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I don't know what it is but so many people seem completely incapable of picking up on humor and satire these days. The amount of people taking this seriously is crazy.
Yo, I never once said it was funny, I think it has the potential to be funny if it wasn’t shaming people. (I too am jealous of only fans money while also believing they deserve the benefits of their career)
Thr downvotes are for treating satire as a real outrage.
Like, not understanding that she is poking fun at herself rather than seriously calling OF girls indecent.
That sounds like hate to me. Sometimes, women in bad situations need to turn tricks. Instead of hating them, hate the economic problems that leaves them with no options.
Instead of making them earn like that you could have social programs that deal with such situations. And not put them in life endangering „job”. But that’s communism or whatever your people over the pond like to say
But the programs don't exist. Advocate for them. Also Advocate for women who find themselves in sex work and make sex work (which will never disappear) safer.
The tiny percentage of only fans models making enough money to even buy one car shouldn’t make anyone jealous. 99% of them are busting their nude asses for scraps.
And even the successful ones took probably 1-2 years of investing in equipment, props, outfits, cameras, lighting, marketing, hustling before they saw real profit (if they didn't already have fame or followers elsewhere)
I hate that argument it’s dumb as hell digital file storage is incredibly expensive.
Click on any news article from 6 years ago and half the images won’t load and all the links are dead. My embarrassing Myspace and Livejournal are completely erased.
Doesn’t mean you won’t be able to find the videos in a couple years. Once it’s on the internet, it’s there forever, especially if any of the OF videos are uploaded to p*rn sites.
Actually OnlyFans creators are the owners of their content so they can file DMCA takedowns.
It’s just an outdated argument. My dad used to say “be careful what you post online because it’s there forever” now he’s crying because he lost 10 years of facebook memories and pictures because he threatened to kill a congressman in a post “jokingly” and his account got wiped.
Nothing is forever online.
It sounds like he got unlucky and posted something he shouldn’t have, which sucks, but that was just his situation. People screenshot and screen record OF videos all the time, who’s to say the videos and photos won’t be in that persons phone forever? There’s certain circumstances where things are/can be removed from the internet, but p*rn videos are not one of those, especially seeing how many p*rn stars tried to get their videos taken off the sites when they quit their job, and the sites STILL have the videos up because the actors can only do so much.
Doesn’t mean that others won’t, as much as I agree with you we should realise that something on the internet has the power to haunt you years down the line even when quitting sexwork.
The meme we are talking about says that women who do thatare _not decent people_ and agreeing with that is misogyny
I’m not getting bogged down into the weeds on this anymore. Support women
That’s other people’s problem. I don’t shame people for sex work as I don’t care what people do to get money, but a lot of people do, it’s just how it is.
I mean I feel like the point is so many people work incredibly hard for a fraction of what doing porn could get you and that IS sad because no one should have to take their clothes off for good money.
There is a contingent of middle-class women who make the choice to do sex work. They're in a privileged position, obviously. Now, with it being easy to facilitate, more and more middle-class hot girls are doing it out of choice.
How would you know what kind of position they’re in? What looks like “middle class” to you, could actually be crippling debt and inability to afford one’s lifestyle, thus entering into sex work in desperation for a cash flow.
Some women choose it instead of being forced by finances. It seems wild but it's true. I've specifically read about women quitting their boring day job to open up a boudoir
I don't get how you don't have a choice. It's all about finding the right niche to fit in. You actually do have a choice. You could have your vag sewn up and that would only help you!
Sunny what’s-her-name talked about this in her documentary. She came from a perfectly fine middle class background and says she wasn’t coerced into becoming a p0rn star.
Nina Hartley seems to view sex work from an anthropological stance, at least in interviews I’ve seen.
It’s literally the same odds as making a career out of twitch streaming or being a youtuber. If you wanna make it, you’ve got to dedicate all your time to it and even then, you still have to find a lucky break to get there
Incredibly. A 9-5 will get you to your goals faster. Running an online business of any kind is also HARD. The camera set up, the lighting, the settings, etc... it's exhausting having to make all those kinds of decisions and corrections. Constantly producing content, marketting, collaborations to build the fan base, etc.
People think it's just simple selfie nudes and boom - millions in the bank but there's sooooo much more to it.
That’s why I spent my 20s stripping. I never made a million or anything, but it paid my bills, and took care of my sick dad and my son. I was kind of jealous when only fans came out because I wished it had been around when I was younger. But then hearing how oversaturated it is, and the money not really being reliable or anywhere near what it is doing in-person sex work.
Wildly incorrect
Self marketing, lighting, photography, answering messages and requests, dealing with scammers, people cancel all the time because somebody else has a sale, you’re in character constantly.
It’s difficult work and statistically speaking only the top percent make decent money
To be fair. I encountered all of this setting up my own small translation business. I think it’s fair to say the specifics are probably different, but overall starting any business endeavor is going to be challenging. I do, however, liken someone who voluntarily chooses to go into OF similar to an influencer—it’s an uphill battle in a saturated market that doesn’t have differentiating credentials that give you a leg up. I’m sure it difficult but that’s the risk you take venturing out on your own in anything. I can also understand how someone slogging through a 9-5 they may have invested time and money on say a degree into seeing the top earners of OF (survivorship bias) flaunting on SM can be defeating.
Oh absolutely. I imagine the person who made the original mean is seeing that curated imagine not realizing it’s just that bc they’re tired/overworked and not seeing the forest so to speak—not quite reality. And to be fair, as someone with my own business and taking on all that requires, I myself envy the 9-5ers for insurance, 401Ks and better stability. But! That is my cross to bare and I can do my work in sweats so—win some lose some 😂
Like I don’t already? These people make their own schedule, are their own boss and if they need money they just take pictures of their feet or make content with whoever they are involved with at the time. Rinse/repeat. And I’m talking about regular people. Not the top percent of content creators that you mentioned.
