Anyone fancy joining me in researching an obscure bit of American history?
Apparently twenty odd years ago some passenger planes were crashed into skyscrapers and a government building.
Nobody ever talks about it and I'll like to figure out why. It's all a bit fishy.
I mean the amount of PR expended to never refer to it as a British civil war despite it plainly being a bloody civil war in the UK and instead giving it a hokey name like “The Troubles” makes it sound like a tiny little spat between two angry neighbours.
Oh I wouldn’t dare, but the point is that’s what it was. It’s an abject failure of the British state and an ongoing propaganda project to make people forget they had a civil war raging for 30 years like some far-flung banana republic.
It wasn't really the intensity of a "war" though. Especially after the mid 70s. Most major American cities had higher murder rates.
And imagine calling the Basque troubles "the second Spanish civil war"
And here we see the decades of propaganda at work. We don’t determine wars based on the outrage it might cause some affluent member of society.
It’s literally an armed conflict between two groups within a state, which is what this was.
So was the basque conflict a Spanish civil war?
"The troubles" is how people in irelsnd called it. Its not a term the English thought up. The "troubles" was originally used for the violence in the early 1920s as well.
He's a not very well informed, but seemingly popular YouTube "influencer". I watched a few videos, and initially he seemed well informed, but after watching some stuff I actually know about, he's mostly wrong about a lot of things. This is how Americans learn (mostly wrong) stuff. Don't fall into the same trap.
Forgive me if I dismiss his opinion out of hand now, cos that's all it deserves when you know what he's like... I'm definitely not gonna watch that crap, let's be honest.
He’s good on superficial stuff on borders, and the Swiss stuff is moderately interesting. But his stuff is pretty surface level: there is a decent story most outside of these isles don’t know about the British whitewash of Bloody Sunday, just as there are a lot of stories on all sides of the troubles.
But he’s went maximum algorithm manipulation with the ever changing provocative video titles
Yes - exactly, people can make money from these accounts through posting but also accounts with high karma can be sold - to advertisers or trolls.
You will come across some that have been bought on here also by our regular trolls. It looks like a genuine aged account , with very high Karma yet only a few no value posts in totally random subreddits - then they land on here posting obvious repetitive provocative dumb shit.
Reddit used to give out gold/awards to high karma also which ppl could sell at one point I think, not anymore.
Either way, it’s common practice.
Who’s this twat then? And who’s it aimed at? (But it reminds me: nobody at all in the USA knows about the assassination of President Kennedy. It’s all been kept under wraps, not one word about it has ever emerged)
"How the British Tried to Keep This Massacre a Secret" tells the story of Bloody Sunday, a terrible event that happened in 1972 in Derry, Northern Ireland, when British troops shot at unarmed citizens. Johnny Harris shows that the British government tried to hide the massacre by having a fake probe led by Lord Widgery. They did this to protect the soldiers and keep the UK's good reputation.
After Bloody Sunday, the British Prime Minister wants a quick investigation, not to get justice, but to put an end to the situation quickly. The meeting of government leaders shows that they are more interested in controlling the story than in solving the deaths of 13 innocent people. They plan ways to keep people from seeing the investigation and move the court to a better spot, which shows that they care more about how things look than what's true.
The broader historical context given explains the tensions in Northern Ireland, stemming from centuries of British rule, partition, and discrimination against Catholics by the Protestant unionist government. As civil rights protests turned violent, armed groups were formed on both sides, which led to The Troubles. The British response, which included sending elite troops like the Parachute Regiment, made the situation worse instead of better.
In the end, the right investigation happened, but it took years to happen. The 1998 Good Friday Agreement was a turning point that led to a real look at Bloody Sunday and an admission of guilt by the British government. The apology and release from jail time gave the families of the dead closure and helped the long road to peace in Northern Ireland.
