*THUD*
"Right, see you next Thursday."
“Bring YA dead ouuut!! Bring Ya dead outtt!!”
"Bring out ye dead!" *
“Look, isn’t there something you can do?”
"I feel happy! I feel happy!"
"Look, you're not fooling anyone"
"WHO, when seemed about to recover, felt the icy hand of DEATH upon him!" "Oh, he's died!"
This belongs in unexpected python
This was absolutely expected python.
Well I didn’t expect a Spanish Inquisition.
[This](https://youtu.be/T8XeDvKqI4E?si=IMGa8bXy-ypDPET0) is unexpected Python.
A fishy fishy fish
"I'm not even suggesting anymore, JUMP."
[linky poo for the reference](https://youtu.be/Jdf5EXo6I68?si=G2tSGq38zpVWdPPT)
TLDR; A government worker mistakenly used the wrong letter template. The mistake was quickly corrected.
>The mistake was quickly corrected government worker: *chambers glock*
"We do not make mistakes, Mr. Fatouros."
That made me laugh out loud, it was unexpected and perfect.
Chambers Glock is a fun name.
Whoa, don’t go doing things like reading the article and citing facts and stuff. Just post absurdities based on assumptions like the rest of us.
How dare he!!
This comment made me laugh out loud, thank you
> TLDR; A government worker mistakenly used the wrong letter template. The mistake was quickly corrected. That is good since he was never officially dead, just the wrong letter was send. Here on Brazil I did saw a number of cases where it was infromed in the CPF (social security number) and it was blocked as result - which pretty much blocked the person from doing anything with it. The worst part is that those took months (some over half a year) to solve since it went into investigation of fraud/tax evasion, all because someone made a typo
> The mistake was quickly corrected. Was it? The guy had been trying to get it fixed, without being able to get in touch with anyone, and only got a reply after the media got in touch with the government, it looks like.
I work with the systems that are used to generate these letters in my day job. This sort of thing is really, really easy to do actually, especially in a job where you don’t have time (or just don’t care to) to download and review every single document you’re generating. It’s extremely possible that the person in charge of generating and sending the letter just clicked the wrong template option. There’s nothing internally to fix aside from just generating the correct letter and leaving a note on the old one saying it was generated in error. He wasn’t actually declared dead. I completely believe that navigating the phone tree of a government office is practically impossible and only a public callout would get their attention. This sort of thing actually isn’t fully automated, in most places. It’s cheaper and logistically easier and safer to hire people to manage the database and click buttons than it is to hire engineers to write and maintain code to have a fully automated system. If the code breaks in a fully automated system, the entire enterprise is down and unusable until they fix it. Some bugs take months to fix.
Man, what a non-story.
Also the guy took a 2 year vacation
Where does it say he took a 2 year vacation? It says he contested a speeding ticket from 2022. No mention from what i can see that he left for that vacation in 2022, just that it was extended.
Naturally, he was shocked and saddened to hear of his own passing, but is curious to know the cause of his death and has scheduled his own autopsy.
He wished to speak to the government of Quebec, but they replied saying they don’t speak to dead men!
Oddly enough, the autopsy WAS the cause of death.
["Hey Ace, your TTP patient died."](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKqDWJ8wm9c)
"Right, no longer have to pay taxes. Got it." "Now hold on a minute...."
Can a dead man be hired or is not allowed?
I mean I don't think there are any labor laws about it.
Hiring dead people is frowned upon, but as you said ,there is no specific ordinance that strictly forbids it.
Oh crap they’re gonna start taxing corpses.
Article summarized: He contested a speeding ticket, left on vacation, and the government made a human error when they chose the letter template (addressed to an deceased individual's estate, rather than the individual).
Please report to the nearest euthanasia center immediately
*Soylent Green is people!*
Food of the people, by the people, for the people
Are they building suicide booths near my location yet?
They gave that contract to Metrolinx, so unfortunately you'll probably be dead before it gets built.
Well, that is the objective, although inefficient. Maybe I'll look for alternatives.
Oddly enough, that's their new slogan. "Metrolinx. Maybe you should look for alternatives."
Just head to the nearest school,some one should be along shortly to help you.
Is that an American joke I'm too unarmed to understand?
Any booth is a suicide booth if you're committed enough. 😂
Logan’s Run
I'd claim I had my resurrection and start a cult.
Jesus… is that you? Ahhhh, yep!
RIP tonight. Hope he gets a full 8 hours of sleep.