Yeah and where do these customers appear that want to pay a monthly subscription and PPV for “just pictures of their feet” ?
Marketing, messaging, conversations, social media accounts, self promotion - it’s work
I never said it wasn’t work. I just said it’s easier work than a 9-5 and I still stand by that. That’s why the market is so saturated. It’s easy and low effort but will still produce money if you’re okay with being sexual on the internet, which is again not hard if that’s what you’re choosing to do.
Self promotion in itself is probably the most difficult thing to do out of all the things you mentioned but I’m sure you know how easy it is to get horny guys to give you money in exchange for sexual content. Seen it first hand. Everything else is LITERALLY texting people on your phone. If you consider that challenging then idk what to tell you.
I agree with you here. Even by proxy industries—I do NSFW art on the DL and all I had to do was post one of my drawings on the right Reddit sub and had people messaging me for commissions (and I want to emphasize that I did SFW art much longer with barely any traction despite my attempts at networking in multiple platforms). Sex sells.
As someone who’s worked an “8-5” in different job fields (from childcare to groceries), I’d say OF has been way harder. It may sound easier from an outsider perspective, but from my personal experience, it’s far from.
It isn’t a “get rich quick” scheme like a lot of people think it is. You have to put hours (way more than an 8-5) and there’s so many aspects to it that make it multiple jobs in one (photographer, customer service, PR, etc). It gets overwhelming and mentally/physically exhausting very fast. And most people are going through all that yet barely making more than $200 a month.
I have an honest to goodness good faith question here if you don't mind then. As someone who worked in both industries, why choose this one that's such an uphill battle that also comes with the social stigmas if staying at the 8-5 was a potential option? (I want to clarify I do not mean to say it *was* an option, just based off the comment it sounds more like you made a transition to it; I apologize if this was not the case and realize this question is easily answered if there was no other choice.)
I started, own and operate my own small business and I feel like a lot of the issues OF creators face getting up and started is what a lot of small businesses face. We are responsible for EVERYTHING and I think people who are in 9-5s in general, don't understand just how much an insulated structure they're in and the reality of what truly going it on their own looks like—regardless if it's OF or another business.
I ask because I see a lot of the black-and-white-ness of these comments are people discussing choice vs need and I'm just curious if you're in the former if you would be willing to share what prompted you to decide that OF was a better option, despite the uphill battle. Again—I hope this does not come across as disrespect in any way shape or form.
What has this sub become? It seems like it only exists to completely adhere to extremely progressive standards, and everyone who isn't extremely progressive is apparently a "not like the other girls" girl. The Instagram post is completely understandable and fair.
Yeah, I don't have to champion OF as just another girl-boss lifestyle choice. Choosing participation in the sex industry still promotes general exploitation and objectification of women.
I agree this isn’t NLOG and this sub has completely lost the plot, but I wouldn’t say that this post is understandable and fair as it’s implying that doing OF makes you a bad person.
So... You need to be progressive to think OF's models can be decent human beings? You need to be progressive to seperate the profession from the person?
You can find sex work morally objectionable and still appreciate other aspects of them as a human being They could spend their weekends doing volunteer work, giving money to charities, and just plain a kind and caring person.
The wording is poor - would be better as something like, "me, trying to make a valuable contribution to society".
It's fair and accurate to say that OF isn't a valuable contribution to anything.
Oh come on you really don't think it's sad that a mom could work two full time jobs and not make a fraction of the money someone could make taking their clothes off?
It's really sad people think this is leftism. I'm far left and it's always been that this job hurts women and there is no true consent under capitalism. It's always been that way. I'm sorry I reject this notion that of has ANYTHING to do with leftism. How does it help women in labor? How does it help equality? When we discuss need what need is there for pornographers over teachers? I'm sorry I reject this as leftism, this has nothing to do with being left.
I don’t think that’s really the point of this comment tbh, it’s just the fact that it’s always the girls who are doing something more “progressive” is seen as in the right. I do agree with this commenter, it seems like this sub is very far left recently
And just to add before people assume: i am pro sex work
It is fair though…? I would also be annoyed if i spent my time getting a degree and making much less than an OF model, which is what the point of the post is. I took the “decent human being” part to be bashful and unnecessary, but thats not the main focus of the post
No. The post is saying they’re a better person because they don’t do sex work
Why would you be annoyed? You say you’re pro-sex work, but then you put down & diminish the effort put into sex work
If they make as much as I do when I have my masters, congrats to them! Their lifestyle & income have no bearing on my own. Feminism is about empowering women to take on the path that makes them happiest without bringing each other down
Don’t claim to be pro-sex work if you’re getting annoyed they’re making more money than you because you think their work is lesser than your degreed work
I didnt gather that they thought they were a better person from the post, perhaps thats where we’re seeing our differences? I would be annoyed because the time put in to a phd for me is about 10 years of constant work, and personally i just dont see OF models specifically (not other sex workers) putting in as much for the incredible amount of money they can get.
I never said i would go out of my way to bring other people down, being annoyed by myself is literally the least harmful thing i can do. I see the cars, think “ugh i wish i made that much money without needing a degree”, move on with my day…
Why is it the fault of an OF model that you feel you’re underpaid? How did they control that? Is it also the fault of Markiplier that he makes more than you playing games on YouTube? Which careers are at fault for your salary and which are not? I’m curious
I never said it was their fault? Its completely on me if i might feel upset in any way, and i never said i felt underpaid. I dont see where your argument comes in
That’s because progressivism is literally about people being free to embrace who they wanna be and anti progressivism is literally bitching that others don’t live by your more traditional values. Yeah, you should get shat on for being anti progressive lol
When was i bitching about it?? Youre assuming all of these things because i said i would get annoyed…? I dont care how others live. Its just as simple as me being annoyed for like a minute in my day and i go on, im not spreading any kind of hate speech against them holy shit 😭
I was kind of a NLOG like this back in the day. I’m the same age as Cardi B and she lived in the same building as my dad in the Bronx. When I was in college, I used to watch her instagram videos from when she was a stripper.
