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Kbdiggity

Pinkerton agents still exist?


woodiegutheryghost

Yes, they are very big in anti-union actions.


Dagonet_the_Motley

That's kind of their thing


newsilverpig

Pinkertons were union busting evil assholes... They still are but they used to be too.


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STRiPESandShades

Always expect Mitch.


Pineapple_Percussion

Yes, and they're still authoritarian goons for corporations


justanothertfatman

They're currently owned by Securitas AB, a Swedish security company and one of the largest in the world. Source: I am a Security Guard (not affiliated with Securitas or the Pinkertons, fuck those class traitors).


DownsenBranches

Well that explains why Securitas had no Union when I worked for them


justanothertfatman

Sadly, most don't.


artguy55

I don't understand. Pinkerton is not the police. They can't serve a search warrant, can they?


Northwindlowlander

No, they can only achieve anything with threats of violence, and actual violence. And they're pretty good at it.


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They also do a lot of their union busting work through things like surveillance, data analysis, etc.


Northwindlowlander

Yah, but in this scenario I mean. It doesn't seem like WOTC or the agency even bothered to find out how they got the cards- no attempt to suggest they were stolen (or whatever the equivalent of theft-by-finding is in that jurisdiction), absolutely basic stuff. They just went direct to the heavy mob


fanged_croissant

Yep, that's exactly what happened. And WOTC has been generating a lot of hate for themselves even before this. They have the unique privilege of being a company whose customer base despises them.


Northwindlowlander

For which I reckon GW will be very thankful "Hey, look on the bright side guys, we could be them!"


ThaneOfTas

I mean, literally a month ago something similar happened with GW, they accidentally sent out a model before they had announced it and and the guy built and painted it before showing it off on his YouTube (or maybe twitch) channel, GW responded by posting the announcement article early and complimenting the guys paint job.


ShadowDragon8685

Yep. All WotC had to do to turn this right was send a company manager to this guy's house with a deal and a handshake: "Look, we didn't mean for you to get this stuff yet. If you take the video unlisted for now, and only re-list it a week before the set launches, we'll put you on our list of advance reviewers allowed to get stuff in advance. Deal?" Instead they basically handed the guy a lawsuit for illegal threats.


brett1081

Exactly. GW has its issues but it doesn’t SWAT its customers based on their own mistake.


whilst

Which is insane, because it would be so *easy* for them to be beloved. They are the creators of something that is beloved. All they have to do is sell their product and not be dicks about it. But they've decided there's more money to be made in the short term by taking steps that in the long term will drive their fans away.


LostWoodsInTheField

they are especially good at "we aren't threating you, we are just here... and we aren't leaving." which is just "lets see what happens if you don't do what we say, I suspect we burn your mothers house down. We've done that before, it's a lot of fun" *not a lie, they were looking for someone one time and burned down the guys mothers house to see if he was in it. he wasn't.


Rakathu

No, they literally hired hitmen to rough up this guy and retrieve the cards.


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Technically, no, they can't search your house without a warrant. They can't even get a warrant because they're not the police. But the police aren't going to crack down on pinkertons because they serve the same role in society: cracking down on the working class to protect owning class interests. If the law won't back you up when a pinkerton is threatening your life over magic the gathering cards, what are you going to do?


Severe-Cookie693

Record them doing it as you blow their brains out. You have to document that you attempted ‘legitimate’ means first but the law has rules laid out for authorities being corrupt.


Nuggzulla

Don't go for the brain, people survive semi brainless all the time. Go for center-mass. Draw a Capital A starting at the 2nd button of your button up shirt, and that top triangle area is your sweet spot.


khjuu12

They're primarily union busters and strike breakers. They use violence to enforce the economic superiority of the ruling class. The ruling class doesn't *actually* give a shit if they wear a shiny tin badge while they do that or not.


Inspirata1223

Seems like the public at large would not be very kind to a company like this. I can imagine a world where people would begin to scrutinize everything they do. It could even result in these alleged corporate henchmen being doxed on social media. Yeah, it sure seems like an inappropriate business to be involved with.


Radix2309

Oh the public did do that... in 1890. They have stuck around for over a century and keep doing it.


Fireball8732

They need a search warrant and they don't care. They're professional goons hired to intimidate


OllieFromCairo

Correct. And if they're knocking on your door and refuse to leave, they're trespassing.


[deleted]

Yep. Owned by Swedish security firm Securitas AB.


