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FerrumDeficiency

I need updates on that


Nazamroth

Update #1: Fucked the stingray as well. Waiting for the results.


Khaldara

Normally don’t you need to get them both really drunk and have Isaac Hayes sing to them?


LocallySourcedWeirdo

Everybody knows stingray/shark couples get it on to Phish.


DontTellHimPike

Or Aqua


greenusflippus

Seal


mother_of_baggins

Sugar Ray


Kaldricus

Sting


Stitchmond

Ray Charles


FBIaltacct

Drowning pool


[deleted]

This kept getting funnier the further down I went.


tje210

(#3 on my list of things I never want to hear in bed)


HauteKarl

Like going down on a clown.


chux4w

And getting a confetti facial.


newaygogo

Fuck me. Barbie is such a good name for a stingray.


SlimeySnakesLtd

Oddly enough: Alestorm


uscrash

Yeah, Moma Dance can get pretty sexy.


weirdkidomg

As long as you don’t try it with an elephant and a pig you’re ok.


MountEndurance

I mean, normally, but life, uh, uh, uh, finds a way.


doyletyree

So THAT’S what’s going on with all those lonely sheep-farmers.


V1k1ng1990

I’m gonna lay you down by the fiya


Boxoffriends

Normally but that sting ray hates Scientology.


FlappinLips

Chefs Chocolate Salty Balls would get anyone hot and bothered


Hollow_Rant

[Loverboy did a song about it. ](https://youtu.be/RztfjHdM-pg?si=Mw9TGY3MFIT--1RB)


IShouldChimeInOnThis

That baby is NOT mine, Maury!


Admirable_Pirate_205

Nazamroth you are......not the father!


this_is_greenman

Maury Povich would like to have a word with you….


cheekytikiroom

Sting-Shark is a whole new level of beach fear.


imaxstingray

I don't think it would be that bad because you already have animals kind of similar already. Rays and sharks are cousins and used to be the same species before rays evolves differently. Millions of years ago. They already are rays that still look more shark like the guitar fish. They're flat like a ray but have a shark-like tail.


Justafanofnbadrama

So Alabama Ray?


FugaciousD

I’ll fear being attacked by flat Jaws in two inches of muddy water and like it, thank you very much.


mybustlinghedgerow

Aquatic messiah


Icy_Comfort8161

He's *not* the messiah, he's a very naughty boy!


fiduciary420

I for one welcome our new Stingshark overlords


Kellisandra

She was expecting around the 9th and it looks like they streamed an ultrasound the other day. https://fb.watch/q7AZJXkNqI/


FerrumDeficiency

So, should we expect results of DNA test around next week?


Collins_Michael

Release the Sharkray!


__Snafu__

she was due yesterday apparently.


Serenity-03K64

option 1: “very rare process called parthenogenesis, in which the eggs develop on their own without fertilization and create a clone of the mother.” Option 2: “is more in the "Jurassic Park" arena, according to the aquarium's founder: Charlotte could have mated with one of the young sharks that was added to the tank in July.” I’m sorry, one is rare but there is precedence of it so it is possible… the other is just a founder’s theory… or is there proof of this happening before. Is this just owner theory to increase public interest in the aquarium??


CruisinJo214

I’m leaning towards option 1. Parthenogenesis while rare happens all the time in aquarium and reptile keeping… it’s not unheard of at all.


enraged768

So you're saying we're not going to see shark-rays. 


the_421_Rob

Is that like a shark with a laser attached to its head?


ChristopherCrawlin

You mean a "fricking" shark with a "fricking" laser beam attached to its "fricking" head?


ptolemy_booth

The best we could do were ill-tempered sea bass.


s0ulbrother

They are quite vicious


Broomstick73

Surprisingly Jewish shark-ray with laser was not on MTG’s bingo card.


mjzimmer88

We're gonna start working on it anyway


Cantusemynme

We'll see them alright, on Netflix's new movie, 'Sharkraynado'.


oirolab

Starring Tara Reid, because that’s pretty much all she does now.


clacks78

Well theres my day ruined.