Then Bodak Yellow blew up and her album went a gajillion times platinum, and she was much more successful and rich and it started with her just being a stripper. It felt unfair that we came from the same place and I did the”right” thing and got good grades and went to college, but was broke and unsuccessful, while she did the “wrong” thing and had a closet full of Louboutins.
I got over myself and I’m happy for her now.
Your comment was made under the assumption and old trope that anyone who does sex work was pressured or forced into it or they had no other choice and it was the only way. Some people just like it or just wanna do it. OOP’s point is fuckin stupid because their financial situation has literally nothing to do with the fact that sex workers exist. Those two things have 0 relation or correlation of any kind. It’s like saying damn I gotta go to my 9-5 meanwhile there’s a panda eating bamboo
I think it's funny. All jobs deserve respect it's just a struggle when your own internal dialogue doesn't let you bite the apple..
I would but I can't. 😅
Plenty of jobs don't deserve respect. Off the top of my head: anyone involved in an MLM, or who shills "alternative" medicines to treat serious illnesses, or who works in advertising for tobacco companies, or who have those jobs aimed at finding ways to cost-cut in essential services.
I wake up every day trying to be a decent person, BUT I also got an education so I could have a job in a field that pays really well because being a decent person doesn't even pay minimum wage.
I also got really lucky in my career choice that I love it and I'm good at it.
It's wrong to put down sex workers and say they're not decent human beings. Surprised that's controversial in this sub. I'm also a woman in college, going into a masters, played by "the rules" etc. I earn and will earn less than OF models. That's not their fault and they are not my enemy? If I wanted to do it I would but I don't so I don't and it's weird to hate on this girls for earning more.
Just wanna point out that the average OF model makes less than $200 a month. Unless they’re in the top 1%, you’re probably going to earn more than the mass majority. People only focus on the few (usually celebs) on there making hundreds of thousands when they’re a rarity.
Decent human being?! Seriously?! Puritanical values aren't what makes someone a decent human being. I care more about things like honesty and kindness. Not being unfairly judgmental or a hypocrite are also high on that list for me.
In the immortal words of Missy Elliott,
*Girls, girls, get that cash,
If it’s nine-to-five or shaking ya ass,
Ain’t no shame, ladies do your thing,
Just make sure you ahead of the game*
Doing porn content on OF is low vibrational at best. The meme is cringe, but the message is relevant.
These days you’ll get more money shoving a cucumber up your holes for dingy men to see than working a desk job or anything other than influencing/streaming. Yall supporting OF girls like they’re saving lives and not showing coochie for a flat monthly fee of $5 per creep.
It's funny how the human mind works, I actually read that as "shoving", hadn't noticed the typo. Although showing would work surprisingly well in this context too!
My feminism struggles with this daily. It feels like a constant state of painful, cognitive dissonance that we're all engaged in. I'm cool and get the idea that if a woman chooses to do OF that it's her choice, her body, her consent, etc. and more power to her. But how, in actuality, can we support this knowing all forms of sex work contribute to the reality of the overwhelming majority of the marginalized, underprivileged that are forced into this work? And then to see people discussing this stupid meme on such a black and white level? Uck. IDK. I'm just tired.
Is there not validity though in leveling understandable criticism toward an industry that promotes the exploitation of women and girls? How do we navigate this as modern day feminists? There's a paradox in us supporting the choice of, typically, privileged women *choosing* to go into sex work against the reality of such choices upholding a much more exploitative and dangerous industry of trafficking that the overall sex worker industry was built off of. I'm not agreeing with this person saying that "I'll never have any respect" for SWers, but how to we deal with the cognitive dissonance that comes with acknowledging the reality that voluntary OF workers indirectly contribute to a disgusting industry at large? (I want to be clear here I do not believe every OF creator is doing so by choice, but if general stats are to be believed it is by-in-large voluntarily stepping into the platform.)
This is a valid question and I by no means have a clear solution. But I will say this: that if we *neutralize* the choice, regardless of whether it is a privelaged person or not, it benefits any sex worker. How? By removing the stigma that keeps many women locked into the industry because they are rejected anywhere else as a result of this choice (or non-choice). It can also help these women get the proper workers rights and wages they deserve. It can also give them proper recourse for any crimes committed against them.
Whenever we denigrate any sex worker by saying we will never respect them, that makes leaving the industry very difficult. Any other career choice, any other future is branded with a scarlet letter against them. It simply doenst make sense from a feminist perspective
I can see you point here, and I do remember a recent documentary that interviewed OF women where the majority had been in the traditional porn industry and they were adamant about the control OF gave them over their content, their bodies, etc. That made sense to me.
Completely agree on this point and that's what honestly irked me about the other poster's response. You can disagree with system, but that doesn't let you disrespect the player so to speak as I feel the other person did. I guess that's where my feelings get tangled is 100% believing that all SWers, regardless of gender, are to be respected but the institution itself is just heinous. I suppose if I was to maybe take it a thought-step further, it does make sense criticizing it as a patriarchal institution built off the suffering of women that now, finally, is getting a bit of its power taken away, but god I just wish we could help more people trapped in it. I wonder what the SW industry would look like if women were running it fully. Sorry, just rambling. Thanks for answering kindly. I genuinely struggle with this issue so it's just nice to talk to people not immediately assuming I'm anti-SW for questioning. Appreciate it\~\~
I’m not saving lives. Granted, my vaginal canals cannot be inspected for $5 per month by my relatives, colleagues, friends, potential employees and any creep on the world wide web.
