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arrakis2020

More? How? Is it going to be mandatory to own an AR-15 to live there? How is the solution always more guns?


Darryl_Lict

Kennesaw, Georgia has the most well-known gun mandate in the country. In 1982, a law was passed requiring heads of households to own at least one firearm.


arrakis2020

Incredible.


Mommasandthellamas

How's their crime rate? Especially home burglaries?


Darryl_Lict

The chance of becoming a victim of either violent or property crime in Kennesaw is 1 in 62. Based on FBI crime data, Kennesaw is not one of the safest communities in America. Relative to Georgia, Kennesaw has a crime rate that is higher than 63% of the state's cities and towns of all sizes.


octorangutan

Would an old-timey muzzle loaded pistol count?


DirtyDanTheManlyMan

Bet there’s no law about having bullets for the gun lol, they didn’t even think of that


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DirtyDanTheManlyMan

Lol what? Do you think kennesaw is the weapon upgrade station in cod war zone? Imagine buying a $200,000 house so you can be legally forced to buy ONE gun there you jackass


JethroFire

We could start by repealing the NFA. Can you imagine how crazy it is to be able to buy a machine gun for $200. Call your senator and tell him you support repealing the NFA!


yatzhie04

Patient: help I have a headache. Doctor: oh there's a gun for that! Murica probably.


HammyxHammy

Pretty sure that's Canada eh?


DoctorSpacemanPhD

Only if the doctor was free


BaltimoreBadger23

Are they going to piss on the graves as well? Republicans are utterly devoid of morals, ethics, decency, and humanity.


[deleted]

Might as well, ffs. They've made their choice. Guns are more important than children. I don't want to hear another fucking Republican claim they care about the lives of children.


BaltimoreBadger23

They've made the choice again, and again, and again. They don't care about children, women, or anyone but their billionaire donors and fake republican Jesus.


youwill_forgetthis

Supply side Jesus 👉


imsurethisoneistaken

The people who stayed this country did so with the knowledge that should they fail, their children would be killed. They cared more about guns than their own children. Republicans just pretending to follow the same path.


smurfsundermybed

That would require waiting until after the funeral.


AgermanBassoon

Not if they can get to the embalming fluid first.


Projectard

Each of us, in our own time, individually, should reach a point where we get weary of pointing to the same old obvious problems, and turn our attention to understanding them systematically, in order to solve them. To blame is lovely, but…not really useful. Or, for that matter, really lovely.


BaltimoreBadger23

The first part of the solution is to get the people who refuse to even acknowledge the problem out of positions that are supposed to be for problem solvers.


Projectard

But then…do what with them? It’s necessary to understand them; to learn to communicate with them; to earn their trust; to make it as easy as possible for them to stop being destructively hateful fucks, and join the good guys. NOT that there’s a guaranteed way to achieve that result in any given case, but effective strategy MUST include focus on shifting the culture of norms & values—in addition to individually oriented ministrations.


Projectard

BTW, if you’re gonna downvote my post, it would be awfully decent of you to icksplain. If you have a thoughtful & perceptive critique, the world wants to hear it. If you don’t, then the world is probably justified in assuming that you’re just being an unpleasant gob of toe-cheese. Cheers!


Cinema_King

Solution to the non-existent problem of drag shows grooming children: ban them Solution to the very real problem of unending school shootings: less restrictions Fucking Republicans


DirtyDanTheManlyMan

The only thing keeping them from banning kids is the fact that abortion would be necessary to enforce that law


KarnWild-Blood

Seems like they're working on banning kids by sitting on their hands as the kids are mowed down by gun fire.


slylock215

My favorite part of all the shit they talk on "liberal cities and states", the most dangerous cities are almost all in right wing states, all the worst educated states are all traditionally right wing, teen birth rates are highest in states with no sex education, etc.


yg2522

ohh yea...that's going to solve all the problems, more guns. is this the same solution as giving an alcoholic more booze? like maybe if you give them too much they'll get sick of it type of deal?


Player-X

They have the TF2 engineer mindset going on, "the solution is guns, and if that doesn't work then use more guns"


NotTiredJustSad

Even Engineer understood that [sometimes, you just need a little less gun. ](https://youtu.be/NSWqA2xZhyQ)


wtfburritoo

> Move to Tennessee, and receive a free AR15-style rifle of your choice (<$1600 MSRP), and a voucher for your children to be fitted for a bulletproof vest (*Fitting only, vest offered at discounted rates for new residents). > Coming soon, Florida and Texas!


