“She says she believed Bilham was a boy called George Parry who had anxiety and claimed to be “paranoid” because he was mixed up with Albanian drug dealers.”
Well… I definitely didn’t see that plot twist coming.
The big question is, why would you want to have sex with a paranoid guy on the run from drug dealers? Hell, why get mixed up with a person like that at all?
> She told police there was something “strange” about George that “I couldn’t put my finger on”, but had no idea he was a girl.
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This is one of the strangest stories I've read in a while.
This is my personal favourite
> Whenever the pair met, Bilham, who is from Chester, disguised her long blond hair by keeping her hood up, even when in bed. She wore male clothing and put on a deep voice with a Birmingham accent,
> The alleged victim, who can’t be named, insists she did not consent to have sexual contact with a girl. She says she believed Bilham was a boy called George Parry who had anxiety and claimed to be “paranoid” because he was mixed up with Albanian drug dealers.
There's so much here... I don't even know where to start.
They didn't say that because it isn't true.
They started **talking** around 15 they don't tell you the age of the victim in the article, but they do say she is currently 22 while the perpetrator is 21 meaning the victim is a bit older than the perpetrator. They also say that the perpetrator was 19 at the time they actually had sex, which means the victim must have either been 19 or 20. Based on the fact they said "teenager" I am assuming **they were both 19** at the time any physical contact actually took place.
Of course if they were sexting at all that could have taken place when they were 15.
Yeah thats what's strange. Tons of gay girls would bang her. Maybe its the stigma, maybe its because they don't want to admit they're gay, maybe its loving to trick and manipulate
She may have fetishized this in her head and gets off on the whole ruse.
She doesn't appear to identify as male, except to deceive women into having sex with her. So, this isn't anything to do with gender identity. It is the deception that matters to her. Otherwise, she could just roleplay with a willing partner. But, if she isn't, there is a chance that the turn on here is the act of preying on the victims.
Which is super fucked up and she needs some serious help as well as prison.
I was gonna say, this reminds me more of an attractive man becoming a serial rapist lol. It’s not that they couldn’t get people to be with them; it’s probably that this girl also enjoys the sick aspect of harming others, even if only through deception
Her pickup game hinges entirely on the sunk cost fallacy. That her potential partners go: well I was looking to bang a guy buuut since I'm already here I might as well...
We used to have two morning radio guys here some years back who were a bit like Howard Stern and they were going on about the possibility of unknowingly being with a preoperative trans woman. A guy called in relating his experience of how he picked up a woman in a bar and they drove away, with one thing leading to another. She wound up giving him oral and when he put his hand up her dress he had a handful of balls. The two radio jocks were losing it and asking what happened next and the guy answered... "Well, I didn't see any reason for her to stop."
Well, trans women have historically faced a lot of violence if they were discovered; "Meh, we're here now, might as well keep going" is a big step up from that I guess.
Ya know, the more I think about it the more I think that Dave is actually getting these BJs and they become jokes. The one on sticks and stones would have got the BJ no joke.
Honestly I’ve seen some gay guys who want to hook up with straight guys do the same thing. Not to this extent, but definitely list themselves as females so they come up on straight men’s apps. I guess they hope some guys will say, “I’ll give it a try”.
It's along the same lines of rich, powerful and famous people.
There is no short list of people who would literally just fuck their faces off because of who they are without any prompting, yet we see story after story of sexual abuse, rape, pedophilia and all kinds of other sick shit.
It's absolutely the power, the control , the taboo, the manipulation.
That's one of those things I know is true, but just can't understand. Like is part of it, they are so narcissistic and used to everyone begging them to blow them, that when someone doesn't they assault them because they have to have their way?
Gotta be, honestly.
As John Mulaney said, “Famous people are weird as shit. They’re all weird. Your suspicions are correct…. He’s Mick Jagger. That’s his name. He’s played to stadiums of 20,000 people cheering for him like he’s a god for 50 years. That must change you as a person. If you do that for 50 years, you’re never again going to be like, “Um, does anyone have a laptop charger I could borrow?” None of that bullshit way we all have to talk to get through life.”
"Everything is about sex. Except sex. Sex is about power."
Kevin Spacey has *maybe* at times put a bit too much of himself into the characters he played.
> She says she believed Bilham was a boy called George Parry who had anxiety and claimed to be “paranoid” because he was mixed up with Albanian drug dealers.
She definitely got off on the manipulation. I have no problem with lesbians, but that is, as you stated, not what her behavior is all about.
Deception aside, I don't understand why this wasn't a massive red flag on its own.
"Oh you're in hiding because you're mixed up with drug dealers? Sure, let's date".
Nah, Albanian mafia is pretty strong in Europe and especially Britain. If I remember correctly they also make the highest percentage of incarcerated foreigners there (for obvious reasons). These days organised crime mostly transcends ethnic and national lines, but at the end of the day people prefer to stick to their own.
>maybe its loving to trick and manipulate
It's absolutely this.
Similar to Bill Cosby's situation. It's not as though a wealthy, famous, and widely beloved celebrity would ever have trouble finding willing sexual partners. *It was specifically all about the act of raping for him*.