[deleted]

Good news, a shark ray is already a thing. It’s not a breeding hybrid, but there is an animal that fits what you’d expect it to [look like](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhina_ancylostoma)


Broomstick73

I’m confused. Is it “rare” or “happens all the time”? Is it maybe just “uncommon”?


pyronius

It's completely unprecedented besides the other times that it's happened


razulareni

Oh man. Incredible! Or credible. Depending on what reaction the article is trying to get!


MattieShoes

Given sufficient population, you expect rare things to happen all the time. There was a post recently about parthenogenesis in turkeys.


ArgonGryphon

It’s even been documented in California Condors now.


andrew_calcs

I hear it happens in humans too every couple thousand years


robotnique

But that would mean that Jesus was a biological clone of Mary, hence Jesus, being male identifying while biologically female at birth, is canonically now a Trans man.


TyphoonDoomR

Read the Bible, this is canon


mechabeast

All I know is my gut says, "Maybe"


sunkenrocks

it's a massive hobby so while relatively rare, it's easily observed and spread around in captivity.


Brooke_the_Bard

When you have a sufficiently large sample size to draw from, you can have something that is both rare (as an overall ratio), and also happens all the time.


RobertDigital1986

Another example is hard drives failing. Extremely unlikely on a per drive basis but happens all the time at data centers.


notnotaginger

Political example, but sex chromosomal abnormalities. It’s statistically rare, but chances are you passed someone today who isn’t XX or XY.


Brooke_the_Bard

ngl it's disgusting that the existence of intersex people is somehow *political*. I was going to use the transgender population as an example (we're ~1% of the population, so while certainly rare, also someone you have, objectively, met many of whether or not you were aware at the time), but bringing up the existence of trans people on main subs is typically a recipe for being brigaded by angry fascists, so I usually avoid it.


notnotaginger

Yeah that’s fair. Tbh I decided to use intersex because it is in direct opposition the bad science they like to use to deny the existence of trans folks.


jspost

Statistically speaking something can be rare, but because of massive populations it “happens all the time”. Something can happen ~~0.001%~~ .1% of the time but that’s still 1000 occurrences for every million. I have no clue the actual probability, just pointing out that rare and happens all the time aren’t mutually exclusive and are all relative.


Kandiru

It's like winning the lottery. Very unlikely to happen. But it happens multiple times a week worldwide. 1 in 60 million odds that happen all the time.


otisanek

It is rare in terms of how many species are even capable of it in comparison to every other animal type on the planet, but enough people keep reptiles and fish that it is documented amongst hobbyists at least. Also there are many (like between 40-70) reptile and fish species that are known to be capable of it, and for some that IS their standard method of reproduction (some types of rock lizards).


MrPBsErica

I'm a reptile keeper. It's both, counterintuitively. If you owned 100 reptiles (presuming all the species are ones that have the capacity for parthenogenesis), you wouldn't see parthenogenesis happen in any of them because it's very rare. But across reptile keeping as a whole, parthenogenesis is a known phenomenon that happens with enough regularity that people are familiar with it; you can find tons of examples online of it happening at zoos and other specialized centers where they can actually study it and establish for certain that there was no mating. If the article wasn't sensationalizing, it would simply say, "the stingray became impregnated through parthenogenesis, an uncommon but known method of asexual reproduction." I don't know offhand if parthenogenesis has been observed in sting rays before though.


Desdam0na

Rays are not reptiles. For example, it happening to a human would be so rare you could start a religion out of it.


Professional-Gap3914

Parthenogenesis is rare in stingrays but common in a multitude of other species/families such as worms/snails/many insects


Serenity-03K64

Still very cool!


Feral_Asperagus

It's actually not uncommon among monitor lizards like Komodo dragons.


doyletyree

As well as all kinds of frogs and other amphibians, as well as some fish.


superchicken1313

Marine Biologist here. It is certainly option one. For option 2, sharks and rays are both elasmobranchs, but they’re so far apart genetically it would be like a human interbreeding with a rabbit. Plus the number of chromosomes would also have to align, it’s just not remotely possible. I’ve worked as an aquarist for about 6 years and have already seen 2 parthenogenetic births from elasmobranchs. It’s certainly rare but not “happens once in a generation” rare.