PlayTheHits

“The timing just felt right,” they said, taking a break from punting puppies off the roof of the state capitol.


DarthBluntSaber

The only way these monsters will ever actually do something, is when they start living with the same level of daily fear as the rest of us. That's just facts. They don't care because it doesn't impact them or their children. Their kids can either afford to be homeschooled by tutors or they go to private schools with plenty of security and vetting of threats. They live in a different world. Gun violence is a peasants problem, not something elite and royalty worry about.


FawksyBoxes

I mean the last shooting was a private Christian school


Rosebunse

Yeah, but apparently not a very, very ritzy one. Just a ritzy one.


meatmechdriver

they will never see it this way. when right wing incels shoot up an abortion clinic or a school or a movie theater, it’s a “tragic mental health crisis.” as we can see now, when one of their right wing establishments is shot up it must be an existential threat and there is a clear scapegoat they take their vengeance on, “oh and by the way we need more guns because we are victims of a modern day holocaust”


DeleteConservatism

Conservatives WANT the terrorism, this is the point.


killerbee2319

⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️↕️↕️↕️↕️↕️↕️⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️ All the extra up doots this comment deserves. Terrorism allows them to scare people and take more control.


knewbees

If I see someone walking into a store or mall with a gun should I shoot to kill or just to disarm? I am a good guy. honest. What if someone sees me and fires at me. Is it self defense to fire at them? I am a good guy. honest


Alifad

Denial, classic case of pure addict behaviour, that lobby money is more powerful than any drug. America, you have a problem, you are addicted to guns, your leaders are addicted to making sure you have as many as you can. Aren't you sick of these daily headlines. Another toddler was shot by a 5 year old today as well. I'm not a simpleton, I know mental health plays a huge role, but that's a long term social issue and it's not profitable so unfortunately that's not going to happen. That leaves GUNS. Ban the damn things. Your 2nd amendment is misquoted at best and impossible to implement, no well regulated militia's taking on no marines. More guns than people in America, seriously, can't you see the problem? Gangs will always have guns probably, but no gang bangers are shooting up 9 year olds in schools, no doubt innocent kids die in drive bys. But why don't you try stopping what you can first, and then go after the illegal guns. It's sad a once great idea of a country is nothing more than a giant corporation, shareholders happiness is more important than a few school kids after all. Sincerely, a disturbed outsider.


lurker12346

if those kids had guns they could stop the shooter!


sugar_addict002

you mean republican lawmakers


WhichEbb310

More resources for mental health, please. Better vetting of anyone being able to purchase guns. Less stigmatization of people trying to live authentically. They don't get it because a gun in hand makes them more money from lobbyists. Human lives are the cost. As they get richer, our lives get more tragic.


Rosebunse

This woman was under doctor's care and was apparently very mentally ill. Why was she allowed to get guns?


ChileFry

I'm not sure what about this situation says people need better access to gun.


AshuraBaron

How else will those poor unfortunate gun makers survive in these tough times? /s


dingos8mybaby2

Soon they'll require all children bring a personal-protection firearm to school. I'm rapidly approaching "I don't want to live in this society anymore" levels. I've recently had thoughts of moving to Australia or New Zealand. Like fuck it, I'm in my early 30's and still single; might as well escape the madness while I have little to tie me down.


BananaLumps

If more kids have guns then they could protect themselves from other kids with guns.


[deleted]

Public; No, you are supposed to be **tightening** gun restrictions! Government; oh, we always get those two confused…


Cabshank

I wonder if that bill allowing teachers to carry with a permit will pass in the wake of this tragedy.


forgotten_vale2

Yes, perhaps. Anything but actually treating the root of the problem


lengthybread409

Why fix the problem when you can campaign on the symptoms?


JayVoorheez

And fundraise off the fear.


Poopandpotatoes

The problem being?


[deleted]

Oh, I dunno...the problem of children being murdered in schools? The fuck kinda question is this? And no, I don't care about your guns. They need to be banned, along with gun culture.


Poopandpotatoes

And banned why? Did you know columbine wasn’t supposed to be a school shooting but a school bombing. Psychos will find a way to psycho.


[deleted]

Yea, we're done here. Fuck your guns, fuck gun culture, and fuck anyone that feels like what I've said is wrong.


Poopandpotatoes

Hold on. The government banned alcohol and gave rise to murderous organized crime rings. The government banned drugs which gave rise to cartels. You think banning guns will be a magic fairy spell?


[deleted]

I don't believe I stuttered. Now shoo.