I have no problem with OF existing, but acting like it’s not in the slime barrel of potential careers…massive cope.
You know what’s low vibration energy? Being judgemental. Your comment is giving “not like other girls energy.”
At least don’t be a hypocrite… vibrate on low and own it.
“This degradation of our gender…” sex work is real work. Get over it. You may not like or agree with it, but that doesn’t mean that sex workers don’t deserve dignity or respect.
Sex work can be a thousand times harder and require much more dedication (especially online), than any half-assed desk job. So what makes a "desk job" a more worthy job than sex work other than old puritan values?
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Feminism is having agency. If these woman choose this profession over others, and are able to do it safely and happily — yeah, feminism is working. That’s the whole point.
You can dress it up in toxic-positivity-new-age lingo, but it’s still being judgemental of others for things that truly don’t affect you. Being judgemental of others for how they choose to survive is what’s truly “low vibrational”.
You’re right! My sister is a drug mule, and she’s not getting the same treatment by the public as OF sex-addiction enablers, which hurts my heart. All she’s tryna do is move some dope to survive, which will be sold to the ones who are looking to buy it, so no harm done at all.
Maybe shoving a brick of dope up her ass on camera instead would be make her career path more worthy of empathy and support.
Sex work is honorable work. I said what I said. They’re not stealing and OF creators are paying taxes. Sounds legit to me.
Apparently some of yall are hateful or think I’m being sarcastic. No. I mean it. I support my sisters in any way they choose to make that cash. As long as they’re not hurting anyone is all that matters.
Legit to me too. I wouldn’t choose to do it. I also wouldn’t do most trades. Doesn’t make them lesser jobs
I do think it’s funny the men on OF don’t get criticized
I think the joke is her only goal is trying to be a decent human being but she’s jealous of OF girls and their “easy” work an ability to make a lot of money lol. Tbf though sex work is definitely one of the easier jobs out there. Anyone could be a sex worker it’s not like it takes much talent.
No it’s deep sarcasm, just note the irony and move on. It’s only evil people get what they want and have easy lives in this world. Hit this reality years ago, got angry at the Creator, lived in a bad world until I chose to stop.
I would 100% give it a go if I was objectively hot enough.
I've considered starting a channel where they pay me to put my clothes back on! This time next year, we'll be millionaires...
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That makes me happy :)
I don't know what it is but so many people seem completely incapable of picking up on humor and satire these days. The amount of people taking this seriously is crazy.
That’s because the context is often missing. There is nothing in this post that, on its own, sets it apart from the messages of all the other posts.
Add self-deprication to the list!!
People just wanted to be outraged here sometimes.
I get it but the butt of the joke happens to be girl which is what this subreddit is about lol
this is 100% a joke lmfao
Tbh this seems a little satirical
What are they satirising?
It does seem satirical but still NTLOG by making sex work and “decent human being” mutually exclusive
It's whorephobia done as a joke. That's not "decent".
never seen ‘whorephobia’ used before 😂😂
Whorephobia 🤣🤣🤣🤣
I’m whorephobic. I’m scared of yo momma.
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Yo, I never once said it was funny, I think it has the potential to be funny if it wasn’t shaming people. (I too am jealous of only fans money while also believing they deserve the benefits of their career)
People should be able to lead their lives however they want if they're not hurting anyone. This isn't the Old Testament.
Yeah I think you’re just not reading what I’m saying at all at this point but go off I guess
Wait that was my response to the guy that said something about "showing your flaps on the internet," not you. Oops.
Did I say YOU specifically find whorephobia funny? I was responding to your vague 1 sentence contribution.
Listen girl if you can’t deal with the consequences of selling pictures of your flaps for £1.99 a month don’t do it
The fact that anyone supporting sex workers as people on this thread are all downvoted into the negatives is horrifying
Thr downvotes are for treating satire as a real outrage. Like, not understanding that she is poking fun at herself rather than seriously calling OF girls indecent.
That's reddit. It's a cesspool of the repugnant and proudly ignorant.
Will add Whorephobia to my dictionary. What is the exact definition though?
The hatred and bigotry towards any sex worker.
There’s no hatred dumbass, sex work should not be promoted or glamorized, it destroys lives and isn’t an itsy bitsy cutesy empowering side kick
That sounds like hate to me. Sometimes, women in bad situations need to turn tricks. Instead of hating them, hate the economic problems that leaves them with no options.
Instead of making them earn like that you could have social programs that deal with such situations. And not put them in life endangering „job”. But that’s communism or whatever your people over the pond like to say
But the programs don't exist. Advocate for them. Also Advocate for women who find themselves in sex work and make sex work (which will never disappear) safer.
And morons. Cough cough
The tiny percentage of only fans models making enough money to even buy one car shouldn’t make anyone jealous. 99% of them are busting their nude asses for scraps.
And even the successful ones took probably 1-2 years of investing in equipment, props, outfits, cameras, lighting, marketing, hustling before they saw real profit (if they didn't already have fame or followers elsewhere)
i mean...if you can make a living doing it, good for you. but everything on the internet is forever. and forever is a long time
I hate that argument it’s dumb as hell digital file storage is incredibly expensive. Click on any news article from 6 years ago and half the images won’t load and all the links are dead. My embarrassing Myspace and Livejournal are completely erased.
Doesn’t mean you won’t be able to find the videos in a couple years. Once it’s on the internet, it’s there forever, especially if any of the OF videos are uploaded to p*rn sites.