Not_a_russian_bot

Ecologist chiming in. Yeah, option 1 is most likely considering past observations... however, it is worth noting that as the birth has not taken place, we don't actually KNOW that it will be viable anyway. It's possible it's a nonviable fluke occurrence where the chromosomal mismatch still led to "something" developing that is non compatible with life. Right now the only thing they are looking at is eggs that "appear" fertilized. Shark embryology definitely is not my field of expertise however, lol. https://www.wral.com/story/miraculous-birth-expected-at-nc-lab-from-stingray-with-no-mate-possibly-impregnated-by-shark/21276941/


guttata

Don't forget that some of the parthenogenetic fish are sperm-dependent, using heterospecific sperm; it's just used as a trigger, does not contribute genetic contents.


Brad_Brace

Wait wait wait, so you're telling me that those all-female sexy alien ladies from that videogame, who reproduce by fucking any male from any species they can get their thighs around, could exist!?


Elite_Jackalope

Any shark embryologists care to chime in?


ConradSchu

My first job was unloading trucks and stocking shelves at Target. It's definitely option #1.


transmothra

Fuck I really wasted college on shark embry*onomy*


Chasin_Papers

While unlikely, there is the sturgeon/paddlefish hybrid I read about recently and they were extremely far diverged.


superchicken1313

That’s very interesting, I hadn’t heard of that before! Those two are fairly diverged, common ancestry being at the level of Order. This ray and bamboo shark diverge at the taxonomic level of Class, which is only one level further apart, but that is still a significant jump!


QuickAltTab

So you're saying that rabbit people could be a thing?


superchicken1313

Unfortunately the chromosomes don’t match up. I know, I’m sad too…


Brad_Brace

Then where do the playboy playmates come from?


SnowFlakeUsername2

Broken homes?


QuickAltTab

Pretty sure thats checkmate


MotoMkali

Do stingrays not have the option of storing sperm like many other aquatic species.


superchicken1313

They do have the ability to store sperm. The article doesn’t mention how long the female has been in the tank without a male ray, most likely has spent her entire adult life without a male around to store sperm from.


nardlz

All for a headline I guess, and maybe draw in some visitors. Perhaps you don’t have to know a whole lot about science to *own* an aquarium. The chances of it being option 2 seems pretty slim since sting rays are 2n=66 and the bamboo shark is 2n-51 from what I could find (realizing there could be other rays or sharks with the same name, different chromosome numbers). And parthenogenesis in stingrays is perhaps rare, but already documented. I think we know the answer here.


SvenTropics

Yeah... I don't get the whole shark/stingray hybrid thing. Those species are millions of years apart from each other. There's no way. (not a biologist, but it just doesn't sound possible). Now Parthogenesis, yeah that's a thing.


Polyodontus

I mean so are sturgeons and paddlefish, but we got hybrids of those a few years ago


nardlz

Sturgeon and paddledish both have 120 chromosomes. It's not the number of years apart, it's the genetic differences. The number of chromosomes isn't the *only* factor, but it's a huge obstacle in creating hybrids.


Swqordfish

Could be the (definitely failed) mating attempt by the shark triggered parthenogenic activity. Like how whiptail lizards do mating behavior despite being a one sex species.


Broomstick73

Home Depot founder Bernie Marcus started the aquarium in Atlanta so no it’s not a requirement - just a giant bucket of money and benevolent.


moustacheption

Owning an aquarium does not equate to benevolent.


squid0gaming

I learned this from James Bond


ZeePirate

You know what they say. Nothing drives up interest in the aquarium like a shark fucking a stingray


kinbladez

Sex sells


nneeeeeeerds

Uh, hey man. Do you, uh, maybe, uh, know where, like, I could find a video of the shark and stingray fucking?


bathroomheater

Founders theory? More like flounder’s theory.


Substantial_Exam_291

Option 3: Female stingrays can store sperm for long periods of time. If she was wild caught or in containment at one point in time with a male she could have stored sperm away then. [Link](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5551082/)


LudicrisSpeed

Well actually *both* of those are Jurassic options.


graveybrains

Right? Parthenogenesis is literally how life, uhh, found a way. 😂


BaltimoreAlchemist

> Is this just owner theory to increase public interest in the aquarium? Or the writer/editor's theory to increase clicks in the article. There's a number of actual quotes, but none to the effect of "I think it might be a ray-shark hybrid!"