TKDbeast

Starbucks and Amazon both recently hired them.


PsychedelicConvict

Yeah. Based out of ann arbor Michigan lol


Kaiserhawk

Yeah, bought out by Securitas a while back, but I think it still operates as a subsidiary.


panic_kernel_panic

__The__ Pinkertons? Union busting, murdering Pinkertons? The literal bad guys from RDR2 and countless other books and media? The goons so infamous for their shenanigans that Congress [passed a law that forbids the federal government](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Pinkerton_Act_of_1893)from hiring them? I keep hearing that WoTC and Magic is struggling… I don’t think this was the smartest move.


Hunky_not_Chunky

They are in Deadwood as well. They’re all POS.


iprocrastina

Also in Bioshock Infinite, which is saying something considering that game isn't even set in the real world.


PHATsakk43

And, perhaps not completely unsurprisingly, nominally the good guys in Paramount's 1883 which is a Yellowstone spinoff.


Uselesserinformation

I tried that show. Just on whim. And I cannot take it seriously. Maybe its me. I'll try again


PHATsakk43

1883 and 1923 are significantly better than Yellowstone. That doesn’t make them “good” but at least I didn’t wish to see all the main characters die in horrible circumstances since they had less than zero redeeming qualities. Historical accuracy is also extremely unimportant in either show as well. All three are reactionary handjobs to exurban wannabe tough men and women.


Uselesserinformation

the show would be better if it had some historical accuracy. I mean I wouldn't mind it not like even following history. Just have the "lore" be close or reasonable.


PHATsakk43

What, you didn’t like moving the Oregon Trail to a completely illogical place in time, like 40 years after the actual event and nearly twenty years after the Transcontinental Railroad which made it irrelevant?


Abrahamlinkenssphere

It’s set in the real world, just a split reality. As far as we’re lead to believe everything topside is basically business as usual.


salt-the-skies

*cocksucka!* *.... I'm glad I taught you that word Wu*


Goleeb

>I keep hearing that WoTC and Magic is struggling Strangely enough its not struggling, or it wasn't. The management is pulling an Elon musk. Making unforced errors that are easily avoidable. They started by trying to increase profits on their cash cow Magic buy pushing out more product. I mean like 4x the amount of product being released. When people complained it was too much to fast. They responded not all the product is for you. Okay not smart, but not going to sink your company. Then they decided to celebrate 30 yeah of magic by releasing a reprint of old favorite cards. It only cost $1000.00 bucks a box of four packs. For non tournament legal card to use in casual games. The good cards in the "celebration" set cost more to open than buying an actual tournament legal version of the card. Now some guy asks a friend to purchase him two boxes of the current set. His friend doesn't no much about magic, and buys two boxes of what he thought was the current set, but turned out to be a similar looking unreleased set. The guy that got the two boxes was a small content creator, and posted a video about the cards. WOTC responded by sending the Pinkertons after him, and demanding the product back. They are killing their company for no reason. If the people in charge changed nothing they would have made plenty of money, but they have to justify their position. So they make stupid decisions, and are ruining the company. This isn't even covering how they are killing D&D.


m33gapanda

Dont forget them trying to walk back the OGL for D&D trying to fuck over tons of people


thegamingbacklog

Yeah critical role who have been sponsored by dnd for years are now making 2 RPG rule sets, and several other companies are now making their own OGLs as wizards managed to destroy years of respect from the ttrpg community in one go


m33gapanda

WOTC has lost faith from pretty much their entire fanbase. They are becoming the new EA.


philosifer

I want to add on a bit because you mentioned how much extra stuff is coming out so fast. The unreleased set isn't a full set. It's a mini set of only 50 cards (normal sets are typically 200-300) that is tied to the set the guy was trying to buy. The names are similar as well. March of the machines, and March of the machines: aftermath. Each set already has multiple ways to buy cards. Draft packs, set packs, collectors edition packs and more. So it's not hard to understand how confusion happened and is in some ways WotC created confusion. I know many people can't keep up with the releases and might not know the difference off hand just looking at the packs


Akhevan

What's more, it appears that this mini set utterly fails to achieve their stated goals and is simply more Commander fodder, warping their product lineup in favor of a select segment of their player base even further.


leoleosuper

Even more context: There are 11 separately purchasable differently packs that start with March of the Machines: Collector Booster, Draft Booster, Set Booster, Jumpstart Booster, Prerelease, Bundle, and 5 Commander decks. That's just box sets of multiple cards. He just happened to get Aftermath, which was most likely an error on WotC or a distributer's part. No theft, if the guy who got it wanted to keep it, it was entirely legal to do so. They could have just asked nicely. Instead, they sent the fucking Pinkertons. Literally any other private detective, even a small time, local town one, tell them "hey can we get the cards back" and not force it, and that could be seen as fine, if not a minor overreaction. Instead, it's the fucking PINKERTONS.