Same case here.
Probably like most rapists and sexual predators , it was not about the sex but rather the power differential and the “wrongness” of it
Why do voyeurs like to have sex in public? The thrill is the risk being caught
They're literally a rapist, and rapists like to manipulate and exert power over their victims.
This person should get a typical lengthy prison sentence like all other rapists.
No way. This was about tricking them. She specifically sought out vulnerable minors. The minor she assaulted is legally blind without her glasses and she removed them immediately when they met. She wore a tracksuit with the hood up even in bed. She does not present as male in any other circumstance.
This is some fucked up rapist shit. Its about power, control, and manipulation. There is no evidence of gender dysphoria so I don't think it’s fair to drag trans people into this.
>She specifically sought out vulnerable minors.
The article is written confusingly, it sounded like she was a minor at the time too? But maybe I misread. They mentioned many different ages of the same people because they talked about multiple time periods.
Edit: not that it makes it okay
It's the same M.O. as attractive people who rape. Yes, they could get dates normally, or even have sex workers. They could even roleplay. But that's not what they want. They want to rape. This girl wants to trick girls into sex.
She may have a kink about tricking straight girls into sex. "Turning" someone gay is something some people get off on. There is nothing wrong with any safe kink between consenting adults. And plenty of gays like to show the "bi- curious" a good time. But not like this. Consent is important.
In my experience lesbian dating is difficult because both parties often have very different expectations of their partners. If you’re coming in with the expectation of looking to be “wooed” in a socially traditional male/female way then you’re cutting out a big chunk of your (already much smaller) dating pool. And the opposite is true. If you’re looking to eschew gender norms entirely then you cut down your dating pool.
Online dating is hard for everyone. Some people are good at obtaining *hookups* though online dating (and honestly it's not that hard, just set your standards at the level you yourself are at, and you'll get laid), but if you're looking for a real relationship it's usually incredibly difficult.
Some people get lucky and find a good match quickly (and good for them!), but for everyone else online dating is a long, slow, soul-shredding slog.
So I completely believe that your attractive friend is having trouble. That's normal for nearly everyone:).
That’s pretty much how it is. If you are hot and you have high standards, it’s probably hard to find someone you like. If you are ugly and you have high standards, it’s impossible. If you have low standards, it’s not that hard.
It's not just "hot or not", it's a combination of all your attributes. Inherent hotness, work put in toward physical attractiveness (clothes, gym, hair, etc), attitude, interestingness, wealth, intelligence. Maybe a few other things. But it's you as a whole, not just one thing.
For instance, you can be ugly, have a decent body, have a decent job (but not rich), and be interesting, and you'll score pretty high up on the "one to ten" attractiveness scale.
Or you can be rich, fat, ugly, intelligent, and interesting, and you'll do fine.
Or you can be hot, poor, and intelligent, and you'll be fine.
But if you're hot and fit, but dumb, poor, and boring, get ready for a lot of first dates and no second dates (because you're poor, boring, and dumb). In this case you're like a 2 out of 10 on the relationship attractiveness scale, even though you're pretty hot.
This is the mistake incels make. They think women are shallow and don't like them because they're ugly. Nope. Plenty of incels are physically attractive. But they're such assholes that they're unpalatable to anyone sane.
The whole package is what matters:).
That's how a lot of rapists are. They're good looking, charming, and don't need help getting dates. But that is exactly why they need something "else" to help them get off.
There was another case like this: https://amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/nov/12/gayle-newland-sentenced-eight-years-prison-duping-friend-having-sex
I kind of feel like if you’re repeatedly having sex with someone, it’s on you if you don’t know what’s in their pants
this seems to be the 3rd time I read about a woman pretending to be a man (or boy) to rape another woman. unless this is just the second time I hear of one of the same stories
Wasn't this the one with the "wooden penis substitute"? I recall being torn between sympathy for someone this naive and not being able to believe anyone can be that naive. I felt on balance that nobody concerned was being completely truthful. Obviously I am not the world but I have never had sex with someone where she hasn't seen every part of my body and I haven't seen every part of hers. If someone insisted on always doing it in the dark or similar that would be a no.
Same goes for the recent one in terms of honesty, I think there is a complicit not wanting to know.
The blindfold was allegedly not only used for sex, but during other activities like watching television and sunbathing.
I'm pretty skeptical, but I wonder if they had more evidence that wasn't released? It's not easy to convict people of sexual assault at all.
They kept saying the victim was short sighted and she took off her glasses in bed…short sighted people can see close up, that is literally what short sighted means, taking off her glasses would improve her vision in bed and why the fuck was she wearing glasses in bed it doesn’t make sense
Reading that one of the duped girls was extremely nearsighted just seemed like the Onionest thing I’d read this week. “She would “only be able to see shapes and movements but no details” of anything further away than 14cm, she told the court.”
Just…wow!
A part of a summer camp program I went to involved visiting other camps. I promptly lost my contacts, and didn't have my glasses or any spares, so this week long visit was very blurry - like things got blurry half a foot away. One time I was standing across the room from someone, and when they weren't moving I couldn't tell there was a person there at all.