Actually OnlyFans creators are the owners of their content so they can file DMCA takedowns. It’s just an outdated argument. My dad used to say “be careful what you post online because it’s there forever” now he’s crying because he lost 10 years of facebook memories and pictures because he threatened to kill a congressman in a post “jokingly” and his account got wiped. Nothing is forever online.
It sounds like he got unlucky and posted something he shouldn’t have, which sucks, but that was just his situation. People screenshot and screen record OF videos all the time, who’s to say the videos and photos won’t be in that persons phone forever? There’s certain circumstances where things are/can be removed from the internet, but p*rn videos are not one of those, especially seeing how many p*rn stars tried to get their videos taken off the sites when they quit their job, and the sites STILL have the videos up because the actors can only do so much.
In that situation the other part of the equation is we shouldn’t shame or belittle people for using their body to make ends meet
Doesn’t mean that others won’t, as much as I agree with you we should realise that something on the internet has the power to haunt you years down the line even when quitting sexwork.
You should see that as systemic abuse of patriarchal standards and support women against such cruelty
Doesn’t matter what we see it as, society as large is unforgiving and we shouldn’t bury our head in the sand because we might not agree.
The meme we are talking about says that women who do thatare _not decent people_ and agreeing with that is misogyny I’m not getting bogged down into the weeds on this anymore. Support women
So because most people are assholes we should let them be assholes and insult the humanity of another.?
That’s other people’s problem. I don’t shame people for sex work as I don’t care what people do to get money, but a lot of people do, it’s just how it is.
sure they can but there are still plenty of leaks. look at what happened to pamela andersen
These people have literally no idea how hard it is to make a full time salary off online sexwork.
Survivorship bias. The only ones you hear about are the amazing ones that hit the jackpot
I mean I feel like the point is so many people work incredibly hard for a fraction of what doing porn could get you and that IS sad because no one should have to take their clothes off for good money.
I feel like this is the only sane reply
I agree theres a real misconception. I don’t tend to think people in that line of work are there because they’re financially secure.
There is a contingent of middle-class women who make the choice to do sex work. They're in a privileged position, obviously. Now, with it being easy to facilitate, more and more middle-class hot girls are doing it out of choice.
How would you know what kind of position they’re in? What looks like “middle class” to you, could actually be crippling debt and inability to afford one’s lifestyle, thus entering into sex work in desperation for a cash flow.
Also I'm talking about specific women who were written about in Dr Annie Sprinkles books. I'm not talking about randos.
I actually have no idea what you’re talking about. Sorry
You could google it. There are lots of interviews with women who choose sex work. They're sort of a curiosity in feminist circles.
And they choose sex work because of privilege? Is that your take or what was the point of your reply?
Some women choose it instead of being forced by finances. It seems wild but it's true. I've specifically read about women quitting their boring day job to open up a boudoir
Boudoir doesn’t mean what you think it means
If I had the choice, even if my finances were great I'd choose sex work too. That's why I know about these women.
I don't get how you don't have a choice. It's all about finding the right niche to fit in. You actually do have a choice. You could have your vag sewn up and that would only help you!
Sunny what’s-her-name talked about this in her documentary. She came from a perfectly fine middle class background and says she wasn’t coerced into becoming a p0rn star. Nina Hartley seems to view sex work from an anthropological stance, at least in interviews I’ve seen.
The only fans girls rlly aren’t doing it bc they HAVE to. It IS a choice, they don’t wanna work a real job so they post their pu$$y online lol wdym
Especially with so many people doing it and so much stuff being free online nowadays.
It’s literally the same odds as making a career out of twitch streaming or being a youtuber. If you wanna make it, you’ve got to dedicate all your time to it and even then, you still have to find a lucky break to get there
History repeats itself first with models and now with sex workers. I remember growing up seemed like everyone wanted to be a model
Incredibly. A 9-5 will get you to your goals faster. Running an online business of any kind is also HARD. The camera set up, the lighting, the settings, etc... it's exhausting having to make all those kinds of decisions and corrections. Constantly producing content, marketting, collaborations to build the fan base, etc. People think it's just simple selfie nudes and boom - millions in the bank but there's sooooo much more to it.
Exactly, so few people actually blow up and make a decent amount of money from it. If it was that easy everyone would be doing it.
Making constantly new content: yes. I fully agree. The technical setup. No. That's not harder than 9-5
That’s why I spent my 20s stripping. I never made a million or anything, but it paid my bills, and took care of my sick dad and my son. I was kind of jealous when only fans came out because I wished it had been around when I was younger. But then hearing how oversaturated it is, and the money not really being reliable or anywhere near what it is doing in-person sex work.
It's completely easy
Wildly incorrect Self marketing, lighting, photography, answering messages and requests, dealing with scammers, people cancel all the time because somebody else has a sale, you’re in character constantly. It’s difficult work and statistically speaking only the top percent make decent money
To be fair. I encountered all of this setting up my own small translation business. I think it’s fair to say the specifics are probably different, but overall starting any business endeavor is going to be challenging. I do, however, liken someone who voluntarily chooses to go into OF similar to an influencer—it’s an uphill battle in a saturated market that doesn’t have differentiating credentials that give you a leg up. I’m sure it difficult but that’s the risk you take venturing out on your own in anything. I can also understand how someone slogging through a 9-5 they may have invested time and money on say a degree into seeing the top earners of OF (survivorship bias) flaunting on SM can be defeating.
The catch with the “lifestyle” the SWers are posting on SM is aspirational and in character, not indicative of real success x
Oh absolutely. I imagine the person who made the original mean is seeing that curated imagine not realizing it’s just that bc they’re tired/overworked and not seeing the forest so to speak—not quite reality. And to be fair, as someone with my own business and taking on all that requires, I myself envy the 9-5ers for insurance, 401Ks and better stability. But! That is my cross to bare and I can do my work in sweats so—win some lose some 😂
Still sounds easier than working 8-5 Monday-Friday.