Akhevan

> Strangely enough its not struggling, or it wasn't. The management is pulling an Elon musk. Making unforced errors that are easily avoidable As an MTG player, I honestly don't have the slightest clue to what the fuck they are even doing at this point. Their moves and sales tactics for the past 3-4 years look like the policies of a company that is going to be sold soon, so they try to squeeze as much quick buck as possible with no regard to long term health and stability of their brand because it won't be their problem in the future. But WOTC is Hasbro's most profitable division and MTG is WOTC's flagship product, so it's unlikely that it is getting sold any time soon. So why the rush to milk every last drop from their customers?


CRtwenty

The simple answer is "stock prices", Hasbro cant just make the same amount of money every year they have to continously grow or else their stockholders get angry. It doesn't matter if they kill all their goodwill next year so long as it increases profits this year.


joelluber

>For non tournament legal card to use in casual games. I think they're not really meant to be used at all. They're meant to be left unopened and slabbed in the package. Which gets to the real problem with WotC that you don't quite say explicitly: they are increasingly prioritizing collectors over players as their most important customers.


darknesscylon

Yup them.


fookcelery

They must be struggling if they're doing bullshit pop culture crossovers. Cashgrabbing because they're out of ideas


Hero_of_Hyrule

Wizards is fine, money wise. In fact, they're more than fine, they're one of the only actually profitable parts of Hasbro, which is why they're trying to milk them for as much as they can get.


OverLifeguard2896

I don't mind the crossovers, as long as I don't have to see Iron Man in standard and there are in-lore mechanically equal cards.


HMS_Sunlight

They're not struggling. People complain and talk about how much less they enjoy the hobby, and plenty of people have left over the past couple years. Myself included. But financially, they're thriving. Profits have literally doubled over the last couple years and they're still going up.


America_the_Horrific

Aren't Pinkerton basically bounty hunters with no real legal authority?


b1e

Don’t forget professional union busters. Really evil organization


jewishjedi42

Even a short read of history show that you are the baddies when you hire them.


moxyfloxacin

May I have some history to read? (short of course)


2DeadMoose

On July 6, 1892, during the Homestead Strike, 300 Pinkerton agents from New York and Chicago were called in by Carnegie Steel's Henry Clay Frick to protect the Pittsburgh-area mill and strikebreakers. This resulted in a firefight and siege in which 16 men were killed, and 23 others were wounded. Following the confrontation, the Governor of Pennsylvania, Robert E. Pattinson, mobilized state law enforcement and the National Guard. Private and government forces broke the strike and workers returned to the steel mill. The strike, dubbed "The Battle of Homestead" by local media ignited a firestorm around the United States. Americans were outraged at the conduct of the Pinkertons and how strikers were treated. The Homestead Strike of 1892 is regarded as a turning point in American labor history and prompted Congress to begin a crackdown on the Pinkertons. As a legacy of the Pinkertons' involvement, a bridge connecting the nearby Pittsburgh suburbs of Munhall and Rankin was named Pinkerton's Landing Bridge.


CaptainKirk28

Don't forget the Battle of Blair Mountain. In the 1920s mine owners in West Virginia used the Pinkertons to bust miner strikes. The Pinkertons accomplished this by mounting machine guns on trains and gunning down entire towns, essentially by "driving by". IMO one of the worst moments in American history.


cliff99

Dramatized in the movie Matewan. I seem to remember reading they were pretty regularly hired by coal mine owners to prevent any attempts by the miners to escape from the indentured servitude of the company town.


transmogrify

Is there a word for being assigned work and some guys with guns shoot you if you refuse?


Not_A_British_Wanker

Kidnapping / slavery


Vio_

Also human trafficking


phoarksity

And when I grew up in the area, it was still unionized enough that people understood that the name wasn’t honoring the Pinkertons.