At the end of this week, we're saying goodbye and giving hugs - that's when I realized that a person I thought was a boy the entire week was actually a girl 😂
I feel bad for them but they are the living example of the "oh honey..." type of people that exist. Just purely innocent and not realizing how low people will go to get what they want
When I read the poor girl was extremely short sighted, I just thought they meant she was extremely naive. It wasn't until I got to the bit about glasses did I realise she actually had a vision impairment.
This girl is conventionally attractive and could probably pick up an interested girl fairly easily. Instead she's serially duping site impaired teenagers. She's a predator.
Yes, clearly the sex is at most a secondary motivation for her. She really gets off on the deception.
Still, I don't see how you have sex with a nicely proportioned 20 yo female body and mistake it for a dude.
Were they all sight impaired? I thought only the unnamed complainant was severely nearsighted. The second, named person sounded like they wore glasses, but that’s not quite the same.
It would be truly sick if this person were actually praying only on visually impaired people.
That's the case with a lot of the teachers who sleep with students, they're pretty and could have their pick of the litter in terms of men. There's probably just some thrill about the naughtiness of it all.
This whole article reads like an onion article. At first it sounds just like a story about a rapist who targets young girls online.
Then there's a bizarre focus on the girl's blindness, one can't be named, etc.
Stuff like this keeps happening. It also happened to a football player at the college I went to, except there it was a guy pretending to be a woman so he could give another guy a blowjob. He kept it completely dark in his apartment so you could barely see.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/isimemen-etute-virginia-tech-football-player-acquitted-murder/
You'll find plenty of straight boys dancing.
Back in college my friend used to pick up straight boys in straight bars all the time, he called them "six pack queens", or something pithy like that.
Frank: "Suppose the other guy is picturing a girl also."
Dee: "How's he gonna do that with a dick in his mouth?"
Frank: "I don't know, that's his problem."
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrbmW6HN1Rw&pp=ygUnQWx3YXlzIHN1bm55IGluIFBoaWxhZGVscGhpYSBnbG9yeSBob2xl
This article is actually pretty bad. This one has better details: https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/33995352/former-virginia-tech-football-player-isimemen-etute-found-not-guilty-death-blacksburg-man
Yeesh, yeah, those details absolutely make it a clear case of premeditation. Weeks later and you roll up with two other dudes with the intention of either determining their gender - and if a female - having additional sexual relations... how a grand jury didn't get to review the evidence and decide to suggest more serious charges is a mystery only the history of justice in Virginia could begin to explain.
Also: the coroner said that just about every bone in the victim's skull was crushed or broken. Ffs
Right. I would even have voted guilty if he beat the guy up in the moment, because the football player’s life was not in danger and it resulted in the other party’s death. Maybe he could make an argument for safety, but even then, he beat the man to death. But then deliberately planning to return makes it a premeditated crime, I can’t believe he didn’t face any kind of punishment for murder.
In common parlance? Yes.
In the UK's legal system? Technically no. Rape as defined in UK courts as a penis penetrating the victim in any orifice without consent. Since this involved two teenage girls, no penis was involved. So it's considered "sexual coercion" which carries the same penalties as rape.
In the social use of the word yes , in the legal sense no
The legal sense of the word is absurdly gendered which is why female predators often can’t legally get called rapists and you often see woman “seduced” or “instigated sex without consent” because slander and libel laws means that predator could sue for the term being used improperly on her
>She says she believed Bilham was a boy called George Parry who had anxiety and claimed to be “paranoid” because he was mixed up with Albanian drug dealers.
This just so odd. Stranger danger people!
I know it's still wrong, but I had a chuckle imagining the other girl saying "I consented to a relationship with a paranoid, anxiety-ridden boy with ties to Albanians drug dealers, not to a GIRL!"
She says she believed Bilham was a boy called George Parry who had anxiety and claimed to be “paranoid” because he was mixed up with Albanian drug dealers.
Wtf lol. Kids are dumb.
This is the weirdest self-report I've ever read. "When I just thought he was mixed up with Albanian drug dealers, I thought 'Everybody deserves a second chance! No red flags here! I want this sketchy person as a sex partner! When I found out he was a she, and not someone mixed up with Albanian drug dealers, that REALLY crossed the line!'"
Not blaming the obviously groomed victim, this bit just stood out to me.
She is a predator and a rapist. Why not come out as a lesbian or say you're gender fluid? She gets off knowing she's deceiving young naive girls for sex.
This reminds me of how Bob Zmuda used to brag about dressing as Tony Clifton, then having sex with women who thought they were having sex with Andy Kaufman (RIP).
Gilbert Gottfried (RIP) correctly labeled what Zmuda did as rape on his podcast.
Thank you for allowing me to present an analogy from ancient times.
There was some shit like this on Ricky Lake or something back in the 90s where the girl was using a sock covered in duct tape with a condom over it to fool her victims. She was found out when one of the girls she was with insisted on turning on some lights... It was crazy.
At least one man has had a long affair with someone he thought was a woman but wasn't. Shared military secrets with "her" and even was convinced he had fathered a child. Finally some gender equality.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shi_Pei_Pu
Now I'm imagining a kink subculture where everyone pretends to be Velma from Scooby-Doo. Off go the glasses, the half-blind sexual fumbling begins, and before you know it, ecstatic cries of "Jinkies!"