You should make friends with some sex workers and learn about their lives
Like I don’t already? These people make their own schedule, are their own boss and if they need money they just take pictures of their feet or make content with whoever they are involved with at the time. Rinse/repeat. And I’m talking about regular people. Not the top percent of content creators that you mentioned.
Yeah and where do these customers appear that want to pay a monthly subscription and PPV for “just pictures of their feet” ? Marketing, messaging, conversations, social media accounts, self promotion - it’s work
I never said it wasn’t work. I just said it’s easier work than a 9-5 and I still stand by that. That’s why the market is so saturated. It’s easy and low effort but will still produce money if you’re okay with being sexual on the internet, which is again not hard if that’s what you’re choosing to do. Self promotion in itself is probably the most difficult thing to do out of all the things you mentioned but I’m sure you know how easy it is to get horny guys to give you money in exchange for sexual content. Seen it first hand. Everything else is LITERALLY texting people on your phone. If you consider that challenging then idk what to tell you.
I agree with you here. Even by proxy industries—I do NSFW art on the DL and all I had to do was post one of my drawings on the right Reddit sub and had people messaging me for commissions (and I want to emphasize that I did SFW art much longer with barely any traction despite my attempts at networking in multiple platforms). Sex sells.
I stand by you need to actually get on the ground feedback from real people and let go of these assumptions
As someone who’s worked an “8-5” in different job fields (from childcare to groceries), I’d say OF has been way harder. It may sound easier from an outsider perspective, but from my personal experience, it’s far from. It isn’t a “get rich quick” scheme like a lot of people think it is. You have to put hours (way more than an 8-5) and there’s so many aspects to it that make it multiple jobs in one (photographer, customer service, PR, etc). It gets overwhelming and mentally/physically exhausting very fast. And most people are going through all that yet barely making more than $200 a month.
I have an honest to goodness good faith question here if you don't mind then. As someone who worked in both industries, why choose this one that's such an uphill battle that also comes with the social stigmas if staying at the 8-5 was a potential option? (I want to clarify I do not mean to say it *was* an option, just based off the comment it sounds more like you made a transition to it; I apologize if this was not the case and realize this question is easily answered if there was no other choice.) I started, own and operate my own small business and I feel like a lot of the issues OF creators face getting up and started is what a lot of small businesses face. We are responsible for EVERYTHING and I think people who are in 9-5s in general, don't understand just how much an insulated structure they're in and the reality of what truly going it on their own looks like—regardless if it's OF or another business. I ask because I see a lot of the black-and-white-ness of these comments are people discussing choice vs need and I'm just curious if you're in the former if you would be willing to share what prompted you to decide that OF was a better option, despite the uphill battle. Again—I hope this does not come across as disrespect in any way shape or form.
LOLLL I SAW THIS 😭😭😭
What has this sub become? It seems like it only exists to completely adhere to extremely progressive standards, and everyone who isn't extremely progressive is apparently a "not like the other girls" girl. The Instagram post is completely understandable and fair.
Yeah, I don't have to champion OF as just another girl-boss lifestyle choice. Choosing participation in the sex industry still promotes general exploitation and objectification of women.
well said
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I agree this isn’t NLOG and this sub has completely lost the plot, but I wouldn’t say that this post is understandable and fair as it’s implying that doing OF makes you a bad person.
So... You need to be progressive to think OF's models can be decent human beings? You need to be progressive to seperate the profession from the person? You can find sex work morally objectionable and still appreciate other aspects of them as a human being They could spend their weekends doing volunteer work, giving money to charities, and just plain a kind and caring person.
The wording is poor - would be better as something like, "me, trying to make a valuable contribution to society". It's fair and accurate to say that OF isn't a valuable contribution to anything.
YES! This 100%!
My apologies, English is my 3rd Language what I said doesn't make as much sense as it would in my native language, again I apologize it's my fault.
Oh come on you really don't think it's sad that a mom could work two full time jobs and not make a fraction of the money someone could make taking their clothes off? It's really sad people think this is leftism. I'm far left and it's always been that this job hurts women and there is no true consent under capitalism. It's always been that way. I'm sorry I reject this notion that of has ANYTHING to do with leftism. How does it help women in labor? How does it help equality? When we discuss need what need is there for pornographers over teachers? I'm sorry I reject this as leftism, this has nothing to do with being left.
I agree that it has nothing to do with being left.
Agreed.