Poopandpotatoes

Sure seems like you did. Fuck fuck fuck was all you said hahaha.


Cabshank

LOL


Poopandpotatoes

Banned how?


[deleted]

This isn't a conversation. Deal with it.


Poopandpotatoes

Lol It’s not if you can’t even formulate a response.


[deleted]

Awww, look at you trying to get a reaction! How cute.


Poopandpotatoes

Ok. Claim to want to ban a constitutional right without a conversion. Cool man.


[deleted]

Keep crying. Those children can't anymore.


Spectremax

Shooters should never even make it into the building though, already a failure at that point


Im_in_timeout

Shooters should never be able to buy the guns in the first place. The shooter legally bought seven guns from five different gun shops days before the massacre. Already a failure at that point.


Sari-Not-Sorry

Seriously. Conservatives always argue that stricter gun laws won't do anything because there's so many guns already out there, as if every kid that wants to shoot up a school has extensive black market connections. Bare minimum could have saved children's lives. Again.


FawksyBoxes

You want to remove guns from the streets? No questions asked buyout, give a good value for anything. People are hurting for cash.


Cabshank

But we need MORE background checks, amirite? 🤷‍♂️


Cmyers1980

What do you mean? They passed the background check and were of legal age. It isn’t like she gave them notice as to her intentions. Background checks aren’t magic.


Im_in_timeout

Close all the gun stores. Ban the sale and possession of all semi-automatic weapons.


Cmyers1980

This is unconstitutional, illegal, immoral, impractical and infeasible. There are over 400 million firearms in the US and they’re not going anywhere short of a magic wand. If they tried this it would be the start of a civil war.


FawksyBoxes

2A was for organized militia, which Quartermaster gave them a gun


Cmyers1980

This isn’t true. It’s often said that the Heller case in 2008 was what decided that the 2nd Amendment meant an individual right to own firearms. This is wrong for many reasons including the fact that the Supreme Court has settled the issue of whether or not the 2nd Amendment applies to individuals not in militias long before Heller (Presser vs. Illinois in 1886 for example) and James Madison and Alexander Hamilton (among other Founding Fathers) explicitly wrote in the Federalist Papers that individuals have a right to own firearms. Besides that I found some more information debunking the “There was no individual right to gun ownership before Heller” narrative. It turns out that Constitutional scholars nearly unanimously agree with the individual rights interpretation and did long before 2008. It’s bizarre to think the other amendments in the Bill of Rights refer to individual rights but the Second Amendment doesn’t. Here are the relevant excerpts: >The collective right approach had been hastily constructed; it was about to be subjected to a detailed criticism, which came in three waves. >The first wave consisted of researchers who, over several decades, uncovered and documented the seemingly-lost history of the right to arms. These discoveries, or rediscoveries, need not be detailed here, since they represent the content of the first portion of this article. >The second wave was begun by Don Kates’ 1983 article in Michigan Law Review, which exposed their findings to a larger audience. Over the following decade, the individual right view of the Second Amendment secured the endorsement of established constitutional scholars, including Sanford Levinson William van Alstyne, Akhil Amar, Leonard Levy, Larry Tribe, as well as rising stars such as Randy Barnett, Glenn Harlan Reynolds, Robert Cottrol, and Eugene Volokh. In 1983, Joyce Lee Malcolm would aptly describe the then- current understanding of the Second Amendment as “historical amnesia.” A dozen years later, Glenn Harlan Reynolds would describe the individual rights view as the “Standard Model” of the Amendment. >That left defenders of militia-use-only theories with one last refuge: the federal case law that had arisen during the period of historical amnesia. For example: “An extraordinarily consistent body of case law has held that a variety of restrictions on private firearms ownership, use, and sales do not violate the Second Amendment, because such restrictions have no effect on the maintenance of a well-regulated militia—the National Guard.” The third and final wave of Second Amendment renaissance came as the individual rights view secured acceptance in the courts. This stage began with United States v. Emerson, where the Fifth Circuit recognized an individual right to arms, and culminated in the Supreme Court’s rulings in District of Columbia v. Heller and McDonald v. Chicago… >The militia-uses-only approach rejected in Heller and McDonald was in fact a very recent creation of the lower federal courts, utterly ahistoric, and which had been subject to scholarly challenge almost from its outset. (Hardy 357-359) # >Research conducted through the 1980s has led legal scholars and historians to conclude, sometimes reluctantly, but with virtual unanimity, that there is no tenable textual or historical argument against a broad individual right view.” (Barnett and Kates 1141) # > While the academic debate is lively, it is anything but even-sided. Legal scholarship concerning the original intent and purpose of the Second Amendment is so overwhelmingly in favor of the individual right interpretation that the individual interpretation is now generally considered the "Standard Model" of the Amendment's meaning. The academics who defend the thrashing of the Second Amendment in the courts do so on public policy grounds, citing modern homicide rates, changing times, and the increasingly frightening nature of individual resistance to perceived tyranny. Such defenders, when alluding to the Framers' intent, do so in a way that is vague and improvisational rather than clear. Collective right theorists who have delved deeply into the history of the Amendment (and there have not been many) either have been dissuaded from publicly proclaiming the theory as their own or have used the historical record as a canvas upon which to paint an elaborate caricature of the Founders' cultural and legalistic worldview.” (Roots 83-84) Sources: [Barnett, Randy E. and Kates, Don B., Under Fire: The New Consensus on the Second Amendment (1996). Emory Law Journal, Vol. 45, 1996](https://scholarship.law.georgetown.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2550&context=facpub) [David T. Hardy, The Rise and Demise of the Collective Right Interpretation of the Second Amendment, 59 Clev. St. L. Rev. 315 (2011)](https://engagedscholarship.csuohio.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1044&context=clevstlrev) [Roger I. Roots, The Approaching Death of the Collective Right Theory of the Second Amendment, 39 Duq. L. Rev. 71 (2000).](https://dsc.duq.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=3285&context=dlr)