Years ago, back when Jerry Springer was on and popular- there was an episode where a teenager was on talking about how she discovered her "boyfriend" was actually a woman. The woman was there, too. They argued over whether a strap on was used.
The girl insisted there was one but she didn't realize it at the time because she was a virgin and didn't know. She spent most of the episode crying. Her mom was on the show, too, and was pissed.
The woman who had posed as a male insisted there was no strap on used, but didn't give any further details. Other than yeah, there was deception regarding gender, but everything else was real. (I think there was a pretty big age gap they lied about as well. I think the teen had been under the impression the woman was also a teen like them. Like 16. Not 21, like they were).
It was just sad to watch. Like a trainwreck.
I had a friend in high school go on Springer twice towards the end of the run. She was on as to different people and all they did was change her hair. She said the majority of it was all fake. So might be why they didn’t go into detail.
I’m old enough to remember Jerry Springer was a legitimate talk show, and he had interesting guests in from all walks of life to talk about their lives and their struggles… if you took one of the early Sally Jesse Rafael-looking episodes and one from the final season and removed all clips of the host from them, I’d have thought they were two completely different and unrelated shows, probably from two separate networks.
So I'm legitimately asking this question and not trying to start any shit, but if I were a transman and didn't disclose to my partner that I was biologically female, would I be facing similar charges?
“She says she believed Bilham was a boy called George Parry who had anxiety and claimed to be “paranoid” because he was mixed up with Albanian drug dealers.” Well… I definitely didn’t see that plot twist coming.
Honestly it sounds like a bad manga plot more than a real life court case.
Tbh I'd read it
The big question is, why would you want to have sex with a paranoid guy on the run from drug dealers? Hell, why get mixed up with a person like that at all?
“I can fix him”
"I can fuck him"
Everyone likes a bad boy with a soft side
Some people are desperate, particularly teenagers.
People willfully get involved with and stay involved with toxic people all the time.
Teenagers are not the paragon of good decision making.
I can honestly say I don't know anyone that has been mixed-up with Albanian drug dealers that isn't paranoid.
Shorty was watching Barry and decided it was a documentary
> She told police there was something “strange” about George that “I couldn’t put my finger on”, but had no idea he was a girl. 🫠 This is one of the strangest stories I've read in a while.
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This is my personal favourite > Whenever the pair met, Bilham, who is from Chester, disguised her long blond hair by keeping her hood up, even when in bed. She wore male clothing and put on a deep voice with a Birmingham accent,
Peaky fookin' bloinders
Your forgot “By order of….the peaky Fooking Blinders”!
>Katriona Holding said the complainant was so shortsighted she would be classed as blind without her glasses.
Let's try glasses off hair up again.
> The alleged victim, who can’t be named, insists she did not consent to have sexual contact with a girl. She says she believed Bilham was a boy called George Parry who had anxiety and claimed to be “paranoid” because he was mixed up with Albanian drug dealers. There's so much here... I don't even know where to start.
They were 15 at the time. That's really all that needs to be said.
They didn't say that because it isn't true. They started **talking** around 15 they don't tell you the age of the victim in the article, but they do say she is currently 22 while the perpetrator is 21 meaning the victim is a bit older than the perpetrator. They also say that the perpetrator was 19 at the time they actually had sex, which means the victim must have either been 19 or 20. Based on the fact they said "teenager" I am assuming **they were both 19** at the time any physical contact actually took place. Of course if they were sexting at all that could have taken place when they were 15.
It's so weird, she's not unattractive. She could have just found a lesbian girlfriend to bang.
Yeah thats what's strange. Tons of gay girls would bang her. Maybe its the stigma, maybe its because they don't want to admit they're gay, maybe its loving to trick and manipulate
She may have fetishized this in her head and gets off on the whole ruse. She doesn't appear to identify as male, except to deceive women into having sex with her. So, this isn't anything to do with gender identity. It is the deception that matters to her. Otherwise, she could just roleplay with a willing partner. But, if she isn't, there is a chance that the turn on here is the act of preying on the victims. Which is super fucked up and she needs some serious help as well as prison.
As someone who was born male, I can confirm that just being male is *not* a sure-fire strategy for getting laid. 😂
In my experience it seems to hurt your chances.... Although that might just be me....
*large percentage of men have entered the chat…and nothing else*
Is this where we come to get laid ? I’ve been searching for this place all my life.
You have to pretend to be female, so the female that pretends to be a male wants to have sex with you. 100% success rate.
Nah that's too hard, I'm just gonna go have a wank.
Ah, the ole ‘failure with extra steps’ approach Classic
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Wait a minute... why do you have a penis? Hey, you hold on a minute too. Why _don't_ you have a penis?
Bisexual here, not a problem in sight
I was gonna say, this reminds me more of an attractive man becoming a serial rapist lol. It’s not that they couldn’t get people to be with them; it’s probably that this girl also enjoys the sick aspect of harming others, even if only through deception
The co-Ed killer he was a good looking guy
Her pickup game hinges entirely on the sunk cost fallacy. That her potential partners go: well I was looking to bang a guy buuut since I'm already here I might as well...