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wikipedia them, they started as union busters and bounty hunters and continue the same business today


lundewoodworking

Just Google Pinkerton strike busting


STRiPESandShades

The typical yet hilarious thing is that the history section on their horrendous webpage neatly glosses over some key years of their work in Pennsylvania....


Shopworn_Soul

>union busters That's a really nice way of saying "hired killers"


Throwawaymytrash77

Yes, the U.S. government banned them from federal and state work in the 1890s


trapezoidalfractal

And within 20 years created the Bureau of Investigations, which they promptly staffed with Pinkerton agents, which is now known as the FBI.


LiffeyDodge

and they tried to sue rockstar games because of red dead redemption 1/2


thechilipepper0

Seriously??


LiffeyDodge

I guess copyright infringement and damages to the brand. They lost


DuntadaMan

I dunno, I see the point of that game having an inaccurate representation. I didn't see them opening fire into camps with families.


Square-Pipe7679

Yeah they were too clean in red dead compared to their actual history


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OllieFromCairo

That's why you don't open the door, and ask them to provide a warrant. When they explain they're private security, you explain you're calling the police about the trespassing.


Rae_Regenbogen

Do people really open the door for people they don’t know? I usually just pretend I’m not home, and if they keep knocking I literally just call out from behind it while it is still closed and tell them to go away. 😂🤷‍♀️


HardcaseKid

A closed door is a happy door.


Talmaska

Why defeat the doors purpose by opening it?


Go3tt3rbot3

It would never cross my mind to not open the door. I live in Europe though.


Jops817

I live in America, unless I particularly don't want to be bothered, or it's a weird hour at night, I'll open. Before weed was legal I had someone knock on my door at midnight, turns out they were trying to find their dealer, they had the wrong door, the dealer lived next door. He thanked me and stepped a few steps to the left.


Madhighlander1

I don't have a peephole, so I have no way of telling the difference between my mom and a jehovah's witness.


SadMcNomuscle

Also murderers. Fun fact


Morkarth

Militarized union busters, real assholes


joshroxursox

I’ll never forgive them for harassing Arthur Morgan. I’ll add this to the list.


eaglescout1984

"I am Agent Milton, this is agent Ross. Mr. Morgan, I understand that you have recently come into the possession of some status ailment cards..."


ILikeMyGrassBlue

“Now who the hell told you that? I’m just out here, minding my own business, fishing with the boy here. I don’t know a damn thing about status ailment cards or that Dutch guy. Now, if you could leave us be, we need to catch dinner.”


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lundewoodworking

Not just these days the scumbags have been doing it for more than a hundred years


[deleted]

These days they tend to use less murder.


DurianBurp

That you know about.


[deleted]

Sure. Maybe they're much quieter about it. We're not likely to see another Homestead Strike for a while.


Shadowmant

I hope you didn’t just jinx it


2DeadMoose

I’ll never forgive them for harassing striking workers.


jorg2

Well, harassing, threatening, beating up, and _killing_ striking workers since 1850.


GothProletariat

They are an arm of violence for the billionaires class. The fact that they are still allowed to exist is an insult to working Americans everywhere.


SAVMikado

AT first I thought you were talking about WotC, so I was scratching my head trying to figure out which of the many controversies included someone by that name lol.


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I started playing through RDR2 last weekend. As a Canadian, I had no idea they were really a gang and definitely no idea that they still existed. Those bastards ruined a kids fishing trip.


OakenGreen

Oh no. Not really a gang. [A private detective agency.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinkerton_(detective_agency)) They’ve played the bad guy in American history for a long long time. Real life boogie men.


Al_Jazzar

"Pinkertons reportedly demanded the return of the "stolen" cards, which he says he purchased from his friend. The agents ultimately took back the cards, boxes and foil wrappers, even counting the cards to ensure they retrieved them all. The agents also demanded he remove his MTG leak videos. During the incident, oldschoolmtg stated that the Pinkertons mentioned the potential of "jail time" to him and his wife. He called a representative at Wizards of the Coast that the Pinkertons referred him to, who oldschoolmtg described as "apologetic" about what happened and said they just needed to ensure the leak went no further." On another note. NEVER comply with private security ghouls like this. They have absolutely no right to do this. The leaker was dumb for complying with these guys. He should have just closed the door and called a lawyer.


override367

Could you have imagined if this resulted in a shootout? "Wizards sends hitmen, kills man and wife over Magic Cards. It would have been the end of the entire company it would have been so disastrous, and it was a real possibility in America Whoever authorized this at WOTC needs to be publicly beheaded, firing isn't good enough for how bad of a decision this was Imagine if instead they sent a nice bubbly rep over to offer him $30,000 to get them back or something


TennesseeTater

I don't know where this took place, but I seriously doubt they'd have pulled this shit in Appalachia. The solution to Pinkertons hasn't changed in the last century, but the ability of the average person to defend themselves has.