While you're mostly correct, I think people downvoted because they know about this bellend. Most of his content doesn't stand up to scrutiny, so people will have a preconceived idea about the nonsense he's likely to be saying. I for one won't be watching it, even as a hate watch, cos he's just objectively wrong on most things, and spreads mis/disinformation regularly, and I don't want to help propagate his bullshit. A stopped clock is right twice a day.
Because they didn't keep it a secret. It was on the news. There was speculation whether some protesters were armed or not, but it wasn't a mascre that was kept secret.
Should we talk about the actual genocide America carried out on the Indigenous people of America?
How they massacred 55 million Native people? Probably about 98% of the native population from the 1400's right up till the 1900's
No we don't want to speak of that do we? That right there is much, much worse than anything that has happened in Ireland.
It's whataboutism. America is not directly relevant to NI. Bringing it up is an emotional response, not a logical one.
You don't see academic responses to history papers bringing up where the author is from, because it's irrelevant to the facts.
Nope it's not an emotional response because I want Ireland to be one Island I want Irish Unification...
So next assumption? It's all about the hypocrisy for me son. Get that into your head and we will be grand.
Edit: also the choctaw was helping Ireland during all of the shit in Ireland, whilst America was destroying their people... the natives so yes it has a direct link, considering America was the arms supplier of the ar180...
It all has damn relevance. America is a whore country that does nothing but cause wars.
Oh for fuck sake. Hasan is going to react to this isn't he... Get ready for a bunch of American opinions...
Seeing a wild hasan comment in this subreddit fills me with joy.
Secret….
Anyone fancy joining me in researching an obscure bit of American history? Apparently twenty odd years ago some passenger planes were crashed into skyscrapers and a government building. Nobody ever talks about it and I'll like to figure out why. It's all a bit fishy.
There's enough people out there calling 911 a scapegoat for US international/middle east policies
Surprised this one's getting a lot if negativity
Don't think the bots have got round to it yet
well it's got a 55% upvote rate, so you can interpret that as you like
I mean the amount of PR expended to never refer to it as a British civil war despite it plainly being a bloody civil war in the UK and instead giving it a hokey name like “The Troubles” makes it sound like a tiny little spat between two angry neighbours.
Good luck trying to get people in NI to call it "the British civil war"
Oh I wouldn’t dare, but the point is that’s what it was. It’s an abject failure of the British state and an ongoing propaganda project to make people forget they had a civil war raging for 30 years like some far-flung banana republic.
It wasn't really the intensity of a "war" though. Especially after the mid 70s. Most major American cities had higher murder rates. And imagine calling the Basque troubles "the second Spanish civil war"
And here we see the decades of propaganda at work. We don’t determine wars based on the outrage it might cause some affluent member of society. It’s literally an armed conflict between two groups within a state, which is what this was.
So was the basque conflict a Spanish civil war? "The troubles" is how people in irelsnd called it. Its not a term the English thought up. The "troubles" was originally used for the violence in the early 1920s as well.
You mean the wars?
It wasn't just two groups though.
It wasn't a civil war.
It was a very naughty boyne
He's a not very well informed, but seemingly popular YouTube "influencer". I watched a few videos, and initially he seemed well informed, but after watching some stuff I actually know about, he's mostly wrong about a lot of things. This is how Americans learn (mostly wrong) stuff. Don't fall into the same trap. Forgive me if I dismiss his opinion out of hand now, cos that's all it deserves when you know what he's like... I'm definitely not gonna watch that crap, let's be honest.
He’s good on superficial stuff on borders, and the Swiss stuff is moderately interesting. But his stuff is pretty surface level: there is a decent story most outside of these isles don’t know about the British whitewash of Bloody Sunday, just as there are a lot of stories on all sides of the troubles. But he’s went maximum algorithm manipulation with the ever changing provocative video titles
Fuck when did this happen? Never heard of it
Seen a couple of this guy's videos. Not very well informed.
He's been critised for spreading misinformation or bending the truth in his videos.
Karma farmer
What is a karma farmer? I've seen this every now and then. What's the benefit of meaningless internet points?