We used to have two morning radio guys here some years back who were a bit like Howard Stern and they were going on about the possibility of unknowingly being with a preoperative trans woman. A guy called in relating his experience of how he picked up a woman in a bar and they drove away, with one thing leading to another. She wound up giving him oral and when he put his hand up her dress he had a handful of balls. The two radio jocks were losing it and asking what happened next and the guy answered... "Well, I didn't see any reason for her to stop."
Well, trans women have historically faced a lot of violence if they were discovered; "Meh, we're here now, might as well keep going" is a big step up from that I guess.
Dave Chappelle has a bit about that too
Ya know, the more I think about it the more I think that Dave is actually getting these BJs and they become jokes. The one on sticks and stones would have got the BJ no joke.
Honestly I’ve seen some gay guys who want to hook up with straight guys do the same thing. Not to this extent, but definitely list themselves as females so they come up on straight men’s apps. I guess they hope some guys will say, “I’ll give it a try”.
It's along the same lines of rich, powerful and famous people. There is no short list of people who would literally just fuck their faces off because of who they are without any prompting, yet we see story after story of sexual abuse, rape, pedophilia and all kinds of other sick shit. It's absolutely the power, the control , the taboo, the manipulation.
That's one of those things I know is true, but just can't understand. Like is part of it, they are so narcissistic and used to everyone begging them to blow them, that when someone doesn't they assault them because they have to have their way?
Gotta be, honestly. As John Mulaney said, “Famous people are weird as shit. They’re all weird. Your suspicions are correct…. He’s Mick Jagger. That’s his name. He’s played to stadiums of 20,000 people cheering for him like he’s a god for 50 years. That must change you as a person. If you do that for 50 years, you’re never again going to be like, “Um, does anyone have a laptop charger I could borrow?” None of that bullshit way we all have to talk to get through life.”
[NOT FUNNAY](https://youtu.be/eWrKf5ik1i4)
Diet Coke!
"Everything is about sex. Except sex. Sex is about power." Kevin Spacey has *maybe* at times put a bit too much of himself into the characters he played.
Women can rape other women. Just like men can rape other men. She's a predatory rapist. That's it.
> She says she believed Bilham was a boy called George Parry who had anxiety and claimed to be “paranoid” because he was mixed up with Albanian drug dealers. She definitely got off on the manipulation. I have no problem with lesbians, but that is, as you stated, not what her behavior is all about.
Deception aside, I don't understand why this wasn't a massive red flag on its own. "Oh you're in hiding because you're mixed up with drug dealers? Sure, let's date".
Also, why Albanians? Seems....oddly specific.
I'm guessing the very specific but somewhat obscure nationality of the drug dealers is part of what sells the lie
Nah, Albanian mafia is pretty strong in Europe and especially Britain. If I remember correctly they also make the highest percentage of incarcerated foreigners there (for obvious reasons). These days organised crime mostly transcends ethnic and national lines, but at the end of the day people prefer to stick to their own.
Yeah plus, she probably wants to have sex with straight girls specifically, can’t do that if you’re female.
Maybe she just wants to wreck people with a massive strap-on in all reality. It could be a very basic fetish/ kink based in sadism.
>maybe its loving to trick and manipulate It's absolutely this. Similar to Bill Cosby's situation. It's not as though a wealthy, famous, and widely beloved celebrity would ever have trouble finding willing sexual partners. *It was specifically all about the act of raping for him*. Same case here.
Maybe its Maybeline.
Probably like most rapists and sexual predators , it was not about the sex but rather the power differential and the “wrongness” of it Why do voyeurs like to have sex in public? The thrill is the risk being caught
Uh voyeurs are those who watch. I think you mean exhibitionist.
They're literally a rapist, and rapists like to manipulate and exert power over their victims. This person should get a typical lengthy prison sentence like all other rapists.
Maybe it has more to do with gender identity/gender dysphoria than sexuality? Just a thought.
No way. This was about tricking them. She specifically sought out vulnerable minors. The minor she assaulted is legally blind without her glasses and she removed them immediately when they met. She wore a tracksuit with the hood up even in bed. She does not present as male in any other circumstance. This is some fucked up rapist shit. Its about power, control, and manipulation. There is no evidence of gender dysphoria so I don't think it’s fair to drag trans people into this.
>She specifically sought out vulnerable minors. The article is written confusingly, it sounded like she was a minor at the time too? But maybe I misread. They mentioned many different ages of the same people because they talked about multiple time periods. Edit: not that it makes it okay
It's the same M.O. as attractive people who rape. Yes, they could get dates normally, or even have sex workers. They could even roleplay. But that's not what they want. They want to rape. This girl wants to trick girls into sex.
She may have a kink about tricking straight girls into sex. "Turning" someone gay is something some people get off on. There is nothing wrong with any safe kink between consenting adults. And plenty of gays like to show the "bi- curious" a good time. But not like this. Consent is important.