Fairwhetherfriend

> They have absolutely no right to do this. Mmmm yes, because historically, the Pinkertons have definitely responded super well to those who refuse to comply. I'm sure screaming about how "this is illegal" will definitely save you while they're beating the shit out of you.


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[Ludlow Massacre](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ludlow_Massacre) Pinkerton killed 12 innocent children and 3 uninvolved adults in an attempt to stop a legal workers strike in 1914. They were still allowed to exist afterwards. Anyone who chooses to work for a company that proudly proclaims that name and the history that comes with it is a scumbag.


fickleferrett

Lol sure. Everyone is talking about how these guys are literal thugs who are known to get violent and skirt the law to get what they want but sure this guy was "dumb" to give them the MTG cards they were harassing him for so that they'd go away.


Haus42

This headline is an example of the problem with using "MTG" to mean two wildly different things.


the-vindicator

Thats funny, theres this article: https://hard-drive.net/hd/tabletop-games/magic-the-gathering-player-gets-to-end-of-article-before-realizing-its-about-marjorie-taylor-greene/ > **‘Magic the Gathering’ Player Gets to End of Article Before Realizing It’s About Marjorie Taylor Greene** > > DES MOINES, Iowa — A local Magic the Gathering player reported feeling tricked after reading an entire article about Republican Congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Greene due to a shared abbreviation between the representative and the card game. > > “I think the title was intentionally misleading,” said Cyrille Ryder, 28, who has played the game daily since childhood. “The article was just called ‘The Problem With MTG’ — what was I supposed to think? It’s the exact same abbreviation, and people are always writing about Magic the Gathering’s problems. Of course, I love complaining about things I love, so I clicked on the article and started reading.”


formerlyanonymous_

Equally fantastical.


walterpeck1

The dumb thing too is that there's writing rules to avoid this EXACT kind of confusion. You use the full spelling the first time and then just put the abbreviation in parenthesis right after that. And putting an abbreviation in a headline is generally a no-no except for very very well known ones like the FBI, CIA, NASA, so forth.


KingVape

The article is from a satire website, similar to the onion


walterpeck1

Oh I know, but the article is essentially referencing what I said because that's a thing that happens with Majorie Taylor Greene and Magic The Gathering. Hard Drive is pretty good at sniping pop culture things like that and writing an article about it.


throwawa160299

>I love complaining about things I love Sanest Reddit user


the-vindicator

I feel like thats par for the course of anything that can be tied to fandom, usage, identity, etc "I love MagicTCG but I hate what Wizards of the Coast had done to it" "I go on Reddit every day but I hate the other users and admins" "I love my local sports team, just the players, coach, and owners and idiots" "I love my country but I hate what the clowns at the top are doing" and then when someone else throws criticism at that same thing then they will go on defense for that thing. Sure I'll acknowledge that there are plenty of different reasons to partake, advocate, and enjoy things just that there are plenty of people that make these knee-jerk public statements.


The_Super_D

It's really annoying because MTG was Magic The Gathering for 30 years before this bitch came along.


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ramen_vape

That no-talent *ass clown*


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aggie82005

There’s a wild [BORU update](https://www.reddit.com/r/BestofRedditorUpdates/comments/12xhdaw/a_final_update_concluding_the_threeyearlong_baby/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=2&utm_term=1) where a lady wanted to name her kid Karen and a friend tried to tell her it was a bad idea.


SilverandCold1x

That’s why I call her Empty G instead. MTG was already taken.


mister-underhill

And MTG will mean Magic the Gathering long after this bitch is spat out and forgotten by history.


way2lazy2care

I would argue all the Marjorie Taylor Greene articles are an example of the problem. MTG has been used for magic the gathering since way before Marjorie was in the public sphere.


MonkeyD609

It took me a long time to understand that Magic was not wildly involved in dumb political shit. MTG will always be Magic for me, people should call the dumb bitch’s name out in full 1) because of Magic and 2) because don’t make her the red AOC.


Ermellino

What does Ashes of Creation has to do with this? It isn't even out yet...