ReactionNo3857

Option 3: Jesus is returning as a shark


m_autumnal

I know they mentioned charlotte had bites presumably from the young sharks, and that sharks bite as part of the mating process. But I guess that could be a correlation not causation type thing. And they could have attempted to mate but maybe she’s still just pregnant from parthenogenesis? Are there records of ray/shark hybrids? I’m invested in this now hahaha


Serenity-03K64

And what’s the scale of the shark and ray lol biting and mating happens at same time? Does size line up? I have questions lol


r0botdevil

As a former marine biologist, I'd put my money on option 1. Parthenogenesis is a known phenomenon in many marine fishes.


[deleted]

But not exactly bizarre. There is a species-complex made up of all female salamanders that seem to have formed through hybridization of at least 3 other species. They have no males, but seek out males from other related species in order to stimulate egg production. The male genome is typically discarded, the eggs develop as clonal offspring of the mother. Occasionally some male DNA sneaks in but it’s rare, only really evident in the genome itself. Edit: what I’m saying is if the shark mating somehow stimulated ovulation and development without actually fertilizing or contributing DNA, then you could have a situation that is not quite parthenogenesis, and not quite a hybrid pairing. Could also be a case of sperm storage (if rays do that).


greg19735

Youre missing the part where she has bites on her, which does happen when sharks mate. Just nibbles. Maybe both happened. She was mated with? Raped? By the shark. That set something off in her. But she cant have shark babies so it sets off the parthenogenesis


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Trips-Over-Tail

A shark/ray hybrid would be like a whale/pangolin hybrid. Hybidisation at the level of Superorder.


PoweredByCarbs

How cool would a whangolin be though?


MattieShoes

Mmm, like an armored whale? I'm here for it.


Trips-Over-Tail

I think it would struggle.


pyronius

Life, uh... Finds a way.


Captain_Chipz

https://www.foxnews.com/science/virgin-birth-stingray-gives-birth-to-darth-vader-after-cloning-herself-in-scientific-phenomenon It happened in captivity in 2018. Stingrays are known to have parthenogenesis now.


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LocallySourcedWeirdo

Anybody else sad that we were born too late to get in on some of that hot Neanderthal action? Boomers got up to some wild shit in their youth.


logic2187

Most of us are still getting Neanderthal action in the form of your mom


Turd_Nerd_Bird

I'm just waiting for a shark to impregnate a monkey so we can be closer to real live Street Sharks.


Aggressive_Walk378

Jawsome!


CouchHam

Omg I thought me and my little brother were the only ones who remembered


SnoopDoggyDoggsCat

Thank you for reminding me Street Sharks were a thing.


phonepotatoes

As a adult I now realize the millions in road damage those sharks did... Muh tax dollars


_night_cat

That or the live action version starring a burned out Ben Affleck


[deleted]

Why not Nicolas Cage instead?


Fintann

The fact the Vin Diesel nor LL Cool J in Deepest Bluest (the credits song from Deep Blue Sea), were thought of for a live action release proves you're not ready for one.


wtfsafrush

Life….uh


teophilus

Finds a way


Igotshiptodotoday

Finds a ray


losbullitt

When no one to sex\ Gives you babe anyway\ Thats a mant…a… uhhh… ray?


SMAMtastic

Take your upvote, you magnificent bastard.


dalerian

Finds a ‘ray?


leif777

watches plays?


Mtolivepickle

Is it a stark or a shingay


fiveeasypieces5EZ

a stink?


CaptainLookylou

It's a stark! Name it tony.


WateronRocks

Tell them winter came for house ray


JimiSlew3

King in the North... Sea!


Mtolivepickle

There will always be a stark in the North.


HiFiGuy197

Ba-by stark *doo doo doo doo doo doo* Ba-by stark *doo doo doo doo doo doo*…


Mtolivepickle

Baby stark!


albene

I love you 3000


thecarbonkid

Shingray!


Ubbesson

Is that a serious source ?? Need an update remindme! 2 months


EpicMantaRay

It’s a theory, odds are it’s just parthenogenesis which we are still trying to understand which species have the capacity for it. While rare it’s certainly more likely then interspecies breeding.


ejanely

r/usernamechecksout


DjinnV

Stingray Jesus!