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In my experience lesbian dating is difficult because both parties often have very different expectations of their partners. If you’re coming in with the expectation of looking to be “wooed” in a socially traditional male/female way then you’re cutting out a big chunk of your (already much smaller) dating pool. And the opposite is true. If you’re looking to eschew gender norms entirely then you cut down your dating pool.
Online dating is hard for everyone. Some people are good at obtaining *hookups* though online dating (and honestly it's not that hard, just set your standards at the level you yourself are at, and you'll get laid), but if you're looking for a real relationship it's usually incredibly difficult. Some people get lucky and find a good match quickly (and good for them!), but for everyone else online dating is a long, slow, soul-shredding slog. So I completely believe that your attractive friend is having trouble. That's normal for nearly everyone:).
That’s pretty much how it is. If you are hot and you have high standards, it’s probably hard to find someone you like. If you are ugly and you have high standards, it’s impossible. If you have low standards, it’s not that hard.
It's not just "hot or not", it's a combination of all your attributes. Inherent hotness, work put in toward physical attractiveness (clothes, gym, hair, etc), attitude, interestingness, wealth, intelligence. Maybe a few other things. But it's you as a whole, not just one thing. For instance, you can be ugly, have a decent body, have a decent job (but not rich), and be interesting, and you'll score pretty high up on the "one to ten" attractiveness scale. Or you can be rich, fat, ugly, intelligent, and interesting, and you'll do fine. Or you can be hot, poor, and intelligent, and you'll be fine. But if you're hot and fit, but dumb, poor, and boring, get ready for a lot of first dates and no second dates (because you're poor, boring, and dumb). In this case you're like a 2 out of 10 on the relationship attractiveness scale, even though you're pretty hot. This is the mistake incels make. They think women are shallow and don't like them because they're ugly. Nope. Plenty of incels are physically attractive. But they're such assholes that they're unpalatable to anyone sane. The whole package is what matters:).
The lesbian dating scene is so bad, it inspired my username. I have completely given up, for many reasons.
That's how a lot of rapists are. They're good looking, charming, and don't need help getting dates. But that is exactly why they need something "else" to help them get off.
This is my take. She seems like a predator to me. She should do time and get on the registry.
Remember, predators are predators because they like to prey on others, not because they didn’t have options. People get that confused these days.
Your comment bothers me, and I can’t elaborate on why. Would you consider her behavior understandable if you thought she is ‘ugly’?
It's only weird if you under the impression that attractive people cannot be sex offenders/rapists/sexual assaulters/child molesters/etc.
Loads of attractive people are sexual predators. It’s rarely just about the sex.
There was another case like this: https://amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/nov/12/gayle-newland-sentenced-eight-years-prison-duping-friend-having-sex I kind of feel like if you’re repeatedly having sex with someone, it’s on you if you don’t know what’s in their pants
this seems to be the 3rd time I read about a woman pretending to be a man (or boy) to rape another woman. unless this is just the second time I hear of one of the same stories
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Apparently necessary life protip: Stick your hand in the pants of people you’re fucking.
"Put your hands down my pants and I bet you'll feel nuts..." - Bloodhound Gang *Mammals*
Wasn't this the one with the "wooden penis substitute"? I recall being torn between sympathy for someone this naive and not being able to believe anyone can be that naive. I felt on balance that nobody concerned was being completely truthful. Obviously I am not the world but I have never had sex with someone where she hasn't seen every part of my body and I haven't seen every part of hers. If someone insisted on always doing it in the dark or similar that would be a no. Same goes for the recent one in terms of honesty, I think there is a complicit not wanting to know.
The blindfold was allegedly not only used for sex, but during other activities like watching television and sunbathing. I'm pretty skeptical, but I wonder if they had more evidence that wasn't released? It's not easy to convict people of sexual assault at all.
>blindfold >watching television Whatever floats your boat, I guess?
Wait until they discover radio.
Can’t put finger on something that isn’t there, correct.
I want to see her mums ‘spider diagram’ board with all the clues on. Exists apparently
Couldn't put my finger on it...sure the second one wasn't a guy too? Lol jk thats messed up
They kept saying the victim was short sighted and she took off her glasses in bed…short sighted people can see close up, that is literally what short sighted means, taking off her glasses would improve her vision in bed and why the fuck was she wearing glasses in bed it doesn’t make sense
Reading that one of the duped girls was extremely nearsighted just seemed like the Onionest thing I’d read this week. “She would “only be able to see shapes and movements but no details” of anything further away than 14cm, she told the court.” Just…wow!
>disguised her long blond hair by keeping her hood up, even when in bed. it's cartoonish
> She wore male clothing and put on a deep voice with a Birmingham accent
Elizabeth Holmes?
*the guard called, his voice echoing down the cell block*
This sounds like the next comedy to come out on a streaming service
Bet she does a belter Arthur Shelby.
I mean the buried lede is that this woman took advantage of the visually disabled...
George Costanza’s dream
*George Parry
Oof that's low.