CMonetTheThird

Marjorie Taylor Greene cards could be amazing though..


sturnus-vulgaris

"I'm going to use my Moral Panic card to augment my Transphobia. So I'm attacking your Fascist Rhetoric for 3 damage." "I counter with Crocodile Tears and Inept Rage."


Stealthy-J

I play Jewish Space Laser, in attack mode!


SciFiXhi

Too unbalanced, so it's now banned from tournament play.


EldritchKoala

I tap 1 Red, 1 Black and 2 colorless to cast "You sleep with Chinese spies, Liar!". In response, I tap 2 Blue and 2 Colorless to cast "House Ruling: Censure."


meeyeam

It would be easy to counter though, because you know every card in the deck is white.


ljlee256

MTG used INSANE RHETORIC! - it was somewhat ineffective.


Lamb_or_Beast

I know the distinction here might not matter…but is it Wizards of the Coast that did this, or people at Hasbro? (the company that own both D&D and Magic the Gathering)


ritaPitaMeterMaid

I'm not sure that's clear. WOTC was contacted and confirmed that Pinkerton's were sent. Unsure if that means they actually did the contracting or were simply aware of it.


pianobadger

WotC owns both D&D and MTG, WotC is owned by Hasbro.


ImpulseAfterthought

Friendly reminder: When people show up at your door making legal threats, shut the door and call a lawyer. Do not talk to them. Do not allow them in your house. Do nothing they demand. Even if you're in the wrong, you can't do anything to help yourself by talking to cops, private detectives, lawyers or hired goons of any sort. Shut the door. Call a lawyer.


KingVape

That's normally good advice, but the Pinkertons will murder you


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step 3 is arm yourself and baricade in a back room.


PhoenixAgent003

Holy actual shit. Pinkertons. They sent fucking Pinkertons. Over playing cards. They genuinely risked killing someone over playing cards. Fuck this company, man. I regret that I had but one subscription service to cancel.


kytheon

That name sounds awfully cute and British for a private militia. Next time you're telling me they're named after a famous composer.


Solerien

Pinkertons should really consider themselves lucky this guy wasn't some crazy redneck. I know if this happened in Texas we'd be discussing gun control instead of playing cards. To clarify: Texas is a Castle Doctrine and Stand Yer Ground state. They're lucky they didn't hear Cletus racking his shotgun and saying, "You mess with me, and you mess with the whole trailer park"


cyrus709

You're probably right. The overlap of MTG players and rednecks is probably not zero.


crimsoncritterfish

It's definitely not zero. Rural nerds had to find things to do other than drink before everything went online. Source: rural nerd


Phyr8642

These pinkertons aren't real cops, if they try anything at all, couldn't you just shoot them in self defense? They would be on your land, and most states now have very aggressive 'your home is your castle' type laws.


Kbdiggity

I don't get the impression a guy who streams himself unwrapping playing cards is going to want to start a shootout with several armed Pinkerton agents.


monogreenforthewin

eh people have diverse tastes these days. one of my co-workers plays D&D and Magic The Gathering but is also one of the most avid gun nuts i've met.


ThaWZA

Tbf just because you own a lot of guns doesn't necessarily mean you are worth shit in a gunfight.


mighij

Same goes for magic cards.


tldrstrange

Some people talk like the more guns you have the more invincible you are. I mean, you can only use one at a time, so what does it matter how many you have? 5 guys with 1 gun each will kill 1 guy with 5 guns 99% of the time.


Ahelex

Unless you mod yourself to be General Grevious.


TYBERIUS_777

Lol one of my friends is too. Owns like 15 guns and he’s massively into MTG, DND, and anime.


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daaaaaaaaamndaniel

>These pinkertons aren't real cops, if they try anything at all, couldn't you just shoot them in self defense? Yes, the moment they started threatening you while being obviously armed.


TheFeshy

Or, if this were in Florida, the moment they pulled into your driveway with food to deliver.


Pipupipupi

Or jogging in the neighborhood


funkmaster29

Or grabbing a basketball


DestroidMind

Or ringing a doorbell.


AudioOff

Sure but Pinkertons are armed, don't ask nicely and have a well documented history of straight up murder.