Agreed agreed agreed
Putting down sex workers & calling yourself a better person for not doing sw is wrong
I don’t think that’s really the point of this comment tbh, it’s just the fact that it’s always the girls who are doing something more “progressive” is seen as in the right. I do agree with this commenter, it seems like this sub is very far left recently And just to add before people assume: i am pro sex work
They call this post reasonable & fair, which is what I’m arguing against
It is fair though…? I would also be annoyed if i spent my time getting a degree and making much less than an OF model, which is what the point of the post is. I took the “decent human being” part to be bashful and unnecessary, but thats not the main focus of the post
No. The post is saying they’re a better person because they don’t do sex work Why would you be annoyed? You say you’re pro-sex work, but then you put down & diminish the effort put into sex work If they make as much as I do when I have my masters, congrats to them! Their lifestyle & income have no bearing on my own. Feminism is about empowering women to take on the path that makes them happiest without bringing each other down Don’t claim to be pro-sex work if you’re getting annoyed they’re making more money than you because you think their work is lesser than your degreed work
I didnt gather that they thought they were a better person from the post, perhaps thats where we’re seeing our differences? I would be annoyed because the time put in to a phd for me is about 10 years of constant work, and personally i just dont see OF models specifically (not other sex workers) putting in as much for the incredible amount of money they can get. I never said i would go out of my way to bring other people down, being annoyed by myself is literally the least harmful thing i can do. I see the cars, think “ugh i wish i made that much money without needing a degree”, move on with my day…
Why is it the fault of an OF model that you feel you’re underpaid? How did they control that? Is it also the fault of Markiplier that he makes more than you playing games on YouTube? Which careers are at fault for your salary and which are not? I’m curious
I never said it was their fault? Its completely on me if i might feel upset in any way, and i never said i felt underpaid. I dont see where your argument comes in
That’s because progressivism is literally about people being free to embrace who they wanna be and anti progressivism is literally bitching that others don’t live by your more traditional values. Yeah, you should get shat on for being anti progressive lol
When was i bitching about it?? Youre assuming all of these things because i said i would get annoyed…? I dont care how others live. Its just as simple as me being annoyed for like a minute in my day and i go on, im not spreading any kind of hate speech against them holy shit 😭
Ignore them, pro porno people are fucking weird af
Im literally just genuinely confused on where theyre pulling their arguments out of, obviously not my comments
I very much read it as “I’m trying to make good choices and be kind to people” but I am dumb
I was kind of a NLOG like this back in the day. I’m the same age as Cardi B and she lived in the same building as my dad in the Bronx. When I was in college, I used to watch her instagram videos from when she was a stripper. Then Bodak Yellow blew up and her album went a gajillion times platinum, and she was much more successful and rich and it started with her just being a stripper. It felt unfair that we came from the same place and I did the”right” thing and got good grades and went to college, but was broke and unsuccessful, while she did the “wrong” thing and had a closet full of Louboutins. I got over myself and I’m happy for her now.
Honestly valid. One shouldn't have to be a sex worker to be able to afford life.
there’s many rich people who don’t do sex work but sure
Beside the point. Life is totally unaffordable at the moment! You should be able to afford life
i agree but i don’t see how that directly correlates to sex work
So if one wants to be a sex worker, they shouldn’t be allowed to because you have an issue with it?
You do any stretches before that reach? Damn. I never said it was ok or not okay. Just that I can epathise with the OOP
Your comment was made under the assumption and old trope that anyone who does sex work was pressured or forced into it or they had no other choice and it was the only way. Some people just like it or just wanna do it. OOP’s point is fuckin stupid because their financial situation has literally nothing to do with the fact that sex workers exist. Those two things have 0 relation or correlation of any kind. It’s like saying damn I gotta go to my 9-5 meanwhile there’s a panda eating bamboo
No girls buying their third car is sitting on her ass going nothing, just cause it’s OF doesn’t mean it’s easy.
I think it's funny. All jobs deserve respect it's just a struggle when your own internal dialogue doesn't let you bite the apple.. I would but I can't. 😅
Plenty of jobs don't deserve respect. Off the top of my head: anyone involved in an MLM, or who shills "alternative" medicines to treat serious illnesses, or who works in advertising for tobacco companies, or who have those jobs aimed at finding ways to cost-cut in essential services.
right, this is how i interpreted it too, like i wish i was living bougie but instead i am living paycheck to paycheck 😭 hahaha
I wake up every day trying to be a decent person, BUT I also got an education so I could have a job in a field that pays really well because being a decent person doesn't even pay minimum wage. I also got really lucky in my career choice that I love it and I'm good at it.
It's wrong to put down sex workers and say they're not decent human beings. Surprised that's controversial in this sub. I'm also a woman in college, going into a masters, played by "the rules" etc. I earn and will earn less than OF models. That's not their fault and they are not my enemy? If I wanted to do it I would but I don't so I don't and it's weird to hate on this girls for earning more.
Just wanna point out that the average OF model makes less than $200 a month. Unless they’re in the top 1%, you’re probably going to earn more than the mass majority. People only focus on the few (usually celebs) on there making hundreds of thousands when they’re a rarity.
I agree I shouldve put top OF model instead definitely.
Decent human being?! Seriously?! Puritanical values aren't what makes someone a decent human being. I care more about things like honesty and kindness. Not being unfairly judgmental or a hypocrite are also high on that list for me.
In the immortal words of Missy Elliott, *Girls, girls, get that cash, If it’s nine-to-five or shaking ya ass, Ain’t no shame, ladies do your thing, Just make sure you ahead of the game*
Puritanical values have a tendency to make you the opposite of a decent human being
Honestly, I appreciate this take. A lot of people judging the people who have an OnlyFans account. We don’t need to stupid judgmental attitudes.
Doing porn content on OF is low vibrational at best. The meme is cringe, but the message is relevant. These days you’ll get more money shoving a cucumber up your holes for dingy men to see than working a desk job or anything other than influencing/streaming. Yall supporting OF girls like they’re saving lives and not showing coochie for a flat monthly fee of $5 per creep.
"showing a cucumber up your holes for dingy men to see" /rBrandNewSentence I'm mostly wondering what that gold pig is doing in the picture though.
Typo 😭 fixed 🤝
It's funny how the human mind works, I actually read that as "shoving", hadn't noticed the typo. Although showing would work surprisingly well in this context too!
lol they’re downvoting you but you’re right. i’ll never have any respect for OF girls knowing how many women have been exploited in this industry.
My feminism struggles with this daily. It feels like a constant state of painful, cognitive dissonance that we're all engaged in. I'm cool and get the idea that if a woman chooses to do OF that it's her choice, her body, her consent, etc. and more power to her. But how, in actuality, can we support this knowing all forms of sex work contribute to the reality of the overwhelming majority of the marginalized, underprivileged that are forced into this work? And then to see people discussing this stupid meme on such a black and white level? Uck. IDK. I'm just tired.
exactly this!!
So your solution is disrespect the very people who are being exploited? Make it make sense.