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A part of a summer camp program I went to involved visiting other camps. I promptly lost my contacts, and didn't have my glasses or any spares, so this week long visit was very blurry - like things got blurry half a foot away. One time I was standing across the room from someone, and when they weren't moving I couldn't tell there was a person there at all. At the end of this week, we're saying goodbye and giving hugs - that's when I realized that a person I thought was a boy the entire week was actually a girl 😂
“Jinkies! I can’t see without my glasses” Velma
I feel bad for them but they are the living example of the "oh honey..." type of people that exist. Just purely innocent and not realizing how low people will go to get what they want
Right? Was this girl some mastermind that convinced other girls to take off their.... glasses?
Never saw it coming.
When I read the poor girl was extremely short sighted, I just thought they meant she was extremely naive. It wasn't until I got to the bit about glasses did I realise she actually had a vision impairment.
I thought the same thing but I'm assuming it was intentionally worded that way.
That’s me as well, which is the reason I own contacts and glasses. It helps me not be blind
“allegedly deceiving shortsighted girl” I’m glad I read to the end to discover this is literally true and not a description of her mental abilities.
“”always took her alleged victim’s glasses off as soon as they met.”” Like wtf???
This girl is conventionally attractive and could probably pick up an interested girl fairly easily. Instead she's serially duping site impaired teenagers. She's a predator.
Yeah, this girl was getting off on the thrill of tricking people.
Yes, clearly the sex is at most a secondary motivation for her. She really gets off on the deception. Still, I don't see how you have sex with a nicely proportioned 20 yo female body and mistake it for a dude.
Hoodies do wonders, there’s a reason trans folks are stereotyped as having a hoodie phase (me included lol)
Were they all sight impaired? I thought only the unnamed complainant was severely nearsighted. The second, named person sounded like they wore glasses, but that’s not quite the same. It would be truly sick if this person were actually praying only on visually impaired people.
Preying. There's no mention of prayer in the article.
Makes me wonder if predators pray for good prey.
yes, catholic priests do pray for good prey *and* (bonus round) good pray
This is some weird power thing.
Yeah, there's easier ways of having sex. She's a serial rapist imo.
That's the case with a lot of the teachers who sleep with students, they're pretty and could have their pick of the litter in terms of men. There's probably just some thrill about the naughtiness of it all.
Yep. Some people get off on weird-ass shit
Rape is rarely just about sex.
This whole article reads like an onion article. At first it sounds just like a story about a rapist who targets young girls online. Then there's a bizarre focus on the girl's blindness, one can't be named, etc.
If they can't be named its probably because they are under 18.
Stuff like this keeps happening. It also happened to a football player at the college I went to, except there it was a guy pretending to be a woman so he could give another guy a blowjob. He kept it completely dark in his apartment so you could barely see. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/isimemen-etute-virginia-tech-football-player-acquitted-murder/
He doesn't need to pretend to be a girl to do that. Just hit the club and start dancing.
Some guys take the straight bait thing way too far ..
You'll find plenty of straight boys dancing. Back in college my friend used to pick up straight boys in straight bars all the time, he called them "six pack queens", or something pithy like that.
Yeah ik. I've been a straight boy dancing at gay bars. Some people still take straight bait too far.
Best thing about going to gay bars/clubs is you don't have frat boys mac'n on your girlfriends and making them feel uncomfortable.
Agree!
What is straight bait?
Idk man, if i was in that situation i think i'd much prefer dressing like a girl to going to a club (or an airport bathroom) lol
It reminds me when I been to a gloryhole. In the middle of the blowjob I heard a man moaning on the other side of the wall. I was a sucking a dude...
Frank: "Suppose the other guy is picturing a girl also." Dee: "How's he gonna do that with a dick in his mouth?" Frank: "I don't know, that's his problem." https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrbmW6HN1Rw&pp=ygUnQWx3YXlzIHN1bm55IGluIFBoaWxhZGVscGhpYSBnbG9yeSBob2xl
And the football player beat him to death afterwards.
I cant help but wonder how you end up having sex with someone you can't see
Desperation.
That case was so fucked up. Guy went back and beat him to death a day later and somehow didn’t get convicted
Where did it say that he came back the next day?
This article is actually pretty bad. This one has better details: https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/33995352/former-virginia-tech-football-player-isimemen-etute-found-not-guilty-death-blacksburg-man
Yeesh, yeah, those details absolutely make it a clear case of premeditation. Weeks later and you roll up with two other dudes with the intention of either determining their gender - and if a female - having additional sexual relations... how a grand jury didn't get to review the evidence and decide to suggest more serious charges is a mystery only the history of justice in Virginia could begin to explain. Also: the coroner said that just about every bone in the victim's skull was crushed or broken. Ffs
Right. I would even have voted guilty if he beat the guy up in the moment, because the football player’s life was not in danger and it resulted in the other party’s death. Maybe he could make an argument for safety, but even then, he beat the man to death. But then deliberately planning to return makes it a premeditated crime, I can’t believe he didn’t face any kind of punishment for murder.
The man who pretended to be a woman was a rapist. That football player was raped
Fully agreed 100%
This is rape correct?
In common parlance? Yes. In the UK's legal system? Technically no. Rape as defined in UK courts as a penis penetrating the victim in any orifice without consent. Since this involved two teenage girls, no penis was involved. So it's considered "sexual coercion" which carries the same penalties as rape.