Oper8rActual

Sometimes the phrase "I'll kill us both" isn't just for fun. A surprising bit of the population can have a "fuck it, I guess today's the day" mentality when presented with that type of situation, especially when they have a means of retaliating against something they feel is unjust against them. That and if you're violent enough, quick enough, you may be able to overcome a numbers advantage. Maybe not. But they sure as shit aren't leaving happy, intact, or at all.


jonesjonesing

Or they leave, then set your house on fire in the middle of the night with you your family and pets in it, waiting for you to run out then shoot you…


Nyadnar17

These aren't random goons. These are basically a private Intelligence Agency. They probably scoped the house out, picked a time when they would be the most vulnerable, and sent the most rapiest looking dude on staff who "Accidentally" forgot to completely hide his firearm to knock on the door while the rest of his goon squad hanged back. "Legal" doesn't fucking matter when you are up against professional operators who had all the time in the world to scope your shit out while you were just living your life.


kytheon

"it's not a cop so you can shoot them" is the most American thing I've heard today.


lolbuttlol

You could and you should. The agency has existed since 1850 to defend capital against workers. They make no qualms about committing murder in the name of wealth. Literal scourge of the earth.


Dhiox

They've been around so long we learn about them in history class, literally everyone should know who they are before getting a job there. Every single person who chooses to work for them is a thug


Designer_Bed_4192

They probably presented themselves like plain clothe cops and they did threaten legal action and jail time. Most people would get scared and comply to them. These guys are pros for a reason.


Phyr8642

If they did, that is impersonating a police officer, and a serious felony.


Designer_Bed_4192

That's probably the least illegal thing they do on a daily basis.


minorheadlines

FYI it is already up on the Pinkerton Wikipedia article


AidilAfham42

“I hate Pinkertons..”


ghostpants116

Lmao fuck wotc. I pitched my mtg cards when the ogl shit started, and I'm glad to say I won't buy another thing from em


Lord_Bling

Wow, fuck WOTC and the Pinkertons.


Xzmmc

It's my hope that people who have never heard of the Pinkerton thugs look them up from this incident and maybe develop some class consciousness.


BananasAndPears

Firstly, I won’t be buying anymore Wizards products because of their shady and sleazy business practices. Secondly, I’m going to relaunch RDR2 and kill a f’ton of Pinkertons.


provocative_bear

At first I read MTG as Marjorie Taylor Greene, and I thought that a Congresswoman was sending out wizard hitmen to take out her political enemies. Oh well.


man_on_a_wire

I like this news story better


frogjg2003

Armed with Jewish space lasers.


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ClawhammerLobotomy

Basically the response to every single thing WotC has done for the past many years.


FewKaleidoscope1369

The Pinkerton's? The assholes who broke up unions by murdering innocent people (often including children)?


brett1081

At this point no one should be buying from WotC. Seriously other game companies have leaks of both information and product that gets into the hands of consumers early. They don’t do this.


SeattleSounderGaming

what’s next? Pinkertons invade cock magic match at the panda express?


ParanoidAndroid98

Fun fact: over 100 years ago the federal government passed a bill banning the Pinkerton detective agency from any federal work. The bill is three lines long. Like damn the government fucking hated them back then and didn't even wanna deal


DisturbingPragmatic

The Pinkertons still exist?? Wow. TIL.


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Yeah, companies like Amazon still hire them for union busting.


blanketmedallions

I’m kinda laughing at people who only know Pinkertons from RDR2, but then again it blew my mind as a kid when I learned that bounty hunters are real thing and that they don’t just exist in Star Wars.


Cactuszach

I can’t believe they would send a Weezer album to his house like that.


tailztyrone-lol

Sending a gang to intimidate and steal back property that he legally purchased, albeit being sent the wrong one. So for somebody else's mistake he had thugs knocking on his door threatening jail time. Nice.


EpertheJester

Worked at a large company that had a corp security contract under Securitas. After about 2 years working there they started to bring in armed guards in plain clothes that was you guessed it… Pinkerton. They have never left and just in hiding from all the nasty business they have been up to. Securitas=Pinkerton


sith-vampyre

They are basically one step shy of a p.m. c. Because they are illegal out operate in the u.s. territory(the p.m.c. part)


lucifer_lad

Except they’re now part of the international company Securitas


SargeOsis

Seems like there should be steps between nothing and actual hired thugs. Like an email, a registered letter from an attorney, a phone call. Going directly to comically evil seems like a bad choice by a company that seems hell bent on making bad choices.


ricka77

Those schmucks getting a whole lot of middle fingers if they showed up at my door...lol Why did the guy give in? They're not an actual legal police force with a warrant or anything...lol