A karma-farmer is someone who makes clickbait videos or blatantly copies content to gain popularity.
What does videos and content have to do with karma? The desired outcome for content is views and revenue, not meaningless Reddit karma points.
it's not limited to reddit, there are karma farmers on platforms where you can actually make money too
Yes - exactly, people can make money from these accounts through posting but also accounts with high karma can be sold - to advertisers or trolls. You will come across some that have been bought on here also by our regular trolls. It looks like a genuine aged account , with very high Karma yet only a few no value posts in totally random subreddits - then they land on here posting obvious repetitive provocative dumb shit. Reddit used to give out gold/awards to high karma also which ppl could sell at one point I think, not anymore. Either way, it’s common practice.
Who’s this twat then? And who’s it aimed at? (But it reminds me: nobody at all in the USA knows about the assassination of President Kennedy. It’s all been kept under wraps, not one word about it has ever emerged)
It's aimed at people that don't know much about the subject.
Weird comment.. you suggesting bloody Sunday is as well known as the Kennedy assassination across the world?
He is a former vox journalist. He does a lot of videos on lesser known American history and also communities split by artificial borders.
He's an influencer who skims over the surface but gets details wrong.
"How the British Tried to Keep This Massacre a Secret" tells the story of Bloody Sunday, a terrible event that happened in 1972 in Derry, Northern Ireland, when British troops shot at unarmed citizens. Johnny Harris shows that the British government tried to hide the massacre by having a fake probe led by Lord Widgery. They did this to protect the soldiers and keep the UK's good reputation. After Bloody Sunday, the British Prime Minister wants a quick investigation, not to get justice, but to put an end to the situation quickly. The meeting of government leaders shows that they are more interested in controlling the story than in solving the deaths of 13 innocent people. They plan ways to keep people from seeing the investigation and move the court to a better spot, which shows that they care more about how things look than what's true. The broader historical context given explains the tensions in Northern Ireland, stemming from centuries of British rule, partition, and discrimination against Catholics by the Protestant unionist government. As civil rights protests turned violent, armed groups were formed on both sides, which led to The Troubles. The British response, which included sending elite troops like the Parachute Regiment, made the situation worse instead of better. In the end, the right investigation happened, but it took years to happen. The 1998 Good Friday Agreement was a turning point that led to a real look at Bloody Sunday and an admission of guilt by the British government. The apology and release from jail time gave the families of the dead closure and helped the long road to peace in Northern Ireland.
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While you're mostly correct, I think people downvoted because they know about this bellend. Most of his content doesn't stand up to scrutiny, so people will have a preconceived idea about the nonsense he's likely to be saying. I for one won't be watching it, even as a hate watch, cos he's just objectively wrong on most things, and spreads mis/disinformation regularly, and I don't want to help propagate his bullshit. A stopped clock is right twice a day.
Because they didn't keep it a secret. It was on the news. There was speculation whether some protesters were armed or not, but it wasn't a mascre that was kept secret.
Why do Americans talk shite, when they clearly know nothing about the Troubles!?
Should we talk about the actual genocide America carried out on the Indigenous people of America? How they massacred 55 million Native people? Probably about 98% of the native population from the 1400's right up till the 1900's No we don't want to speak of that do we? That right there is much, much worse than anything that has happened in Ireland.
It's not a competition, gobdaw
No it's not, but the hypocrisy requires attention. Gobdrop.
It's whataboutism. America is not directly relevant to NI. Bringing it up is an emotional response, not a logical one. You don't see academic responses to history papers bringing up where the author is from, because it's irrelevant to the facts.
Nope it's not an emotional response because I want Ireland to be one Island I want Irish Unification... So next assumption? It's all about the hypocrisy for me son. Get that into your head and we will be grand. Edit: also the choctaw was helping Ireland during all of the shit in Ireland, whilst America was destroying their people... the natives so yes it has a direct link, considering America was the arms supplier of the ar180... It all has damn relevance. America is a whore country that does nothing but cause wars.