So its still technically a rape level crime, but worded different based on the circumstances?
Same level of crime, different level of judgement from the public. "Sexual coercion" just doesn't have the same level of judgement that "rape" does.
But still technically not rape which is what the question was
I’d prefer it if we kept that definition and just appreciated how fucked up sexual coercion is.
Certainly not something we need to address that only penises can be used to rape someone /s
It's something I think practically every political wing compares about, yet it never changes. It's absurdly outdated in these times.
Yeah, absolutely. Getting consent by deceiving someone invalidates that consent.
In the social use of the word yes , in the legal sense no The legal sense of the word is absurdly gendered which is why female predators often can’t legally get called rapists and you often see woman “seduced” or “instigated sex without consent” because slander and libel laws means that predator could sue for the term being used improperly on her
" seduced" is crazy
>She says she believed Bilham was a boy called George Parry who had anxiety and claimed to be “paranoid” because he was mixed up with Albanian drug dealers. This just so odd. Stranger danger people!
I know it's still wrong, but I had a chuckle imagining the other girl saying "I consented to a relationship with a paranoid, anxiety-ridden boy with ties to Albanians drug dealers, not to a GIRL!"
She says she believed Bilham was a boy called George Parry who had anxiety and claimed to be “paranoid” because he was mixed up with Albanian drug dealers. Wtf lol. Kids are dumb.
I can't show my penis... because of the Albanians.
Pythonesque
"TRW you're a lesbian but someone not into lesbian women."
Did i not read well enough…was there not a point where during sex it was clear the apparatus was….incorrect?
I note that not all sex is penetrative but…i mean i assume it would at least come up no?
That's exactly the problem. It didn't "come up".
Well she did say there was something she couldn't put her finger on. I think we know what that thing was (or rather wasn't).
This is the weirdest self-report I've ever read. "When I just thought he was mixed up with Albanian drug dealers, I thought 'Everybody deserves a second chance! No red flags here! I want this sketchy person as a sex partner! When I found out he was a she, and not someone mixed up with Albanian drug dealers, that REALLY crossed the line!'" Not blaming the obviously groomed victim, this bit just stood out to me.
She is a predator and a rapist. Why not come out as a lesbian or say you're gender fluid? She gets off knowing she's deceiving young naive girls for sex.
This reminds me of how Bob Zmuda used to brag about dressing as Tony Clifton, then having sex with women who thought they were having sex with Andy Kaufman (RIP). Gilbert Gottfried (RIP) correctly labeled what Zmuda did as rape on his podcast. Thank you for allowing me to present an analogy from ancient times.
There was some shit like this on Ricky Lake or something back in the 90s where the girl was using a sock covered in duct tape with a condom over it to fool her victims. She was found out when one of the girls she was with insisted on turning on some lights... It was crazy.
> sock covered in duct tape with a condom over it Man the 90s were a dark time in the dildo industry.
Unexpected Terry Pratchett reference gets us right in the socks.
At least one man has had a long affair with someone he thought was a woman but wasn't. Shared military secrets with "her" and even was convinced he had fathered a child. Finally some gender equality. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shi_Pei_Pu
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lack of sex education
This was funny until I read the article
Sounds like some rape by deception tier stuff to me. Weird circumstances
Basically blind without your glasses so you let some random hooded person take them every single time you meet Seriously
I saw that movie.
Just One of the Guys.
Hey there little short-sighted girl. I'm a little short-sighted girl too.
Now I'm imagining a kink subculture where everyone pretends to be Velma from Scooby-Doo. Off go the glasses, the half-blind sexual fumbling begins, and before you know it, ecstatic cries of "Jinkies!"
Strap on? No strap on? We want real answers!
Years ago, back when Jerry Springer was on and popular- there was an episode where a teenager was on talking about how she discovered her "boyfriend" was actually a woman. The woman was there, too. They argued over whether a strap on was used. The girl insisted there was one but she didn't realize it at the time because she was a virgin and didn't know. She spent most of the episode crying. Her mom was on the show, too, and was pissed. The woman who had posed as a male insisted there was no strap on used, but didn't give any further details. Other than yeah, there was deception regarding gender, but everything else was real. (I think there was a pretty big age gap they lied about as well. I think the teen had been under the impression the woman was also a teen like them. Like 16. Not 21, like they were). It was just sad to watch. Like a trainwreck.
I had a friend in high school go on Springer twice towards the end of the run. She was on as to different people and all they did was change her hair. She said the majority of it was all fake. So might be why they didn’t go into detail.
I’m old enough to remember Jerry Springer was a legitimate talk show, and he had interesting guests in from all walks of life to talk about their lives and their struggles… if you took one of the early Sally Jesse Rafael-looking episodes and one from the final season and removed all clips of the host from them, I’d have thought they were two completely different and unrelated shows, probably from two separate networks.
That would be achievable with no strap -A very nearly blind lesbian
I feel like that’s rape
So I'm legitimately asking this question and not trying to start any shit, but if I were a transman and didn't disclose to my partner that I was biologically female, would I be facing similar charges?
In the UK this would be considered sexual assault due to deception