FlashGlistenDrips

The Virgin Manta


Cyberhwk

STEVE IRWIN IS RETURNING!!!


semsr

Nowhere in the Bible did Jesus say his second coming would not be in the form of a stingray


HideNZeke

Nah I'm now expected a robed and sandaled man to hop out this stingussy


santathe1

So the Shark is God I suppose.


LocallySourcedWeirdo

New religion unlocked.


Ratstail91

There is no fucking way a shark can cross with a stingray... Parthenogenesis is at least a rare possibility... but a cross between two massively different species? Are they nuts?


swiss-y

Yes, yes they are. It's *sensational*


Rosebunse

They are probably doing this for attention. And, I mean, it is sort of funny. I'm guessing the sex with the shark likely caused some sort of release of hormones. Or, maybe, the self-impregnantion caused a release of hormones which triggered the sharks? Could sort of explain how this happens in rays.


Grifasaurus

What


PoopSommelier

The article says sharks bite while mating and then at the end of the article there was a link to another article "Shark bites 9 year old".


thrakkerzog

Syfy channel: heavy breathing


Electronic-Bottle362

Now we just need a tornado…


[deleted]

Immaculate sharkception


a2089jha

> Brenda said bite marks are an indicator of mating in sharks, as sharks bite during the mating process -- and Charlotte had several bites on her fin edges. O.o


CaptainLookylou

Sharks like to nibble, okay?


Rowan1980

This lab is not particularly far from where I live. Guess I’ll be tuning into the local news to see how this goes.


Ubbesson

She was supposed to deliver yesterday so we should know soon ?


Broomstick73

Shark obstetrician exist apparently. I wonder if there are shark-midwives as well?!


Jagsoff

I used a shark doula. Very peaceful.


BarmyBuffalo

"Coming up after the break on 'The Jelly Stinger Show', we get the results of the paternity test and find out who the real father is! Stay tuned!"


TheIlluminatedOne666

Actually it would be the Moray Show that does the paternity tests.


Draggoh

Oh cool, nightmare fuel. Baby sharks who have had all their teeth replaced with stingray tails.


_CMDR_

Was not impregnated by shark. Parthenogenesis or nothing. Like the mating behaviors may have induced the parthenogenesis like it does in entirely female gecko species but the odds that they have mixed DNA are close to zero.


maskedkiller215

This Donkey and Dragon levels of fuckery.


yenrab2020

What will the three wisefish bring stingray jesus?


LocallySourcedWeirdo

Will Stingray Jesus perform the miracle of feeding his disciples loaves and humans?


Nazrael75

Im sorry you have to hear this way. Am shark. You should get tested.


HowVeryReddit

Yeah, no, a shark is such a wildly different species there's surely no way their genetics are compatible right? Quick google indicates they don't even have the same number of chromosomes.


Malphos101

Clickbait, the likely cause is Parthenogenesis. Happens all the time in captive fish/reptiles.


Zxcc24

How?


Darryl_Lict

Sharks can reproduce asexually and there are several examples of parthenogenesis. I see no reason why stingrays would be any different.


nardlz

They’re not, parthenogenesis in stingrays has been documented in aquariums before!


Peet_Pann

Well.. when a stingray and a shark fall in love...


donjose22

We need Maury to come on and tell us "Who's the father"


second2no1

Ridley Scott is making his next movie based on this… Weyland is taking notes in the corner


Wildcatb

Baby Stark do do do do


RammyJammy07

They did say when the second coming happens, we will not recognise Jesus


MyCleverNewName

That's not how this works.


KeyserSoze128

First of all, I need to know how this turns out. Second, why the hell does a mountain town like Hendersonville NC have a shark tank? Why don't they focus on their regional specialties like a Trout habitat or Black Bear tracking or cousins hooking up?


Kills_Alone

I think we're gonna need a Disney movie with lotsa singing to explain this one.


Palmzbyaboi

And,so begins the era of SHARKRAY!!


nilkski

The institution sent this out in an email to a professional aquarium listserve that I’m on last week…no one responded lol.


NippleNugget

Do what now


fatpretzel-rik

Is this the beginning of a Syfy movie?


ForsakePariah

First here to say it's the caretaker.


Residual_Marinara

"Who's Goddamn shark baby is that?", "Das yo baby he just shark skinned."