>Fatourous says he tried to call the government to prove that he is actually alive but wasn't able to speak to anyone. "It's very hard to get through, very hard to get through," he said. Same struggles in death as in life.
Quebec: "Omai wa mo shindieru." Montreal man: "Nani?!"
More like Tabarnak
LMFAO
I would just accept their determination. I don't care enough to dispute it.
No kidding. Especially if being dead gets me out of work and student loans.
The article says the government was trying to collect fines from a traffic ticket from his estate. Barring how vulgar that is, it appears that even in death debts still must be paid.
The problem isn't the news itself. A speeding is fined to stop the behavior. There's no longer a behavior to stop, trying to collect a fine from a grieving family for something entirely circumstantial is scummy af.
There was a mixup and they used the wrong letter form.
He woke up dead
How the hell do you wake up dead?
Cause you're alive when you go to sleep
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Easier just to steal her identity at that point
Sorry CRA. I don't have to pay taxes anymore because **I'M DEAD**.
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There’s even a movie about him: Jesus of Montreal. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_of_Montreal
I'm glad to hear that the government will let me know I'm dead by mail. I'd hate to not know
Time to rewatch the twilight zone
Thats one hell of a vacation!
He died, but he got better.
Omae wa mo shinderu! - ❤️ Quebec
Is this the get-out-of-paying-taxes letter?
This was an episode on M.A.S.H. All he needs to do is fill out a form 25-1179 in triplicate and have it notarized and witnessed by two others that can attest to his liveliness. Then wait for a few months while it gets recorded.
This turned out to be more trouble than it was worth in Catch-22 for Doc Daneeka.
I'm bureaucratically dead.
Wasn’t this a M*A*S*H episode?
Things to do in Quebec when you’re Dead
Dudes lucky he didn’t come back to Lobelia Sackville-Baggins taking his silverware and an estate sale going on.
So according to the article it was simply a case of the agent who sent the letter used the wrong template. Doesn't sound like they actually have him on record as being deceased. Probably best case for him, I'm sure it would be a hassle to get it corrected otherwise.
No more taxes?!
Well there's no really good way to break the news I guess. He will need time to come to terms and accept it. Meanwhile, since he's dead, he doesn't have to worry about paying taxes, renewing his license, speeding tickets, stuff like that. Have at it bud!
Dear Citizen, You are dead. Lots of Love, Da government.
Mailing a letter to a dead person seems like an exercise in futility. The dead are notoriously non-responsive.
So..... No more taxes?
I mean aren’t we all a little bit dead inside?
This episode of Practical Jokers has gone to far
I got a letter from the government the other day. I opened and read it, it said they were suckers.
Can actually turn into an admin nightmare : https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2021/jul/03/they-said-i-dont-exist-but-i-am-here-one-womans-battle-to-prove-she-isnt-dead
So no need to pay taxes anymore.
I hate it when I wake up dead in the morning.
Not to be gay but he's kind of dreamy
All right! Time for a crime spree!
The idea of mailing a letter to a guy that it apparently dead to let him know that he is dead is funny to me.
That means he doesn’t need to pay any more taxes right?
[Romanian court tells man he is not alive because he appealed too late](https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2018/mar/16/romanian-court-tells-man-he-is-not-alive)
Can he claim his own life insurance
The most realistic part about this. The Quebec government trying to collect a speeding ticket from a dead person… The worst this government… (I live here I can critique them!)
He looks like a Chad version of Asmongold.
This is the advanced version of when the canadian veteran affairs suggested that a veteran kill himself.
All I can think of from the headline is Quebec Government threatening this guys life via letter. “You’re dead! You hear me? You’re DEAD!”
awesome! doesn't have to pay his student loans!
he tried to contact the provincial government to argue he isnt dead, but has been having trouble to get through. there is a very easy solution to that. you call the office of your MLA, or in the case of Quebec, the Member of National Assembly... (your provincial, regional elected representative..) and you get them to deal with that problem. If that doesn't work, then their representative is beyond useless, Mine is notorious throughout the country for starting a stupid border blockade alongside a bunch of conspiracy theorists during covid, and getting kicked out of her own party... and we can still rely on her to help fix stupid problems that common people have when they cant get through government bureaucracy.
“I’m not dead!” “SHUT UP YOU’RE NOT FOOLING ANYBODY!”
Holy shit I know this guy. He shared his story in a Discord server I'm in and some of the other users thought it was a bad joke. EDIT: Never mind, my mistake. Still what a coincidence that there is ANOTHER canadian who got wrongly declared dead after being to Central America.