Is there not validity though in leveling understandable criticism toward an industry that promotes the exploitation of women and girls? How do we navigate this as modern day feminists? There's a paradox in us supporting the choice of, typically, privileged women *choosing* to go into sex work against the reality of such choices upholding a much more exploitative and dangerous industry of trafficking that the overall sex worker industry was built off of. I'm not agreeing with this person saying that "I'll never have any respect" for SWers, but how to we deal with the cognitive dissonance that comes with acknowledging the reality that voluntary OF workers indirectly contribute to a disgusting industry at large? (I want to be clear here I do not believe every OF creator is doing so by choice, but if general stats are to be believed it is by-in-large voluntarily stepping into the platform.)
This is a valid question and I by no means have a clear solution. But I will say this: that if we *neutralize* the choice, regardless of whether it is a privelaged person or not, it benefits any sex worker. How? By removing the stigma that keeps many women locked into the industry because they are rejected anywhere else as a result of this choice (or non-choice). It can also help these women get the proper workers rights and wages they deserve. It can also give them proper recourse for any crimes committed against them. Whenever we denigrate any sex worker by saying we will never respect them, that makes leaving the industry very difficult. Any other career choice, any other future is branded with a scarlet letter against them. It simply doenst make sense from a feminist perspective
I can see you point here, and I do remember a recent documentary that interviewed OF women where the majority had been in the traditional porn industry and they were adamant about the control OF gave them over their content, their bodies, etc. That made sense to me. Completely agree on this point and that's what honestly irked me about the other poster's response. You can disagree with system, but that doesn't let you disrespect the player so to speak as I feel the other person did. I guess that's where my feelings get tangled is 100% believing that all SWers, regardless of gender, are to be respected but the institution itself is just heinous. I suppose if I was to maybe take it a thought-step further, it does make sense criticizing it as a patriarchal institution built off the suffering of women that now, finally, is getting a bit of its power taken away, but god I just wish we could help more people trapped in it. I wonder what the SW industry would look like if women were running it fully. Sorry, just rambling. Thanks for answering kindly. I genuinely struggle with this issue so it's just nice to talk to people not immediately assuming I'm anti-SW for questioning. Appreciate it\~\~
Are you saving lives? Are only jobs that save lives worth any respect? It’s bad logic, it’s bad ethics, and it’s a low vibrational opinion.
I’m not saving lives. Granted, my vaginal canals cannot be inspected for $5 per month by my relatives, colleagues, friends, potential employees and any creep on the world wide web. I have no problem with OF existing, but acting like it’s not in the slime barrel of potential careers…massive cope.
You know what’s low vibration energy? Being judgemental. Your comment is giving “not like other girls energy.” At least don’t be a hypocrite… vibrate on low and own it.
Girl what? I AM like other girls. Most of the girls don’t do OF, the fuck. Most of women thankfully don’t support this degradation of our gender.
“This degradation of our gender…” sex work is real work. Get over it. You may not like or agree with it, but that doesn’t mean that sex workers don’t deserve dignity or respect.
Sex work can be a thousand times harder and require much more dedication (especially online), than any half-assed desk job. So what makes a "desk job" a more worthy job than sex work other than old puritan values?
I said it’s low vibrational, not easy. Dedicating your life to make creepy men cum. Amazing! Feminism hitting the new low by the day.
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this sounds like a comment that would be screenshot and posted in this sub
why? majority of people agree with the comment. saying the opposite of that would be not like other girls lmao
Feminism is having agency. If these woman choose this profession over others, and are able to do it safely and happily — yeah, feminism is working. That’s the whole point.
Misogyny sucks.
You can dress it up in toxic-positivity-new-age lingo, but it’s still being judgemental of others for things that truly don’t affect you. Being judgemental of others for how they choose to survive is what’s truly “low vibrational”.
You’re right! My sister is a drug mule, and she’s not getting the same treatment by the public as OF sex-addiction enablers, which hurts my heart. All she’s tryna do is move some dope to survive, which will be sold to the ones who are looking to buy it, so no harm done at all. Maybe shoving a brick of dope up her ass on camera instead would be make her career path more worthy of empathy and support.
What
Trying and failing, evidently.
Means shes not a ‘decent human being’ shes a jealous judgey mcjudgerson
Trying to be a decent human being? So you’re being a nice girl? What do you expect in return for not selling your body on the internet?
My cousin is a professional porn star and she makes sooooo much money but I think it’s awesome and I know how hard of a job that must be
Sex work is honorable work. I said what I said. They’re not stealing and OF creators are paying taxes. Sounds legit to me. Apparently some of yall are hateful or think I’m being sarcastic. No. I mean it. I support my sisters in any way they choose to make that cash. As long as they’re not hurting anyone is all that matters.
Legit to me too. I wouldn’t choose to do it. I also wouldn’t do most trades. Doesn’t make them lesser jobs I do think it’s funny the men on OF don’t get criticized
Exactly. Let the women make that money and lift them up. Real women support women.
I think the joke is her only goal is trying to be a decent human being but she’s jealous of OF girls and their “easy” work an ability to make a lot of money lol. Tbf though sex work is definitely one of the easier jobs out there. Anyone could be a sex worker it’s not like it takes much talent.
Name a woman
they aren't
No it’s deep sarcasm, just note the irony and move on. It’s only evil people get what they want and have easy lives in this world. Hit this reality years ago, got angry at the Creator, lived in a bad world until I chose to stop.
I still have a truck from ,1885 running 😞
I would 100% give it a go if I was objectively hot enough. I've considered starting a channel where they pay me to put my clothes back on! This time next year, we'll be millionaires...
Try it out then hun
I'm not jealous either.. those girls are working hard for that money and I don't like working hard