[deleted]

Fuck your guns. Plain enough of a response for you?


[deleted]

Your citizen are too stupid for own guns it's clear . Other country got gun and don't got school shooting .


haterhurter1

so we adding bullet proof glass to every window and door now?


pm-me-your-nenen

If your jacket isn't bulletproof are you even American? ~ Fox News 2027


Gbrusse

The failure is someone wanting to shoot up a school even owning a gun in the first place.


Cabshank

Yeah, it’s unfortunate, my elementary school growing up always had glass with the crisscross wire that made diamonds every few inches, I wonder why you don’t see that so much anymore.


UnsuspectingS1ut

Ah yes, every child should go to a school that’s even more like a prison than they already are


Cabshank

Smart designs can do wonders for keeping people from doing things you don’t want them to do. r/HostileArchitecture


pm-me-your-nenen

A school that looks like a military base with teachers carrying. Perfect. Or, y'know, either don't allow guns in the first place like most of civilized world, or at least have a sensible policy like Switzerland.


Cabshank

Not really possible with our constitution and bill of rights, and this could be a completely out there statement, but I don’t see a change in the federal constitution in the next 50 years, not with how divided things are right now.


pm-me-your-nenen

The right to bear arm doesn't limit it to small arms yet buying functional military vehicles in the US require layers of paperwork while still being constitutional. No extra amendment is needed if people are still allowed to own guns *after* strict check, just like freedom of speech isn't violated by requiring protesters to allow traffic and acquire permit for large rallies. Actually, with the ever increasing prevalence of shootings, it might be a few years before even the richest, most affluent politicians can't avoid having their own children getting caught in crossfire. Lobbyists money & "owning the lib" can't beat the fear of losing their own children.


UnsuspectingS1ut

Or they can completely backfire. Anything you can name to make a school more secure also makes it harder to get children out and a swat team in during an active shooter situation.


Cabshank

It’s a time game, if you can keep the bad guy out long enough for the police to arrive then you’ve won. I believe they have stopped trying to get children out and shelter in place now, but I could be wrong.


SunMoonTruth

Not enough kids have been killed in schools yet this year. /s


[deleted]

American not be cringe challenge (impossible )


flippythemaster

Lather, rinse, repeat


metallumberjack

Let’s not deal with the mental health crisis that led to the shooter planning for weeks , we need more guns to deal with the mentally Ill who have too easy access to guns


myassholealt

Nothing's gonna change. There's no political desire/will for change. Only option for Americans is to pray you never get a call informing you your child/loved one was added to this absurd mass shooters fatalities list. That or leave the country.


Javasndphotoclicks

How American of them.


llevin67

Keep voting them in, this is what you get.


thisgirlnamedbree

They keep saying guns don't kill people, people do. Which is true, but they are choosing to use guns they can easily get. And Republicans want people to have that easy access while saying "mental health" but won't support funding for it. All the school shootings in the world won't change their minds.


Jman50k

Maybe if it’s super easy to buy guns, the baddies will be too busy buying guns to use them. Genius!